Do you know give way rules changing on 25 March? Give way rule quiz

[swbarnett]

I can find quite a few four way intersections down here that are completely uncontrolled. The new rule does NOT say to treat them as T intersections. (eg intersection of Drybread Rd and Matakanui Rd)
That doesn't surprise me at all.


Well to quote your link back at you:
5. Are we changing to a ‘give way to the left’ rule?
No. The left turn versus right turn rule is not about giving way to the left or right,
but simply establishing who gives way when two vehicles are turning.
Indeed. On further investigation it seems I've been duped in to thinking our law makers actually have a brain. When I drove in Europe it was very clear that there was a "give way to the right" rule. I found this far more sensible than what we had here. If this were applied in NZ in the same way then we would have a "give way to the left" rule. I was obviously too quick to assume that this is what the changes were about. Now the situation is utter madness. Sometimes you give way to the left and sometimes to the right. At least before this change it was consistent.


Can you please give me an example where anyone gives way to the left other than turning out of the T?
It seems that in this fucked-up country there aren't any. There should be as I've desribed above.

[jasonu]

So I was pondering, but has the unmarked 4 way crossroads changed with the 'top of the t' bit as well? It doesn't appear to have been mentioned, but as far as I can tell, give way to your left (instead of the old give way to your right) covers the rest of the changes.

Anyway, my question is, car coming from west turning right to south; car coming round south turning right to east, who gives way?

It seems to me, that who gives way depends on whether there is a road heading north or not, which seems a bit of a shit way to do things...


Also, I did search, but couldn't find an answer.

Wasn't there summat said along the lines of if you could get hit in the drivers door you are supposed to give way? That fits your situation doesn't it?

Are there really uncontrolled 4 way intersections in NZ? There are definitely none around here. All have 2 or more stop signs. The most common is the 4 way stop sign intersection where the rule is 1st stopped 1st go and it works perfectly. Courtousy comes into play when it is not clear who stopped first and judgeing from my last NZ trip that would be the down fall of that rule...

[Scuba_Steve]

Wasn't there summat said along the lines of if you could get hit in the drivers door you are supposed to give way? That fits your situation doesn't it?

Na thats the old rule, it used to be "if your gonna feel the pain giveway" (a good incentive not to fuckup) now with this inferior rule it's "if your gonna feel the pain your've got right-of-way"

[bogan]

That doesn't surprise me at all.

They aren't found in too many places with a lot of traffic, so I guess we just hope courtesy will come in to play, and probably not wise for us to get too hung up on what the rules are!


Indeed. On further investigation it seems I've been duped in to thinking our law makers actually have a brain. When I drove in Europe it was very clear that there was a "give way to the right" rule. I found this far more sensible than what we had here. If this were applied in NZ in the same way then we would have a "give way to the left" rule. I was obviously too quick to assume that this is what the changes were about. Now the situation is utter madness. Sometimes you give way to the left and sometimes to the right. At least before this change it was consistent.


It seems that in this fucked-up country there aren't any. There should be as I've desribed above.

But neither is it give way to the right anymore. It used to be, if their path will intersect with my drivers side, I'll give way. Now left turning goes first, as does top of the T. I think while it isn't too hard to remember, it is less instinctual than it could be. Why the fuck haven't we just changed it to give way to the left?

[MSTRS]

...common sense... Hmmmm....


... seems I've been duped in to thinking our law makers actually have a brain. ......
Correct. Join the club, it's a big one.


... Now the situation is utter madness. Sometimes you give way to the left and sometimes to the right. At least before this change it was consistent.

Correct. Consistent = NO exceptions = easy. And still the muppets who have a licence to kill - oops, I mean drive - couldn't work it out.



... in this fucked-up country ...
He shoots. He scores. A hat trick to you, sir.

[_Shrek_]

well wether we like it or not the law has changed back end of story build a bridge & move on :yawn:

[oneofsix]

well wether we like it or not the law has changed back end of story build a bridge & move on :yawn:

:yes: bridges would work, with on and off ramps of course.
Love the way people are over thinking these two simple changes. Just stick with the examples you have been given by NZTA, in all other situations the old right hand rule or controlled intersection rules apply.

[swbarnett]

Why the fuck haven't we just changed it to give way to the left?
Exactly! This is what I thought they were doing. More fool me.

[Scuba_Steve]

OK people going back to that Campbell live situation with the truck, cars & motorbike (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/147578-Do-you-know-give-way-rules-changing-on-25-March-Give-way-rule-quiz?p=1130289751#post1130289751). I shot an email through to the NZTA asking the legality of it & their response follows



If I understand your scenario correctly the motorcycle in this diagram (attachment) would be the red car and the truck turning right would be the blue car.

In the situation shown (in the attachment) with three cars at a T-intersection, the left-turning (green) car would go first, followed by the right-turning (red) car from the top of the T (the left v right turn rule). Finally the right-turning (blue) car from the bottom of the T could go (uncontrolled T-intersection rule). If there was a line of cars behind the green car all wanting to turn left, then it would be possible for the blue car to go at the same time as the line of left-turning cars. However, whether the blue car could go or not would depend on how many cars are wanting to turn left and how big the gap is between them. It would also be wise for the driver of the blue car to make eye contact with the driver of the red car to be sure that he or she can proceed safely.

Mystery solved! (and the above could be useful if you do try it & a PIG decides he's using you to meet his quota KPI's :msn-wink:)

[StiffyAlways]

Apparently there are no intersections as described:

"6. What happens at crossroads where there are no http://www.nzta.govt.nz/traffic/around-nz/docs/give-way-qas.pdf


Now this is what should've been mailed to every household prior to the change, actual information on what the new rules are, not some silly scratch test asking which car gives way from 25 march.

[Usarka]

Apparently there are no intersections as described:

"6. What happens at crossroads where there are no signs or signals?
Intersections with four or more approaches always have signs on at least two
approaches or are controlled by traffic signals on all approaches. (Note: The only
intersections that can have no signs or signals are T-intersections and in that case
the new T-intersection rule applies.)"


Also, these intersections exist when there are traffic light failures.