Tight twisties - Eeeekkk!

[chanceyy]

Tight twisties always give me the eeekk feeling. I have never felt comfortable or been able to get a nice flow going. I know most riders love the tight twisty type roads, everyone except me !! </SPAN>:sweatdrop

I have always preferred a nice open flowing road and I never really have to "think" about what I am doing, but twisties can make me cringe. Til this weekend !!!!!!!! </SPAN>

It appears the Parapara’s will be on my agenda every 6-8 weeks so it’s something I needed to get sorted. On the Friday nite I made my way to Dogsnbikes/Dodgy B’s place to stay and BB had a wee surgery to install new heated grips. Thanks Baz - Yay!!! Then over breaky on sat morning, I was talking to Baz and saying how I could never get a flow on, his reply was the magic words “you are counter steering though the corners right ??” </SPAN>
Pondered that thought for a min and replied “actually I think I stop riding completely when I hit the twisties” :eek: so my main mission yesterday/today was to counter steer and weight the pegs on EVERY corner! </SPAN>

Well it was amazing!! OMG moment it worked !! :facepalm: Funnily enough by the time I was half way through I even realised I was smiling and actually enjoying the experience. :innocent: I realise now that I had stopped riding the twisites and tensing so was trying to steer the bike around the corner, not weighting the pegs being tentative, and that in turn was making the bike heavy, not smooth and that unsafe feeling.
</SPAN>
So with this new revelation (to me) again my aim today is to counter steer/weight the pegs every corner, and I was going home Vinegar Hill (prefer Halcombe) so woke this morning actually looking forward to getting out & practicing this some more .. Since my text to 86 went unanswered figured a call was necessary to drag his arse outta bed and meet in Taihape </SPAN></SPAN>:laugh: (was far too nice a day to be sleeping) Then after an awesome breaky, it was time to head to Taihape and wait n wait n wait for 86 to show, :yawn: however there was a lovely parade of bikes going past for me to ogle, and of course some reflective time in counter steering and how good it felt. My normal cornering style is to back off the corner and then power through and this felt awesome now I was riding correctly.
</SPAN>
V Hill was great, although only stuffed up one corner being completely in the wrong gear but all good, all the others were awesome and for the first time I actually really enjoyed feeling that zen moments with the bike and having a smooth flow with a light responsive bike I even leaned her over more than I think she has ever been (and I survived the experience)
</SPAN>
So next weekend I think I may need to go find some more tight corners to practice this some more :yes: </SPAN>

[Number One]

Good shit gal! Just keep doing it and it will get betterer!

Xxx

[SMOKEU]

It only gets easier with time.

[mossy1200]

It only gets easier with time.

Nah .I think im getting worsa and im blaming shrinkage.Im hoping viagra may give me some returned potency.

[SMOKEU]

Nah .I think im getting worsa and im blaming shrinkage.Im hoping viagra may give me some returned potency.

A bit of speed will be even better. Viagra isn't that great. DAMHIK.

[MSTRS]

Thought someone had dragged up an old thread...but no.
Proof that any of us can forget particular techniques if we get complacent and/or stop practicing them.
Good on you, S. You (finally:innocent:) twigged to a problem and did something about fixing it.

[dogsnbikes]

</SPAN>
So next weekend I think I may need to go find some more tight corners to practice this some more :yes: </SPAN>

Thats the attitude....Something to aim for this years route to the CD is via the Paras,Fields and the Annie:msn-wink:

[gijoe1313]

Never too old to learn something in this motor-cycling business! Keep up the good work! :niceone: Timely reminder for us to think of how we all do it (ride the twisties that is!) :ride:

[DEATH_INC.]

I hate real tight stuff. If god had intended sprotbikes to do them he'd have given them 1/2 gear. :yes:
Get a trials bike. :Pokey:

[FJRider]

We have twisties down here in the south, you may not be ready for yet. So dont try ... you wont like them. And the roads are really busy ... :innocent:

[MD]

We have twisties down here in the south, you may not be ready for yet. So dont try ... you wont like them. And the roads are really busy ... :innocent:

Exactly. If people don't like tight twisties, stay away from the Sth Island. The road up to the Denniston Incline must be one of the tightest I've come across. Made the old Arthurs Pass zig zags look easy.

[chanceyy]

Sounds perfect to come practice on then lol

[FJRider]

Sounds perfect to come practice on then lol

Check it out ... look in streetview.

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[unstuck]

FJ is right, crap roads and heaps of traffic down here. Best you stay in the north.:whistle::innocent:

[pritch]

Congratulations Chancey.

I love the way South Islanders rave about their own roads, mostly with zero idea of what else is available.

The West Coast Highway is the best ride in the country im(ns)ho. After that though it's a toss up with the Lewis Pass, SH43, the Gentle Annie, the Coro Loop, and others, all damned fine motorcycle roads.

After that there are the shorter fun rides, the Takaka Hill, the Crown Range, the Paraparas, etc etc

Anyone who hasn't ridden all of them really isn't qualified to comment.

And I can't comment of the TeAnau-Milford Road because I haven't been there. Yet.

[FJRider]

Congratulations Chancey.

I love the way South Islanders rave about their own roads, mostly with zero idea of what else is available.

The West Coast Highway is the best ride in the country im(ns)ho. After that though it's a toss up with the Lewis Pass, SH43, the Gentle Annie, the Coro Loop, and others, all damned fine motorcycle roads.

After that there are the shorter fun rides, the Takaka Hill, the Crown Range, the Paraparas, etc etc

Anyone who hasn't ridden all of them really isn't qualified to comment.

And I can't comment of the TeAnau-Milford Road because I haven't been there. Yet.

I think I'm qualified ...

But the north island has it's secret roads ...

Fields track/Whangaehu valley road comes to mind. The Turakina valley road (the seal doesn't go all the way through as I remember) ... Hunterville- Mangahoe/ Mangationa road-Fordell- Whanganui isn't too bad.

You could spend a weekend in that area ... :woohoo:

As long as it's not raining ... and no busses on the road (near impossibility) the Milford is ok.

I guess ... :whistle:

[unstuck]

I love the way South Islanders rave about their own roads, mostly with zero idea of what else is available.

After 16yrs riding in the north island and 15yrs(so far) riding in the south island, I think the south island is the better of the two for riding, on or off road.:yes:

[rossirep]

A bit of speed will be even better. Viagra isn't that great. DAMHIK.

hahaha, .... ;-p

[chanceyy]

Thought someone had dragged up an old thread...but no.
Proof that any of us can forget particular techniques if we get complacent and/or stop practicing them.
Good on you, S. You (finally:innocent:) twigged to a problem and did something about fixing it.

I have known its a problem for quite some time, just took having the right converstation with the right person to pinpoint the problem. Its a well known fact with those i ride with on a regular basis that I hated twisties :lol:


Thats the attitude....Something to aim for this years route to the CD is via the Paras,Fields and the Annie:msn-wink:

ahhhhh NO !! will see you there, aiming on the direct trip so drinking can resume early, ohh but I have a ride in mind on sat (depending on the hangover)


Never too old to learn something in this motor-cycling business! Keep up the good work! :niceone: Timely reminder for us to think of how we all do it (ride the twisties that is!) :ride:

I think thats why I posted Justin, and given the bling it would seem a few others have tight twisty issues as well. Its all a learning curve aye :)


I hate real tight stuff. If god had intended sprotbikes to do them he'd have given them 1/2 gear. :yes:
Get a trials bike. :Pokey:

going to master the 1200 first :)

[chanceyy]

ohh yeah the south island is on the mind .. Once the olds pop off and i do not use all my annual leave seeing them I will be doing a two week jaunt down south and by then tight twisties will be enjoyed rather than avoided :)

[FJRider]

ohh yeah the south island is on the mind .. Once the olds pop off and i do not use all my annual leave seeing them I will be doing a two week jaunt down south and by then tight twisties will be enjoyed rather than avoided :)

Maduck is in Hokitika at the mo' ... by all reports ... quote ... "The Buller Gorge was primo" ...

Even Harleys handle the twisties ... and have fun doing it.

[86GSXR]

Then after an awesome breaky, it was time to head to Taihape and wait n wait n wait for 86 to show, :yawn: however there was a lovely parade of blokes going past for me to ogle, and of course some reflective time in counter steering and how good it felt.

Fixed that for you :innocent: :whistle: :shutup:

Excellent ride babe, Vinegar Hill always gets a smile eh (and thanks for showing me your iPhone) :sunny:

[chanceyy]

Fixed that for you :innocent: :whistle: :shutup:

Excellent ride babe, Vinegar Hill always gets a smile eh (and thanks for showing me your iPhone) :sunny:


now funny you should mention blokes .. a couple of army trucks pulled up and out came all these young boys. but most looked like jail bait and jst did not hold my attention like the bikes did :)

you also forgot to mention the traffic lights on V hill .. but at least I finally managed to scoot past the cars at that point. Welcome on the Iphone front .. they are some fun aye :)

[86GSXR]

Those traffic light have been there for months, I don't know why they just don't fix the washout? Yeah, bikes are always better than army boys eh lol, and the iPhone is driving my laptop :yes:

[chanceyy]

Those traffic light have been there for months, I don't know why they just don't fix the washout? Yeah, bikes are always better than army boys eh lol, and the iPhone is driving my laptop :yes:

Yeah its been over a yr since I have ridden V Hill as Halcombe is my prefered lovely bit of flowing road to ride, may have to do the block again this weekend, purely as practice of course :lol:

ohh yeah bikes far better viewing than boys :killingme: and finally your back online .. trusty Iphone :)

[86GSXR]

I think the Annie may be on the cards :yes: (I wonder if there's an app for keeping cats off benches) :laugh:

[chanceyy]

I think the Annie may be on the cards :yes: (I wonder if there's an app for keeping cats off benches) :laugh:

yeah now this is going to sound so wrong .. must do Annie, at some stage :) and I think your outta luck on the app

[Number One]

Keeping cats off benches is as easy as removing their legs using nailclippers

[86GSXR]

yeah now this is going to sound so wrong .. must do Annie, at some stage :) and I think your outta luck on the app

Let me know when you want to do it! :yes: If you like twisties you will LOVE the Annie, and I'm always up for that loop :woohoo:


Keeping cats off benches is as easy as removing their legs using nailclippers

I wonder how much that would cost? :laugh:

[Number One]

I wonder how much that would cost? :laugh:

Real men do it themselves!

[86GSXR]

I would but Mum won't let me.

[chanceyy]

Real men do it themselves!

there aren't any real men left :innocent::innocent:

Let me know when you want to do it! :yes: If you like twisties you will LOVE the Annie, and I'm always up for that loop :woohoo:



yes but I would never see you til you stopped :lol: was thinking of a quiet cruise to try it out :shutup: .. quiet & cruise are not words your familiar with :bleh:

[BMWST?]

there aren't any real men left :innocent::innocent:


yes but I would never see you til you stopped :lol: was thinking of a quiet cruise to try it out :shutup: .. quiet & cruise are not words your familiar with :bleh:


mind the parapara in the wet....your freshly aquired skillz plus rain plus papa clay dont mix....(as i am sure you know)

[chanceyy]

mind the parapara in the wet....your freshly aquired skillz plus rain plus papa clay dont mix....(as i am sure you know)

not to mention ice etc .. yes very familiar :) and its not so much as newly aquired, more like forgot to use what I already know (and use on the open road)

[sinfull]

there aren't any real men left :innocent::innocent:


yes but I would never see you til you stopped :lol: was thinking of a quiet cruise to try it out :shutup: .. quiet & cruise are not words your familiar with :bleh:
Take some random Harley rider who's never done the Annie with ya ! Puts paid to any idea of it being quiet, but it would be slow (ish)

[MSTRS]

Its a well known fact with those i ride with on a regular basis that I hated twisties :lol:



you will LOVE the Annie, and I'm always up for that loop :woohoo:


A word of advice re twisties...
Go spend a day riding the Akatarawas. You will hate it, but NOTHING will be 'twisty' after that. The Annie? A veritable motorway...

[86GSXR]

there aren't any real men left :innocent::innocent:

Hey, that's not true. For instance, I would NEVER put trim milk in my latte :p


A word of advice re twisties...
Go spend a day riding the Akatarawas. You will hate it, but NOTHING will be 'twisty' after that. The Annie? A veritable motorway...

Akatarawa's, mmmmmmm :drool:

[Trade_nancy]

mind the parapara in the wet....your freshly aquired skillz plus rain plus papa clay dont mix....(as i am sure you know)

Kwite white....I did the Paraparas with the missus on back about 3 weeks back. Through Feilding to Turangi - looping back. Started to drizzle on the desert and I should have listened to the little voice that said "go back..go back...you'll regret this..". But kept on - stopped at Turangi petrol station and asked the missus if she thought it best to abort as it was raining lightly but continuously now. NAHH,..carry on,..I'm good. Ohh, Ok. So,...we did and the rain gradually got worse and worse. By the time we got to Ratihehehehe we were both soaked through - wearing our "waterproof" codura jackets (Tui comment). Stopped in a cafe for 30 mins and stripped off the jackets and wet stuff and shivered over coffees. Carried on and the rain was still constant. It was a bastard through the rest. Visor kept misting and rain wasn't wiping off, urban assault vehicles snapping at our heels wanting to pass....slippery mud coated roads. It was damned awful. Got to Wangaz...in the sunshine and I was cold to the bone. Short 50mins home to a hot shower.
Missus reckons it was a fun ride - gotta do it again on a nice day. I agree. Like the twisties..but Paraparas on a big wet are not for me again.

[p.dath]

Cornering lines are another big thing to work on for a new rider.

[jrandom]

Tight twisties always give me the eeekk feeling.

Jesus fucking Christ, aren't you meant to be some sort of riding instructor?

Or am I getting my middle-aged KB females mixed up here?

[chanceyy]

Jesus fucking Christ, aren't you meant to be some sort of riding instructor?

Or am I getting my middle-aged KB females mixed up here?

Heck no ur mixed up, but wot else is new

[jrandom]

Heck no ur mixed up, but wot else is new

After a while, you all start looking the same...

Anyway, based on your current skill level and the way the others have gone, you'll probably wake up one morning real soon now and decide to be a riding instructor.

[chanceyy]

After a while, you all start looking the same...

Anyway, based on your current skill level and the way the others have gone, you'll probably wake up one morning real soon now and decide to be a riding instructor.

thats whats great about being middle aged :) all looking the same

and ahh no I will leave the motorbike instructing to those who know what they are talking about. And I will continue to instruct on what I do best :) the other horse power :)

[jrandom]

I will continue to instruct on what I do best :) the other horse power :)

Ah, that's right, that'll be what confused me.

[chanceyy]

Ah, that's right, that'll be what confused me.

U are easily confused lol

[jrandom]

U are easily confused lol

Heavy drug use over many years will do that to a man.

[chanceyy]

Heavy drug use over many years will do that to a man.

A man??? Lol oh how funny

[dogsnbikes]

Or am I getting my middle-aged KB females mixed up here?

Totally mixed up coz she's way past middle age

[jrandom]

A man??? Lol oh how funny

:mellow:

Careful with the drug use there ma'am, it can lead to confusion.

[willytheekid]

:blink:...owns 1200cc sport tourer!...and is scared of corners?...:eek5:

....may I politely suggest some rider training (I don't mean to be rude or offensive...Im just a weee bit worried about your current survival rate with said bike and current skill set)

Ride safe :love:

[chanceyy]

:blink:...owns 1200cc sport tourer!...and is scared of corners?...:eek5:

....may I politely suggest some rider training (I don't mean to be rude or offensive...Im just a weee bit worried about your current survival rate with said bike and current skill set)

Ride safe :love:

Not corners just tight twisties and being a cautious rider was not dangerous, but all good aft reminder and not sure why I stopped counter steering in the first place. Will b doing rider courses as always learning, my reason for posting as if I Had forgotten something so fundamental how many others had. From comments n rep it would seem I am not the only one

[willytheekid]

Not corners just tight twisties and being a cautious rider was not dangerous, but all good aft reminder and not sure why I stopped counter steering in the first place. Will b doing rider courses as always learning, my reason for posting as if I Had forgotten something so fundamental how many others had. From comments n rep it would seem I am not the only one

http://spotovi.org/files/dog/8.jpg

thanks for clearing that up...rider training is AWESOME!! you will enjoy it immensely (you may even get addicted lol)...you'll be carving up those tight twisties in no time (safely)

Ride safe chanceyy :love:

[Bassmatt]

http://spotovi.org/files/dog/8.jpg



Made me laugh :yes:

[MSTRS]

... I stopped counter steering in the first place. ..

No. You didn't. Can't go round corners if you don't countersteer. What you may have forgotten was to be more assertive in your push/pull on the bars. Meaning your cornering got lazy, and not able to respond quick enough to tighter and/or close-linked corners.

[pritch]

A word of advice re twisties...
Go spend a day riding the Akatarawas. You will hate it, but NOTHING will be 'twisty' after that. The Annie? A veritable motorway...

Very much horses for courses. I did it about '72 on my Yamaha RT360 & loved it. Did it again in recent years on the VFR and didn't like it.
Didn't like all the rubber necking 4WD drivers either. They were conspicuous by their absence first time around - hadn't been invented yet...

[slofox]

A word of advice re twisties...
Go spend a day riding the Akatarawas. You will hate it, but NOTHING will be 'twisty' after that. The Annie? A veritable motorway...

You care to post us a map of said route MSTRS? For the sake of us pore norvern-bound folks who dunno nuffink. Coz one day soon I might just head down thataway.

[MSTRS]

It runs between Brown Owl (Upper Hutt) and Waikanae. Street view works in there, too. But only so far in from each end...
Maybe a quarter of the road is single lane, with many corners blind.
I always have trouble trying to link Google Maps in here...so just do it yourself.

[FJRider]

You care to post us a map of said route MSTRS? For the sake of us pore norvern-bound folks who dunno nuffink. Coz one day soon I might just head down thataway.

http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=Upper+Hutt,+Wellington&hl=en&ll=-40.983551,175.119969&spn=0.000259,0.109692&sll=-41.244772,172.617188&sspn=32.480002,56.162109&oq=upper&hnear=Upper+Hutt,+Wellington&t=h&z=13&layer=c&cbll=-40.983551,175.119969&panoid=ulkhkcmT3BXywauwTH-fZA&cbp=12,225,,0,0

[chanceyy]

Totally mixed up coz she's way past middle age

:pinch: oi that be enough from you young whippersnapper, I know where you live !!!!


:mellow:

Careful with the drug use there ma'am, it can lead to confusion.

Drug free and no confusion :)


No. You didn't. Can't go round corners if you don't countersteer. What you may have forgotten was to be more assertive in your push/pull on the bars. Meaning your cornering got lazy, and not able to respond quick enough to tighter and/or close-linked corners.

Actually no John I was literally steering the bike around the tight twisties but using counter steering on the open roads hence the cringe creeping in. like I said some thing so fundamental and yet I basically stopped riding "the corners" and it was not until dogs asked the question that I realised it :)


You care to post us a map of said route MSTRS? For the sake of us pore norvern-bound folks who dunno nuffink. Coz one day soon I might just head down thataway.

Sugi took me over the aka's on my bike .. must go for a ride again one day soon I have something else I need to practice .. thats for another day .. lets get the tight twisties sorted first :yes:

[chanceyy]

Take some random Harley rider who's never done the Annie with ya ! Puts paid to any idea of it being quiet, but it would be slow (ish)

unless its with a certain dreadlocked rider aye Sinny :) but yeah a cruise over Annie will be on the plan :)

[slofox]

It runs between Brown Owl (Upper Hutt) and Waikanae. Street view works in there, too. But only so far in from each end...
Maybe a quarter of the road is single lane, with many corners blind.
I always have trouble trying to link Google Maps in here...so just do it yourself.


http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=Upper+Hutt,+Wellington&hl=en&ll=-40.983551,175.119969&spn=0.000259,0.109692&sll=-41.244772,172.617188&sspn=32.480002,56.162109&oq=upper&hnear=Upper+Hutt,+Wellington&t=h&z=13&layer=c&cbll=-40.983551,175.119969&panoid=ulkhkcmT3BXywauwTH-fZA&cbp=12,225,,0,0

Thanks Guys - that's just fine.

When I become unemployed soon, IF I can afford the gas, I might take that in on the way to the souf island...

[MSTRS]

Actually no John I was literally steering the bike around the tight twisties but using counter steering on the open roads

Hmmmm. Got off and pushed when the road got 'tight'? The cutoff between steering and countersteering, speedwise, is somewhere around 15-20kph.
Can't go right (say) without a slight nudge forward on the right side of the bars. Or pull back on the left side. I don't understand all the science...just that it is so.
Can I suggest you find a quiet road, one with a dotted centre line, and practice the 'weaving dance' aka slalom between the lines. Speed only needs to be 40-50kph and keep the throttle constant. Start gentle but assertive with the bar nudge, it doesn't take that much effort, and work your way up to being much more aggressive.
You will soon realise that you have been doing it - even if you think you weren't.
You can increase your speed as well, if it feels safe to do so. but either way, you'll notice that as you push harder on the bars, your linked turns will get sharper, quicker and more precise.

[george formby]

Nice OP!

I've been practicing conscious counter steering, weighting the foot rests etc lately too. Been riding since they invented flint & never really thought about how I get round a corner, always LOVED twisties though. The tighter the better. Don't stop there though, get some advanced training. Stuff I've done lately blew me away!!!

[CHOPPA]

Ever tried dragging your back brake on slow corners? Makes the bike much more stable at slow speeds on tight corners, u turns, roundabouts etc

[slofox]

Ever tried dragging your back brake on slow corners? Makes the bike much more stable at slow speeds on tight corners, u turns, roundabouts etc

I'll do that on faster corners too - especially if I fuck up the entry...:eek5:

[chanceyy]

The cutoff between steering and countersteering, speedwise, is somewhere around 15-20kph.
Can I suggest you find a quiet road, one with a dotted centre line, and practice the 'weaving dance' aka slalom between the lines.

Bingo .. I was slowing down that much, I have done countersteering heaps when on a straight road, jst weaving down the road using weighting the pegs etc .. was my own perception of tight twisties, which has gotten worse rather than use my normal style of riding.

after dogs reminded me last weekend he said I should be comfortable doing around 70 for most of the curves in the para's and he was right ... I did :) and enjoyed the feeling of bike, being light responsive and being in control :)


Nice OP!

I've been practicing conscious counter steering, weighting the foot rests etc lately too. Been riding since they invented flint & never really thought about how I get round a corner, always LOVED twisties though. The tighter the better. Don't stop there though, get some advanced training. Stuff I've done lately blew me away!!!

I will do some training as well as practice, its all a learning curve :) and thanks


Ever tried dragging your back brake on slow corners? Makes the bike much more stable at slow speeds on tight corners, u turns, roundabouts etc

good tip Choppa I have done that on roundabouts, not tight twisties but will practice that as well, I prefer to trail the rear brake too :) thanks for that reminder :)

[MSTRS]

Bingo .. I was slowing down that much, I have done countersteering heaps when on a straight road, jst weaving down the road using weighting the pegs etc .. was my own perception of tight twisties, which has gotten worse rather than use my normal style of riding.



Cool. As long as you remember peg-weighting is by way of assistance, not the prime steerage technique, which believe it or not is the handlebars. :innocent: Followed by body position and peg weighting and trail braking and ... :sunny:

[chanceyy]

Cool. As long as you remember peg-weighting is by way of assistance, not the prime steerage technique, which believe it or not is the handlebars. :innocent: Followed by body position and peg weighting and trail braking and ... :sunny:

lol yuppers :)