Another fee in our rego

[dangerous]

and I blame you lot that dont wear proper riding gear and or ride like wankers.

Ok so my rego just arived and this might be old news and Im just a bit slow... attached is a brocher about MOTO NZ Motorcyclists Own The Options... yip $30 from our rego going to "finding ways to reduce our on road injury toll.

Ill tell ya how and I wont sting ya 30 bucks... reduced cc/hp for learners, better riding gear to be worn and compulsary, better and cheaper AND compulsary training, less shit house riding, straighten and flaten out NZ, proabition, remove all cages and we ride in one direction only (fuck knows what we do when we run out a road... OR, we could all just stay at home.

Shit sakes are they going to do the same with car regos, boats, trucks... why are we to blame? why pick on bikes?
and ya know what... no one will listen, but alas it is a good idea just that those of us that have never claimed on ACC shouldent have to pay for you lot that fuck up. :confused:

[Geeen]

......and we ride in one direction only (fuck knows what we do when we run out a road...



Hmmm, Go to Wellington via Auckland.... GOOD PLAN :woohoo: Talk about taking the long way home.

[FJRider]

You're right ... it is old news ...

[Berries]

and I blame you lot that dont wear proper riding gear and or ride like wankers.


just that those of us that have never claimed on ACC shouldent have to pay for you lot that fuck up. :confused:
The two quotes contradict each other. It is the people who fuck up who cost ACC, how they ride and what they wear has nothing to do with it, unless they fuck up.

Personally I blame those people who ride so irregularly that they have completely missed the rego increase that happened more than two years ago.

[ellipsis]

...everythings old news..you coming down to Methven D...

[dangerous]

The two quotes contradict each other. It is the people who fuck up who cost ACC, how they ride and what they wear has nothing to do with it, unless they fuck up.

Personally I blame those people who ride so irregularly that they have completely missed the rego increase that happened more than two years ago.

Of course you do relise I was taking the piss big time aye... but while ya there, ya wrong incorect dress and how they ride has ALL to do with it if someone else fucks up ie a cager.

Hope ya not refering to me as a irregular rider, cos I put most to shame... and I was well awear of the price hike in ACC to our regos back then... just knew nout about MOTO NZ and there $30 fee.


...everythings old news..you coming down to Methven D...na N, lifes a mission at the mo, all hell let loose, hence me not knowing about MOTO NZ and noticing time flying clean on past.

[Kickaha]

but while ya there, ya wrong incorect dress and how they ride has ALL to do with it if someone else fucks up ie a cager.

Pretty big "if" because it has nothing to do with it unless someone fucks up and it's just as likely to be the motorcyclist as the car driver

Everyone always wanks on about the "correct gear" but it seems no one can provide any evidence to support the theory that these people cost us more

[ellipsis]

lifes a mission flying clean on past.


...gotcha...call in for a coffee if ya wizzin thru ever...

[Skiwi]

Everyone always wanks on about the "correct gear" but it seems no one can provide any evidence to support the theory that these people cost us more

Do you REALLY need a study to convince you that wearing a Tshirt and jandles is going to fuck you up more than if you wearing sensible clothing as you slide down the road after an off?

[Katman]

Do you REALLY need a study to convince you that wearing a Tshirt and jandles is going to fuck you up more than if you wearing sensible clothing as you slide down the road after an off?

Just an idea - you could always avoid the off.

[Skiwi]

Just an idea - you could always avoid the off.

:lol: I ride dirt, if you don't come off now and then you're just not pushing hard enough ;)

[Katman]

:lol: I ride dirt, if you don't come off now and then you're not pushing hard enough ;)

The dirt ain't the road.

[Gremlin]

The dirt ain't the road.
NZ has plenty of very nice dirt roads thank you very much... :weird:

[dangerous]

Everyone always wanks on about the "correct gear" but it seems no one can provide any evidence to support the theory that these people cost us moremaybe ya not quite with me here... so if a rider in shorts and T crashes at the same speed as a rider in leather OR cordura you dont think one will require more ACC treatment than the other?


Just an idea - you could always avoid the off.
a piss take KM? you could avoid a last minute U turner or a stop sign runner at 100kph?




Its interesting that the graph in the blurb shows the highest claim in ACC to be intersection, but only by 6% over the next at 31% being "loss of control, running off road" that tells me a lot of riders ride outside there capabilitys.

[sinfull]

:lol: I ride dirt, if you don't come off now and then you're just not pushing hard enough ;)
Soooooo You don't pay licencing fees, but you come off now and then ! Any serious offs ?


Ahhhh your one of THEM !!!!

[Skiwi]

Soooooo You don't pay licencing fees, but you come off now and then ! Any serious offs ?

Ahhhh your one of THEM !!!!

One road registered, one not, no majors (touch wood):woohoo:

[Kickaha]

Do you REALLY need a study to convince you that wearing a Tshirt and jandles is going to fuck you up more than if you wearing sensible clothing as you slide down the road after an off?


maybe ya not quite with me here... so if a rider in shorts and T crashes at the same speed as a rider in leather OR cordura you dont think one will require more ACC treatment than the other?


Perhaps you two need to update your comprehension skills

Prove to me these people are costing us more, it's obvious if they do crash they will cost more, but they actually have to crash before that happens

As Berries said
It is the people who fuck up who cost ACC, how they ride and what they wear has nothing to do with it, unless they fuck up.

[mossy1200]

Perhaps you two need to update your comprehension skills

Prove to me these people are costing us more, it's obvious if they do crash they will cost more, but they actually have to crash before that happens

As Berries said


I think its obvious that some people do crash and also that gear reduces costs when they do.
If no body crashed acc wouldnt know we existed.
You can tell people to not crash all day but they still will.

[Skiwi]

Perhaps you two need to update your comprehension skills

Prove to me these people are costing us more, it's obvious if they do crash they will cost more, but they actually have to crash before that happens

As Berries said

:facepalm: Please tell me you're taking the piss?
Otherwise perhaps you need to update your common sense skills, people crash, the ones wearing less protection at the time cost more to put back together.

[mossy1200]

Ski divers wouldnt need reserve chutes if Katman packed their main chute.

People wouldnt need lifejackets if boats never sunk or people never fell overboard.

Safety gear wont effect level of injury if motorcycles never crashed.

you wouldnt need suntan lotion to not get burnt if you wernt allowed outside.


Im not sure why we are even talking about it anymore

[Fast Eddie]

:facepalm: Please tell me you're taking the piss?
Otherwise perhaps you need to update your common sense skills, people crash, the ones wearing less protection at the time cost more to put back together.

lol.. but only IF they crash..

its pretty easy to not crash, just don't ride like a muppet and give way to cars etc.. been doin it for a while..

staying on the sidecar is proving a little more difficult

[G4L4XY]

I never noticed the extra fee :(

Oh well who gives a shit, it's one tank of gas, if you're going to winge and moan like a b***h don't ride a bike?

[Fast Eddie]

I never noticed the extra fee :(

Oh well who gives a shit, it's one tank of gas, if you're going to winge and moan like a b***h don't ride a bike?

fuckn aye..

[pritch]

I never noticed the extra fee :(


There isn't an extra fee as such - other than the late Nick's massive ACC levy hike.
The $30 is part of that. There is a long running thread concerning the "achievements" of Mr Morgan and his band of merry men.

[nodrog]

Sweet, im saving an extra $30 a year.

[actungbaby]

well with handle like yours and your title i dont think your got postive attitude to life or your felow bikers

But least your got ego to match hehe joking



Of course you do relise I was taking the piss big time aye... but while ya there, ya wrong incorect dress and how they ride has ALL to do with it if someone else fucks up ie a cager.

Hope ya not refering to me as a irregular rider, cos I put most to shame... and I was well awear of the price hike in ACC to our regos back then... just knew nout about MOTO NZ and there $30 fee.

na N, lifes a mission at the mo, all hell let loose, hence me not knowing about MOTO NZ and noticing time flying clean on past.

[Kickaha]

people crash, the ones wearing less protection at the time cost more to put back together.

How about you provide me with the ACC figures for people not wearing gear crashing and what it costs to put them back together?

[Skiwi]

How about you provide me with the ACC figures for people not wearing gear crashing and what it costs to put them back together?

LOL, How about you get off your lazy ass and look it up yourself? if you need someone to spoon feed you that sort of information in order to prove to you what is common sense, you are waaay beyond any help i can offer you:no:

[FJRider]

well with handle like yours and your title i dont think your got postive attitude to life or your felow bikers

But least your got ego to match hehe joking

You are a fine one to talk ... <_<

[FJRider]

I never noticed the extra fee :(

Oh well who gives a shit, it's one tank of gas, if you're going to winge and moan like a b***h don't ride a bike?

But is it an extra fee ... on top of the existing fee. OR ... is it included (taken from) in the existing fee ... ??? :innocent:

I dont think the total fee has changed any ...

[Virago]

LOL, How about you get off your lazy ass and look it up yourself? if you need someone to spoon feed you that sort of information in order to prove to you what is common sense, you are waaay beyond any help i can offer you:no:

You've simply been asked to back up your claim. If you're unwilling (or unable) to do so, your dubious opinion can be cheerfully ignored.

[FJRider]

You've simply been asked to back up your claim. If you're unwilling (or unable) to do so, your dubious opinion can be cheerfully ignored.

I think a small amount of sarcasim was in Kick's post too ... :shutup:

[Kickaha]

I think a small amount of sarcasim was in Kick's post too ... :shutup:

Fuck off there was. :finger:

I'm sure that if someone not wearing decent gear goes down the road their medical costs "may" be more, but not wearing decent gear doesn't mean they'll crash and burn and cost a gazillion dollars like some people seem to think

I also doubt there are any statistics for accidents of "gear wearers" vs "non gear wearers" and associated costs

[Virago]

I think a small amount of sarcasim was in Kick's post too ... :shutup:

Kick doesn't have a sarcastic bone in his body...:confused:

[FJRider]

I'm sure that if someone not wearing decent gear goes down the road their medical costs "may" be more, but not wearing decent gear doesn't mean they'll crash and burn and cost a gazillion dollars like some people seem to think

I also doubt there are any statistics for accidents of "gear wearers" vs "non gear wearers" and associated costs

I stand corrected ... :laugh:

And I HAVE seen jandle/shorts wearing riders prang, and walk away unscathed ... others in all the gear get bent and broken bits .... (them and the bike)

No justice in it at all ...

[Berries]

LOL, How about you get off your lazy ass and look it up yourself? if you need someone to spoon feed you that sort of information in order to prove to you what is common sense, you are waaay beyond any help i can offer you:no:
We all know it is common sense that if two people fall off the one with no clothes on is likely to suffer more injuries than someone dressed from head to toe in CE approved riding gear, generally speaking for the sake of argument. But the fact that someone is riding with no clothes on does not make them any more likely to crash in the first place. That is the issue, all these people are banging on about how ACC is going up due to the number of people crashing who aren't wearing all the approved gear yet where is the evidence? I have yet to see a schoolgirl on a scooter sliding down the road, but I have seen plenty of people in one piece leathers getting stretchered out of ditches.

[Skiwi]

Just to stir the pot along, and defeat my own argument.....<_<
I can think of some cases where riding without approved gear would probably cost ACC less.
Riding without a helmet will cost ACC less in an accident as its more likely to be fatal, hence requiring less input from ACC.

[mossy1200]

Chuck Norris is so tuff he wears leathers to protect the road from Norris Rash

[FJRider]

You would think people would ride more carefully if they didn't have good gear ..... wouldn't you ... ???

[mossy1200]

You would think people would ride more carefully if they didn't have good gear ..... wouldn't you ... ???

Not to sure.I used to ride with jeans and didnt think alot about safety in my teens and 20s but i find myself feeling a bit exposed to danger without full leathers now.I think i ride a little better when confidence is up.Maybe getting older changes your view on whats a good idea.Each person will vary in how they ride.Some may ride carefully if they feel vunerable,some wont ride carefully no mater what,some dont think about it and some wont leave town unless they have all the gears on.Nobody can say a 40metre slide on the road without gear on is going to be better than a good set of kit.
The other thing is nice gear looks the part if your riding a good size bike(in my opinion).
Kids riding scooters in school uniform doesnt look safe. Girls riding to work in heels and skirts looks good(sometimes anyway)but also doesnt look that safe to me.
Maybe im stuck with the view that if your prepaired to take shortcuts with gear then what other shortcuts do you take.Im not sure how many of the population think about it the same way.

[kiwi cowboy]

Fuck off there was. :finger:

I'm sure that if someone not wearing decent gear goes down the road their medical costs "may" be more, but not wearing decent gear doesn't mean they'll crash and burn and cost a gazillion dollars like some people seem to think

I also doubt there are any statistics for accidents of "gear wearers" vs "non gear wearers" and associated costs

Not to be a smartarse:shit: but why do you think you have to wear the gear when your on the track???????????????????.:facepalm:

[mossy1200]

Not to be a smartarse:shit: but why do you think you have to wear the gear when your on the track???????????????????.:facepalm:

Human flesh and blood is just as slippery and hard to clean up as a sidecar oil slick?

[Kickaha]

Not to be a smartarse:shit: but why do you think you have to wear the gear when your on the track???????????????????.:facepalm:

Another one from central Otago who doesn't seem to get what is being said, must all that interbreeding and banjo playing turning your brains to mush

At no point have I said good gear doesn't protect you, although it didn't stop me from breaking my wrist, ankle and arm in separate incidents

[FJRider]

Human flesh and blood is just a slippery and hard to clean up as a sidecar oil slick?

The councils dont get so uppitty when you are just flushing blood down the storm drains ... if they see it, they just think it's dye. :innocent:

[Berries]

Just to stir the pot along, and defeat my own argument.....<_<
I can think of some cases where riding without approved gear would probably cost ACC less.
If you crash remember.


Riding without a helmet will cost ACC less in an accident as its more likely to be fatal, hence requiring less input from ACC.
I think you will find that helmets are a legal requirement.


Nobody can say a 40metre slide on the road without gear on is going to be better than a good set of kit.
Nobody would, but that's not the point I try to get across.

[kiwi cowboy]

Another one from central Otago who doesn't seem to get what is being said, must all that interbreeding and banjo playing turning your brains to mush

At no point have I said good gear doesn't protect you, although it didn't stop me from breaking my wrist, ankle and arm in separate incidents

Just for the record im not a inbred banjoe playing mushbrain :brick:i was bred in canterburybut im not one eyed ether :weird:.

As for the breaks how much worse would it have been without the gear on???.

Its loke saying i dont need a seatbelt cos i dont intend to crash.

[Skiwi]

But the fact that someone is riding with no clothes on does not make them any more likely to crash in the first place. That is the issue, all these people are banging on about how ACC is going up due to the number of people crashing who aren't wearing all the approved gear yet where is the evidence?

Hmm, ok, so if we are talking soley about BEFORE a crash that's a little harder to explain, and I have no evidence, but in the interests of stirring few brain cells around I'll have a crack.;)

Let's take our jandle and Tshirt wearing rider, he is more exposed to infuences that may cause an accident. Examples would be:

1 Impacts from various fauna and flora are amplified increasing the distraction factor.
2 Jandles have a lower slip coefficient to a riders foot and therefore less control when weight on the pegs is required.
3 In cold weather he will have lower core body temperature, leading to increased risk of hypothermia which in turn dulls the wits
4. He is less visible than a rider in hi vis

I'm sure there's more, but cut me some slack it's early the morning after the night before :drinkup:

[Skiwi]

Just for the record im not a inbred banjoe playing mushbrain :brick:i was bred in canterburybut im not one eyed ether :weird:.
.

Damn, I thought we had closed our borders to you Northerners?, can't have our gene pool getting diluted:innocent:

[kiwi cowboy]

Damn, I thought we had closed our borders to you Northerners?, can't have our gene pool getting diluted:innocent:

Na i sneeked through wearing full riding gear WITH a full face helmit WITH a very dark tinted visor so you couldnt see my eye patch:laugh: sneeky basterd A:woohoo:

[Usarka]

Its loke saying i dont need a seatbelt cos i dont intend to crash.

Seatbelts cause a lot of serious internal injuries, and probably increase the amount of ACC payouts.

I spent 3 weeks in hospital and about 12 weeks on ACC thanks to a seatbelt injury.

[dangerous]

Seatbelts cause a lot of serious internal injuries, and probably increase the amount of ACC payouts.

I spent 3 weeks in hospital and about 12 weeks on ACC thanks to a seatbelt injury.

half of you lot are just being delitrat dicks... you mate with out ya belt would proberly have ya brains mashed in to the dash... get relilistic here people.



I stand corrected ... :laugh:

And I HAVE seen jandle/shorts wearing riders prang, and walk away unscathed ... And I have seen bikini wearing scooter rider loose all skin and tits to the degree of little blood just white meat, her repair bill was nothing to the mental bill, she never recovered.
IMO people wearing so little should not be intitled to acc what I do my best yet still have to pay for them.




But is it an extra fee ... on top of the existing fee. OR ... is it included (taken from) in the existing fee ... ??? :innocent:

I dont think the total fee has changed any ...
extra, cant be more clear than my bill, attached, what other rego has two acc levies?

[mossy1200]

I like the way you have to pay tax on a bill to a government department.GST on my tax please."Sure Mossy.For you we have a special running.15% prompt payment increase"

[Berries]

IMO people wearing so little should not be intitled to acc what I do my best yet still have to pay for them.
What pisses me off is I do my best not to crash yet I still have pay for all the people who do so while wearing all the gear.


The way I see it is this.
The people who only wear some of the gear either don’t understand the consequences or have gone through their own risk assessment and decided that what they are wearing is suitable for the trip they are on.

The people who wear all the gear have also gone through their own risk assessment and decided that what they are wearing is suitable for the trip they are doing. Fair enough. I do wonder however how many of these ATGATT preachers who want to impose their standards on others actually really do a full risk assessment. You could say that ATGATT is a fatalistic approach in that the risk of a crash has been overestimated, for a whole variety of reasons.

I have said it before but will say it again. The obvious final bit of gear if you are getting dressed up with the high probability of crashing is to put a cage around you. Now you don’t do you? You have assessed the risk of riding a bike and are happy to accept it. So has everyone else on two wheels. Can’t you just let them ride?

[mossy1200]

I think what you will find is people are more against the choices that some make.Not so much the jeans and jackets and shoes in town.But the lack of gear on a higher speed trip out of town.Its not that we dont trust your approach to making a wise choice but the approach of the few that clearly cant make a wise choice.
Jandals in my opinion is a good choice of footwear for the beach or a walk but not so great for a ride on your bike.
The issue is that if some cant make good choices we might all be told what to wear.If we were ALL a bit wiser we wouldnt stand out.(by all I mean the few that cant think about what they are doing)
Everyone agrees not falling off is the first step.But nobody goes out with the intention of crashing.Shit happens.It may be inexperience,bad luck,road conditions,bird or stock or cage that causes it but it can happen to anyone at any time.I dont want to be told what to wear or how to ride but some people could be better off if they are told.

Is it possible that people that people that dont make a wise choice before they ride also dont make wise choices while they ride in some cases?

[Fast Eddie]

yawn..

what about freedom. what about liberty.

scrap ACC, scrap public health - you pay for your own health insurance, u fuck up, u pay.. if u cant pay.. ur fucked..

doesnt cost the govt or anyone else anything.. bingo.

muppets

p.s. nothing better than on a near 30 degree day to get on the bike in ya jandals and shorts with ya mrs in her skimpy bikini on the back and go for a gentle idle down to the beach.. you take that away from me and I'll kill ya - I'll KILL YA !

[Usarka]

half of you lot are just being delitrat dicks... you mate with out ya belt would proberly have ya brains mashed in to the dash... get relilistic here people.


Exactly, it would have cost ACC shitloads less.

[zeocen]

extra, cant be more clear than my bill, attached, what other rego has two acc levies?

Got mine in the mail yesterday and also noticed this :I
Would there be harm in a "no claim to ACC within x months/years" bonus? Although I guess you'd have to get into at-fault ACC claims and all that... would be nice though, I'd have a huge bonus taken off!

[FJRider]

extra, cant be more clear than my bill, attached, what other rego has two acc levies?

Considering that hasn't changed for over a YEAR ...

Have you only just noticed ... ???

[Fast Eddie]

hehe..

http://bikerpunks.com/mediaviewer/3613/cctv-two-riders-crash-after-looping-a-wheelie.html

[Skiwi]

yawn..

what about freedom. what about liberty.

scrap ACC, scrap public health - you pay for your own health insurance, u fuck up, u pay.. if u cant pay.. ur fucked..

doesnt cost the govt or anyone else anything.. bingo.

!

Great idea,since it seems to working so well in the good ole USA...........

[Fast Eddie]

I just rung USA, all seems well

[GrayWolf]

yawn..

what about freedom. what about liberty.
muppets

p.s. nothing better than on a near 30 degree day to get on the bike in ya jandals and shorts with ya mrs in her skimpy bikini on the back and go for a gentle idle down to the beach.. you take that away from me and I'll kill ya - I'll KILL YA !

Yup UNTILL some person makes an error, you or another driver, or even a mechanical failure on the bike... and mrs skimpy bikini slides down the road at a 'gentle idle' and receives 'gentle idle' road rash,,,, and please dont say it wont be much, I used to do 'ambulance' and also over the years have seen '50kph gentle idle road rash' IF that piece of road has just been re surfaced, especially if its a spray and stick chips to the surface' she aint gonna be mrs pretty tits n ass anymore!!!

[98tls]

:lol: I ride dirt, if you don't come off now and then you're just not pushing hard enough ;)

:laugh:Fuck i can remember my old man telling me that when i was 9 years old though he was talking about road bikes,at 9 years old i was stupid enough to believe it,38 bikes and 40 years later its somewhat laughable to see it posted.

[dangerous]

hey, screw the acc levie... what sad arse changed my thread title, farking mods, be polite to be advised :motu:




BTW, my twin cab diesel over 2.500cc 4x4 costs $250 more than my bike, now that Id like to bitch about... standard acc levie for a petrol 2x4, add 200 cos its a diesel, add 200 cos its over 2.3 add 200 cos its a 4x4.. how the fuck do they figer that out... I KNOW... cos theres more of em on NZ roads so hike the price up and man what a killing on profit.

[Katman]

All those who think "ATGATT or you's gunna die" would shit baby monkeys if they saw me road testing bikes (which I do many, many times a day). My helmet is my sole item of safety clothing (unless you count my steel cap boots). Otherwise, jeans, tee-shirt and bare hands suits me fine.

You wanna know what my secret is?

I try really hard not to crash. Crashing customer's bikes is a bad look. More people should realise that crashing their own bikes is also a bad look.

Don't get me wrong - if I'm going on a longer ride I'll wear more gear. More for keeping warm than anything else.

Too many people see ATGATT as a motorcycling panacea.

It's not.

What's between your ears will serve you better.

[Fast Eddie]

Yup UNTILL some person makes an error, you or another driver, or even a mechanical failure on the bike... and mrs skimpy bikini slides down the road at a 'gentle idle' and receives 'gentle idle' road rash,,,, and please dont say it wont be much, I used to do 'ambulance' and also over the years have seen '50kph gentle idle road rash' IF that piece of road has just been re surfaced, especially if its a spray and stick chips to the surface' she aint gonna be mrs pretty tits n ass anymore!!!

still yawning...

here for a good time not a long time

lmao.

havent you heard? chicks dig scars

[FJRider]

Damn, I thought we had closed our borders to you Northerners?, can't have our gene pool getting diluted:innocent:

Don't worry about him ... he lives in one of the back valleys. The place that has it's only importance to motorcyclists ... at Queens Birthday weekend. (At an event featuring monkey's ... appropriately enough )

[GrayWolf]

All those who think "ATGATT or you's gunna die" would shit baby monkeys if they saw me road testing bikes (which I do many, many times a day). My helmet is my sole item of safety clothing (unless you count my steel cap boots). Otherwise, jeans, tee-shirt and bare hands suits me fine.

You wanna know what my secret is?

I try really hard not to crash. Crashing customer's bikes is a bad look. More people should realise that crashing their own bikes is also a bad look.

Don't get me wrong - if I'm going on a longer ride I'll wear more gear. More for keeping warm than anything else.

Too many people see ATGATT as a motorcycling panacea.

It's not.

What's between your ears will serve you better.

Thank you Katman,
all your sanctimonious bullshit about self reliance and the need to look at the individuals behavior, skills, actions and then lay blame on them fair and square?
Well Captain Sensible,,, you just shot your own foot with that post...... the great katman admits to being human like every one else!! :blank:

[FJRider]

Thank you Katman,
all your sanctimonious bullshit about self reliance and the need to look at the individuals behavior, skills, actions and then lay blame on them fair and square?
Well Captain Sensible,,, you just shot your own foot with that post...... the great katman admits to being human like every one else!! :blank:

The one varient in his post you quoted ... is the admission that the responsibility in any incident riding a bike (his own or a customers) is (as the rider) ... his own. All care taken and all responsibility ... for his actions .. and for items in HIS care.

Oh wait ... isn't that what he always says ... ???

[Katman]

the great katman admits to being human like every one else!!

I've never claimed to be anything other than human.

Maybe I just try a bit harder than most.

[Skiwi]

Don't worry about him ... he lives in one of the back valleys. The place that has it's only importance to motorcyclists ... at Queens Birthday weekend. (At an event featuring monkey's ... appropriately enough )

Ida like to know where that is, but better not post here in case some ol teary hua take offense. ;)

[Berries]

I didn't even know they had power out there, let alone computers.

[FJRider]

I didn't even know they had power out there, let alone computers.

Some farms have both ..

[rastuscat]

Too many people see ATGATT as a motorcycling panacea.

It's not.

It's part of the answer though. Like an insurance policy.

You don't know when you're gonna need it, but ask anyone in Christchurch if house insurance is a good idea...............

There is no one big answer to the motorcycle safety issue, there are several answers, and we can't even agree on those. ATGATT is just a piece of the puzzle.

Donuts, baby :Punk:

[Skiwi]

Some farms have both ..

Shhh! Next thing you'll be blabbing about our indoor plumbing, then there will no stopping them all wanting a piece of the action.....

[AllanB]

All I know is 3 months bike rego cost me a shit load today!


The trailer cost $35 for a year yesterday! I wonder is they charge more for motorcycle trailers. LOL.

[mossy1200]

All I know is 3 months bike rego cost me a shit load today!


The trailer cost $35 for a year yesterday! I wonder is they charge more for motorcycle trailers. LOL.

nope but dont suggest it.

[Harry the Barstard]

What's between your ears will serve you better.

Ahhhhh, this thread is more like it!!!

Nothing like a stupid argument that includes personal slander that just gos round and round in circles for eight pages on a topic so old that when it broke, jesus played full back for bethlehem.

Good work men, although i think that katman should be docked rep for attempting to raise a sensible and very valid point......... this isnt the place.....:spanking: