Are these bikes any good?

[nzspokes]

One would think that the price says these are no good.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-438758454.htm

They look a lot like a Forza.

[bogan]

but, but ,but...

they put two cool buzzwords in the name, and one even has alternative speeling! If that isn't cool, what is?










oh yeh, hondas is still cool :D :bleh:

[Madness]

Are these bikes any good?


upside down forks

Nuff said.

[FlangMasterJ]

I'm going to go with..........very.

[Sable]

Don't buy anything chinese.

[barty5]

the shear fact you need to ask how good/ reliable etc they are says it all really wouldnt go near one my self.

[nzspokes]

the shear fact you need to ask how good/ reliable etc they are says it all really wouldnt go near one my self.

Wouldnt get one for me, lookin for a mate. My xr is perfect apart from having no brakes.

[mossy1200]

They havent done anything to protect the motor housings.Look at last few photos.Couple of offs and im thinking be oil less version.

[Crabby]

a douchebag i used to play paintball bought one of these, reckoned he was going to 'race' it. several engine mounts broke, he reckons it needed a rebuild because a cam chain jammed when he fell off in a race :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: then he tried to flog it off on tardme for 800 and no one wanted it.

[nzspokes]

a douchebag i used to play paintball bought one of these, reckoned he was going to 'race' it. several engine mounts broke, he reckons it needed a rebuild because a cam chain jammed when he fell off in a race :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: then he tried to flog it off on tardme for 800 and no one wanted it.

Cool, will look for another XR then.

[placidfemme]

One would think that the price says these are no good.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-438758454.htm

They look a lot like a Forza.

I can't honestly comment on how good these are, but the most important thing in my mind is... can you get parts?

I work in the industry and I don't think I have seen any parts for these at all, also a LOT of bike shops will not even service Chinese bikes because of the parts issue.

Find out from the seller if they stock all the parts, and if not what are the waiting times and average pricing. The bike might be cheap-ish but you might end up paying out big time in the ling run...

[Tony.OK]

Have a mate that has a "good looking" chinese replica. What a POS!

Last trail ride one of the front brake pads fell out, upon closer inspection the caliper was made for something else then slightly modded to work. As soon as the pad got slightly worn it came out of the slotted end and being held at the pin end it managed to bend around and snap a few spokes :blink:

Lucky it wasn't going down a decent hill eh?

After seeing all the other rusty bits and buckled rims (soft soft soft) I'd not even consider a Chinese bike, they are good at copying but have no standards for safety.


Maybe some of the LICENCED ones are ok? But not for me!

[nzspokes]

I can't honestly comment on how good these are, but the most important thing in my mind is... can you get parts?

I work in the industry and I don't think I have seen any parts for these at all, also a LOT of bike shops will not even service Chinese bikes because of the parts issue.

Find out from the seller if they stock all the parts, and if not what are the waiting times and average pricing. The bike might be cheap-ish but you might end up paying out big time in the ling run...

I have a Honda. They are hard to get parts for also.

It also makes me feel a little gay....

[placidfemme]

I have a Honda. They are hard to get parts for also.

It also makes me feel a little gay....

It is because you have an old Honda, which makes you gay for old men... kinky :Punk:

If you have issues with parts flick me a PM with what you need and I can look into it for you, but also give me the chasis number :woohoo: No garantee's but worth a shot

[nzspokes]

It is because you have an old Honda, which makes you gay for old men... kinky :Punk:

If you have issues with parts flick me a PM with what you need and I can look into it for you, but also give me the chasis number :woohoo: No garantee's but worth a shot

Just need an air filter for 82 XR200r wheelie machine. do they have a frame number?

i was told by a Honda dealer they dont do them. May make one but a bought one would be better.

[george formby]

I have a Honda. They are hard to get parts for also.

It also makes me feel a little gay....

It's illegal to go around feeling little gays. Lilliput Syndrome I think it's called.

[Tony.OK]

Just need an air filter for 82 XR200r wheelie machine. do they have a frame number?

i was told by a Honda dealer they dont do them. May make one but a bought one would be better.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-XR200-XR200R-XR-200-1981-83-air-filter-OEM-/400285136428?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d32da762c&vxp=mtr#ht_500wt_1054

About $30NZ delivered.

[nzspokes]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-XR200-XR200R-XR-200-1981-83-air-filter-OEM-/400285136428?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d32da762c&vxp=mtr#ht_500wt_1054

About $30NZ delivered.

Sweeeeet, thanks for that. never thought to go to e-bay for a filter.

Now to find an alloy swing arm and disc brakes for it.............

[placidfemme]

Just need an air filter for 82 XR200r wheelie machine. do they have a frame number?

i was told by a Honda dealer they dont do them. May make one but a bought one would be better.

Yup every bike has a frame number, it is on the steering stem on the right hand side.

I've gone through all the aftermarket suppliers and they don't do listing for the 82, they start with Air filters from 84, but I am unsure if they are the same. K&N will do an after market alternative, HA-1050 (http://www.knfilters.com/air_filter/honda_xr200r.aspx

But both Whites and AMP's don't have them. RRP$106.90 and about 3.5 weeks if backordered by April 4th with AMP's, it is washable and re-usable so a good investment.

[Utenz]

One would think that the price says these are no good.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-438758454.htm

They look a lot like a Forza.

Wait & see how many finish an easy trail ride, oh look there's one on tomorrow. And your going, have a look at what's around - that'll tell you. And listen to the two old blokes in the ute with you, one has been around for a while!!!!

[nzspokes]

Wait & see how many finish an easy trail ride, oh look there's one on tomorrow. And your going, have a look at what's around - that'll tell you. And listen to the two old blokes in the ute with you, one has been around for a while!!!!

Im lookin for an old mate. Me old XR is just fine. Apart from the petcock valve leaking when I got home tonight.:facepalm:

I think after the ride in may its coming apart for a frame paint and new head bearings. Maybe a rear shock rebuild and link kit.

[nzspokes]

Yup every bike has a frame number, it is on the steering stem on the right hand side.

I've gone through all the aftermarket suppliers and they don't do listing for the 82, they start with Air filters from 84, but I am unsure if they are the same. K&N will do an after market alternative, HA-1050 (http://www.knfilters.com/air_filter/honda_xr200r.aspx

But both Whites and AMP's don't have them. RRP$106.90 and about 3.5 weeks if backordered by April 4th with AMP's, it is washable and re-usable so a good investment.

Or I can get one in a week from ebay for $30.

[nzspokes]

It's illegal to go around feeling little gays. Lilliput Syndrome I think it's called.

Nah thats Lollipop Syndrome. :laugh:

[ktm84mxc]

The problem with a lot of these Chinese bikes is there made/sold as toys not serious off road weapons we Kiwi's demand and exact on them. For riding around a flat paddock they would cope OK, sustained abuse is another story. Your 30 yr old Xr will thump any Chinese brand into submission.

[nzspokes]

The problem with a lot of these Chinese bikes is there made/sold as toys not serious off road weapons we Kiwi's demand and exact on them. For riding around a flat paddock they would cope OK, sustained abuse is another story. Your 30 yr old Xr will thump any Chinese brand into submission.

Its not 30. :oi-grr: Its 29.....

[noobi]

Its not 30. :oi-grr: Its 29.....

For a K&N filter or just a honda one?

[nzspokes]

For a K&N filter or just a honda one?

Years old.:confused:

[noobi]

Years old.:confused:

Oops, wrong quote. The $30 filter.

[nzspokes]

Oops, wrong quote. The $30 filter.

Honnnnnndaaaaa

[cave weta]

One would think that the price says these are no good.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-438758454.htm

They look a lot like a Forza.

It is exactly the same as the base model Forza 230- not the 230f-PRO though.
its only differences are the stickers.

Price is identical- just make sure that the dealer is reputable and stocks parts.

( you know where you stand with FORZA- cos its backed by ME)

[Subike]

Don't buy anything chinese.


Explain why Please

[Sable]

Explain why Please

Explain why? Every single Chinese made scooter I have ever seen has been an absolute piece of rusting shit. Best example was one that chucked a rod 20km from new. Chinese GNs are of inferior quality to Japanese GNs. And the guy earlier in this thread who told a tale of his retard acquaintance buying a Chinese dirtbike, crashing it and having the camchain jam? Are you on the defensive because you ride a Keeway? They're pretty crap too. Source? Worked at a shop that specializes primarily in scooters and small bikes. :pinch:

[Jay GTI]

Explain why? Every single Chinese made scooter I have ever seen has been an absolute piece of rusting shit. Best example was one that chucked a rod 20km from new. Chinese GNs are of inferior quality to Japanese GNs. And the guy earlier in this thread who told a tale of his retard acquaintance buying a Chinese dirtbike, crashing it and having the camchain jam? Are you on the defensive because you ride a Keeway? They're pretty crap too. Source? Worked at a shop that specializes primarily in scooters and small bikes. :pinch:

So I take it you've seen this bike in person then? The Forza as well? Or are you just another brainless numbnut that thinks that having seen some of what China produces means they're an expert in every product from that country?

[Subike]

Explain why? Every single Chinese made scooter I have ever seen has been an absolute piece of rusting shit. Best example was one that chucked a rod 20km from new. Chinese GNs are of inferior quality to Japanese GNs. And the guy earlier in this thread who told a tale of his retard acquaintance buying a Chinese dirtbike, crashing it and having the camchain jam? Are you on the defensive because you ride a Keeway? They're pretty crap too. Source? Worked at a shop that specializes primarily in scooters and small bikes. :pinch:

Yeah guess I am defensive, cause I own one,
but I;m not critical of your opinion per say.
Agree that the quality of build is not on par with more well known manufactures.
But knowing what faults have appeared in other bikes, might just give me the knowledge need to avoid it happening to mine.
If for instance , if its common to find that the clutch springs loose their tension after 10k,
then when the clutch starts slipping I know why, and can service that, not just think it needs adjustment which would do nougat.
So the fork seals don't take to wet weather well, and frosts harden the seals thus they leak.....
or the electrical connections tend to vibrate loose, or the lack of spring washers on mounting bots mean they loosen.....
I know that surface rusting of parts is a problem, cleaning and garaging might reduce this..

So asking you to explain why, is seeking information for preventative maintenance.

Somethings are only crap because they are bought because of their price, and the owner does not have the budget to maintain them
thus they fall apart and get an undeserved reputation.

The Skoda cars of the 80"s are a perfect example of this, cheap to buy, and fell apart often, only because they were not maintained,
not because of build or design quality, when in fact they were the world leaders in the 1100cc class of Rallying.

[Sable]

So I take it you've seen this bike in person then? The Forza as well? Or are you just another brainless numbnut that thinks that having seen some of what China produces means they're an expert in every product from that country?

Expert? Every product? Nay. I know very little about their agriculture for example. But I haven't seen a single good vehicle come out of there. I'd buy an old XR250 with more faith. The other guy was easy to pick, but why are you so hostile? He has a Chinese bike, do you have a Chinese boyfriend?

[t595]

Expert? Every product? Nay. I know very little about their agriculture for example. But I haven't seen a single good vehicle come out of there. I'd buy an old XR250 with more faith. The other guy was easy to pick, but why are you so hostile? He has a Chinese bike, do you have a Chinese boyfriend?

Nice!:niceone:

[YellowDog]

Don't buy anything chinese.

What about Chop Suey or Spleshal Flied Lice ?

[barty5]

the point is that most of these guts that bring in the Chinese bikes bring in a container or 2 hardly stock any parts they buy them supper cheap make a quick buck and shift on to the next product. Your left with a bike that will break down and odds are you wont be able to find any parts.
What i do know about the Chinese bikes (having had Vmoto rent some space from me ) is that they for instance have a huge factory that make all sorts a bikes they churn them out real fast ie they whole supply for Vmoto for a year supplying Aussie, NZ the US and couple of other place are all made in just over a week then they just wack other brand labels on them and keep going. we where getting a complete crank for $25 nz for a 59cc scooter that just shows how cheap the stuff is made. bearings etc where not brand labelled and felt worn before you even fitted them.

[Virk]

Thanks for the info

I am looking at buying 2008/2009 keeway cruiser, done abt 2200 k.

looked gud and test drive went well. I will only be using it for going to work (50km per day) to start with.

Virk

[cave weta]

Explain why? Every single Chinese made scooter I have ever seen has been an absolute piece of rusting shit. Best example was one that chucked a rod 20km from new. Chinese GNs are of inferior quality to Japanese GNs. And the guy earlier in this thread who told a tale of his retard acquaintance buying a Chinese dirtbike, crashing it and having the camchain jam? Are you on the defensive because you ride a Keeway? They're pretty crap too. Source? Worked at a shop that specializes primarily in scooters and small bikes. :pinch:

Key words to keep in mind here: past tense- his experience with Chinese bikes WAS crap. Things have changed very quickly, Im currently involved with importing and selling Chinese bikes. I would not be doing it if I were not prepared to stand behind them. much less ride them myself. There is still some crap available-Buy a chinese bike from an existing dealer and you are onto a winner in my opinion. Low price + decent backup and experience.

Buy one from the Warehouse or any other importer that sells a whole range of stuff from dollygirl lingerie funsuits to chainsaws and pipe benders and what do you expect!




So I take it you've seen this bike in person then? The Forza as well? Or are you just another brainless numbnut that thinks that having seen some of what China produces means they're an expert in every product from that country?

Anyone who has ridden the Forza full size 230f and the 230f PRO comes away full of praise. Ive now sold 22 of them and whilst there has been one or two things that had to be dealt with, none of the owners have had problems. frame paint is a very tough 2 pack finish and most other parts are alloy, the electrics are solid and the levers and pegs are really top quality. Alloy rims and fat taper bars are taking the same terrain that my KTM coped well with.


the point is that most of these guys that bring in the Chinese bikes bring in a container or 2 hardly stock any parts they buy them super cheap make a quick buck and shift on to the next product. Your left with a bike that will break down and odds are you wont be able to find any parts.
What i do know about the Chinese bikes (having had Vmoto rent some space from me ) is that they for instance have a huge factory that make all sorts a bikes they churn them out real fast ie they whole supply for Vmoto for a year supplying Aussie, NZ the US and couple of other place are all made in just over a week then they just wack other brand labels on them and keep going. we where getting a complete crank for $25 nz for a 59cc scooter that just shows how cheap the stuff is made. bearings etc where not brand labelled and felt worn before you even fitted them.

Yeah - what he said! listen to Barty- he has summed up the Chinese Import Bike industry is like currently.
And it's not just for the private importers...... these same factories knock out all the Japanese bikes under NZ$8,000. all the commuter bikes, farm bikes, childrens bikes and quads, are made in these factories. They finish a run of Honda CRF70s and just start on ForzaFMX70. DRz 110 and KLX110 and PitsterproXJR110 are all virtually the same bike. KawaKLX400/ SuzukiDRz400- etcetera etcetera! Its just a huge melting pot with all the bits coming together wherever the labour is cheapest!

Here is a link to the Chinese factory that makes the Suzukis http://wonjan.en.alibaba.com/ and here is a us$1000 Honda CRF250x- or is it?- http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/530387109/CRF250R_4_Valves_250cc_Dirt_Bike.html

[scott411]

. DRz 110 and KLX110 and PitsterproXJR110 are all the same bike. KawaKLX400/ SuzukiDRz400- etcetera etcetera!

Please change this now, the KLX110 (and DRZ110 when it was sold) are made in Thailand by the kawasaki owned factory, it is not the same as a Pitstar pro,

the Suzuki DRZ400 was and still is made in Japan,

[cave weta]

Please change this now, the KLX110 (and DRZ110 when it was sold) are made in Thailand by the kawasaki owned factory, it is not the same as a Pitstar pro,

the Suzuki DRZ400 was and still is made in Japan,

Interesting... as the PitsterPros are made in Taiwan too. Ill be at the importers on Thursday- time to ask more questions...

Wording changed;)

[avgas]

Explain why? Every single Chinese made scooter I have ever seen has been an absolute piece of rusting shit.
In there defense. Its very rare to see an Italian scooter....let alone one running.

[motor_mayhem]

In there defense. Its very rare to see an Italian scooter....let alone one running.

The Dog and Lemon guide says of Italian cars "If you can't afford to buy a new one, you certainly can't afford to keep a second hand one going"

Unfortunately the reputation of chinese manufacturers in general is not helped by the likes of Chery and Great Wall having to recall a number of vehicles (23,000) due to asbestos in the engine and exhaust gaskets

[ktm84mxc]

There's a big difference in being made in a country and being made to a manufactures specs eg Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki etc
Taiwan is a fair way from Thailand, Taiwan is the land of the scooter, Thailand has a large history of producing cars, motorbikes,trucks.
China produced a bolt by bolt replica of a Boeing 707 passenger jet in the late 60's , doubt a motorbike would be a problem to them.
There are fine bikes produced in China it 's just a case of sorting the pearls from the lemons.

[scott411]

There's a big difference in being made in a country and being made to a manufactures specs eg Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki etc
Taiwan is a fair way from Thailand, Taiwan is the land of the scooter, Thailand has a large history of producing cars, motorbikes,trucks.
China produced a bolt by bolt replica of a Boeing 707 passenger jet in the late 60's , doubt a motorbike would be a problem to them.
There are fine bikes produced in China it 's just a case of sorting the pearls from the lemons.

it would be a braver man than me to get into a chinese replica of a Boeing Jet, after seeing some of the replica bikes that come over thier, and talking to the mechainics that tried to keep great wall utes running,

the Chinese stuff has got better, but it is still buyer beware as a lot of it is still not backed up by the people that bring it in,

[avgas]

Unfortunately the reputation of chinese manufacturers in general is not helped by the likes of Chery and Great Wall having to recall a number of vehicles (23,000) due to asbestos in the engine and exhaust gaskets
Meh. Last I heard the Cherry QQ sold something like 2 million. So that's not bad for one model (that apparently no one buys). In fact that is a better ratio then what Ford have.

I have mentioned this earlier (with regard to Toyota). My concern is not really the companies who recall every car they have ever made. But more the other end of the spectrum.
You know who you are Chevy & Honda. You know where your problems are.

[avgas]

it would be a braver man than me to get into a chinese replica of a Boeing Jet
I dunno. Their latest copy of a Mig/Raptor is actually looking pretty good. Not fly to the edge of space stratofighter good - but not far off it.
http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-j-20-mighty-dragon-fighter-jet-2012-3?op=1

[ktm84mxc]

Ah Scott where's your spirit of adventure? the 707 was taken apart and every part was cloned even to the point Boeing's people couldn't tell them apart. The Russians tried this with the Concord with there TU144 a failure which crashed on it's Western debut.
All of Europe's big car makers have plants making cars in China , Audi, Volvo, BMW etc . A genuine product made by a multinational will be ok it's the stuff copied that's having issues.

[gwynfryn]

I see a 2011 forza 230 for sale on trade me for $500.00. The electric start doesn't work anymore. Wouldn't this be covered by warranty?

[avgas]

I see a 2011 forza 230 for sale on trade me for $500.00. The electric start doesn't work anymore. Wouldn't this be covered by warranty?
Got a link bro - I can't find it.

[Transalper]

Got a link bro - I can't find it.

Maybe this?.... linky (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-506398280.htm)

[avgas]

Maybe this?.... linky (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-506398280.htm)
Sweet.
Now I am off to the buckets thread to see if I can race it.

[nzspokes]

I see a 2011 forza 230 for sale on trade me for $500.00. The electric start doesn't work anymore. Wouldn't this be covered by warranty?

looks like a standard farm hack, raped all day long. No warranty there.

[cave weta]

Shit shit shit- I missed it! I would have bought it back- what a tosser selling it so cheap and not contacting me!