Suicidal flatmate and the CBR1000 'Fireblade'

[bc.worldlive]

So, the catchy title caught your attention? i'd like to share with you the story of my flatmate and his dream bike, which also happens to be his first.

last month, i moved into my flat in chatswood on the north shore.
there are 6 of us living here, it's a beautiful house which overlooks the city. all of my flatmates are really good, down to earth people,except one guy in particular,so this story is about my flatmates desire for the best, let's call him Johnny...

Johnny has been asking me about my bike for the past few weeks, (06 hyosung GT250R) asking bout it's stats, how fast it can go, is it fun to ride and such, id gathered that he wasn't a rider himself, but i asked anyway, "are you interested in riding?"
'yeah' said johnny, 'i've never ridden before but i'm keen to get into it'. joy! i love to hear that people are keen to get into riding. the pleasure that i get from riding is immense! and the idea that other people can experience the same feeling of freedom, adrenaline, and pride excites me!

"truly", i said, "have you seen any bikes that you like the look of"? johnny then presents his i phone with a book marked page of a trademe listing for a 2009 CBR1000 Fireblade, i was impressed, they're really nice bikes to look at and honda being one of the largest motorcycle manufacturers in the world, i am sure that the fireblade would be a quality ride, "cool bro" i said, "i'm pretty sure they make them in a 250cc aswell". in hindsight i'm thinking that i really should have talked up my hyosung, i was very honest with him when he was enquiring about it, i told him that it's a good entry level bike, and that i'm beginning to get bored of it's limited power and speed, that i would definitly reccomend these bikes to a beginner. but Johnny is a pretty stylish sort of guy, he likes expensive clothes, he works out alot, i think he likes to be 'the man

"i'm not interested in a 250" i want a 1000... oh dear.

so i'm thinking, if he learns to ride a 1000cc sports bike, then, sure he will be used to riding a big bike, no harm in that, i mean, he won't be able to get sit his license on it, but im sure he could find a bike to borrow for that. the thing is, i had that the joy of learning to ride on suzuki dr200, in a paddock, with lots of nice, soft, grass to land on, with no hard, moving combustion driven traffic to get in my way. i think it was the perfect way to learn, Johnny having no experience at all of riding, i feel he needs somewhere safe to kearn the basic(how to go fowards, how to stop, how to change gear)
in remembering the first time i dropped my hyosung (3 times in total) i was highly pissed off with myself, she is my pride and joy and i slammed her into the ground, but she was only $3000, so the thought of him toppling off his $10,000 fireblade into the street or carpark... i feel bad for the bike.

it's been a week now, since he told me he was keen on the fireblade, and every day i've been showing him trademe listings, motorcycle trader articles anything which makes a 250 look good! but to no avail.

the thing is, i dont want my flatmate to get wasted, and even more, i don't want to see such a sexy machine(the bike) all scratched up, or worse sitting in the garage coz he's shit scared to ride it.
what do you guys recon? is this a bad idea, to learn to ride on a 1000? he's put up a good point, that he will get used to it, having had nothing else to compare it to.

[nodrog]

OMG! he is going to kill himself until he is dead!

[Brayden]

Fukin lol i give him 3 weeks

[bogan]

Very bad idea to learn on a 1000, point out from his stats he likes so much, that a cock up where he twisted the throttle by accident (or dumps the clutch and is pushed back from the g-force and that twists the throttle) he'll be doing a hundred before he can think what to do next.

The point that there is nothing else to compare it to is up to fuck all, still way easier to do something stupid on a thou than a 250.

Weight is a bit thing when learning too imo, get something around 140kg, and its a lot easier to recover balance or plant a foot if needed; saves fucking up those delicious fairings.

[bogan]

Oh, and if he does get it, have a few cameras on him at all times when he is learning :yes: :D

[insomnia01]

Before he does go all suicidal on you guy's, make sure he's all payed up with his rent & expenses then let him go for it :shit: :shit::shit: I'm sure when he DOES get pulled over from the :Police: his brand of hair gel & Hugo Boss wipe on wont impress the cops to much :facepalm:

[imdying]

Not your problem.

He is a man, he is entitled to be left to make his own decisions.

Yes, they are ill-informed. Yes, they might kill him. But ultimately, that is his own problem, and entirely his own decision to make.

I would not worry too much though... he'll reassess after he scares the ever loving shit out of himself... and then, you'll know where a cheap 09 blade is ;) It's as good a choice as he can make though... they practically ride themselves... even a noob would have a hard time stalling one (it applies a little gas for you, and the clutch assist makes it a doddle to use).

[sidecar bob]

Johnny is very obviously gay.
Stylish clothes, likes to work out etc, he dosent want to "be the man" he wants a man.
Clearly his plan is to ride it once, then tell you it i scares the shit outta him, & can you ride it while he goes pillion.

[baffa]

When he gets the blade, unplug 2 cylinders.
Sweet as :sunny:

I ride a 97 blade with around 50 less horsepowers than what he is considering. Heavier and bulkier than a 250, snapping the throttle will throw you backwards if you arent expecting it. Tell him to remove the fairings first, so at least they survive the week.

[BigAl]

Make sure he pays his rent in advance.

[Asher]

Show him a bunch of videos from america of people trying to learn how to ride 1000cc sportsbikes and estimate how much each crash cost since he wont be able to get insurance on it.

[nodrog]

Id rather die learning on a fireblade, than be seen on a Hyosung.

[bc.worldlive]

Id rather die learning on a fireblade, than be seen on a Hyosung.

dude, thy're good bikes to learn on, get over it.

i kninda want him to get the blade, in a way, coz then i can ride it.
i don't want him to die however, and i really dont want it to sit in our garage, it would break my heart.

i know theres some sexy little 250s out there, im gunna suggest he gets some 2nd hand 250, then mod the balls off it, it'd be cool for him to ride, coz then i have someone to ride with.

[GSF]

'yeah' said johnny, 'i've never ridden before but i'm keen to get into it'. joy! i love to hear that people are keen to get into riding. the pleasure that i get from riding is immense! and the idea that other people can experience the same feeling of freedom, adrenaline, and pride excites me!

Johnny is a pretty stylish sort of guy, he likes expensive clothes, he works out alot, i think he likes to be 'the man

"i'm not interested in a 250" i want a 1000... oh dear.

It sounds to me like Johnny isn't actually too concerned about riding. It sounds like he's more concerned about being SUPER COOL MAN GO FAST ON MY THOU LIKE ROSSO VALENTINI BRO BITCHES LOVE IT and looking good.

(Although hey, that's why we all bought motorcycles, right?)

[nodrog]

dude, thy're good bikes to learn on, get over it.

i kninda want him to get the blade, in a way, coz then i can ride it.
i don't want him to die however, and i really dont want it to sit in our garage, it would break my heart.

i know theres some sexy little 250s out there, im gunna suggest he gets some 2nd hand 250, then mod the balls off it, it'd be cool for him to ride, coz then i have someone to ride with.

Translation - I dont want him to get a fireblade, cos i wont be able to keep up on my hyosung. :laugh:

[Asher]

pre 95 jap sports bikes (MC22 CBR250RR, ZXR250C) have enough power, if he wants more suggest a 2 stroker before the laws change, at least that way he is legal and less likely to kill himself

[jrandom]

ZOMG he is a crazy fool and you are awesome for being really mature and sensible

he will die, of death, and you will secretly enjoy the little shiver of delight that will run down your spine as you contemplate the tragedy of his hubris

you should tell him so

and then you should go for a mature and sensible ride on your Hyosung

[bc.worldlive]

It sounds to me like Johnny isn't actually too concerned about riding. It sounds like he's more concerned about being SUPER COOL MAN GO FAST ON MY THOU LIKE ROSSO VALENTINI BRO BITCHES LOVE IT and looking good.

(Although hey, that's why we all bought motorcycles, right?)

you got it bro.

[MSTRS]

It sounds to me like Johnny isn't actually too concerned about riding. It sounds like he's more concerned about being SUPER COOL MAN GO FAST ON MY THOU LIKE ROSSO VALENTINI BRO BITCHES LOVE IT and looking good.

(Although hey, that's why we all bought motorcycles, right?)

Yep. Apart from that last bit...:laugh:

Not every law is a good one, but smaller, lower-powered bikes for learners is a sensible law. Tell him if he doesn't want a 'gay' 250 to wait until LAMS comes in (Sept - Oct this year) then his choices increase big time.

[bc.worldlive]

ZOMG he is a crazy fool and you are awesome for being really mature and sensible

he will die, of death, and you will secretly enjoy the little shiver of delight that will run down your spine as you contemplate the tragedy of his hubris

you should tell him so

and then you should go for a mature and sensible ride on your Hyosung

HAHA! die of death, love it man!
i'm tempted to take him for a wee lesson on my bike, but then i think, no, no, i actually like my bike.

[Brayden]

Johnny is very obviously gay.
Stylish clothes, likes to work out etc, he dosent want to "be the man" he wants a man.
Clearly his plan is to ride it once, then tell you it i scares the shit outta him, & can you ride it while he goes pillion.

Fucking cracking up so hard at this ahhaha

[5150]

If he gets the Blade, tell your flattie that I can do him a really good deal on a plot in Central Auckland Cemetary. It does overlook the city and and is in a very trendy neighbourhood. :shifty:

[bogan]

Translation - I dont want him to get a fireblade, cos i wont be able to keep up on my hyosung. :laugh:

Nah that can't be it, the hyobag wouldn't fair any better against a CBR250 either :bleh:

[Swoop]

You meet the nicest people on a Honda.

[HenryDorsetCase]

the thing is, i dont want my flatmate to get wasted, and even more, i don't want to see such a sexy machine(the bike) all scratched up, or worse sitting in the garage coz he's shit scared to ride it.
what do you guys recon? is this a bad idea, to learn to ride on a 1000? he's put up a good point, that he will get used to it, having had nothing else to compare it to.

He'll pay $10k for it, he'll be terrified the first time he opens it up in second or third, if he doesnt kill himself, he'll sell it cheap: you'll be able to straight swap the Hyo plus two grand cash in a burger bag (protip: eat the burger first) and everybody's happy. ten large seems cheap for an 09 Blade though.

[HenryDorsetCase]

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this is the answer to the question: What is a CBR1000RR Fireblade to a learner rider?

[5150]

Tell him 09 ZX10 goes faster. :shutup:

If not, I know where there is a cheap going Cessna 207 if he can put the motor back in it him self

[Zedder]

"Johnny", is all show. He'll never actually ride the bike but it will be kept in pristine condition as will his matching riding gear.

However, you may get to ride it to places (albeit early in the morning) where he'll get you to position it strategically so he can pose for all the girls. You may "get laid by association" so stick around.

[sil3nt]

All you can do is tell him he is stupid. You can't stop him buying it.

I know someone who hasn't owned anything under 1000cc and he is still alive.

Just hope he is smart enough to ask advice on riding if he does get a litre bike.

[5150]

Just hope he is smart enough to ask advice on riding if he does get a litre bike.

If he really wants a litre bike, he could always get a Harley. Much more sensible in my humble opinion. And good for posing on too. :shifty:

[george formby]

I'm subscribed, I feel this thread has a bright future unlike Johnny. Yeah, nah, yeah. His money, his choice. Your conscience is clear but defo get a good ride on it before he gets too carried away or just carried away. Get him to put you in his will for the bike.

If he gets the bike it is wrong on many levels but...... Last time I was in the UK I was told a tale by a mechanic mate at a dealers, some guy came in & paid cash for a new GSXR1000, no licence & allegedly first bike.. He turned up again a week later for new tires, the originals were absolutely trashed & at the time of tale telling he had not dropped the bike in over a year. Go figure, maybe his surname was Hutchinson.

[5150]

This is turning into one of them NEK MINNIT threads..... lol

[Tigadee]

Show him the vids from the Squids thread... <_<

Let him buy it and then tell him you should ride with him as pillion to show him what he needs to know about it, then do a wheelie... :laugh:

[steve_t]

Tell Johnny that Hondas are ghey and that he needs a new BMW S1000RR or a Ducati Panagale 1199 to be cool. Then when he drops it, and gets a scratch on the fairings, I'll give him $10,000 for it :scooter:

[short-circuit]

dude, thy're good bikes to learn on, get over it.

i kninda want him to get the blade, in a way, coz then i can ride it.

:facepalm: Mate, you go from the Hyodung to a blade and you'll be killin yo'self straight after him

[Maha]

John, take it easy now. Do not be cocky. Seriously John... John... JOHN!!!"



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[The Pastor]

hes a big boy, he can ride what ever he wants to ride.

My 1st bike was a 1000cc (ok mid 80's 1000 but still way to fast).

Advise him that its a stupid idea (show him the 100's of youtube vids on this) but at the end of the day its his call.

Try and make him get a video camera on the bike :D

[bc.worldlive]

Nah that can't be it, the hyobag wouldn't fair any better against a CBR250 either :bleh:

!!:bash: it's a decent bike jeez! gimme a break, it looks nice, sounds cool, and goes fast(enough) i dunno what more you can expect from a $3000 bike

[unstuck]

My money is on old johnny WHAPPING it up into one of those big bussy things that you have in the BIG smoke, buy a video camera for sure.:Punk:

[Sable]

I reckon you're both gimps.

[Tigadee]

i know theres some sexy little 250s out there, im gunna suggest he gets some 2nd hand 250, then mod the balls off it, it'd be cool for him to ride, coz then i have someone to ride with.

If cool is what he wants, tell him to get a cruiser... Preferably black.
260736

[bc.worldlive]

If he gets the bike it is wrong on many levels but...... Last time I was in the UK I was told a tale by a mechanic mate at a dealers, some guy came in & paid cash for a new GSXR1000, no licence & allegedly first bike.. He turned up again a week later for new tires, the originals were absolutely trashed & at the time of tale telling he had not dropped the bike in over a year. Go figure, maybe his surname was Hutchinson.

see that gives me a glimmer of hope for him, it might just work out fine... i dunno

[Tigadee]

There's a reason why exceptions are that - most human beings will screw up the moment they cease to use logic, common sense, their brains, etc...

[ducatilover]

OMG! he is going to kill himself until he is dead! At least mate, I know, I did it once!


Oh, and if he does get it, have a few cameras on him at all times when he is learning :yes: :D Yes!


!!:bash: it's a decent bike jeez! gimme a break, it looks nice, sounds cool, and goes fast(enough) i dunno what more you can expect from a $3000 bike
Come on, you can bite bigger. I've never spent 3 grand for 33hp
Yes it's a good learners bike, I'll admit.

I reckon Johnny should slam some sick as wheelies on that fucker, drag the knee everywhere, he'll be sweet.
People are over rated anyway.

[Tigadee]

I reckon Johnny should slam some sick as wheelies on that fucker, drag the knee everywhere, he'll be sweet.
People are over rated anyway.

:confused: Well, that's one way to cull the herd of the sick and IQ-challenged...

[Marmoot]

Nice trolling
how can someone be attracted to bikes after looking at a hyosung?

[ducatilover]

:confused: Well, that's one way to cull the herd of the sick and IQ-challenged...
My thoughts exactly, I failed the test but I'm alive, so I must be okay...:shifty:

[The Everlasting]

Yup,he will most likely either drop it,or kill himself,especially if he has never ridden a motorbike before.

[Tigadee]

My thoughts exactly, I failed the test but I'm alive, so I must be okay...

Oh heck, how'd we miss you? Lock and load!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gtEWQVov6o&feature=related

[Fast Eddie]

Nice trolling
how can someone be attracted to bikes after looking at a hyosung?

haha!

just make sure your videoing when he gets the cbr1000rr bro. keep the video rolling all times

[skinman]

LMAO
Your mate obviously has no concept of the capabilities of a bike like that.
Do you know of anyone with a fast bike (any type) who can pillion him & give him a taste of what its about, like try & snap his head off in the 1st minute & than ask him if he seriously thinks he can deal with that much power.
He uses hair gel & wants a honda, hmmmmmm

[SMOKEU]

LMAO
Your mate obviously has no concept of the capabilities of a bike like that.
Do you know of anyone with a fast bike (any type) who can pillion him & give him a taste of what its about, like try & snap his head off in the 1st minute & than ask him if he seriously thinks he can deal with that much power.
He uses hair gel & wants a honda, hmmmmmm

He might panic and cause the rider to fall off.

[ducatilover]

He might panic and cause the rider to fall off.

After much consideration we have decided; it's not our problem. :sunny:

[gijoe1313]

Please keep this thread updated as it progresses ... or not! :shifty: And tell him to get a red one, cause they go fasterer, even when its praked up in the gargre!

[buellbabe]

what do you guys recon? is this a bad idea, to learn to ride on a 1000? he's put up a good point, that he will get used to it, having had nothing else to compare it to.

Whether or not its a good bike to learn on isn't really the point here (well not in my opinion).

FFS! he has no licence and he thinks he is that F**king cool that he can just flout the law and ride around on a 1000cc motorbike?

I would be doing everything in my power to talk him out of getting on ANY motorbike.

What a PLONKER. Seriously!

[yod]

show him this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9zNUPDmnz4

[Damantis]

Then take him for a blat ( or what equates to a blat on a Hyosung ) and try to put the shits into him. When you get home, ask him if he thinks he's ready to go 4 times faster, by himself, on something that will more than likeky get totalled when he comes up on a corner too fast and tries to brake too late. If he's really dumb enough to go and get this bike, there's not much anyone can do to stop him. Just another shore-boy too cool for school? Or does he thinl it will pull the hicks or something?

[300weatherby]

Dead man walking........:bye:

[Katman]

Put him on the back of your bike then take him for a blat ( or what equates to a blat on a Hyosung ) and try to put the shits into him.

What a great idea.

Why kill one when you could make it two?

:facepalm:

[Zapf]

Background: I went from a 250cc to a 650cc in 3 months. and then 750 and 900/1000 in a year or so. (with lots of optional training and road time)

Comment: steep learning curve. have learnt car driving from racing drivers and had a 400+hp car. so know the road. Rode every weekend with some of the more experience members from KB and learnt lots. Still I shat my pants when someone lent me their R1

Golden rule: The difference between a small and big bike is that a BIG bike will get you into trouble quicker. Much quicker.

If I was looking at this as an investment. I would pay 10k to buy your mate a 1000cc fireblade, in return I will have title to their life insurance at 200k. I think it will be a good investment.

As a biker: I would pray that he does not get a 600 or 1000 as their first bike. Saves me the funereal.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Then take him for a blat ( or what equates to a blat on a Hyosung ) and try to put the shits into him. When you get home, ask him if he thinks he's ready to go 4 times faster, by himself, on something that will more than likeky get totalled when he comes up on a corner too fast and tries to brake too late. If he's really dumb enough to go and get this bike, there's not much anyone can do to stop him. Just another shore-boy too cool for school? Or does he thinl it will pull the hicks or something?

He'd have to go to Ekatahuna to pull the hicks.

[ducatilover]

He'd have to go to Ekatahuna to pull the hicks.
They're dirty here :facepalm::shutup: trust me...

What a great idea.

Why kill one when you could make it two?

:facepalm:

It's only an increase in ACC tax...wait...

[SMOKEU]

Background: I went from a 250cc to a 650cc in 3 months. and then 750 and 900/1000 in a year or so. (with lots of optional training and road time)

Comment: steep learning curve. have learnt car driving from racing drivers and had a 400+hp car. so know the road. Rode every weekend with some of the more experience members from KB and learnt lots. Still I shat my pants when someone lent me their R1

Golden rule: The difference between a small and big bike is that a BIG bike will get you into trouble quicker. Much quicker.

If I was looking at this as an investment. I would pay 10k to buy your mate a 1000cc fireblade, in return I will have title to their life insurance at 200k. I think it will be a good investment.

As a biker: I would pray that he does not get a 600 or 1000 as their first bike. Saves me the funereal.

So then an Aprilia RS250 with 70bhp must be a lot slower than a Harley 883 Sportster with 45bhp because it has a smaller engine.

[ducatilover]

So then an Aprilia RS250 with 70bhp must be a lot slower than a Harley 883 Sportster with 45bhp because it has a smaller engine.

Yeah man, 883cc of pure POWAH! Our 600s have nothing.

[Zapf]

So then an Aprilia RS250 with 70bhp must be a lot slower than a Harley 883 Sportster with 45bhp because it has a smaller engine.

I can't help you if you choose to ride a 883 Harley. U choose the wrong smoke :)


2nd thought, it will be fun to see a learner on a RS250 as a first bike.... LOL. How long would it last... :corn:

[SMOKEU]

I can't help you if you choose to ride a 883 Harley. U choose the wrong smoke :)


2nd thought, it will be fun to see a learner on a RS250 as a first bike.... LOL. How long would it last... :corn:

I was simply trying to dispel the myth that big engine = big power. Oh, and I ride a gixxer, not a Harley.

[ducatilover]

2nd thought, it will be fun to see a learner on a RS250 as a first bike.... LOL. How long would it last... :corn:

I've known a couple of people to start on them and none of them destroyed them

[Zapf]

I was simply trying to dispel the myth that big engine = big power. Oh, and I ride a gixxer, not a Harley.

Agreed. That doesn't apply to a CBR1000 thou :) Isn't it the reason some Harley's are called Fatbob. LOL

[Zapf]

I've known a couple of people to start on them and none of them destroyed them

Let them chase some well ridden 600's or 1000's on 22. more :corn:

[ducatilover]

Let them chase some well ridden 600's or 1000's on 22. more :corn:

I don't think any of them did that :crazy: we know what happens when that game starts...:brick:

[Insanity_rules]

OMG is your flatmate for real??? Keep a video camera handy if this fool really does buy the blade. You'll at least have evidence for the crash investigators. I really hope you can talk him out of it.

[vifferman]

This is serious shit! :angry2:

*I* live in Chatswood, and don't want any noobs doing crazy shit on their Hyo Silver! And away!! or FartBlades, and attracting the attention of the popo, or (worse still!) my nosey neighbour, who's responsible for the annoying pedestrian island and no parking zone outside my house! GRRRrrrRRRR!!! and all that...:facepalm: I've already had one ticket just round the corner from home.:crazy:

[quickbuck]

I've known a couple of people to start on them and none of them destroyed them

Well... Not cosmetically anyway.... ;)

[ducatilover]

Well... Not cosmetically anyway.... ;)

Ring ding ding dung bang pop fizz...

[English Kiwi]

This "Johnny" guy sounds like someone I know in the States...

Never riden a bike before 2 months later buys an R6...about 3 months from then (2months ago) Crashed on a "corner" trying to get knee down...ended up with sever concussion, punctured Lung and shattered ankle...

Guess what...he has now brought an R1!!! :facepalm:

Some people just don't get it!

[baffa]

I was simply trying to dispel the myth that big engine = big power. Oh, and I ride a gixxer, not a Harley.

Lies.
And for the record, most 600s are comparitively tame at lower revs, but a 1000 will bite you anywhere in the rev range.
Tell him 600s are better, and he might live to see his next birthday.

[ducatilover]

Lies.
And for the record, most 600s are comparitively tame at lower revs, but a 1000 will bite you anywhere in the rev range.
Tell him 600s are better, and he might live to see his next birthday.

Nah, 600s are for pansies. Hayabusa with spinners or GTFO

[SMOKEU]

Lies.
And for the record, most 600s are comparitively tame at lower revs, but a 1000 will bite you anywhere in the rev range.
Tell him 600s are better, and he might live to see his next birthday.

There are many 1000cc bikes out there that have a lot less power than some of the 600s. A n00b will be safer on a 1200cc Harley than on a ZX6R, or other high powered 600cc bike. You have to remember that the highly tuned bikes tend to be quite docile at low to medium revs, giving the impression that they don't have a lot of power. The power tends to kick in quite suddenly at high revs and can easily make someone panic if they're not expecting it.

[quickbuck]

...ended up with sever concussion
That sounds bad....... is that like dislocated concussion?



Guess what...he has now brought an R1!!! :facepalm:

Some people just don't get it!
Yup.... YA can't shoot straight with an air pistol, so buy a 44 Magnum........

that's what ya need to do.......

Makes a bigger hole in some otha place ;)

[R-Soul]

My first bike was/is a VTR1000F and three years later I have not had issues with it (yet)- but I had ridden around on many mates bikes for a while. It is a V-twin, so a nice linear throttle response, and no powerband.

But It STILL scares the shit out of me - This may not be a bad thing, since a healthy does of respect is what is ALWAYS required. It has 110hp. A 170hp Blade with a monstrous powerband and that much hp is probably just asking for trouble.

[avgas]

Sweet - who needs CBR1000 parts?

[Marmoot]

Nah, 600s are for pansies. Hayabusa with spinners or GTFO

Trying to kill the guy now?

[ducatilover]

Trying to kill the guy now?

ZX14 with a shortened swinger?

[gatch]

Is the guy dead yet ?

[G4L4XY]

Did he end up getting the bike? Guess I should've read the thread lol.

And I wanted to change my post from something that I would've been mocked for

[baffa]

There are many 1000cc bikes out there that have a lot less power than some of the 600s. A n00b will be safer on a 1200cc Harley than on a ZX6R, or other high powered 600cc bike. You have to remember that the highly tuned bikes tend to be quite docile at low to medium revs, giving the impression that they don't have a lot of power. The power tends to kick in quite suddenly at high revs and can easily make someone panic if they're not expecting it.

Perhaps, but thats not what I was getting at. Going by the sounds of the flatty, I'd be inclined to encourage him to ride a 1000cc and let Darwin have his way.