New Give Way rule at green arrow?

[Usarka]

I enountered this today.

Bike and car both turning off main road into a side street. Car turning right with a green arrow traffic light. Bike turning left at a give-way sign (left turn not controlled by the traffic lights).

Who has right of way? The person turning left into the side street? Or the car turning right with the green arrow?

If the latter, I could not see whether they had an arrow, or whether they were turning on a normal green light. :wacko: Anyone?

http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=r+s+l+trading&hl=en&ll=-36.911176,174.818723&spn=0.001583,0.003039&sll=-36.911202,174.819029&sspn=0.001583,0.003039&t=h&hq=r+s+l+trading&z=19

[Virago]

Traffic turning on a green arrow has right of way.

Left turning traffic on a Give Way sign must give way.

[Usarka]

Traffic turning on a green arrow has right of way.

Left turning traffic on a Give Way sign must give way.

So how am I supposed to know if they have a green arrow or not?

[yungatart]

The green light supersedes the give way. The car has right of way.

[Mental Trousers]

Left turn is on a Give Way. At that point the person turning right should be deemed to be travelling straight. But he's got the arrow and the left turner was on a Give Way anyway so the bike gives way.

[Mental Trousers]

So how am I supposed to know if they have a green arrow or not?

Doesn't matter if you're on the Give Way. It's a Give Way.

[Usarka]

So if a car is turning right with a standard green (not an arrow), does that still mean they have right of way? (that might be where I'm getting confused)

[Virago]

So how am I supposed to know if they have a green arrow or not?

Doesn't matter. You're on a Give Way.

[Mental Trousers]

Think of it as the Give Way/left turn being a separate intersection (cos it actually is).

[Usarka]

So how am I supposed to know if they have a green arrow or not?

Doesn't matter dumbarse! You're on a give way!

[yungatart]

So how am I supposed to know if they have a green arrow or not?

It doesn't matter if they have a green light/arrow. By the time they get to you, you are on a feeder lane turning left and controlled by a give way. They are on a straight through piece of road and have right of way.

[Virago]

It's not rocket science, but it seems to be confusing some people, particularly in Auckland.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10795366

It looks like the police are going to start hammering the rules home.

[BMWST?]

ok here is a an equivalent one.....the traffic turning right from Hutt road can only do so with green arrow,trafic turning left have a "free turn".Who gibves way....

here the google map link if you wanna look from street level
http://maps.google.com/maps/myplaces?ll=-41.260328,174.790088&spn=0.00223,0.005284&ctz=-780&t=h&z=18

[slofox]

It's simple. If you have a Give Way sign, the new rules do NOT apply. Give Way means just that - you give way to ALL.

[slofox]

ok here is a an equivalent one.....the traffic turning right from Hutt road can only do so with green arrow,trafic turning left have a "free turn".Who gibves way....

I'd bet that the "free turn" has a give way sign...all the ones round here do anyway.

[yungatart]

ok here is a an equivalent one.....the traffic turning right from Hutt road can only do so with green arrow,trafic turning left have a "free turn".Who gibves way....

here the google map link if you wanna look from street level
http://maps.google.com/maps/myplaces?ll=-41.260328,174.790088&spn=0.00223,0.005284&ctz=-780&t=h&z=18

Once the vehicle has turned right on to Kaiwharawhara Rd, they are proceeding straight ahead, you are turning left, they are on your right.
You give way. It's easy...

[maggot]

Okay, I've got one.. What happens when there's no green arrow, but road is clear ahead, so clear to turn right, into a street with two lanes, with cars also turning left into the same street. Do the new give way rules apply when the road being turned into is double laned, so a lane for left turning traffic and a lane for right turning traffic?
http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=symonds+st&hl=en&ll=-36.848493,174.769839&spn=0.000608,0.001321&sll=-36.939762,174.847554&sspn=0.009724,0.021136&hnear=Symonds+St,+Auckland&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=-36.848578,174.769802&panoid=73AxU-tfUaJkUErLEy8iyQ&cbp=12,28.75,,0,21.56
That one there..

[yungatart]

Okay, I've got one.. What happens when there's no green arrow, but road is clear ahead, so clear to turn right, into a street with two lanes, with cars also turning left into the same street. Do the new give way rules apply when the road being turned into is double laned, so a lane for left turning traffic and a lane for right turning traffic?
http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=symonds+st&hl=en&ll=-36.848493,174.769839&spn=0.000608,0.001321&sll=-36.939762,174.847554&sspn=0.009724,0.021136&hnear=Symonds+St,+Auckland&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=-36.848578,174.769802&panoid=73AxU-tfUaJkUErLEy8iyQ&cbp=12,28.75,,0,21.56
That one there..

You each turn into the lane closest to you, so nobody gives way, well, that is the theory, be careful doing that in Hawkes Bay though, cos drivers here turn into whatever lane they choose.

[maggot]

You each turn into the lane closest to you, so nobody gives way, well, that is the theory, be careful doing that in Hawkes Bay though, cos drivers here turn into whatever lane they choose.

Cheers for that answer, I thought I was right, but people seem to be too nervous to do anything remotely close to taking the initiative at Give Way signs.. Infuriating.
This is in Auckland's CBD, so you get plonkers who think they get to pick whichever lane they want, so I always take care through there, even if I'm in the right..

[Virago]

I'd bet that the "free turn" has a give way sign...all the ones round here do anyway.

It appears not, but I suspect that there will be one there very soon...

[slofox]

It appears not, but I suspect that there will be one there very soon...

There should be - "free turns" round here all have the Give Way sign. But then, that one is down souf so anything could be the go there...

[slofox]

You each turn into the lane closest to you, so nobody gives way, well, that is the theory, be careful doing that in Hawkes Bay though, cos drivers here turn into whatever lane they choose.

+1. Same thing round here - try for your own lane at your peril...:Pokey:

[yungatart]

+1. Same thing round here - try for your own lane at your peril...:Pokey:

I muscle my way in glaring at all who dare to try and cross me! They don't call me scary tart for nuthin', you know. I EARNED that title!

[BMWST?]

I'd bet that the "free turn" has a give way sign...all the ones round here do anyway.

it doesnt have a give way sign

[Virago]

it doesnt have a give way sign

Yeah, just an ambiguous dotted line. There will be lots of intersections around the country like that which will require some signage to prevent confusion. In the meantime bikers would be best to ride defensively, as there's always a few nutters out there who will force right-of-way, regardless of consequences.

[Mental Trousers]

If you're on a bike you should always take care, even if you are in the right. After all, being in the right doesn't make that much difference to the SUV that's sitting on top of you.


Cheers for that answer, I thought I was right, but people seem to be too nervous to do anything remotely close to taking the initiative at Give Way signs.. Infuriating.
This is in Auckland's CBD, so you get plonkers who think they get to pick whichever lane they want, so I always take care through there, even if I'm in the right..

[schrodingers cat]

So how am I supposed to know if they have a green arrow or not?

A car is bigger than you.
Ergo, it can hurt you bad


Bigger than you = right of way





Dumbass

[slofox]

it doesnt have a give way sign

Guess I lose that bet then huh. Bugger.

[pritch]

It's not rocket science, but it seems to be confusing some people, particularly in Auckland.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10795366



Thst's a worry. Even more dim shits around than I thought.
I'd love to think it was just an Auckland thing but it'd probably be safer not to...

[Big Dave]

So how am I supposed to know if they have a green arrow or not?

HAve the relevant traffic authority employ a competent engineer.

[Berries]

So how am I supposed to know if they have a green arrow or not?

HAve the relevant traffic authority employ a competent engineer.
If one leg has a green arrow then there will no conflicting traffic whatsoever* It doesn't matter whether you know they have a green arrow or not because when they do you will be either faced with a red light or a give way sign. Give way signs mean give way and that hasn't changed in the past week.


*If there is conflicting traffic when a green arrow is being shown then there is a serious problem with the signals.

[Jantar]

ok here is a an equivalent one.....the traffic turning right from Hutt road can only do so with green arrow,trafic turning left have a "free turn".Who gibves way....



There is no conflict here. The traffic turning left are now faced with an intersection where they have to give way to traffic on their right. It doesn't matter where that traffic has come from it is on their right on a straight piece of road and they must give way to it.

The simple rule is "Give way to your right. Give way when turning right."

[jasonu]

I enountered this today.

Bike and car both turning off main road into a side street. Car turning right with a green arrow traffic light. Bike turning left at a give-way sign (left turn not controlled by the traffic lights).

Who has right of way? The person turning left into the side street? Or the car turning right with the green arrow?

If the latter, I could not see whether they had an arrow, or whether they were turning on a normal green light. :wacko: Anyone?

http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=r+s+l+trading&hl=en&ll=-36.911176,174.818723&spn=0.001583,0.003039&sll=-36.911202,174.819029&sspn=0.001583,0.003039&t=h&hq=r+s+l+trading&z=19

You (on a bike) should give way because right or wrong if there is an overlap you (on a bike) will loose the most skin.

[jasonu]

Okay, I've got one.. What happens when there's no green arrow, but road is clear ahead, so clear to turn right, into a street with two lanes, with cars also turning left into the same street. Do the new give way rules apply when the road being turned into is double laned, so a lane for left turning traffic and a lane for right turning traffic?
http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=symonds+st&hl=en&ll=-36.848493,174.769839&spn=0.000608,0.001321&sll=-36.939762,174.847554&sspn=0.009724,0.021136&hnear=Symonds+St,+Auckland&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=-36.848578,174.769802&panoid=73AxU-tfUaJkUErLEy8iyQ&cbp=12,28.75,,0,21.56
That one there..

I think that is an example of people looking for 'loopholes' in the new rules when a bit of commonsense or defensive/courteous/self preservation driving is in order.
No offense to the maggot.

[sleemanj]

ok here is a an equivalent one.....the traffic turning right from Hutt road can only do so with green arrow,trafic turning left have a "free turn".Who gibves way....

here the google map link if you wanna look from street level
http://maps.google.com/maps/myplaces?ll=-41.260328,174.790088&spn=0.00223,0.005284&ctz=-780&t=h&z=18

I THINK the answer here is that the left turner gives way, because at the point where conflict occurs they are actually merging with a lane, not turning, the act of turning didn't cause a conflict.

[Marmoot]

So how am I supposed to know if they have a green arrow or not?

Xray vision

[craigdek]

Bwahahahahaha. First time I have ever seen give way signs. Where I come from green flashing arrow has right of way, opposing traffic lights should be red. As others stated I agree. Feeder lane with give way must give way.

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[bsasuper]

ok here is a an equivalent one.....the traffic turning right from Hutt road can only do so with green arrow,trafic turning left have a "free turn".Who gibves way....

here the google map link if you wanna look from street level
http://maps.google.com/maps/myplaces?ll=-41.260328,174.790088&spn=0.00223,0.005284&ctz=-780&t=h&z=18

The traffic island makes it a new road,even if its only big enough for two people to stand on, so giveway to cars from right