Whinging Somalian refugees insult our charity. GO HOME THEN!

[MD]

I've just come in for a break from hours of fence painting and read this shit. Thank you Helen Clarke for dumping these parasites on us and all the future losers they will breed. It's always the same story. Let one or two in and then open the floodgates to all their hanger on relies.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6670704/11-into-four-bedrooms-won-t-go

Ungrateful pricks insulting NZ for forcing them to live in third world conditions in Chch. Our own people are suffering in Chch, why should these refugees expect preferential treatment?

Yeah, we are right bastards letting them in to our country to enjoy the benefits of our hard work. Giving them a free 4 bedroom home over their heads - strange that because all the people I know had to work in order to pay for a home of their own; free medical care; free education system; hot and cold running water and electricity to their free home and of course they are all living on social welfare.

Please, please go back to Somalia to your peaceful life in your free 11 bedroom palace and let us live in these poor third world NZ conditions that generations of hard working, law abiding NZers worked for. Sorry our charity was below your expectations. For the record your presence is well and truly below our expectation of an appreciative guest and standard of a desirable citizen.

And let me hazzard a guess that none of thes bludgers are outside today working to improve the condition of their home, mowing the lawn, painting, cleaning, repairing. Nope, they will just tell Housing NZ to do it for them. Unfortunately for me I'm just a low class Kiwi and have to go back outside to do my own house painting.

Lets bring in more of these people and really turn this country into a third world dump.

[jellywrestler]

put them in a crate and send them back I say

[Bassmatt]

Smokeus family? Oh...wait...

[BMWST?]

yes....i would say 8-10 bedrooms places are pretty low in number in housing NZ Christchurch's stock....

[Sable]

The stinky bludging fuckers can go back where they came from

[MSTRS]

Stop your moaning. You want a taste of the lash? You've got work to do.

[schrodingers cat]

They're busy people.

I quote " they take shifts watching television in the lounge..."

[mashman]

New Zealand has a quote of accepting 750 refugees each year as part of a deal with the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (http://www.mfat.govt.nz/Foreign-Relations/2-International-Organisations/United-Nations/UN-High-Commissioner-Refugees.php)

waaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaa... get used to it.

[SMOKEU]

:first: :jerry: :jerry:

[Pussy]

put them in a crate and send them back I say

....as deck cargo on a submarine.

[tigertim20]

what an absolute pack of cunts. I know people who are still sleeping on the floor of their inlaws lounge because their house is fucked, and they cant find a rental property for them and their kids, so their kids are staying with an uncle.

these ungrateful pieces of shit can fuck off back to somalia or wherever the fuck they came from.

I bet they arent out and about helping to rebuild christchurch, I bet the males havent applied for jobs as general labourers etc to take advantage of the scores of labouring work out there. Imagine how much these cunts could earn between them if they all got 2o hours a week labouring? theyd be able to buy their own fucking house.

If its so awful, they can fuck off back to their foodless, lawless, war torn, disease ridden shithole country they came from - KIWI families living in christchurch would love to have a four bedroom fucking house to stay in at the moment

[GingerMidget]

They can fuck off. And when they get there, they can fuck off some more.

Get off your asses, and find work, even damned volunteer crap, learn some basic hygiene skills, (cold showers never hurt me) and stop expecting everythin to be handed to you on a silver platter.

It stinks of victim mentality, and I can't be bothered with the BS.

Go home until you learn how to co-operate with a different society.

[puddytat]

These guys'll sort 'em261010

[thecharmed01]

what an absolute pack of cunts. I know people who are still sleeping on the floor of their inlaws lounge because their house is fucked, and they cant find a rental property for them and their kids, so their kids are staying with an uncle.

these ungrateful pieces of shit can fuck off back to somalia or wherever the fuck they came from.

I bet they arent out and about helping to rebuild christchurch, I bet the males havent applied for jobs as general labourers etc to take advantage of the scores of labouring work out there. Imagine how much these cunts could earn between them if they all got 2o hours a week labouring? theyd be able to buy their own fucking house.

If its so awful, they can fuck off back to their foodless, lawless, war torn, disease ridden shithole country they came from - KIWI families living in christchurch would love to have a four bedroom fucking house to stay in at the moment


I have to say, I'm not usually racist but man alive, that article actually got my blood boiling.
How can people be so ridiculous? I mean, you are on a benefit in a city that's gone through hell...

A Housing New Zealand spokeswoman said the agency told Refugee Services Warsame's family could not be housed in Christchurch "because we had no vacant homes".
She said the new arrivals moved into the Shirley state house without the permission of Housing New Zealand.

That made me cringe, why are they letting them in when they have no room for them??

oh and my favourite part...

Hayden said Warsame's family had turned down three houses in Christchurch because the family thought they were in the wrong suburb or too damp.


If the house is the right size, effing DEAL with a bit of damp - and as for being the wrong suburb, honestly, no one wants a whinging neighbor or a neighbor with the population of a small country in their house. So who is going to do worse things for the neighborhood? You or the mob lol

[300weatherby]

Open door immigration and ethnic/cultural mixing does NOT work!, just look at the shit state Britain is in because of it, bleeding heart social do gooders sponser worthless bottom of the heap rubbish refos into OUR country and teach them how to manipulate the welfare state, and that we must bend the knee to minority ethnic ideals, belief and behaviour. Just adding insult to injury, they are taught to believe they have RIGHTS over and above the average tax paying kiwi.

We have too much wrong in our own country to be pandering to the UN for political brownie points, and spending over a hundred million dollars a year on overseas aid that mostly doesn't even get to the gound after all the "ticket clipping". Our polititions should be spending OUR tax money on KIWI health and welfare first and only. How good would our heath system be then ? just imagine having a first world heath system in NZ for those of us that pay the taxes, but can't afford proper heathcare.

NO BLOODY REFOS IN NZ!!
NO BLOODY AID TO ANYONE UNTILL KIWIS ARE ARE GOOD!
:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

[98tls]

:facepalm:Whats the problem?this shits been going on for years and often ive made a point of pointing it out.As i said back then nobody will cry foul until its to late,just like everywhere else its happened.:laugh:Ridiculous.

[Fast Eddie]

haha this threads awesome..

few good quotes in that article

"taking shifts watching tv" - pretty hard life eh?

"kitchen turns into a restaurant.." - kinda sounds classy and not at all bad..

"Over the phone, two landlords told her: "We don't rent to Somalis"." - that wasnt 2 landlords that was 1, she called me twice.

"and the recent knife attacks have made everything even worse," - haha thats a given eh, its like a-rabs on a plane.. kinda makes ya nervous

[Geeen]

:facepalm:Whats the problem?this shits been going on for years and often ive made a point of pointing it out.As i said back then nobody will cry foul until its to late,just like everywhere else its happened.:laugh:Ridiculous.

Tend to agree. During my previous job I had to deal with lots of these sorts of people, and I have to say there are people from Somalia and f*cking Somalis, just the same as EVERY racial group I've encountered including Kiwis. The group in the OP seem to be the latter.

[tigertim20]

and I thought charity was supposed to start at home.

We have KIWIS we arent fucking looking after, kids that are getting shit education, etc etc etc, how come we spend money on these cunts?

[JimO]

so their kids are staying with an uncle.


Uncle Bully???

[porky]

Running out of ships to hijack.......moving on to countries

[tigertim20]

Uncle Bully???

Uncle peter.
or "mr file" as he encourages children to speak formally to adults.

[mashman]

We have KIWIS we arent fucking looking after, kids that are getting shit education, etc etc etc, how come we spend money on these cunts?

Coz some foreign agency says so... but it's better that they die at home rather than try to find a life somewhere.

[SMOKEU]

So how come no-one has cried "racist" yet? I thought by the end of the first page of this thread someone would have had a big cry about how intolerant New Zealanders are to these poor refugees who are escaping a war torn, third world nation.

[mashman]

So how come no-one has cried "racist" yet? I thought by the end of the first page of this thread someone would have had a big cry about how intolerant New Zealanders are to these poor refugees who are escaping a war torn, third world nation.

Coz this post says it all


Tend to agree. During my previous job I had to deal with lots of these sorts of people, and I have to say there are people from Somalia and f*cking Somalis, just the same as EVERY racial group I've encountered including Kiwis. The group in the OP seem to be the latter.

Race neutral. People specific

[Tigadee]

New Zealand has a quote of accepting 750 refugees each year as part of a deal with the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

And guess who's one of the most powerful people in the UN? That's right, the same cow that let these ungrateful refugees in!

[mashman]

And guess who's one of the most powerful people in the UN? That's right, the same cow that let these ungrateful refugees in!

you're gonna take it there eh... :yawn:

[Pussy]

I'm still in favour of sending the whinging pieces of shit AND their supporters back to Somalia.

[mashman]

I'm still in favour of sending the whinging pieces of shit AND their supporters back to Somalia.

you could fly them there, I'm sure they wouldn't mind snuggling together... as long as it isn't too damp.

[Woodman]

So how come no-one has cried "racist" yet? I thought by the end of the first page of this thread someone would have had a big cry about how intolerant New Zealanders are to these poor refugees who are escaping a war torn, third world nation.

Its not about race, its about ungrateful people that have come here from another country.

Nevertheless they need to be told to shut the fuck up and maybe keep a low profile for a wee while cos the Christchurch populace won't have any sympathy for them.

[Laava]

I lived in London for 3 yrs in a 4 bedroom house with 9-11 other people voluntarily, and we had to share a bathroom and if someone was doing a poo you had to wait till they were done and *sob* and.....and :crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:
Fuck me, I had a great time!

[Katman]

"The extended family of Somali refugees say they are living in Third World conditions".

Really?

Maybe they should fuck off back home and remind themselves what Third World conditions are really like.

[jasonu]

I lived in London for 3 yrs in a 4 bedroom house with 9-11 other people voluntarily, and we had to share a bathroom and if someone was doing a poo you had to wait till they were done and *sob* and.....and :crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:
Fuck me, I had a great time!

A bit like these guys ay...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue6j9zYzmP8

[Woodman]

"The extended family of Somali refugees say they are living in Third World conditions".

Really?

Maybe they should fuck off back home and remind themselves what Third World conditions are really like.

They should not have put themselves in a situation where this could happen .:bleh:

[thecharmed01]

I lived in London for 3 yrs in a 4 bedroom house with 9-11 other people voluntarily, and we had to share a bathroom and if someone was doing a poo you had to wait till they were done and *sob* and.....and :crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:
Fuck me, I had a great time!


hahaha that's cause you weren't living with those whingers!

[MSTRS]

...because the family thought they were in the wrong suburb ...

Heads up. Every suburb would be 'wrong'. Throughout the whole country. Nobody wants them.

[Usarka]

I lived in London for 3 yrs in a 4 bedroom house with 9-11 other people voluntarily, and we had to share a bathroom and if someone was doing a poo you had to wait till they were done and *sob* and.....and :crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:
Fuck me, I had a great time!

Sounds my old digs. Except we had a second bathroom (that we turned into a bedroom), and an ensuite in the downstairs bedroom that we got "banned" from using after someone did a shit on the toilet seat (didn't stop us though). Good times!

[Robert Taylor]

How many of you that are ( understandably ) whinging about these parasites continually voted Labour during the time that Clark was Priminister? A time during which she( ? ) added to her portfolio and made such decisions to secure a cushy job with the United League of Communists.

[hayd3n]

How many of you that are ( understandably ) whinging about these parasites continually voted Labour during the time that Clark was Priminister? A time during which she( ? ) added to her portfolio and made such decisions to secure a cushy job with the United League of Communists.

i voted bill n ben last time and alcp this time for shits n gigglers

[Usarka]

How many of you that are ( understandably ) whinging about these parasites continually voted Labour during the time that Clark was Priminister? A time during which she( ? ) added to her portfolio and made such decisions to secure a cushy job with the United League of Communists.

http://sleekupload.com/uploads_jpg/20/facepalm_4.jpg

[jimbo600]

And check this shit out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0hKEd6rzbeg

[Tigadee]

"The extended family of Somali refugees say they are living in Third World conditions".

Really?

Really! They're experts on the subject! :lol:

[Marmoot]

I don't get it. So, just because a Somali family complained about what's happening in NZ then all refugees should go away?

Besides, it IS happening, isn't it? Not just Somalis, but Maoris and some whites are experiencing the same too?

And what's the comment about the TV? Somalis shouldn't watch TV if they want to?

I really don't get it :mellow:

[MSTRS]

Surely you aren't that obtuse?
They come here from a shithole of a country, wracked by war, disease and famine. They get their passage for nothing. They are put in 'decent' houses (probably for the first time in their lives). Many (most?) don't have jobs. They keep to themselves and don't assimilate or learn the language.
In short - they live here as leeches.
And then they complain that things aren't good enough.

Come on...

[Asher]

I believe they arent allowed to take jobs froms nz citizens., well until they get their citizenship. Some refugees i used to know had to open a dairy to be able to have an income, which goes someway of explaining why dairys, fish and chip shops and other low capital businesses are owned by people who can barely speak english.

[jasonu]

I believe they arent allowed to take jobs froms nz citizens., well until they get their citizenship. Some refugees i used to know had to open a dairy to be able to have an income, which goes someway of explaining why dairys, fish and chip shops and other low capital businesses are owned by people who can barely speak english.

Where do you think they got the cash to buy/open the dairy?
My guess is some sort of government handout for the 'disadvantaged immigrant' via you and me and all of the other tax payers.

[Asher]

The family i knew was loaned the money by another family, for the others i dont know.
My point was, theres more to it then telling them to go get a job.

[Madness]

I believe they arent allowed to take jobs froms nz citizens., well until they get their citizenship. Some refugees i used to know had to open a dairy to be able to have an income, which goes someway of explaining why dairys, fish and chip shops and other low capital businesses are owned by people who can barely speak english.

You'll find that once a migrant is granted residency they're entitled to work, Citizenship is not a pre-requisite to work in N.Z. I've gotten to know hundreds of Dairy owners in a previous job and most of them entered into such businesses because they simply can't get employment anywhere else. Very few of them make any more than a subsistence income from it.

It's interesting to see the different clusters of cultures owning Dairy businesses in different regions. In Wellington the majority a Gujuraati Indians (Mr Patel), yet in Taranaki it's almost 100% Chinese and in South Auckland it's the Sikhs that dominate.

[Zedder]

How many of you that are ( understandably ) whinging about these parasites continually voted Labour during the time that Clark was Priminister? A time during which she( ? ) added to her portfolio and made such decisions to secure a cushy job with the United League of Communists.

New Zealand first accepted European refugees in 1944 while a Labour Government was in power.

However, it was a National led Government that signed the two binding agreements related to refugees in 1951 and 1967 and which have remained in force until today.

[mashman]

New Zealand first accepted European refugees in 1944 while a Labour Government was in power.

However, it was a National led Government that signed the two binding agreements related to refugees in 1951 and 1967 and which have remained in force until today.

fucksake that Clark can plan ahead.

[scracha]

Is being a rednecked racist cunt obligatory if you're from Christchurch?

[Bassmatt]

Is being a rednecked racist cunt obligatory if you're from Christchurch?

:yes:
:facepalm:

[Zedder]

fucksake that Clark can plan ahead.

Indeed she can Mash, 6 years before she was born in fact.

[puddytat]

How many of you that are ( understandably ) whinging about these parasites continually voted Labour during the time that Clark was Priminister? A time during which she( ? ) added to her portfolio and made such decisions to secure a cushy job with the United League of Communists.

Here you go Robert, we know you like to suck back a RED
261087

[Oblivion]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/6666929/Penniless-to-home-owners-in-six-years

They should take a leaf from these guys, instead of playing the victim. Like every other bludger does.

[Paul in NZ]

Look - I'm still not sure about Somalis myself. The country was just so damamged for so long anyone from there has to be so messed up you have to ask if they will ever adapt to a radically different place like NZ. Besides, being refugees - its not like they wanted to leave.

But looking at the bigger picture ask yourself this. How often have you read something in the media about (say) a motorcycle accident of motorcycles and ACC and thought that those fuckin journalists are always getting it wrong, mis quoting and placing things out of context to stirr up sensation..... Why wouldn't it be any different in this case. Who knows if the journalist went to them looking for a background story about the knife attacks and weaseled a few choice words and worked it up into a story that does not really exist.

I'd approach this story with caution myself.

[MSTRS]

Look - I'm still not sure about Somalis myself. The country was just so damamged for so long anyone from there has to be so messed up you have to ask if they will ever adapt to a radically different place like NZ. Besides, being refugees - its not like they wanted to leave.

But looking at the bigger picture ask yourself this. How often have you read something in the media about (say) a motorcycle accident of motorcycles and ACC and thought that those fuckin journalists are always getting it wrong, mis quoting and placing things out of context to stirr up sensation..... Why wouldn't it be any different in this case. Who knows if the journalist went to them looking for a background story about the knife attacks and weaseled a few choice words and worked it up into a story that does not really exist.

Fair point/s, Paul.
But we love a beat up...it takes our focus off things that really matter. Like the ACC-letters debacle, the cup-of-tea affair and Fat Gerry talking about Finland.

[avgas]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/6666929/Penniless-to-home-owners-in-six-years

They should take a leaf from these guys, instead of playing the victim. Like every other bludger does.
This was the approach by Vietnamese in Aussie. Most are now multimillionaires and assholes to boot.
Turns out the best place to money launder in Aussie is a bakery.

[Robert Taylor]

fucksake that Clark can plan ahead.

Indeed, to feather here own nest and to satisfy her shnky lesbian, pacifist ideals

[mashman]

Indeed, to feather here own nest and to satisfy her shnky lesbian, pacifist ideals

oh shit... I hope the other politicians don't catch on to that sort of thinking

[Robert Taylor]

oh shit... I hope the other politicians don't catch on to that sort of thinking

Their spelling might at least be better than it was in my post. But nonetheless we are certainly paying the price for nine long years of that vile bitch.

[mashman]

Their spelling might at least be better than it was in my post. But nonetheless we are certainly paying the price for nine long years of that vile bitch.

heh, I though you were missing keys on your keyboard, or were perhaps slightly inebriated... I think 9 long years did naff all in the grand scheme of things and highly doubt had the blues been in power that things would have been so different... although there may have been no assets left to sell :shifty: We're paying for centuries of self serving leadership, but hey, that's just my view :)

[Robert Taylor]

heh, I though you were missing keys on your keyboard, or were perhaps slightly inebriated... I think 9 long years did naff all in the grand scheme of things and highly doubt had the blues been in power that things would have been so different... although there may have been no assets left to sell :shifty: We're paying for centuries of self serving leadership, but hey, that's just my view :)

One thing is for certain, we would have had a credible Air Force left

[Tigadee]

One thing is for certain, we would have had a credible Air Force left

Who'd we bomb anyway? :confused:


Where do you think they got the cash to buy/open the dairy?
My guess is some sort of government handout for the 'disadvantaged immigrant' via you and me and all of the other tax payers.

Most borrow from family or friends, as Gov't or banks don't/won't lend to them. Some of the successful ones even go to the extent of setting up a trust fund for new immigrants so they can start up such businesses, 'cos nobody else is going to help them. Once they find their feet and make money, they give back to the fund to help other new immigrants.

Right attitude, I reckon, self-reliant pioneer spirit...

[SS90]

One thing is for certain, we would have had a credible Air Force left

Given that every modern generation of my Family owes it's long careers to the RNZAF, it may seem a little odd for me to say this, but a "credible Air Force" and New Zealand is somewhat of an oxymoron.

When has NZ had anything resembling a credible Airforce?

Worn out over houred A4's and BAC Mk88s have not been credible since, um, rem, the Korean war, no matter how modern the cockpit hardware is.

The nostalgic kid in me still looks up when I hear the distinctive roar of a jet aircraft, wanting it to be a Strikemaster, but even 30 years ago when I was a little kid playing out the back of our Airforce accommodation (which backed on to the crash paddock) these aircraft where obsolete.

To make NZ have a credible Airforce, is a financially impossible task, even if it was achievable, what would it then do? In my lifetime the only operations I can remember where yearly Submarine hunts in the Cook Islands (the same dates every year......?????) and multi force trainings like "Wise Owl", pffft.

The concept of Kiwiland going into any sort of Air combat fills me with dread.

We couldn't afford the fuel, let alone the cannon rounds. Or the hours on the airframes.

Now, a Coastguard, that's what NZ needs, a highly trained group of elite trained SAR specialists, with modern SAR equipment, long range photography, Radar, quick response ground crew and air to air refuelling.

As an Island nation, thats what Kiwiland needs, and this was highlighted last year when all the seismic activity in the South Island showed how exposed NZ is to disaster, compounded by it's geographical isolation.

A political party needs to address this situation before it's too late.

Just lime when Helen Clarke was stranded in OZ due to an Air New Zealand strike..... Not even our Air Force could save her... She sold all the aircraft, and what was left didn't have the fuel budget to come get her.

We hear about ACC rubbish, Maori squabbling, assets sales, but one thing NZ gets wrong rime and time again is that we don't know how to look after our own people.

A National shame. And a Labour one.

[oneofsix]

When has NZ had anything resembling a credible Airforce?

Worn out over houred A4's and BAC Mk88s have not been credible since, um, rem, the Korean war, no matter how modern the cockpit hardware is.

....

A National shame. And a Labour one.

Thought the A4s were Vietnam era, :Oops: picky

Yeah funny how pollys are al noise in opposition but shout up quick when in power. At least Helen had a vision, rose tinted and deluded, but a vision none the less.

[Zedder]

Given that every modern generation of my Family owes it's long careers to the RNZAF, it may seem a little odd for me to say this, but a "credible Air Force" and New Zealand is somewhat of an oxymoron.

When has NZ had anything resembling a credible Airforce?

Worn out over houred A4's and BAC Mk88s have not been credible since, um, rem, the Korean war, no matter how modern the cockpit hardware is.

The nostalgic kid in me still looks up when I hear the distinctive roar of a jet aircraft, wanting it to be a Strikemaster, but even 30 years ago when I was a little kid playing out the back of our Airforce accommodation (which backed on to the crash paddock) these aircraft where obsolete.

To make NZ have a credible Airforce, is a financially impossible task, even if it was achievable, what would it then do? In my lifetime the only operations I can remember where yearly Submarine hunts in the Cook Islands (the same dates every year......?????) and multi force trainings like "Wise Owl", pffft.

The concept of Kiwiland going into any sort of Air combat fills me with dread.

We couldn't afford the fuel, let alone the cannon rounds. Or the hours on the airframes.

Now, a Coastguard, that's what NZ needs, a highly trained group of elite trained SAR specialists, with modern SAR equipment, long range photography, Radar, quick response ground crew and air to air refuelling.

As an Island nation, thats what Kiwiland needs, and this was highlighted last year when all the seismic activity in the South Island showed how exposed NZ is to disaster, compounded by it's geographical isolation.

A political party needs to address this situation before it's too late.

Just lime when Helen Clarke was stranded in OZ due to an Air New Zealand strike..... Not even our Air Force could save her... She sold all the aircraft, and what was left didn't have the fuel budget to come get her.

We hear about ACC rubbish, Maori squabbling, assets sales, but one thing NZ gets wrong rime and time again is that we don't know how to look after our own people.

A National shame. And a Labour one.

A real Coastguard would be a great asset, not just for SAR but also more fisheries and customs work.

[SS90]

A real Coastguard would be a great asset, not just for SAR but also more fisheries and customs work.

True, which, coincidentally, is what the old "AirFarce" used to do as a primary operation.

Best investment on NZs future in my opinion.

[Zedder]

True, which, coincidentally, is what the old "AirFarce" used to do as a primary operation.

Best investment on NZs future in my opinion.

Maybe remodelling the entire NZ Defence Force into a Coastguard would be the way to go.

[oneofsix]

Maybe remodelling the entire NZ Defence Force into a Coastguard would be the way to go.

Not all but most would be agreeable. You still need some, like the SAS, that operate at an international level. Actually can't see much use for the fighting arm of an army domestically so perhaps keeping them in the so called peace keeping roll keeps their required skills at the level required should they ever be required to defend NZ.

[Zedder]

Not all but most would be agreeable. You still need some, like the SAS, that operate at an international level. Actually can't see much use for the fighting arm of an army domestically so perhaps keeping them in the so called peace keeping roll keeps their required skills at the level required should they ever be required to defend NZ.

The SAS could still be used in the Coastguard, they do have a maritime section 006.

[oneofsix]

The SAS could still be used in the Coastguard, they do have a maritime section 006.

maybe so but it would be a waste of talent and a reduction in usefulness. Also SAS as Coastguard? really? I strongly suspect there maritime section is far better than that, stealth boarding of fishing boats :rofl:

[Zedder]

maybe so but it would be a waste of talent and a reduction in usefulness. Also SAS as Coastguard? really? I strongly suspect there maritime section is far better than that, stealth boarding of fishing boats :rofl:

So drug courier boats wouldn't be a target for the SAS then?

[mashman]

One thing is for certain, we would have had a credible Air Force left

heh, as others have said that'd be a might tad expensive and short sighted given planes can be shot down without the pilot even seeing the "enemy"... however they do put on nice displays. Defence is an expensive business and we need to be smarter with our choice of weaponry. There's some very very good companies in NZ that specialise in the tech required, all we need is a manufacturing plant :). Unless we develop completely invisible and undetectable aircraft (do they exist already? heh) then it's pointless. I don't see fighting a non existant enemy a good use of very limited resources.

[oneofsix]

So drug courier boats wouldn't be a target for the SAS then?

You been watching too much US TV. In NZ they are mainly container ships etc and it isn't the SAS type of action that is required, more better boarder control via customs etc. Once you get the existing boarder control up to a level where they can inspect more than 50% of the containers and ships carrying them then you might create a drug boat issue and then to get a boat to NZ it would still be of a size a petrol boat and the navy could handle.

[Zedder]

You been watching too much US TV. In NZ they are mainly container ships etc and it isn't the SAS type of action that is required, more better boarder control via customs etc. Once you get the existing boarder control up to a level where they can inspect more than 50% of the containers and ships carrying them then you might create a drug boat issue and then to get a boat to NZ it would still be of a size a petrol boat and the navy could handle.

Don't be so patronising OO6, a lot of drug trafficking to NZ is carried out by small boats according to Customs and MFAT info.

More interceptor vessels and personnel would greatly help to reduce the problem.

[oneofsix]

Don't be so patronising OO6, a lot of drug trafficking to NZ is carried out by small boats according to Customs and MFAT info.

More interceptor vessels and personnel would greatly help to reduce the problem.

So you agree it is navy and not SAS then, thanks.

[Paul in NZ]

Don't be so patronising OO6, a lot of drug trafficking to NZ is carried out by small boats according to Customs and MFAT info.

More interceptor vessels and personnel would greatly help to reduce the problem.

They could give fisheries a hand too.... Bastard poachers....

[MSTRS]

But, boss, it's my customary right as Tangata Whenua to pillage the kai moana.
And undersize? Nup. Best ones to take are the young one. Taste better and can't breed yet. Any that are cunning enough to evade us will grow up and breed, cos only the smart ones should breed. You got kids yet, boss?

[Zedder]

So you agree it is navy and not SAS then, thanks.

If I meant Navy, I would have said it.

My original suggestion was about a combined forces Coastguard.

It could mean deploying multiple smaller units of defence personnel and vessels, aircraft etc (whoever and whatever they may be) but it's about doing it better and making NZ waters safer. Specialist units do that very well. Australia for instance, has a Ready Reaction Force solely based in the Northern Territory.

[avgas]

Your kinda missing the point of a defense force.
Guns are cool
http://www.joerib.com/wp-content/uploads/najn8jtz6jmgrwaf03zgh7efo1_500.jpg
and turn these
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gBapbJsxjrA/SlKfskfC5uI/AAAAAAAAAMs/gIXQEMwPAHI/s400/hoodlums.jpg
into these
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4UJuh4kX-jI/TT9YVwqrrcI/AAAAAAAAANc/LQPJZbsxsnw/s1600/Soldiers.jpg
and hopefully into these
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GHV5rXRHqvA/THwUmX4it5I/AAAAAAAAGx4/oYzB74byB40/s400/hard+working+man.jpg

It was never about war against our enemies, it was the war against complacency.
Instead we are promoting this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7sf1yrB6Oi4/SkLCM69s7KI/AAAAAAAADr0/Sajwcgy_OVw/s400/image.axd.jpg
http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/tairawhiti_benefit_protest.jpg
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/109480804.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892102A727B1636DE2E617AEFED761035414 5A0E59C5316D0B7332C57346C248285D

If you take away all the toys - people will simply give up on the forces and pursue a career on Xbox instead.

[mashman]

If you take away all the toys - people will simply give up on the forces and pursue a career on Xbox instead.

only if you give them offer better to do... and the NZ HarmMe isn't going to be to everyone's taste.

[Zedder]

It would still be a Defence Force but it would be defending against drug smugglers, fisheries poachers, whinging refugees etc.

There would be guns too, lots of guns.

[Tigadee]

Wasn't there a time when people had to serve in the armed forces just to be allowed citizenship or residency?

So maybe refugees should be made to serve the community as a price of being accepted into this country...

[avgas]

It would still be a Defence Force but it would be defending against drug smugglers, fisheries poachers, whinging refugees etc.
There would be guns too, lots of guns.
What about jets and tanks?
Not all of us wanted to be waterboys

[puddytat]

Anti shipping rockets,patriot missile systems, & a few drones should sort it....Oh and we'd need only one nuke.

[Zedder]

What about jets and tanks?
Not all of us wanted to be waterboys

What's the budget?

[avgas]

What's the budget?
2 sinking (sorry "water boarding") ANZAC frigates worth would do me - do we have warrenty on those that we can claim back?

[Zedder]

2 sinking (sorry "water boarding") ANZAC frigates worth would do me - do we have warrenty on those that we can claim back?

Yeah, sad story those frigates. Maybe some sort of lease back to the Aussies for submarine training and put a claim in as well.

[avgas]

Yeah, sad story those frigates. Maybe some sort of lease back to the Aussies for submarine training and put a claim in as well.
Especially considering we still have skyhawks and all they need is gas.
What happened to our old Scorpions? Where are they now? anyone know?

[mashman]

railguns for me please.

[Zedder]

railguns for me please.

Love 'em bro!

[Robert Taylor]

Thought the A4s were Vietnam era, :Oops: picky

Yeah funny how pollys are al noise in opposition but shout up quick when in power. At least Helen had a vision, rose tinted and deluded, but a vision none the less.

In fairness the A4s gave a very good account of themselves in 82 in the Falklands war. The Argentine Air force was the only service that gave a good account of itself, although they were the enemy all respect to those brave Argentine pilots.

Helen sure had a vision alright, to create more people that voted for a living and less that actually worked for a living. That is a blueprint to keep socialist parties in power

[Robert Taylor]

True, which, coincidentally, is what the old "AirFarce" used to do as a primary operation.

Best investment on NZs future in my opinion.

Absolutely, we seem to have this benign belief that we will never be threatened. Given that fresh water, primary foodstuffs and sea harvest will be even more scarce in the future who is willing to argue that 100 million or more Indonesians and their equally unsavoury mates wont be eyeing up Australia and its almost totally undefended neighbour in years to come?

A credible defence force with overhead air cover should be a certainty and not a political football, that is one thing the Aussies have got very right.

And we as New Zealanders should not be freeloading off them.

[pete376403]

We're going to need a pretty big air force, then, just to keep up with Indonesia, let alone all their unsavoury mates..
The Indonesian Air Force has 34,930 personnel[citation needed] equipped with 110 combat aircraft including Su-27 and Su-30.[1] (wikipedia)


Like to suggest where the money for this is going to come from? Tax increase on small business owners, perhaps?

[arkeo]

[...] Let one or two in and then open the floodgates to all their hanger on relies.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6670704/11-into-four-bedrooms-won-t-go

Ungrateful pricks insulting NZ for forcing them to live in third world conditions in Chch. Our own people are suffering in Chch, why should these refugees expect preferential treatment?



This is a very delicate question. Of course what I am going to say is not to meddle (I do not forget that I am a foreign guest here) but just to remark how things may be viewed in different terms. Italy is more or less a gate for Africa, and historical reasons (basically, Catholicism and a sound socialist tradition) favor uncontrolled immigration, just to use an euphemism. The scenario described in the link is everyday here, to an extent that may be difficult to realize from your green paradise.

I live in a small center that is (unfortunately, because I love quiet and green) rapidly growing. Many constructions have been made, 90% unsold because of the economic crisis. But all the cellars available (I mean underground warehouses, I am not sure of the term) have been quickly bought by Chinese bosses who in turn rent the rooms to poor people to live and work. They live in very poor condition; being mainly clandestine they seldom go out, spending weeks without seeing the sky, 10-20 per room. I could hardly imagine the level of hygiene and discomfort.

I try to take their role and imagine myself desperate, seeking for a better place to live in, but on the other hand I feel as I were pressed by some kind of invasion. So, I try to avoid judgments even if, I admit, is very difficult.

All this to say that as far as I can tell, NZ has the tremendous advantage of being far and isolate, so it is possible to decide what to do with immigration policies. I think that there are no other countries in the whole world that are at the same time civilized and far from some important problems that plague nearly the rest of the planet.

EDIT: as for the preferential treatment, consider that in Italy it suffice to be immigrant for being at the top of the lists for services, that are of course limited. In some cases there are more than 50-70% sons of immigrant in the schools, so many Italians, even not wealthy not to say poor, have to pay both school for children and other services.

cheers!

A.

[gammaguy]

Absolutely, we seem to have this benign belief that we will never be threatened. Given that fresh water, primary foodstuffs and sea harvest will be even more scarce in the future who is willing to argue that 100 million or more Indonesians and their equally unsavoury mates wont be eyeing up Australia and its almost totally undefended neighbour in years to come?

A credible defence force with overhead air cover should be a certainty and not a political football, that is one thing the Aussies have got very right.

And we as New Zealanders should not be freeloading off them.

give me a break

either you have never been to Indonesia(I have,many times)or when you were there you were asleep

Indonesia is easily self sufficient in water,food and a whole lot besides.

Its Vast land and sea mass sees to that

Granted,it is one of the most corrupt and poorly managed countries on earth,but that is the very reason why a concerted effort to invade and take over NZ is very unlikely indeed.

Yes,we dont know how lucky we are,but I can assure you NZ does not have the monopoly on anything,and whatever we have here,there are plenty of other places that have more of it.

Except maybe for cow shit

[short-circuit]

give me a break

either you have never been to Indonesia(I have,many times)or when you were there you were asleep

Indonesia is easily self sufficient in water,food and a whole lot besides.

Its Vast land and sea mass sees to that

Granted,it is one of the most corrupt and poorly managed countries on earth,but that is the very reason why a concerted effort to invade and take over NZ is very unlikely indeed.

Yes,we dont know how lucky we are,but I can assure you NZ does not have the monopoly on anything,and whatever we have here,there are plenty of other places that have more of it.

Except maybe for cow shit

...and horse shit - produced by countless blowhards like RT

[Robert Taylor]

...and horse shit - produced by countless blowhards like RT

I think Ive got a much better record than you re offering useful information on this site. Apologies for daring to express opinion.

[Robert Taylor]

We're going to need a pretty big air force, then, just to keep up with Indonesia, let alone all their unsavoury mates..
The Indonesian Air Force has 34,930 personnel[citation needed] equipped with 110 combat aircraft including Su-27 and Su-30.[1] (wikipedia)


Like to suggest where the money for this is going to come from? Tax increase on small business owners, perhaps?

The whole point is we dont even make any attempt to show that we are interested in defending ourselves. With zero effort why should anyone help us if we are threatened?

[Robert Taylor]

give me a break

either you have never been to Indonesia(I have,many times)or when you were there you were asleep

Indonesia is easily self sufficient in water,food and a whole lot besides.

Its Vast land and sea mass sees to that

Granted,it is one of the most corrupt and poorly managed countries on earth,but that is the very reason why a concerted effort to invade and take over NZ is very unlikely indeed.

Yes,we dont know how lucky we are,but I can assure you NZ does not have the monopoly on anything,and whatever we have here,there are plenty of other places that have more of it.

Except maybe for cow shit

Many Australians may care to argue that point with you.

[Robert Taylor]

We're going to need a pretty big air force, then, just to keep up with Indonesia, let alone all their unsavoury mates..
The Indonesian Air Force has 34,930 personnel[citation needed] equipped with 110 combat aircraft including Su-27 and Su-30.[1] (wikipedia)


Like to suggest where the money for this is going to come from? Tax increase on small business owners, perhaps?

Spend nothing on Somalian refugess and others of their ilk for starters

Trim the welfare budget, which is still out of control

Instil a culture of working for a living rtaher than voting for a living. Some way to go there.

We afforded a small Air strike Force before, we can again

[Tigadee]

Anti shipping rockets,patriot missile systems, & a few drones should sort it....

Drones are a good idea... Low cost/maintenance, easy training and large pool of potential pilots thanks to the xBox and PS3. :laugh:

[Tigadee]

The whole point is we dont even make any attempt to show that we are interested in defending ourselves. With zero effort why should anyone help us if we are threatened?

Because unless we've suddenly struck a huge oil/gas/gold/diamond field, we're not really all that important (even strategically) and so not worth invading. We don't control shipping routes, we don't produce high-technology products, refine or produce large amounts of oil/gas, etc.

The Aussies would be the more likely target for valuable resources from land to water to precious metals to oil/gas. And there are enough mutual protection agreements in place that Oz and NZ would be protected in the event of a conventional large-scale invasion. Even China would assist Oz because they would not want the largest Muslim country in the world to gain access to uranium.

Plus, warfare is rarely fought on a large conventional scale any longer, not since the Gulf wars. Most conflicts are now fought on a small-scale unconventional manner. AND we're more likely to be bought over than to be invaded militarily...

[Robert Taylor]

Because unless we've suddenly struck a huge oil/gas/gold/diamond field, we're not really all that important (even strategically) and so not worth invading. We don't control shipping routes, we don't produce high-technology products, refine or produce large amounts of oil/gas, etc.

The Aussies would be the more likely target for valuable resources from land to water to precious metals to oil/gas. And there are enough mutual protection agreements in place that Oz and NZ would be protected in the event of a conventional large-scale invasion. Even China would assist Oz because they would not want the largest Muslim country in the world to gain access to uranium.

Plus, warfare is rarely fought on a large conventional scale any longer, not since the Gulf wars. Most conflicts are now fought on a small-scale unconventional manner. AND we're more likely to be bought over than to be invaded militarily...

Fair points but of course who knows how big our oil and gas reserves really are? Certainly also our fishery reserves are huge and more and moreso in the future we are a gateway to the Antarctic.

For those who are not prepared to learn from histories mistakes it is also fair to point out that we were very much under threat of invasion between 1941 to 43. Its lucky a few naval and air battles changed that horrible possibility

[MSTRS]

For those who are not prepared to learn from histories mistakes it is also fair to point out that we were very much under threat of invasion between 1941 to 43. Its lucky a few naval and air battles changed that horrible possibility

An expansionist military power using the opportunity of a world occupied by war in Europe saw a chance. Are we really likely to have such a situation again?
Doubtful.
Takeover by stealth is much more likely. You can't fight refugees...

[avgas]

Because unless we've suddenly struck a huge oil/gas/gold/diamond field, we're not really all that important (even strategically) and so not worth invading. We don't control shipping routes, we don't produce high-technology products, refine or produce large amounts of oil/gas, etc.
And when the rest is gone elsewhere?
Here is hoping the Chinese have bought us out by then........otherwise we are ......whats the iraqi word for 'fucked'?

[Paul in NZ]

Trim the welfare budget, which is still out of control

Instil a culture of working for a living rtaher than voting for a living. Some way to go there.

I can think of several ways of doing this.

Downers (for just 1 example) import Phillipino fibre jointers by the boatload for UFB / RBI initiatives. There are not enough skilled jointers in NZ (they say). Translation, they can pay the other guys less.

Remember the Telcos are getting a govt subsidy to roll this out. A condition should have been to provide the work to locals. Many existing jointers could have been upskilled easily and made room for youngsters to get into the game and learn some genuinely useful skills.

[Swoop]

Especially considering we still have skyhawks and all they need is gas.
What happened to our old Scorpions? Where are they now? anyone know?

New Zealand Scorpions: (http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1153.html)

New Zealand purchased 26 Scorpions as reconnaissance vehicles and tank training expedient and these entered service in August 1982. These have since been withdrawn from service and sold.



Sold = http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=151748

[avgas]

New Zealand Scorpions: (http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1153.html)

New Zealand purchased 26 Scorpions as reconnaissance vehicles and tank training expedient and these entered service in August 1982. These have since been withdrawn from service and sold.



Sold = http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=151748
Cheers for that - did always wonder.

Why didn't we get LAV-AD/AT.......they are so much cooler looking
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/blazer/images/blazer5.jpg (not to mention more practical for NZ)

Who you gonna scare with a 25mm?

[oneofsix]

Cheers for that - did always wonder.

Why didn't we get LAV-AD/AT.......they are so much cooler looking
(not to mention more practical for NZ)

Who you gonna scare with a 25mm?

The Govt. didn't even want the 25mm. If it wasn't going to cost more to redesign the LAV not to have the 25mm it wouldn't be there.

[Tigadee]

whats the iraqi word for 'fucked'?

'Bush'... :lol:

[scracha]

Their spelling might at least be better than it was in my post. But nonetheless we are certainly paying the price for nine long years of that vile bitch.


Could have been worse....we had 11 years of that bitch Margaret Thatcher raping our country


heh, as others have said that'd be a might tad expensive and short sighted given planes can be shot down without the pilot even seeing the "enemy"... however they do put on nice displays. Defence is an expensive business and we need to be smarter with our choice of weaponry.

http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/missilemanbook.shtml

Oh wait....we bowed to foreign interests and "shot him down"




Downers (for just 1 example) import Phillipino fibre jointers by the boatload for UFB / RBI initiatives. There are not enough skilled jointers in NZ (they say). Translation, they can pay the other guys less.

Remember the Telcos are getting a govt subsidy to roll this out. A condition should have been to provide the work to locals. Many existing jointers could have been upskilled easily and made room for youngsters to get into the game and learn some genuinely useful skills.

Yeah, the whole RBI is fucking criminal. Wonder who has shares in the big Telcos. Agree on the jointers too. Why the hell aren't Kiwis doing this? Bonkers.

My other bugbear is call-centres. I can kinda understand using folks in Maylasia due to the wages.....what I can't understand is when I ring an 0800 support number and end up speaking to an Aussie. I mean...both countries speak native(ish) English but the one with > 30% higher wages gets the work. Says a lot about NCEA if you ask me.

[gatch]

I like how this thread has gone from giving somalis a burst, to what we should do with our poos air force.

We could get some sweet second hand A10's for fuck all. They are a bit like farmers. Slow, can take a massive hiding and can still carry about a 7ton payload.

[Tigadee]

We could get some sweet second hand A10's for fuck all. They are a bit like farmers. Slow, can take a massive hiding and can still carry about a 7ton payload.

Farmers? :scratch:

Uhhh, but they fire depleted uranium slugs, which won't be permitted by the nuclear-free types... They'll be up in arms although that's an oxymoron.

[SMOKEU]

Cheers for that - did always wonder.

Why didn't we get LAV-AD/AT.......they are so much cooler looking
(not to mention more practical for NZ)

Who you gonna scare with a 25mm?

They have those on BF3. Awesome for shooting down choppers.

[Robert Taylor]

Could have been worse....we had 11 years of that bitch Margaret Thatcher raping our country



http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/missilemanbook.shtml

Oh wait....we bowed to foreign interests and "shot him down"



Yeah, the whole RBI is fucking criminal. Wonder who has shares in the big Telcos. Agree on the jointers too. Why the hell aren't Kiwis doing this? Bonkers.

My other bugbear is call-centres. I can kinda understand using folks in Maylasia due to the wages.....what I can't understand is when I ring an 0800 support number and end up speaking to an Aussie. I mean...both countries speak native(ish) English but the one with > 30% higher wages gets the work. Says a lot about NCEA if you ask me.

So you arent purchasing a DVD then of ''The Iron Lady''? I have watched that movie twice and it bought a tear or two to my eye of fond memories of that awesome woman. The biggest problem is actually what followed 97 on, inclusive of that totally inept Scotchman who was chancellor of the excheqour( sold the gold ) and then Prime money waster. Not before time was he got rid of and I dont envy David Camerons task. Its notable that like Callaghans Government before them both Labour Governments have essentially bankrupted Britain.
I guess they've got their problems also with refugess from Somalia with their hands out, and it was a Labour Government that massively accelerated immigration to an already overcrowded country.

[ellipsis]

types... They'll be up in arms although that's an oxymoron.

...no it's not..

[Berries]

I have watched that movie twice and it bought a tear or two to my eye of fond memories of that awesome woman.
I may shed a tear when she snuffs it later this year, but it certainly won't be through sadness.

[mashman]

Could have been worse....we had 11 years of that bitch Margaret Thatcher raping our country

http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/missilemanbook.shtml

Oh wait....we bowed to foreign interests and "shot him down"


heh, she was the start of the end for the UK. She may well have been a strong leader and a great statesman, but she opened the door to corporatism in the UK and signed off on its death, her and her pal Ronny. A tad dramatic maybe, but history doesn't show anything different.

Now I don't read as a rule, but that looks like it'd be something slightly different to your run of the mill book. I'll keep an eye open for it and if I ever see it I'll get it.

[pete376403]

Takeover by stealth is much more likely. You can't fight refugees...

Isn't this where this thread started?

[scracha]

So you arent purchasing a DVD then of ''The Iron Lady''? I have watched that movie twice and it bought a tear or two to my eye of fond memories of that awesome woman. The biggest problem is actually what followed 97 on, inclusive of that totally inept Scotchman who was chancellor of the excheqour( sold the gold ) and then Prime money waster. Not before time was he got rid of and I dont envy David Camerons task. Its notable that like Callaghans Government before them both Labour Governments have essentially bankrupted Britain.
I guess they've got their problems also with refugess from Somalia with their hands out, and it was a Labour Government that massively accelerated immigration to an already overcrowded country.

Thatcher: Sold of our (Scotland's) oil throughout the 80's, sold all our state houses, privatised (sold) most UK assets (FFS she charged the poor sods in England and Wales for their own water) and still couldn't balance the books. Probably due largely to the UK having the highest unemployment in Western Europe during her reign; even with the Tories dodgy YTS (Youth Training Scheme) to keep the figures artificially low. She wasn't savvy enough strip the best assets (human and capital) from Hong Kong. Pretty much destroyed UK manufacturing. Of course a service economy is far better than actually making tangible things. Far better we import cars, ships, locomotives and coal. Stopped free school milk. Brought in student loans for university students. Illegally taxed Scotland at a different rate (Poll Tax). Trained the Khymer Rouge. Illegally bombed Libya. Supported the pro apartheid South African government.

As for bankrupting Britain......UK national debt as a % of GDP was largely flat at around 45% since the mid 70's. Neither Harold Wilson nor Callaghan raised it? Can hardly blame them for the 70's energy crisis either.

Blaming Gordon Brown as Chancellor? By that you must be referencing the 10 years of continued economic growth, record employment levels and stable inflation and interest rates. So long as inflation targets were met, the BoE was largely left to its own devices when Labour came into power....pretty much in-line with Tory and Lib Dem policy. One could equally argue that Thatcher's "Right To Buy" policy led to the housing and subsequent (fake) equity boom that's got the UK in a right bloody mess.

Just because some folks in had the good fortune to be in the right place at the right time or got lucky on "the property ladder" doesn't make Thatcher a hero.

[SS90]

Thatcher: Sold of our (Scotland's) oil throughout the 80's, sold all our state houses, privatised (sold) most UK assets (FFS she charged the poor sods in England and Wales for their own water) and still couldn't balance the books. Probably due largely to the UK having the highest unemployment in Western Europe during her reign; even with the Tories dodgy YTS (Youth Training Scheme) to keep the figures artificially low. She wasn't savvy enough strip the best assets (human and capital) from Hong Kong. Pretty much destroyed UK manufacturing. Of course a service economy is far better than actually making tangible things. Far better we import cars, ships, locomotives and coal. Stopped free school milk. Brought in student loans for university students. Illegally taxed Scotland at a different rate (Poll Tax). Trained the Khymer Rouge. Illegally bombed Libya. Supported the pro apartheid South African government.

As for bankrupting Britain......UK national debt as a % of GDP was largely flat at around 45% since the mid 70's. Neither Harold Wilson nor Callaghan raised it? Can hardly blame them for the 70's energy crisis either.

Blaming Gordon Brown as Chancellor? By that you must be referencing the 10 years of continued economic growth, record employment levels and stable inflation and interest rates. So long as inflation targets were met, the BoE was largely left to its own devices when Labour came into power....pretty much in-line with Tory and Lib Dem policy. One could equally argue that Thatcher's "Right To Buy" policy led to the housing and subsequent (fake) equity boom that's got the UK in a right bloody mess.

Just because some folks in had the good fortune to be in the right place at the right time or got lucky on "the property ladder" doesn't make Thatcher a hero.


Ah yes, "Thatcher the Milk snatcher", let us not forget how she actually had the Welsh and Yorkshire mines CEMENTED closed in order to destroy the unions, at the same time importing coal, as the transition to gas for electricity generation was not suitable for industrial factory use.

Revenge for the coal mine unions shutting down parliament in the mid 70's? Seems likely doesn't it.

Now, there is a multi million pound scheme to remove all off the cement from the coal mines, so they can again access it, as the logic is why send your money off shore?

If anyone doesn't think the UK is in the shit needs their head read.

[Tigadee]

even with the dodgy TS (Training Scheme) to keep the figures artificially low. Pretty much destroyed local manufacturing. Of course a service economy is far better than actually making tangible things. Far better we import cars, ships, locomotives and coal. Stopped free school milk. Brought in student loans for university students. Illegally taxed at a different rate (Poll Tax).

As for bankrupting ......national debt as a % of GDP was largely flat at around 45% since the mid 70's.

So long as inflation targets were met, the Treasury was largely left to its own devices when Labour came into power....pretty much in-line with policy. One could equally argue that "Right To Buy" policy led to the housing and subsequent (fake) equity boom that's got the ** in a right bloody mess.

That's right!

Uhhhhh, we are talking about New Zealand, right?

[300weatherby]

We are going to lose our country without a shot being fired by anybody.Our own stupid political system is going to be used against us to take it way. The Chinese population in Auckland outnumbers the Pacific Island and Maori populations combined, we are seeing Indian and Chinese Mayors and polititions now, what is going to happen when either/iether (or both at once)of those "ethnic groups" figure out that with a little organisation, they can use MMP to seize power in NZ, the same as the Green and Maori parties would like to do now.

When they have the MMP based power to bend the Govt of the day, they will look to open the immigration laws in favour of their own, improving the number base even more, gaining evermore influence politically, thereby able to have greater and greater policy say untill the day arrives when they can do a deal with a minor party and take control.

When that happens NZ as we know it is lost.China will then be able to turn NZ into it's offshore farm just as it is doing in other 3rd word countries around the globe.No more gravy train for fat greedy Moari want this, deserve that self agenda based types then....

Better start learning Chinese now, cause it could start happening in our lifetime, historically, the Chinese play the long game, one inch at a time over decades and generations. :angry2:

[Madness]

I don't like Chinese. I much prefer a good Malaysian or Indian.

[300weatherby]

I don't like Chinese. I much prefer a good Malaysian or Indian.

Inch at a time, or all at once?

[Madness]

Inch at a time, or all at once?

I usually eat the whole thing and if I'm hungry I'll have a starter as well. Mmmmm, Samosas.

[98tls]

We are going to lose our country without a shot being fired by anybody.Our own stupid political system is going to be used against us to take it way. The Chinese population in Auckland outnumbers the Pacific Island and Maori populations combined, we are seeing Indian and Chinese Mayors and polititions now, what is going to happen when either/iether (or both at once)of those "ethnic groups" figure out that with a little organisation, they can use MMP to seize power in NZ, the same as the Green and Maori parties would like to do now.



This country was lost way before MMP though i will conceed that was pretty much the final nail in the coffin,if not then working for pacific island familys/dont discipline your children was.Skinnys running around with knives is pretty much monkey see monkey do all things considered,what i find amusing is the outrage over skinnys but the acceptance of other flotsam washed up on our shores that have being doing the same for years.

[jasonu]

We are going to lose our country without a shot being fired by anybody.Our own stupid political system is going to be used against us to take it way. The Chinese population in Auckland outnumbers the Pacific Island and Maori populations combined, we are seeing Indian and Chinese Mayors and polititions now, what is going to happen when either/iether (or both at once)of those "ethnic groups" figure out that with a little organisation, they can use MMP to seize power in NZ, the same as the Green and Maori parties would like to do now.

When they have the MMP based power to bend the Govt of the day, they will look to open the immigration laws in favour of their own, improving the number base even more, gaining evermore influence politically, thereby able to have greater and greater policy say untill the day arrives when they can do a deal with a minor party and take control.

When that happens NZ as we know it is lost.China will then be able to turn NZ into it's offshore farm just as it is doing in other 3rd word countries around the globe.No more gravy train for fat greedy Moari want this, deserve that self agenda based types then....

Better start learning Chinese now, cause it could start happening in our lifetime, historically, the Chinese play the long game, one inch at a time over decades and generations. :angry2:

Really scarey mate. I saw all this coming in the late 90's when we had the influx of chinese from Hong Kong arrive. They bought up all east Auckland real estate as fast as they could (pushing the medium house price in Auckland up thousands per month and out of the reach of a lot of young NZers), set up their own communities with shops, restaurants, etc, filled the schools with their kids who didn't speak much if any english which took up most of the teachers attention and so disadvantaged the NZ kids and didn't even try to integrate with the locals.
10+ years later they have more than a foot hold as you say so maybe now too late to do anything about it but try to vote out MMP.

[avgas]

Meh SSDD as far as I am concerned.
3rd Generation Chinese/Kiwi is as arrogant as 3rd Generation Pom/Kiwi.
If the chinese are going to take us over, we should really be watching Hong Kong's Performance to see how we might look in 20 years..........may not be a bad thing.
Our old path was copying the UK/Aus/USA...............who's track record is no better than China's when you think about it.

[kevfromcoro]

I don't like Chinese. I much prefer a good Malaysian or Indian.

Yeah...
But the chinese are good roots..
Well the girls are..
Not to sure about the blokes

[jasonu]

Yeah...
But the chinese are good roots..
Well the girls are..
Not to sure about the blokes

Watch out for the girlyboys...

[The Everlasting]

Yeah if they don't like it,they can certainly fuck off back to somalia.

Those refugees should be made to get jobs in christchurch(there is heaps of work),and if they refuse,deport the bastards.

[SS90]

Yeah if they don't like it,they can certainly fuck off back to somalia.

Those refugees should be made to get jobs in christchurch(there is heaps of work),and if they refuse,deport the bastards.

This does bring up a valid point, with all the work available in Christchurch, why are there any of these "immigrants" receiving benefits for? Oh yea, that's right...... We are not allowed to actually FORCE them to work, are we......:blink:

[Woodman]

We are going to lose our country without a shot being fired by anybody.Our own stupid political system is going to be used against us to take it way. The Chinese population in Auckland outnumbers the Pacific Island and Maori populations combined, we are seeing Indian and Chinese Mayors and polititions now, what is going to happen when either/iether (or both at once)of those "ethnic groups" figure out that with a little organisation, they can use MMP to seize power in NZ, the same as the Green and Maori parties would like to do now.

When they have the MMP based power to bend the Govt of the day, they will look to open the immigration laws in favour of their own, improving the number base even more, gaining evermore influence politically, thereby able to have greater and greater policy say untill the day arrives when they can do a deal with a minor party and take control.

When that happens NZ as we know it is lost.China will then be able to turn NZ into it's offshore farm just as it is doing in other 3rd word countries around the globe.No more gravy train for fat greedy Moari want this, deserve that self agenda based types then....

Better start learning Chinese now, cause it could start happening in our lifetime, historically, the Chinese play the long game, one inch at a time over decades and generations. :angry2:

Now you know how the Maoris feel, and there have been Chinese immigrants in new Zealand since the 1840s, which is probarbly a lot longer than a lot on here can trace their families back in NZ. Personally I think a lot of anti-immigration angst is race based.

New Zealand is an infant when it comes to colonisation and the mix of people hasn't really been sorted yet, but in saying that I don't want the population to increase any more than it is now.

[Tigadee]

When that happens NZ as we know it is lost.China will then be able to turn NZ into it's offshore farm just as it is doing in other 3rd word countries around the globe.No more gravy train for fat greedy Moari want this, deserve that self agenda based types then....

Better start learning Chinese now, cause it could start happening in our lifetime, historically, the Chinese play the long game, one inch at a time over decades and generations. :angry2:

Shit, better the Chinese than the Muslims, matey! At least the Chinese appreciate smarts, hard work and business sense...

[insane1]

well fuck me if they do that why not just shoot them prob solved ,either that or export the back to where the fuck they came from pref in a sinking ship.