is chris from KR a ego head

[mikey]

ok heres the go, or iin my case no go.

the guy chris from kiwi rider, who is organising a track day has decided after the 4 of my posts that he definitly doesnt want me at the track. i say its a bit harsh so let rip a bit.



i think you would get your ass kicked on a 250, even in the slow group, majority of bikes on six hundreds up wards.
i hate it when cunts ride slow in front of me, so i show the courtesy of not putting others through it, which is what you would be doing if you..... especially when people have paid to race. reason i didnt go out on saturday.
ill still be holding other people up an feel obliged to move out of there way, if i was on a CBR1000 doing max speed down a straight i would be screaming green red an blue murder if there was someone on a 250 ruining my line into the corner, possibly sending me off the track to avoid hitting him, wouldn you?
I was helping you out on saturdday. By not entering my 250 you might not make a sale of 90 bucks but the quality of everyone elses track time was better and they are more likely to come back next time.As I was nice enough to not enter how about letting me in for free. in september :devil2: if your letting 250s in, what about a scooter, if someone pays there fee... an honest not modest review of my riding is i was once a slow cunt an stil am. but my bike only cost 2 grand so i am not fazed about dropping it so go a little faster
see ya there cunt.(TRASH)no no no no no what i mean is i am just getting into a c orner at say a hundred when somone else is coming full fucking throttle an im right in there line, would be like be hitting a brick wall. anywho
seeing as everyone so keen to be held up an so on
im a going to enter
then you can moan about how slow i am afterwards. cant say i didnt warn you.

an he decided he doesnt want me there. ffs i was sharing an opinion as this is a website with forums where people voice opinions an stuff. after seeing the slow group at the last day, they were all on big bikes, especially after what happened on saturday i would concerned that guys with bikes 3 times faster are in the same group as me.

[White trash]

Well, if somone can decide from a few posts on a website, wether or not you're suitable to attend a track day, I'd say I'm not welcome either. I aint gonna vote, because I don't know Chris, so can't say. I can say that I wont be attending the Kiwi Rider track day at Manfeild if it's going to become a Gestapo opperation in deciding which outspoken forum members can attend and which can't.

On the other hand, Mikey, you do have a habbit of rubbing people the wrong way. Might I remind you of a certain KB trackday at Taupo?

Anyways, I wont be attending.

[Sniper]

I would say its a wee bit unfair that he wont let you race due to what you right but he also may be thinking of safety vs Attitude. I dont know??

[Oscar]

He's taking the time and trouble to organise it.
If you don't like it, organise your own.

[vifferman]

Can't say. I couldn't understand what your quotes were all about.

[rc_36_rider]

easy on guys this is ment to be a family show and i think there is a time and a place on a track when the slower bikes can ride whils the faster guys are pitting eating ect unless you can ride a whole track day on one tank of gas and an empty stomic!!!!

[rc_36_rider]

yeh those quots are a bit hard to understand whoes he getting at

[Motu]

I can't understand a thing mikey says either - perhaps Chris likes a bit of literacy?

As Oscar says - it's his party....you can have your own if you like.

I'm not going to the track day either.

[v.ros`]

well from what you wrote.. it seems you are pissing him off by acting like an ego head yourself - so guess thats y he aint letting you in.

yeah but as someone else said above, he is organising it and reckon he got a say in who attends and who doesnt....

:wait:

[mikey]

theres another thread with other peoples input. chris's one. i just took what i said an put it here. looking at it like this i am not sure why he owuldn let me race. think hes a power tripper or something. anyway. sounds liek a fuck wit. wont be buying his mag.

[rc_36_rider]

after a second read of your quotes it sounds like you just wanted to have a go at some one and if you cant ride around the slower bikes then trackdays are not going to be your ccuppa tea.not every one owns a liter class bike or knows how to ride it as fast as others and if you on a smaller bike you should have some sort of consideration for others on bigger bikes.

[Oscar]

Way back when about 100 years ago, when I used to organise stuff like this, I LOVED it when some n00b turned up brimming with attitude...not.

Just remember two things -

1. Even today, it's unlikely anyone's organising these things for a living. Most days at this level rely on volunteer help. Perhaps mikey could make things right for next time by volunteering to help.

2. Motor Racing IS dangerous. Recent events have proved this again. If someone gets hurt, the organiser could be held to account. I have personal experience of this, I was the Race Secretary at a National (and Televised) Roadrace and had a Police Sergeant tell me that one of our riders had just died...

[mikey]

this is the original thread which quotes taken from
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=14440&page=1&pp=40

i was voicing an opinion about the safety of entering a 250cc bike on to a track like manfield. not quite a speed track but definitly no taupo/roundabout.

the insults didnt start until he let me know i was not to attend, not having the balls to contact me himself either. .hasnt responded to the postive comments towards me, just lurked around.

homo,

[Motu]

You still aren't making sense - can you ask your mother to right it down for you?

[Beemer]

i was voicing an opinion about the safety of entering a 250cc bike on to a track like manfield. not quite a speed track but definitly no taupo/roundabout.

I think you are still missing the point - it's a TRACK DAY not a RACE DAY. Bikes of all sizes and riders of all abilities go to track days to have fun - yes, in the race/fast class the guys are a bit more committed to getting their corners right and going fast, but it is still NOT a race.

I think you will find that most organisers of track days make it pretty clear that they will not tolerate any dangerous behaviour on the track as they end up being the ones held responsible. They are doing YOU a favour by holding a track day, not the other way around. :nono:

We have gang members who always turn up to our track days but we have no problem with that because they obey the rules and don't cause any trouble. As far as I know we've never banned anyone from taking part, but some riders have been asked to leave for not obeying the rules.

Perhaps Chris felt that the attitude you were displaying in that thread was indicitive of your overall behaviour and decided to ban you in case you took that attitude onto the track.

[mikey]

i think maybe chris made the mistake some others have, if you look up the top left of any of my posts you will note it says CBR250.
i ride a 250.
My opinons were voicing an opinion for my safety an safety of other 250s,

i was not trying to scare away others entering on 250s, as he may have thought. i was at his last one an the ""slow"" group were going fast on mighty big bikes. not 250 friendly so i did not enter.

[Beemer]

i think maybe chris made the mistake some others have, if you look up the top left of any of my posts you will note it says CBR250.
i ride a 250.
My opinons were voicing an opinion for my safety an safety of other 250s,

i was not trying to scare away others entering on 250s, as he may have thought. i was at his last one an the ""slow"" group were going fast on mighty big bikes. not 250 friendly so i did not enter.

If that is true, then Chris or whoever was running the day had a responsibility to do something about it. At our track days there are different classes from slow to race but all riders have to follow the same rules - NO passing the lead bike (the rider is a club member and wears a fluoro vest so you can't miss him), no dangerous overtaking, etc. In the past we have had riders who have missed their class (say the fast or medium class) going out and who have decided to go out in the slow class to get in more track time. If we notice them going at a faster pace (or if they pass the lead bike) or trying to intimidate other riders, they are told that is their riding finished for the day.

A well-run track day should be enjoyable for everyone who takes part and if their track days are not run like this (I can't speak from experience, I've only ever taken part in ours), then I would give them a miss.

[Motoracer]

If that is true, then Chris or whoever was running the day had a responsibility to do something about it. At our track days there are different classes from slow to race but all riders have to follow the same rules - NO passing the lead bike (the rider is a club member and wears a fluoro vest so you can't miss him), no dangerous overtaking, etc. In the past we have had riders who have missed their class (say the fast or medium class) going out and who have decided to go out in the slow class to get in more track time. If we notice them going at a faster pace (or if they pass the lead bike) or trying to intimidate other riders, they are told that is their riding finished for the day.

A well-run track day should be enjoyable for everyone who takes part and if their track days are not run like this (I can't speak from experience, I've only ever taken part in ours), then I would give them a miss.

The race class would not have had a lead rider as it would prove to be a challenge on it's own to lead racers around a race track. Plus the racers are usually all hard arse bastards so overtaking up from the inside with-in elbow to elbow proximity is all cool as well.

But yea for roadies, they usually bunch them up in slow to fast groups and they usually have no passing from the left, no wheelies and so and so forth rules, which are there for the safety of everyone else.

[Oscar]

i think maybe chris made the mistake some others have, if you look up the top left of any of my posts you will note it says CBR250.
i ride a 250.
My opinons were voicing an opinion for my safety an safety of other 250s,

i was not trying to scare away others entering on 250s, as he may have thought. i was at his last one an the ""slow"" group were going fast on mighty big bikes. not 250 friendly so i did not enter.

I, for one had your meaning arse-backwards, so maybe Chris does too.
Perhaps you should PM him and direct his attention to your post.

[Beemer]

Yeah, sorry, slight mistake there - I mean to say all the classes all have a lead rider except the race class! But in that class they are all racers and I don't think any typical road riders would be keen to ride with them - it wouldn't be any fun being lapped on the first circuit...

[mikey]

Yeah, sorry, slight mistake there - I mean to say all the classes all have a lead rider except the race class! But in that class they are all racers and I don't think any typical road riders would be keen to ride with them - it wouldn't be any fun being lapped on the first circuit...

at the last one bernard racing team were there an out in the fast/race group, didnt go balls out though, but jimbo/ mark/ dion an a few other kb'rs were out with them.

[White trash]

Short background.

Mikey and I have not always seen eye to eye. After he mentioned my name in something that had nothing to do with me on New Years eve (I can't remember the post, someone will find it) I threatened to punch his ugly head in. He really pissed me off.

Then, for some fucked up reason, I actually wondered if he was a "troll" or really didn't know better. I found out some personal details of his (don't ask me how) so I knew what I was dealing with, then sent him a polite PM, inviting him to a New Years Eve party I was attending. Mikey accepted, something I found very weird given we'd both just threatened to knock the shit outta each other should we ever meet.

He was at the meeting point, he was courteous, polite and thankfull of meeting somone willing to get to know him. He really didn't understand why everybody thought he was a wanker.

At the KB trackday, I was PMed by an upstanding KBer, wondering who the hell this young wanker was and should he be allowed to attend. I responded that I'd stake my reputation on it and that Mikey would be fine. True to form, Mikey attended and was nice as pie, 3/4 of the attendees didn't even know who he was, nor did they care.

On track, Mikey followed the rules more closely than anyone else in attendance, giving people more space than they deserved and sacrificing his own enjoyment of the day for the benefit of others.

Think of this, we're a diverse group, there's alot of fuckwits, and almost everything you see online is not as it seems.

Chris, I know the little fucker rubs you the wrong way, I've experianced the same frustration, but I'm willing to bet my K3, you let him atted, he'll behave so well you'll wonder if the little cunt even turned up.

And Mikey, shut your fucken cakehole!

[chris]

Well, I have been directed to this post (after being told by PM that I was probably sucking on Big Dave's cock!). Haven't checked out the poll results yet either.

Mikey, your initial attitude was one of recklessness in my opinion. Frosty was organising the KB'ers who were attending and I told him of my feelings. He explained that you were OK in 'real' life, trouble is you then spouted off at me in an unpleasant way. It wasn't called for and I haven't slung any mud your way. Your attitude was not one that we wanted to see at a track day. It is not a personal vendetta, as you would like it to be by the sounds of it, it was just a decision I made to protect the integrity of our track days.

If you turn up at KR with an ego, it is usually about 2 days before you lose it. There are people here who have seen it, done it and got the T-shirt, you can't bullshit them.

If you want to turn up at Manfeild on the 4th, do so. I am not gonna guarantee you an entry by any means, but come and find me, I am not hard to spot, 6 foot and 100kg and I also speak with a pom accent. If you are who a lot on here say you are, then an apology would be nice and there may be room in the novice class for you on the day. Your call.

That is the last on the subject for me, I have to go and be beaten now as punishment for losing a contributor.

[Beemer]

That is the last on the subject for me, I have to go and be beaten now as punishment for losing a contributor.

Another one?!!! Tell Ross I'm still waiting for all the work he said he'd put my way when I went freelancing... two years ago! Bring back Mike, I say!

[Big Dave]

>>I am not hard to spot, 6 foot and 100kg<< - damn lightweights.

And I never got bought dinner either!

[HenryDorsetCase]

not trying to be a smartarse, just an outsiders opinion, but wouldnt you think that an organiser would:

1. Want as many people as possible to attend an event; and

2. Realise that not everyone is Valentino Rossi and Nicky Haydens bastard love child; i.e. that there are riders of various abilities out there; thus

3. Organise perhaps self selected groups, with all riders of nominated groups on track at once: example: I am a novice or I am slow: I am group A. Rules for Group A are that there is no passing EXCEPT ON THE STRAIGHTS. (not hard at Manfield).

Group B is for more experienced riders. In Group B, passing in corners is allowed but only on the outside.

Group C is open. Pass anywhere.

If I (the organiser) see someone who, in my sole opinion, is behaving like a dickhead, endangering themselves or someone else, then I will black flag that person. If they dont stop, the whole day is shut down.

How hard could it be.

I dont see how calling people names, and making judgments about their riding based on their internet postings is constructive.


[edit sounds from other postings like this is the go: not sure what the problem really is.....]

[Velox]

Ok, if the "ban" was only based on those 4 posts then yep that seems pretty rough!
Fair enough for getting pissed off, but come on mate.
(Well said WT).

[Oscar]

not trying to be a smartarse, just an outsiders opinion, but wouldnt you think that an organiser would:

1. Want as many people as possible to attend an event; and

2. Realise that not everyone is Valentino Rossi and Nicky Haydens bastard love child; i.e. that there are riders of various abilities out there; thus

3. Organise perhaps self selected groups, with all riders of nominated groups on track at once: example: I am a novice or I am slow: I am group A. Rules for Group A are that there is no passing EXCEPT ON THE STRAIGHTS. (not hard at Manfield).

Group B is for more experienced riders. In Group B, passing in corners is allowed but only on the outside.

Group C is open. Pass anywhere.

If I (the organiser) see someone who, in my sole opinion, is behaving like a dickhead, endangering themselves or someone else, then I will black flag that person. If they dont stop, the whole day is shut down.

How hard could it be.

I dont see how calling people names, and making judgments about their riding based on their internet postings is constructive.


[edit sounds from other postings like this is the go: not sure what the problem really is.....]

Sounds like you got a handle on it.
So when's your track day then? :whistle:

[FROSTY]

>>I am not hard to spot, 6 foot and 100kg<< - damn lightweights.

And I never got bought dinner either!
Yea mate but did ya enjoy the offer in the KR o :devil2: ffices

[Big Dave]

Yea mate but did ya enjoy the offer in the KR o :devil2: ffices

You cain't handle the truth O' he of the one knee :no:

[FROSTY]

not trying to be a smartarse, just an outsiders opinion, but wouldnt you think that an organiser would:

1. Want as many people as possible to attend an event; and

2. Realise that not everyone is Valentino Rossi and Nicky Haydens bastard love child; i.e. that there are riders of various abilities out there; thus

3. Organise perhaps self selected groups, with all riders of nominated groups on track at once: example: I am a novice or I am slow: I am group A. Rules for Group A are that there is no passing EXCEPT ON THE STRAIGHTS. (not hard at Manfield).

Group B is for more experienced riders. In Group B, passing in corners is allowed but only on the outside.

Group C is open. Pass anywhere.

If I (the organiser) see someone who, in my sole opinion, is behaving like a dickhead, endangering themselves or someone else, then I will black flag that person. If they dont stop, the whole day is shut down.

How hard could it be.

I dont see how calling people names, and making judgments about their riding based on their internet postings is constructive.


[edit sounds from other postings like this is the go: not sure what the problem really is.....]
Fantastic Henry--
Ya know I was getting real worried about finding an organiser for the KB track day in april
Please send me your address so I can send you the details

[WINJA]

MIKEY , I HATE EVERYONE SO WHATEVERS

[Motu]

mikey likes to piss people off with his online persona - he did,and so he needs to deal with that himself,not go crying to mummy (us!) when it all goes to his plan....

[FROSTY]

You cain't handle the truth O' he of the one knee :no:
n shit did i miss summat there or wot??

[Big Dave]

mikey likes to piss people off with his online persona - he did,and so he needs to deal with that himself,not go crying to mummy (us!) when it all goes to his plan....

So now you are giving out the warnings?

[justsomeguy]

MIKEY , I HATE EVERYONE SO WHATEVERS

And we hate you too..... see it's a perfect world.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sounds like you got a handle on it.
So when's your track day then? :whistle:

every days a track day innit ???

:devil2:

credit where credits due, its how they are run down here. (not by me)

[HenryDorsetCase]

Fantastic Henry--
Ya know I was getting real worried about finding an organiser for the KB track day in april
Please send me your address so I can send you the details

at Ruapuna?

[Firefight]

And we hate you too..... see it's a perfect world.


JSG, who is this WE that you presume to represent?, I do not hate Winja, in fact I am trying hard not to hate anyone.

F/F

[Big Dave]

n shit did i miss summat there or wot??

Only a gratuitous Jack Nicholson Quote

[justsomeguy]

JSG, who is this WE that you presume to represent?, I do not hate Winja, in fact I am trying hard not to hate anyone.

F/F

Oh - you don't??

Well he will be happy to hear that. Tell me Dave you any good at painting roofs?

[Mooch]

Mikey,

Years back someone running the track days had a similar atitude , It used to be "No 250 2 strokes" mainly because they were capable of carving up the bigger bikes on the corners and infield and the organisers felt that the big bike riders didn't want to get buzzed by two strokes. Shame really, one of my reasons for getting a 250 was to race it at some stage (Sold it a few years back). Never got hooked on the track and have moved on.
Can't say I'm too interested these days, may end up racing cages instead. (No issues with cc ratings on cage track days and have done a few)

Would be a shame that you can't go as you’re so keen. Younger people should be encouraged, could lead to further racers on the grid and that can only be a good thing.

Can't say if I've met Chris; only read his posts so can't vote either.
Not sure if we've met either, but based on some of your posts, had got a bad impression of yourself. However, a kiwibiker friend says you’re OK in person and you've been quick to help other Kiwibikers in need so I'll reserve judgement. You probably don't GAF either way but could be why Chris doesn't want you to attend.

Chris , reconsider and give him ago , Don’t be like the pricks that stopped me from doing this years ago based on a CC rating. Are the cagers doing the same thing on this track day ?.

Mikey, Your’ve really got to take a closer look at your postings. You end up pissing lots of people off.

[chris]

Well Mikey, you have some allies on here that stepped up and told me that in real life you were a nice person and nothing like your online persona. They asked me to give you the benefit of the doubt and to give you a chance, so I did.
So whats with the smug, supersilious and condescending PM you then send to me? My initial judgement of you was not personal, but based on running a safe and pleasant event. It am still struggling to not make it personal, even though your verbal attacks were uncalled for, you have just let yourself and your KB allies down. Nobody should have to put up with your online shit, just because your ok in person.

[SpankMe]

and thats the end of that.