Goodbye England. Been nice knowing ya

[jimbo600]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0hKEd6rzbeg

[short-circuit]

No different to Christian Fundamentalists really

[jimbo600]

No different to Christian Fundamentalists really

True, but they didn't arrive there after fucking up their own shithole, and dont go parading down streets saying all cops burn in hell, and sharia law for the uk.

I suppose you could argue that westminster law is based on christianity.

However, i plainly see a subculture at odds with an incumbant one. The hostility will eventually spread down here too. Already seeing it in aussie. Only difference is aussies, bless em, won't tolorate that shit.

[Subike]

already started
send the fookers back
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/148309-Whinging-Somalian-refugees-insult-our-charity-GO-HOME-THEN!

[Marmoot]

send the fookers back

I agree mate. Send those Brittons back so they can help reclaim their land.

[SMOKEU]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqC8qUmRdCg

[98tls]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0hKEd6rzbeg

:laugh:Your a decade or 2 to late fella,that shit started a long time ago,much like our very own "little England" the only difference being our lot dont bother hiding behind a veil whilst raping us.

[The End]

Lol at the twat at 3:25




"If the law of the land is islamic, we will respect the law of the land

If it's not islamic, then the law of the land and those who make it can go to hell"

So he is basically saying, whatever country he ends up in, if it is not founded around islam, he and his friends will protest against the lawmakers.

I'd love to see him and his mates try a protest like that down Queen street. The AOS would be called out for bomb threats. :laugh:

He can fuck right off.

[98tls]

Lol at the twat at 3:25

http://i.imgur.com/1JuOy.jpg


So he is basically saying, whatever country he ends up in, if it is not founded around islam, he and his friends will protest against the lawmakers.

I'd love to see him and his mates try a protest like that down Queen street. The AOS would be called out for bomb threats. :laugh:

He can fuck right off.

Not at all,him and his mates would be joined by hundreds of parasites with nothing better to do that day.State housing suburbs would empty/Repco would sell out of spray cans/Taxi drivers would have a great day courtesy of welfare chits/ambos would be busy dealing with glue sniffers having a bag to many and the stupid Greens would call it a victory for human rights...:facepalm:meanwhile the average kiwi sits in his back yard still believing that joining 2 bits of string together with a piece of number 8 wire makes everything ok and Helen Clarke really did have a hole between its legs.

[mashman]

bwaaaahaaaa ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa...

[Indiana_Jones]

F'd in the A!

-Indy

[jasonu]

Not at all,him and his mates would be joined by hundreds of parasites with nothing better to do that day.

You mean like the Occupy wankers.

[Paul in NZ]

This is actually one thing that really does get my back up.

Most of societies advancements sped up once the church and the state seperated and the influence of the state surpassed that of the church. On Theocracy that I know of has ever been worth a damn, even the ancient Islamic states these idiots bang on about was not dominated by the church of Islam. Wanting to go back to that is madness and its something I'd violently oppose.

(stupid tossers wanting it also want to be in charge I'll bet)

[mashman]

Don't worry about it "In either case, British internet users would be paying extra to allow their government to spy on them more effectively." (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/13319446/uk-internet-surveillance-program-in-works/)

[oneofsix]

This is actually one thing that really does get my back up.

Most of societies advancements sped up once the church and the state seperated and the influence of the state surpassed that of the church. On Theocracy that I know of has ever been worth a damn, even the ancient Islamic states these idiots bang on about was not dominated by the church of Islam. Wanting to go back to that is madness and its something I'd violently oppose.

(stupid tossers wanting it also want to be in charge I'll bet)

Of course the 'stupid tossers' want to be in charge, if you look a little closer at the church state separation I think you will find the people took back a lot of control with things like the peasants revolution etc, and it was this taking back control that separated the state and the church. Gets rather complicated but when an 'elite' have control advancement is stagnated, guess its logical really because once you have control change can only be a threat to your control. The history might be complicated but the logic is simple.

[SMOKEU]

Fuck Islam. It's the most evil disease to spread through humanity in recent years.

[willytheekid]

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient" Rome."

-"A quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, "The River War"

Churchill also wrote:
"Indeed it is evident that Christianity, however degraded and distorted by cruelty and intolerance, must always exert a modifying influence on men's passions, and protect them from the more violent forms of fanatical fever, as we are protected from smallpox by vaccination. But the Mahommedan religion increases, instead of lessening, the fury of intolerance. It was originally propagated by the sword, and ever since, its votaries have been subject, above the people of all other creeds, to this form of madness."

..wise man that Churchill

[mashman]

..wise man that Churchill

What did he say about Christianity, or Catholocism? Not having a pop as I have no "faith" in any religion that oppresses anyone based on gender, nationality, colour etc... and to that end I'm going to keep on laughing... words are cheap.

[Zedder]

Yep, the Catholic Church has had a few things to answer for.

Don't worry about the Muslim troublemakers though, another jackup like the Iraqi defector "Curveball" will probably occur and give the authorities just cause to "neutralise the threat".

[Bassmatt]

..wise man that Churchill

Churchill was a fucking asshole of the highest order.

[willytheekid]

Churchill was a fucking asshole of the highest order.

:laugh: true!...but still onto it in this regard (he actually noted that the threat from Islam extremists etc to be higher than that of hitler)

[Zedder]

Churchill was a fucking asshole of the highest order.

Why do you think he was an "asshole" Bassmatt?

[Bassmatt]

Why do you think he was an "asshole" Bassmatt?


"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it" - W. Churchill


just the tip of the iceberg:
Churchill was instrumental in establishing the illegal starvation blockade of Germany. The blockade depended on scattering mines, and classified as contraband food for civilians. But, throughout his career, international law and the conventions created to limit the horrors of war meant nothing to Churchill. One of the consequences of the hunger blockade was that, while it killed 750,000 German civilians by hunger and malnutrition, the youth who survived went on to become the most fanatical Nazis.

Whether Churchill actually arranged for the sinking of the Lusitania on May 7, 1915, is still unclear, but it is clear that he did everything possible to ensure that innocent Americans would be killed by German attempts to break the hunger blockade.

But Churchill's greatest war crimes involved the terror bombing of German cities that killed 600,000 civilians and left some 800,000 injured.
Churchill brazenly lied to the House of Commons and the public, claiming that only military and industrial installations were targeted. In fact, the aim was to kill as many civilians as possible. Hence the application of "carpet" bombing in an attempt to terrorize the Germans into surrendering.

[oneofsix]

So he was a strong willed man and just what Britain needed to get it through WWII. Was he an arsehole? yes like most strong willed people that will not listen to reason and hence why the Brits dropped him straight after WWII, unlike the Russians who were stuck with Stalin.

[Bassmatt]

So he was a strong willed man and just what Britain needed to get it through WWII. Was he an arsehole? yes like most strong willed people that will not listen to reason and hence why the Brits dropped him straight after WWII, unlike the Russians who were stuck with Stalin.

The food blockade and lusitania was WW1.

Muslims could rightfully argue that the "West" is at war with them. Whatever they do to get Islam "through" the war is ok with you then?

[Trade_nancy]

[QUOTE=Zedder;1130294814]Yep, the Catholic Church has had a few things to answer for.

Such as?? Say within the last 40-50 years...what specifics? I dunno if anything CAN compare to the hating and pain inflicted on innocents by individuals on their own crusades...such as bombings by extremists - be they Islamic or Catholic... But can a Christian religion be held to answer for nutters? I think Islam can..as such killing and hate seems to be part of their doctrine - so they say themselves. I'm no church goer now..but was born into a catholic family and raised to go do things in their church...till I got to 15 or so..and went to Sunday night horrors at the flicks instead (same thing some said). We were never taught to hate, kill, maim, treat women as inferiors....just the usual - go out and do good stuff that most christians are taught.You may have a valid point - would like to hear more to justify it though..

[sgtp]

what is with the media's switch from calling them terrorists to now calling them insurgents????

1in·sur·gent noun \-jənt\
Definition of INSURGENT
1: a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government; especially : a rebel not recognized as a belligerent
2: one who acts contrary to the policies and decisions of one's own political party

Definition of TERRORISM
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion


It makes you feel the media is sympathetic to the people that want to kill me :angry2:

[oneofsix]

The food blockade and lusitania was WW1.

Muslims could rightfully argue that the "West" is at war with them. Whatever they do to get Islam "through" the war is ok with you then?

No the Muslims can't, they might be at war with the west as they are the aggressor and if they stopped their aggression they would be allowed to live in peace. If they keep pushing it they might end up facing an arse hole like Winnie, arguably they did for a bit in W.

Yeah I know that was WW1 as was Gallipoli, another winnie fuck up. And concentration camps were invented by the British but don't think that delight was his even if he was involved in the campaign. BTW it took more than the food blockade, you forgot the repatriation demands from the lovely French and their occupation but then again you were probably trying to avoid bringing up their involvement in the food blockade just like you did the US involvement in the supposed Lusitania conspiracy.

[Bassmatt]

[QUOTE=Zedder;1130294814]Yep, the Catholic Church has had a few things to answer for.

Such as?? Say within the last 40-50 years...what specifics?

Fucking little boys perhaps, covered up and basically condoned by the Catholic hierachy.

[Bassmatt]

what is with the media's switch from calling them terrorists to now calling them insurgents????

1in·sur·gent noun \-jənt\
Definition of INSURGENT
1: a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government; especially : a rebel not recognized as a belligerent
2: one who acts contrary to the policies and decisions of one's own political party

Definition of TERRORISM
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion


It makes you feel the media is sympathetic to the people that want to kill me :angry2:

Because they are fighting against an occupying force, an Army. The occupiers are not the established govt.

[Bassmatt]

No the Muslims can't, they might be at war with the west as they are the aggressor and if they stopped their aggression they would be allowed to live in peace.

:facepalm:

[Bassmatt]

Yeah I know that was WW1 as was Gallipoli, another winnie fuck up. And concentration camps were invented by the British but don't think that delight was his even if he was involved in the campaign. BTW it took more than the food blockade, you forgot the repatriation demands from the lovely French and their occupation but then again you were probably trying to avoid bringing up their involvement in the food blockade just like you did the US involvement in the supposed Lusitania conspiracy.

Didnt bring the frogs into it because we werent discussing the french.
Same for US.
Neither of those things absolve Churchill

[Zedder]

"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it" - W. Churchill


just the tip of the iceberg:
Churchill was instrumental in establishing the illegal starvation blockade of Germany. The blockade depended on scattering mines, and classified as contraband food for civilians. But, throughout his career, international law and the conventions created to limit the horrors of war meant nothing to Churchill. One of the consequences of the hunger blockade was that, while it killed 750,000 German civilians by hunger and malnutrition, the youth who survived went on to become the most fanatical Nazis.

Whether Churchill actually arranged for the sinking of the Lusitania on May 7, 1915, is still unclear, but it is clear that he did everything possible to ensure that innocent Americans would be killed by German attempts to break the hunger blockade.

But Churchill's greatest war crimes involved the terror bombing of German cities that killed 600,000 civilians and left some 800,000 injured.
Churchill brazenly lied to the House of Commons and the public, claiming that only military and industrial installations were targeted. In fact, the aim was to kill as many civilians as possible. Hence the application of "carpet" bombing in an attempt to terrorize the Germans into surrendering.

Gotcha, I wanted to see what you meant about him specifically .

The blockades in WW1 were an operation by all the Allied forces though.

Having said that, Churchill, unlike other Allied leaders, had a history of hating anything un British and would most probably not thought twice about the effects of his decisions to bomb civilians etc.

[Bassmatt]

On a lighter note....“Stinkweed” was the wartime nickname given to Churchill by Lord Halifax, as he was reputed to shit his pants when drunk. :sick:

[jimbo600]

Because they are fighting against an occupying force, an Army. The occupiers are not the established govt.

I think you'll find these cunts are in uk. What 'occupying' force are you referring too?

Also ISAF are there at the behest of the afghani govt.

Aldo, also it is a tenet of islam to make the world islamic.

So you can either bury your head in the sand and pretend everything will be fine, or like me you can train hard now in order to fight easy later.

[Zedder]

On a lighter note....“Stinkweed” was the wartime nickname given to Churchill by Lord Halifax, as he was reputed to shit his pants when drunk. :sick:

Yeah, I read that he wore a special jump suit in case of "accidents".

[Bassmatt]

I think you'll find these cunts are in uk. What 'occupying' force are you referring too?

Also ISAF are there at the behest of the afghani govt.

Aldo, also it is a tenet of islam to make the world islamic.

So you can either bury your head in the sand and pretend everything will be fine, or like me you can train hard now in order to fight easy later.

I have never seen the term insurgent used to describe them or their activities in the UK. Gotta link?

[mashman]

It's funny, if history has taught us 1 thing it's that humans are fuckin stupid. If you refuse to become a country, then you will be overrun and your "culture" will be removed via your inaction... and no, I don't mean hunting people down and throwing them out. Did you ever ask yourself the question: Why is Islam such a big threat? and whilst we're at it, why does Islam succeed? Pretty simple really. Relying on history for answers, oh how I lol!

[jimbo600]

I have never seen the term insurgent used to describe them or their activities in the UK. Gotta link?

I didn't state or infer they were insurgents. I merely illustrated, and made commentry on the growing numbers of intolorant muslims plagueing the uk. And highlight the fact that global islamification is a long term goal of these parasites.

[Zedder]

It's funny, if history has taught us 1 thing it's that humans are fuckin stupid. If you refuse to become a country, then you will be overrun and your "culture" will be removed via your inaction... and no, I don't mean hunting people down and throwing them out. Did you ever ask yourself the question: Why is Islam such a big threat? and whilst we're at it, why does Islam succeed? Pretty simple really. Relying on history for answers, oh how I lol!

I see what you mean about the inaction but is Islam such a threat Mashman? We've been mainly exposed to the fanatical fundamentalists who, according to what I can make out, are a real minority out of the 1.2 billion Muslims arond the world.

Is having your home (in Iraq, Afganistan etc) turned into a war zone, succeeding?

[mashman]

I see what you mean about the inaction but is Islam such a threat Mashman? We've been mainly exposed to the fanatical fundamentalists who, according to what I can make out, are a real minority out of the 1.2 billion Muslims arond the world.

Is having your home (in Iraq, Afganistan etc) turned into a war zone, succeeding?

I'd say it is a "threat" (threat as in it scares people, they will play the long game, we'll miss it until it's too late kinda thing), well, more so than any other religion around. Muslims stick together, some may fight over "power' etc... but at the end of the day, they are all Muslim... and it doesn't seem to be a fading away. Personally I don't give a fuck if the UK burns or converts or not (I do really), but it's of their own making... the riots are of their own making... it's all in the way they live such solitary lives. Community died in the UK a loooooong time ago (perfect launchpad for a cohesive group), apart from small pockets and I foolishly thought it may still exist here, hey ho.

I'd say most of the mess in the East is of Western making, but I'm stark raving bonkers, WTF would I know.

Edity: on the upside though, I get to ride all year round here.

[Zedder]

I'd say it is a "threat" (threat as in it scares people, they will play the long game, we'll miss it until it's too late kinda thing), well, more so than any other religion around. Muslims stick together, some may fight over "power' etc... but at the end of the day, they are all Muslim... and it doesn't seem to be a fading away. Personally I don't give a fuck if the UK burns or converts or not (I do really), but it's of their own making... the riots are of their own making... it's all in the way they live such solitary lives. Community died in the UK a loooooong time ago (perfect launchpad for a cohesive group), apart from small pockets and I foolishly thought it may still exist here, hey ho.

I'd say most of the mess in the East is of Western making, but I'm stark raving bonkers, WTF would I know.

Edity: on the upside though, I get to ride all year round here.

Let's see what happens in the UK but, I'm happy when things happen like the French banning the wearing of Islamic face veils in public. They stood up to them. Also though, there was a case in Auckland where extremist Muslims tried hijacking the running of a Mosque. They got the boot real quick!

(Define mad anyway)

[mashman]

Let's see what happens in the UK but, I'm happy when things happen like the French banning the wearing of Islamic face veils in public. They stood up to them. Also though, there was a case in Auckland where extremist Muslims tried hijacking the running of a Mosque. They got the boot real quick!

(Define mad anyway)

Fair enough... although I think we're going backwards by thinking that forcing someone to remove their face cloth is going to make a blind bit of difference. Oui, they took a stand, but it's a token and nothing else, bit like banning drugs, the "problem" never really goes away.

Mad = Einstein's theory of Insanity.

[Zedder]

Fair enough... although I think we're going backwards by thinking that forcing someone to remove their face cloth is going to make a blind bit of difference. Oui, they took a stand, but it's a token and nothing else, bit like banning drugs, the "problem" never really goes away.

Mad = Einstein's theory of Insanity.

The french are actually attacking women for wearing the veils publicly Mash so it's not a token.

[short-circuit]

This again
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril

[mashman]

The french are actually attacking women for wearing the veils publicly Mash so it's not a token.

I know mate... that's why I think they're going backwards... and there was the Iraqi woman beaten to death on the US with a note left behind telling her that she was a terrorist and should get out of the country. Strange as they killed her. Either way making no veil law is still a token... tis a shame that the consequences are all too real, but that's to be expected when the only way cuntry's react is to ban ban ban.

[mashman]

So you can either bury your head in the sand and pretend everything will be fine, or like me you can train hard now in order to fight easy later.

What's wrong with converting?

[Zedder]

What's wrong with converting?

Insha Allah.

[mashman]

Insha Allah.

As-Salami A lay cum

[Woodman]

Who really gives a shit if they say that we will burn in hell? There is no such fucken place.

Its like when a complete fucktard calls you a complete fucktard, its actually a complement.

[jimbo600]

What's wrong with converting?

I don't believe in a society that issues compliance and intolerance based on a fairy tale.

[mashman]

I don't believe in a society that issues compliance and intolerance based on a fairy tale.

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa... do you see any irony in your statement at all?

[jimbo600]

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa... do you see any irony in your statement at all?

No.

Are you suggesting that Islam is fundamentally sound, has scientific merit, and conversion is worthy?

Maybe I should give it a go. I have some spare time this afternoon to stone a homosexual, or a women because she is working or going to university.

[mashman]

No.

Oh dear.



Are you suggesting that Islam is fundamentally sound, has scientific merit, and conversion is worthy?

Maybe I should give it a go. I have some spare time this afternoon to stone a homosexual, or a women because she is working or going to university.

Yes. WTF does scientific merit have to do with anything? Not for me, but plenty of people do "convert".

Oh dear, been reading a little too much propoganda have you. Mind you I suppose fanatics need to "know" their polar opposites, thems with no shades of grey. It wasn't that long ago that whitey was a slave trader, by far worse than Islam. In the meantime, a little lite reading to drag your kicking and screaming into the 21st century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Islam#Employment_patterns_today).

[jimbo600]

Oh dear.



Yes. WTF does scientific merit have to do with anything? Not for me, but plenty of people do "convert".

Oh dear, been reading a little too much propoganda have you. Mind you I suppose fanatics need to "know" their polar opposites, thems with no shades of grey. It wasn't that long ago that whitey was a slave trader, by far worse than Islam. In the meantime, a little lite reading to drag your kicking and screaming into the 21st century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Islam#Employment_patterns_today).

Maybe you could read all this thread again then. In the initial post the people in the video were espousing sharia law for the UK. Do you disagree? Its was even written on big billboards. Look again if you missed it. Now does not sharia law purport punishment for the 'crimes' I mention earlier?

I am in the 21st century pal. And so are they, however they want to drag us back to the Ottoman empire days.

Since you love wikipedia so much

"Homosexuality
Main article: Homosexuality and Islam
Homosexual activity is illegal under sharia, though the prescribed penalties differ from one school of jurisprudence to another. For example, these Muslim-majority countries may impose the death penalty for acts perceived as sodomy and homosexual activities: Iran,[189] Nigeria,[190] Saudi Arabia,[191] Somalia.[192]"

And http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1856/bangladesh-sharia-brutality-raped-girl

Yep what a religion. Top folk.

[mashman]

something about gay people Producing Otters from Men

Read it again, are you mad, oh hang on hmmmm... to what end? To reconfirm that Sharia law isn't going to be integrated into UK law until the majority of the population votes for it? To see a few billboards that are asking people to convert to Islam instead of some other group of invisible people worshippers that believe in something that may not exist? Shall we list out the faults of each religion and kill anyone who says they belong to that group? Or deport people born in that country because they have a certain faith? Once you're done with that, praps you can start in with the racial prejudice you probably have too... then where? I know, women, bitches be gettin too big for their boots these days. It wasn't that long ago that women were second class citizens in the civilised Western world. I doubt Muslims will stop stoning women for working or going to Uni or anything like that... noe I'm sure I've seen a link around here that said that didn;t happen :innocent:.

You may physically be in the 21st Century my friend, but your attitude seems to be stuck in the early 20th... Praps a lightly wider gaze is called for?

Tarring every member of a group with the same brush really doesn't help things and achually makes things much worse than they already are... yet here you are and in the red corner, or would Islam be blue, certainly not pink, maybe green as they're obviously backwards, nooooo let's call them black, yeaaaaahhhhhhh BLACK, that seems to get a few pulses racing.

[Paul in NZ]

No.

Are you suggesting that Islam is fundamentally sound, has scientific merit, and conversion is worthy?

Maybe I should give it a go. I have some spare time this afternoon to stone a homosexual, or a women because she is working or going to university.

Moderate Islams not like that. Its a younger religion than Christianity and still has not got all the rough bits knocked off yet.

Besides, Britain executed a war hero for being Gay as recently as the 50's and womens lib is still pretty recent really. There are loads of hardcore christians that would do worse if in power.

Islam or not - its crazy power hungry idiots that are the problem

[short-circuit]

Moderate Islams not like that. Its a younger religion than Christianity and still has not got all the rough bits knocked off yet.

Besides, Britain executed a war hero for being Gay as recently as the 50's and womens lib is still pretty recent really. There are loads of hardcore christians that would do worse if in power.

Islam or not - its crazy power hungry idiots that are the problem

No you're not doing it right. It's supposed to go like this...

:angry2::bash::ar15: etc...

Hysteria fail.

[jimbo600]

Read it again, are you mad, oh hang on hmmmm... to what end? To reconfirm that Sharia law isn't going to be integrated into UK law until the majority of the population votes for it? To see a few billboards that are asking people to convert to Islam instead of some other group of invisible people worshippers that believe in something that may not exist? Shall we list out the faults of each religion and kill anyone who says they belong to that group? Or deport people born in that country because they have a certain faith? Once you're done with that, praps you can start in with the racial prejudice you probably have too... then where? I know, women, bitches be gettin too big for their boots these days. It wasn't that long ago that women were second class citizens in the civilised Western world. I doubt Muslims will stop stoning women for working or going to Uni or anything like that... noe I'm sure I've seen a link around here that said that didn;t happen :innocent:.

You may physically be in the 21st Century my friend, but your attitude seems to be stuck in the early 20th... Praps a lightly wider gaze is called for?

Tarring every member of a group with the same brush really doesn't help things and achually makes things much worse than they already are... yet here you are and in the red corner, or would Islam be blue, certainly not pink, maybe green as they're obviously backwards, nooooo let's call them black, yeaaaaahhhhhhh BLACK, that seems to get a few pulses racing.

I was wondering when you pull out the racist card. Although this has nothing to do with race. No i'm not a racist, bigot, or a homophobe. I am, however, vehemently against those who would supplant established doctrine with a fundamentalist structure based on a fantasy.

Furthermore i am not particularly against islam either. Moderate islamists are fine. Turkey is a reasonable example of a well grounded islamic state. In fact i have a few, granted not many, iranian friends who had to flee their country because they weren't muslim enough.

As for living in this century, well i would have thought that as a species we would have evolved past the point of believing in deities by now.

[mashman]

I was wondering when you pull out the racist card. Although this has nothing to do with race. No i'm not a racist, bigot, or a homophobe. I am, however, vehemently against those who would supplant established doctrine with a fundamentalist structure based on a fantasy.

Furthermore i am not particularly against islam either. Moderate islamists are fine. Turkey is a reasonable example of a well grounded islamic state. In fact i have a few, granted not many, iranian friends who had to flee their country because they weren't muslim enough.

As for living in this century, well i would have thought that as a species we would have evolved past the point of believing in deities by now.

heh... well the two do seem to go hand in hand. If we didn't supplant established doctrine, we'd still be swinging in the trees. There's two sides of every story and there are fundamenalists on both... viva la difference :yes:. Tis a small number who want to blow shit up, invade country's and exert influence on populations that do not share their beliefs and again, they are on both sides and imho the West is by far worse than the East in that respect. The fantasy of the West being that their way of life is better than that in the East as well as going to the East to blow shit up etc... One of the so called leaders recently received a Nobel Peace prize for sticking his nose in to the affairs of the East.

If that's the case, what makes you think that Islam is dragging the UK down the toilet? as she seems to be doing that exceptionally well herself.

I would have thought we'd have evolved past the greatest fantasy of them all by now... so believing in things that ?don't? exist v's believing in things that do exist that do much more harm than the things that don't is even worse in my book... but sure, religion is the problem.

[jimbo600]

heh... well the two do seem to go hand in hand. If we didn't supplant established doctrine, we'd still be swinging in the trees. There's two sides of every story and there are fundamenalists on both... viva la difference :yes:. Tis a small number who want to blow shit up, invade country's and exert influence on populations that do not share their beliefs and again, they are on both sides and imho the West is by far worse than the East in that respect. The fantasy of the West being that their way of life is better than that in the East as well as going to the East to blow shit up etc... One of the so called leaders recently received a Nobel Peace prize for sticking his nose in to the affairs of the East.

If that's the case, what makes you think that Islam is dragging the UK down the toilet? as she seems to be doing that exceptionally well herself.

I would have thought we'd have evolved past the greatest fantasy of them all by now... so believing in things that ?don't? exist v's believing in things that do exist that do much more harm than the things that don't is even worse in my book... but sure, religion is the problem.

Western cultural imperialism does indeed have alot to answer to. And actually you raise a good point. Pomms are quite capable of fucking up theor own country.


Oops that does sound a bit racist.

[mashman]

Western cultural imperialism does indeed have alot to answer to. And actually you raise a good point. Pomms are quite capable of fucking up theor own country.


Oops that does sound a bit racist.

That was the second time I raised it, but at least you seem to be thinking now.

S'ok, us Poms is as thick as fuck and hated by Norf, Sarf, East and West for our past...

[jimbo600]

That was the second time I raised it, but at least you seem to be thinking now.

S'ok, us Poms is as thick as fuck and hated by Norf, Sarf, East and West for our past...

And dont get me started on muslim harley riders who dont wave back.

[MD]

Shall we list out the faults of each religion and kill anyone who says they belong to that group? Or deport people born in that country because they have a certain faith? .

I think you are totally missing the point of why so many non-muslims are concerned and against the spread of the Islamic faith- or more to the point, the spread of their idiotic followers doing just what you have written above.

Yes there are many religions in the world. Yes, many of them have killed in the name of their religion in the past. But for the most part now we all tolerate and respect each others freedom to make our own choices.

But only ONE religion today does not tolerate any other. Only ONE is actively promoting and acting on the ideal that if someone does not join your religion, then you should kill them. Only ONE religion is using terrorism to force others to convert..or die. When did a Hindu hijack and fly a passenger plane into a building. It wasn't a Mormon mob that stormed Christian churches in Egypt last year and killed the Christians. It wasn't Buddists or Methodists or Jews.

It's this total lack of tolerance and fairness in their views that is unacceptable to westerners. For example; the Muslims in the UK in that video are refusing to adopt the ways of their host. Even worse, they are demanding the host adopt their ways or quote "go to hell". On the flip side they will not tolerate any other religion in their Islamic nations.

You don't go to a Thai restaurant and expect Italian food and you certainly don't DEMAND they only serve Italian food.

[mashman]

And dont get me started on muslim harley riders who dont wave back.

Are they the ones wearing bomber jackets :innocent:

[Zedder]

Are they the ones wearing bomber jackets :innocent:

They blow up so young these days too.

[mashman]

I think you are totally missing the point of why so many non-muslims are concerned and against the spread of the Islamic faith- or more to the point, the spread of their idiotic followers doing just what you have written above.

Yes there are many religions in the world. Yes, many of them have killed in the name of their religion in the past. But for the most part now we all tolerate and respect each others freedom to make our own choices.

But only ONE religion today does not tolerate any other. Only ONE is actively promoting and acting on the ideal that if someone does not join your religion, then you should kill them. Only ONE religion is using terrorism to force others to convert..or die. When did a Hindu hijack and fly a passenger plane into a building. It wasn't a Mormon mob that stormed Christian churches in Egypt last year and killed the Christians. It wasn't Buddists or Methodists or Jews.

It's this total lack of tolerance and fairness in their views that is unacceptable to westerners. For example; the Muslims in the UK in that video are refusing to adopt the ways of their host. Even worse, they are demanding the host adopt their ways or quote "go to hell". On the flip side they will not tolerate any other religion in their Islamic nations.

You don't go to a Thai restaurant and expect Italian food and you certainly don't DEMAND they only serve Italian food.

heh, I'm fully aware of what you're talking about. I guess it's the turn of Islam to try to push it's agenda in the West... likely in response to the West pushing it's agenda in the East. Funny that the West takes the hump when the East starts demanding things. Stunning hypocrisy. Tolerated, you mean that they don't go out of their way to promote their views? They just don't hunt is packs as much as they used to, but there are deeply religious people that hang on to their teachings as if they were the law. I care not, that is there choice and I will defend their choice, even if it's shouting in people's faces.

When was the first time a Muslim hijacked a plane? When was the last time a Hindu killed a Sikh? When was the last time someone of no denomination hijaked a plane or killed another person of no denomination? When was the last time a Taliban soldier walked into an American town and wasted some locals? The actions of a few damning the many and all because they share a religion. Piss poor really, but hey, it makes great telly and gives us someone to hate and fear.

The funny thing is, I've been into Thai and Italian restaurants and they have been gracious enough to cook me plain food (shit taste buds), but yeah, demanding things ain't the way to go, yet the French have demanded that Muslim remove their face coverings, but that's ok, because they are Muslim.

We can go around in circles, but as you mention, until we all hit that live and let live point it'll never happen and there is TV to be made and papers to be sold.

[Woodman]

Buddhists, we should all be buddhists. very happy, accepting people.

[mashman]

Buddhists, we should all be buddhists. very happy, accepting people.

Buddachism is the way to go.

[MD]

but yeah, demanding things ain't the way to go, yet the French have demanded that Muslim remove their face coverings, but that's ok, because they are Muslim.

We can go around in circles, but as you mention, until we all hit that live and let live point it'll never happen and there is TV to be made and papers to be sold.

Fair enough and it's good you put your opinions forward here instead of just resorting to abuse as some tend to do if someone doesn't agree with them.


Mind you I have to point out that the French are only demanding they remove their face covers while in France Like the Thai restaurant, it should be able to ban people smoking, wearing gang patches or any form of motorcycle apparel for that matter while in their premises.
The old saying - when in Rome do as the romans do...drink wine, each grapes and have orgies with slave girls. I see nothing wrong with that myself.

[mashman]

Fair enough and it's good you put your opinions forward here instead of just resorting to abuse as some tend to do if someone doesn't agree with them.


Mind you I have to point out that the French are only demanding they remove their face covers while in France Like the Thai restaurant, it should be able to ban people smoking, wearing gang patches or any form of motorcycle apparel for that matter while in their premises.
The old saying - when in Rome do as the romans do...drink wine, each grapes and have orgies with slave girls. I see nothing wrong with that myself.

Meh, we're all speshul in our own way :blink:

It's the demanding thing I don't agree with. I understand why, but in the same token what's the harm in allowing people to cover their faces? Especially if it's of religious significance. It's not much more than a scaremongering tactic really. As mentioned earlier, it's hardly as though the whole country are going to turn to Islam... we're talking about the French here :rofl:. It's just another freedom gone. It ain't like these people are just guests in the country, they're living there full time (potentially 2nd/3rd/4th generation) and should be able to cover their faces if they want imho.
:laugh: Oh I see, bring wine, unmodified wine and orgies with slave girls in to sway the argument... but unless the ugly ones have their faces covered I'll not be changing my opinion any time soon :eek:

[Trade_nancy]

[QUOTE=Trade_nancy;1130294907]

Fucking little boys perhaps, covered up and basically condoned by the Catholic hierachy.
Sorry - that is not part of their prescribed doctrine..and again..individual fuckwits who do these dirty deeds are sheltered by higher-order individual fuckwits and not organisational decree or law as in the case of islam.
Fucking little boys is behaviour attributable to homosexual and other perverts...be they catholic priests, prisoners, mormon missionaries...or bikers.
Where is it stated that the "hierachy" condones this behaviour..? You could reasonably say - hierachy chose in cases recently revealed...to not punish the offenders...can't say they condone kiddy fucking...and these incidents were as you'll recall, all past history going back 30,40 years! In many of them it is debateable what motivate the victims to come forward....cash?
But we're both shooting at the same targets here Bassmatt - I have no time for these religious structures anymore..and kiddy fiddlers of any creed deserve to have evil inflicted on their privates.

[Ender EnZed]

So you can either bury your head in the sand and pretend everything will be fine, or like me you can train hard now in order to fight easy later.

How are you training exactly? I hope it involves guns and balaclavas.

[oneofsix]

does this mean we will have to stop calling them englisher bastards pomes and start calling them pois :crazy:

[Zedder]

[QUOTE=Bassmatt;1130294912]
Sorry - that is not part of their prescribed doctrine..and again..individual fuckwits who do these dirty deeds are sheltered by higher-order individual fuckwits and not organisational decree or law as in the case of islam.
Fucking little boys is behaviour attributable to homosexual and other perverts...be they catholic priests, prisoners, mormon missionaries...or bikers.
Where is it stated that the "hierachy" condones this behaviour..? You could reasonably say - hierachy chose in cases recently revealed...to not punish the offenders...can't say they condone kiddy fucking...and these incidents were as you'll recall, all past history going back 30,40 years! In many of them it is debateable what motivate the victims to come forward....cash?
But we're both shooting at the same targets here Bassmatt - I have no time for these religious structures anymore..and kiddy fiddlers of any creed deserve to have evil inflicted on their privates.

The prescribed doctrine no, but when the rules were made by the Catholic Church initially, about men only allowed to be priests and priests not being able to marry women, (unlike some other religions) the scene was set for future offending.

[Indiana_Jones]

Like the Thai restaurant, it should be able to ban people smoking, wearing gang patches or any form of motorcycle apparel for that matter while in their premises.

Thing I hate about that is when I'm in the supermarket with my flip face lid on and get asked to remove it. I ask them if they would ask a raghead in a letter box to remove their crap on and you get the old 'oh but that's religious/cultural'....but when I tell them motorcycling is a religion they don't seem to believe me....cunts.

-Indy

[SS90]

just the tip of the iceberg:
Churchill was instrumental in establishing the illegal starvation blockade of Germany. The blockade depended on scattering mines, and classified as contraband food for civilians. But, throughout his career, international law and the conventions created to limit the horrors of war meant nothing to Churchill. One of the consequences of the hunger blockade was that, while it killed 750,000 German civilians by hunger and malnutrition, the youth who survived went on to become the most fanatical Nazis.

Whether Churchill actually arranged for the sinking of the Lusitania on May 7, 1915, is still unclear, but it is clear that he did everything possible to ensure that innocent Americans would be killed by German attempts to break the hunger blockade.

But Churchill's greatest war crimes involved the terror bombing of German cities that killed 600,000 civilians and left some 800,000 injured.
Churchill brazenly lied to the House of Commons and the public, claiming that only military and industrial installations were targeted. In fact, the aim was to kill as many civilians as possible. Hence the application of "carpet" bombing in an attempt to terrorize the Germans into surrendering.

Its very easy to judge these sort of action (particularly Winston Churchill during the first war, as War Minister, and the second War as PM), but let's look at this adjectively..... Germany was, with-out a doubt the aggressor in the first War, the Weimar Republic wanted (and got) a War in Europe, Churchill and the entire UK had no desire to have a war of any sort, and the best way to finish it quickly is do demoralize the general population, and the easiest, quickest and cheapest way was to stop the flow of food into Germany. (the silly sausage eaters should have thought this through eh!), oh, so a few Germans would die of hunger? Well, now there is a pickle....... Better a few people who want to kill you and take your resources die, that you, surely.

Same same for the carpet bombing of what was to later become East Germany, the guys making the decisions where fully aware of the "endlösung der judenfrage", and they needed to end the war NOW, and no matter what some bleeding heart liberal wanker wants to say, these people where the enemy, and would have killed your 18 year old son, without a second thought.

They where the enemy, they wanted to rule Europe.

These whee different times, and politicians where put in positions where they had to make decisions that most of us will never have to make, but if we did, we would do EXACTLY as they have done.

Trust me, I live there, I still meet people that think America and England where at fault for the whole thing, and unfairly attacked Germany during WW2. and I know many Austrians that dream of a day that they could once again have closed boarders all around them.

NZ is the other side of the world, and you just don't know what it is like here.

Octoberfest or not, there is a deep seated hardcore of haters.

[Fatt Max]

The sad thing is that those extremists in places like Afghanistan will never see this article on the news......cos over there they have a telly-ban.....

[Zedder]

The sad thing is that those extremists in places like Afghanistan will never see this article on the news......cos over there they have a telly-ban.....

Nah, that's only a veiled threat.

[scumdog]

True, but they didn't arrive there after fucking up their own shithole, and dont go parading down streets saying all cops burn in hell, and sharia law for the uk.



You should hear what one of my work-mates has to say about Birmingham these days.

Got his 11 year old daughter to 'say something with a Birmingham accent"

She sounded just like Apu does on the Simpsons...

(I've made this comment before, just in case somebody thinks this is a repost.)

[SS90]

You should hear what one of my work-mates has to say about Birmingham these days.

Got his 11 year old daughter to 'say something with a Birmingham accent"

She sounded just like Apu does on the Simpsons...

(I've made this comment before, just in case somebody thinks this is a repost.)


Its moderately funny now, but, heh, let's just remember this is 10 years, Im no Zenphobe, but, this situation is coming to NZ much faster than we realise. The most powerful weapon in the Muslim arsenal is the womb, make no mistake about it.

[Katman]

Im no Zenphobe,

Is that someone who's afraid of meditating?

[Fatt Max]

Nah, that's only a veiled threat.

Brilliant......:clap::killingme

[Swoop]

Yep, the Catholic Church has had a few things to answer for.
They will not care.
So long as they think it is alright to go to their god-house and confess their sins to the kiddie-fiddler, they are absolved and free to have another session.
Sticking their dick into someone who isn't their wife is fine, so long as you go to confession afterwards.:facepalm:

[Flip]

Q, Whats black and eats chips?

A, Half of England!

I have no problems with the large scale systematic bombing of large targets, ie, Dresden. It was just a suitable target of opportunity, it was chosen for destruction because it was a mostly timber city, it had been dry and hot and the weather was clear and there were also no other higher value targets available on the day.

The Nazi and the Jap had to be stoped, in this case the cause more than justified the means.

What ever you think about WW2 6 million jews, 10 million Russians and 20 million Chineese were the real loosers.

[Zedder]

They will not care.
So long as they think it is alright to go to their god-house and confess their sins to the kiddie-fiddler, they are absolved and free to have another session.
Sticking their dick into someone who isn't their wife is fine, so long as you go to confession afterwards.:facepalm:

Talking of confession, I read an article about most members of the Italian Mafia being very "good" Catholics. Buda bing bada boom!

[oneofsix]

Talking of confession, I read an article about most members of the Italian Mafia being very "good" Catholics. Buda bing bada boom!

thought you had to be to be a member of the IRA and those people put together some really bad booms.

[Zedder]

thought you had to be to be a member of the IRA and those people put together some really bad booms.

Dat's the great ting about the Catholic Church me boy, 'tis multi racial to be sure.

[oneofsix]

Dat's the great ting about the Catholic Church me boy, 'tis multi racial to be sure.

was that multi racial or multi radical ? :innocent:

[Zedder]

was that multi racial or multi radical ? :innocent:

A bit of both.

[Swoop]

I have no problems with the large scale systematic bombing of large targets...
The concept of "total war" is lost here...

The Vietnamese got it real quickly, however.

Btw, it is 35 million Russians.