Motoczysz, Inspired by the Britten V1000

[louisb]

Just reading the July Aussie MotorCycle News...

A story on a bike called a Motoczysz C1. I think it's amazing.

"The frame, the engine, front and rear suspension, transmission, brakes, adjustibility.... all new thinking."

Looks nice too.

Official:
www.motoczysz.com

Some Pics:
http://perljam.net/motorcycle/seattlemotoshow2004/motoczysz.html

Pic (http://www.tiscali.de/bildergalerie/bilder/1112866476_BG-MotoCzysz.jpg)

[bugjuice]

that's a mental bike.. what engine is it? It doesn't really give much detail about it, apart from the fact they've made it the same width as the rear tyre.. and it doesn't look like a V config block..

Some interesting features on it, for sure.. including a secondary radiator under the rear tail.. and a couple of minor faults to be redesigned I guess, but it's still early days for it..
bizarre machine..

[louisb]

The engine is a:

Watercooled DOHC Longitudinally mounted dry-sump 15 degree v4 fourstroke with TWO!!! contrarotating crankshafts, four valves per cylinder...

On it's fuel tank it says: "Dedicated to John Britten"

[bugjuice]

ahhh.. I see how it works now.. That is a very clever design. Also explains why the pipe design is how it is too.. It's a very narrow V

and got to love that rear swing arm design

[Bren_chch]

damn thats sexy!!

[Slingshot]

Very nice...I wonder how much one of these would set you back?



BMC talked about producing a road legal version of the v1000, I remember reading that it would need of 200 modifactions though.

I've often though about converting a TL into a V1000 look-a-like. With a bit of bodywork and the right paint scheme, you could probably convince the casual observer...but you'd also run the risk of looking like a tosser on a look-a-like:no:

[bugjuice]

Very nice...I wonder how much one of these would set you back?



BMC talked about producing a road legal version of the v1000, I remember reading that it would need of 200 modifactions though.

I've often though about converting a TL into a V1000 look-a-like. With a bit of bodywork and the right paint scheme, you could probably convince the casual observer...but you'd also run the risk of looking like a tosser on a look-a-like:no:
or no one knowing what the hell you were riding/trying to imitate..

[gav]

A guy up in Nelson has a Honda Bros that hes made into a mini Britten, made up his own body work (and painted it in blue) and his own exhaust's (painted fluro pink). He had it on the back of his ute at the John Britten memorial races and some people were coming up and asking him how he managed to get a real Britten? :clap: :rofl:

[BarryG]

Roadracing World magazine has done a couple of very detailed stories and ridden the thing. At the moment, it's officially a 'proof of concept' (read: we're not sure if all this is going to work, but...), and sounds like he's really on a right track. Money is the factor now, of course. I think there are plans to produce, but at a huge price. Time will tell - the guy is serious, but like anything of this nature, it'll be a case of whether there's a commercial market in the end that determines an end result. It's a brilliant looking bike.
Cheers
Barry (USA correspondent :-))

[Damon]

There was a story on 60 minutes a month or two ago about this guy and his bike, it was really interesting, he decided he wanted to scrap all the rules and just start again.

It looks pretty damn sexy so far, with some fairings it would be awesome. :Punk:

[disenfranchised]

Man this thread is old!!!

I watched a show on discovery tonight...and looking on the site, it's not even a couple of months old yet.

If you missed it, watch out for a replay
There was some really good infomation in there about the engine, transmission and suspension design.

[Romeo]

Yeah, I just watched (most of it) too. It was freckin' sick!


<a href="http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/firstrides/122_0507_radical_c1_990/photo_02.html"><img src="http://www.0-300.gr/upload/images/1115822459.jpg" alt="Czysz C1" /></a>

[jrandom]

Yes, it was a great show.

Some of the engineering setbacks were absolutely heartbreaking, but the general feeling will be oh so familiar to anyone who's ever done that sort of development work.

I wonder why they decided to go with a cast block instead of CNC milled?

I looked Motoczysz up on the interwebs after the programme finished. There's a few good tidbits on the website.

[awauckland]

Very nice...I wonder how much one of these would set you back?


http://www.motoczysz.com/sales/collect.php

[Mort]

I watched it too... its a very interesting bike.... I love the front end, single shock, sliders on bearings arrangement and the counter rotating engine...

Jeremy McWilliams said it was unlike any bike he had ridden (He was also 1st rider to crash one.. he he )

The main thought I had was if that fancy engine could make enough power. As the KR team found out....they can make a bike that is half a second a lap faster through better handling but it will always lose out to a bike with 10% more power (with a good rider and handling)

Very interesting bike though...

[sAsLEX]

I wonder why they decided to go with a cast block instead of CNC milled?



Didn't see it but one would have to say $$$?

[jrandom]

It must have gutted the Motoczysz guys when MotoGP changed the engine displacement limit to 800cc for 2007. The C1 was originally meant to be a GP contender; now it's not really good for any big-time racing unless they make and sell enough street-legal versions to qualify for WSBK's homologation rules.

:(

[jrandom]

Didn't see it but one would have to say $$$?

Hmm, doesn't seem like a good reason to me. They were only making a couple of engines, and they had zero time to iterate the design. Of course, the worst happened and the first blocks cast were terrible; they only barely salvaged them with some particularly-expensive ceramic filler treatment.

The doco indicated that they (fortunately) managed to get their casting contractor to cover the cost of getting the blocks up to standard, but given the seven-figure sums they were already spending and the very tight development timeframe, cast blocks seemed like an odd choice to me.

I would have thought that setting up casting would be an expensive process in and of itself, something that only becomes economical when producing in volume. I know that most low-number prototype runs of close-tolerance plastics for engineering projects are generally done with expensive CNC-milled parts rather than injection-molded parts, simply because setting up for molding and then having to change it later is still vastly more expensive than the already-pricey custom machining option.

Oh well, I guess they knew what they were doing, but it felt so familiar to see problems getting in the way of a project because of a bad casting coming back from a contractor. I've seen the same shit happening with injection-molding time and time again.

[sAsLEX]

I know that most low-number prototype runs of close-tolerance plastics for engineering projects are generally done with expensive CNC-milled parts rather than injection-molded parts, simply because setting up for molding and then having to change it later is still vastly more expensive than the already-pricey custom machining option.


Rapid Prototying would be the go for plastics, and they are just getting in to metals with it as well. Faster than CNC and no wasted material!


http://www.3dsystems.com/products/sls/sinterstation_hiq/index.asp

[jrandom]

Rapid Prototying would be the go for plastics...

I'm talking about fully-functional parts for fully-functional first prototypes. Rapid prototyping materials are getting better, but they're still not that close to simulating actual PC/ABS (etc) behaviour.

I suspect that when 100% match between materials in prototyping and production is required, CNC milling will still be the only option for quite some time.

If you're ever in need of rapid prototyping back in NZ, give my mates at Objective Design (http://www.objectivedesign.co.nz/) a yell (I share an office building with them). The Objet technology is pretty darn impressive.

:niceone:

[Hamel]

I too saw the Doco on Discovery Channel. Given that I used to work for Britten and we experienced many of the same frustrations as MotoCzysz, I emailed Michael Czysz with some words of enouragement. One of the things I said to him was "John, if he was alive, would be very, very impressed."
He would have been! This MotoCzysz is a work of genius.

Here's Michael Czysz's reply:

"In John's spirit- F'ING AWESOME!

I am so honored and touched to receive your email. Of course your project was my inspiration, the real catalyst that said this can be done or al least it should be tried- again.

The support from New Zealand has been really amazing. I would love to bring the bike there someday with my family and ride at a few tracks and get to Christchurch.

I am very pleased to meet you Hamish, and already have a favor to ask you. Could I post your email on our blog? and do you have a picture I could post along with it? This means a lot and I will share your email with my team.

All my best to you in 08 as well Hamish.

Sincerely,

Michael Czysz"

I'm sure if you too wanted to add words of encouragement Michael would be really touched. If you want you could tack them on the end of my email which Michaels going to post on his website soon.

[Hitcher]

I think that engine is just brilliant! Two pistons that go up and down, while the other two go down and up. Marvellous!

[ital916]

The question is though, for 100 000 dollars would you go for this or the Desmosedici RR lol

[imdying]

The question is though, for 100 000 dollars would you go for this or the Desmosedici RR lolUnless you own a 999R I don't think there's a choice?

I'd be going the Vyrus over either of them though.

[discotex]

I think that engine is just brilliant! Two pistons that go up and down, while the other two go down and up. Marvellous!

Oooh how facetious Mr Hitch.

I'd love to ride that bike. A IL4 mounted 90 degrees to normal with counter-rotating flywheels would make for a very flickable bike.

Add the funky lateral flex forks that mean the suspension can absorb bumps better when fully cranked over and I can see why they think they're onto something.

That and I think privateers are the true spirit of motorsport. Factory teams sort of turn it into a who's got the bigger cheque book game.