From a 250, to a Gsxr1000. What a difference!

[numbersixteen16]

After owning my 250 for 3 Months, I feel I am a pretty good rider. I get my knee down through corners, take decent racing lines, and can generally ride the bike with confidence,

My mate just got hold of a GSXR1000, 165bhp (dyno proven)..
Just a bit more than my 45 at the crank

After hoping on you notice a firmer, taller seat, and much better ergos in general. Blipping the throttle, it responds in an instant, and is damn loud.

Rolled it down the drive, and made a fool of myself trying to take off. See where on the FZR250 you have to give it some revs and ride the clutch just to go anywhere, on the GSXR this resulted in kicking the back out and stalling...

Now the best part, the power is deadly, anyone who rides these bikes has serious balls. I weigh 70kg, so barely anything. Rolling on the throttle in 3rd still rips my arms off, any gear lower and there is only one wheel touching the tarmac.

I didnt even rev the bike out but managed to get well over 200kph on a 400m straight. Then the speed wobbles down a bumpy country road might just be the most insane thing ever.

My point is: Those Americans who go straight from no experience to 1000cc are idiots, and anyone that takes a 1000cc bike round a race track at speed is a legend.

Still, I look forward to the day I own one of these death traps

[quickbuck]

I looked at the thread title and though... Oh, No... Here we go again.....

Thankfully it was your mates bike, and s/he trusted you enough to have a blast.....

I am so glad you have some new found respect for such a beast.

Nice one.

[Ender EnZed]

:corn:....

[Madness]

:corn: ...

[Jantar]

After owning my 250 for 3 Months, I feel I am a pretty good rider. I get my knee down through corners, take decent racing lines, and can generally ride the bike with confidence,....
After reading this we can safely assume that you are NOT a pretty good rider. :brick:

Good riders do not try and get their "knee down through corners", they do not "take decent racing lines", but they do "generally ride the bike with confidence". So that makes you only 33.3% of being a good rider.

However, your experience on your first ride on a gixxer thou has given you some respect, so here's hoping you can build on that experience and maybe one day you will be "a pretty good rider". :yes:

[nathanwhite]

I think nodrog has been pre-empted here.....

though he'll probably be around soon enough telling OP to get one...:facepalm:

[FJRider]

After reading this we can safely assume that you are NOT a pretty good rider. :brick:

Good riders do not try and get their "knee down through corners", they do not "take decent racing lines", but they do "generally ride the bike with confidence". So that makes you only 33.3% of being a good rider.

However, your experience on your first ride on a gixxer thou has given you some respect, so here's hoping you can build on that experience and maybe one day you will be "a pretty good rider". :yes:

Come on Malc' ... he's been riding his 250 for 3 months now. He almost knows all there is to riding motorcycles. His L plate will be ripped off ... and he'll be starting a thread asking how to get an exemption for a bigger bike soon.

[slofox]

I got me knee down once...followed (almost instantaneously) by my arse, shoulder, head and then everything else...:facepalm:

[Sable]

:corn: ...

[FJRider]

I got me knee down once...followed (almost instantaneously) by my arse, shoulder, head and then everything else...:facepalm:

Tried that once ... didn't like it ...:eek5:

[tigertim20]

ha, big bikes are intoxicating
I let a very few select friends take my bike up the road for a quick blast.
the last one stalled it 5 or 6 times because he was terrified of giving it too much on take off, doing a wheelie, falling on his ass and breaking the bike:facepalm:
he came back and said "I didnt even open it right out in fourth and Im fucking terrified"
He immediately of course wanted to buy one.:sunny:

[slofox]

Tried that once ... didn't like it ...:eek5:

...neither did I...me bike was a bit pissed off as well.

[mossy1200]

Your lucky your mate let you ride his bike on a track day.

[dangerous]

Now before the arse kicking starts, yes we have all done it and some like me have cleaned the mess up, but it is good to see you generally were respectfull... tho the 200k shit was dumb.


I didnt even rev the bike out but managed to get well over 200kph on a 400m straight. Then the speed wobbles down a bumpy country road might just be the most insane thing ever.farking idiot... and how would you have reacted if a cage, kid, ball, dog steeped out in front of ya... grabed a handfull off good oll 1000 brakes? BANG your dead.


Rolled it down the drive, and made a fool of myself trying to take off. See where on the FZR250 you have to give it some revs and ride the clutch just to go anywhere, on the GSXR this resulted in kicking the back out and stalling...really are quite GREEN aint ya man?



After owning my 250 for 3 Months, I feel I am a pretty good rider. I get my knee down through corners, take decent racing lines, and can generally ride the bike with confidence
not had a scear yet aye man...



I looked at the thread title and though... Oh, No... Here we go again.....


Thankfully it was your mates bike, and s/he trusted you enough to have a blast.....


I am so glad you have some new found respect for such a beast.

Nice one.
same... and true, however I dont reconmend such a stunt LOL



After reading this we can safely assume that you are NOT a pretty good rider. :brick:yip bout right there...


h
the last one stalled it 5 or 6 times because he was terrified of giving it too much on take off, doing a wheelie, falling on his ass and breaking the bike:facepalm:well you know ya mate not me but if a rider stalls more than once or at all if concerned of "falling on his arse" then they sure as hell should not be anywere near a 1000.

[onearmedbandit]

Pah I got so bored of riding my thou I now do it with one arm.

[jimichelle]

and never have had my knee down
and unless your on a track why would you?
i have ridden things from a motorised lawnmower up to a 1690cc bike
im from the school of thought
start on a little bike get a size a little bigger .............................then when you do (because you wil)l make mistakes they are at a low speed /less impact damage
is not rocket science is it

[Subike]

I have an 1100, I respect how fast it could kill me,
Knee down? no thank you, I want to keep my Knee caps and the skin on them.
I ride a 250, because I have to get a license, to be legal after too many years of not having one.
The difference between the two bikes is immense, totally different rides, power, control, brakes.
I would call myself an average rider, every time I ride some new incident makes me learn.
But I have been riding for more than 3 mths.
I am happy to thrash my 250, but I would be a fool to ride my 1100 as hard as I do the 250..
Never assume that you will know enough to beat nature,
she will throw rocks, roadkill, pine needles, water run off, mud, and stupid fucking cagers in your path every day you ride.
So ride at a pace you can stop inside the road you can see in front of you.
And you will have fun living to be as old as me and still riding.

[SMOKEU]

Next time you ride a big bike, you should pop in the clutch, then redline it in first gear and dump the clutch.

[BigAl]

Yer just go and buy the most powerfull thou, you know you want to.....

[ducatilover]

and never have had my knee down
and unless your on a track why would you?



Because one can, why buy an inferior bike? Because you wanted to.

I hope you did a dirty skid, SmokeU is offering brilliant advice and I think you should take it and do it, more than once.

You're all a bunch of pussies.

[FJRider]

farking idiot... and how would you have reacted if a cage, kid, ball, dog steeped out in front of ya... grabed a handfull off good oll 1000 brakes? BANG your dead.



One less stupid thread to read I guess ... :yawn:

[98tls]

I used to ride a 1000,now i walk.;)

[FJRider]

I used to ride a 1000,now i walk.;)

I guess "The Brass" is out for you this year ... but the soup kitchen you kindly provide, will be open both days then ... :yes:

[98tls]

I guess "The Brass" is out for you this year ... but the soup kitchen you kindly provide, will be open both days then ... :yes:

Hey if needed no problem,sing out.You taking the long way then?

[FJRider]

Hey if needed no problem,sing out.You taking the long way then?

I was thinking along those lines ... :sunny:

[98tls]

I was thinking along those lines ... :sunny:

Let us know then eh,no problem to make a brew,been many over the years called in for a bowl and left well content and set up for the night ahead.Not like i will have much else to do...:brick:

[aprilia_RS250]

After owning my 250 for 3 Months, I feel I am a pretty good rider. I get my knee down through corners, take decent racing lines, and can generally ride the bike with confidence,

Oh yeah man so know what you talkin' about ;) Feel you!

I owned a Honda CUB had 2HP if lucky. Same as you except I had my knee down on the second day :yes: Was drifting through corners like Gary McCoy by the end of the week, doing stoppies in front of ladies etc etc Then I rode an R1 and maxed it out at 300km/h, first run! Was better than losing virginity!:first:

[dangerous]

It amuses me how some think knee down means good riding, when in fact it can mean just the opisite ie: if ya leaning all wrong and laying the bike over to far seconds from wiping out... but hey cool knee down :facepalm:

[Subike]

It amuses me how some think knee down means good riding, when in fact it can mean just the opisite ie: if ya leaning all wrong and laying the bike over to far seconds from wiping out... but hey cool knee down :facepalm:

its kinda funny to watch when you are going around the outside of them while they are doing it.
especially when its a corner thats so easy you could sit on the bike backwards and still not need the Knee down.
maybee they should try doing it on some std suspended 70"s bikes

[ducatilover]

It amuses me how some think knee down means good riding, when in fact it can mean just the opisite ie: if ya leaning all wrong and laying the bike over to far seconds from wiping out... but hey cool knee down :facepalm:

But...you hang off the bike so it doesn't need to lean as far :sweatdrop

I've had it down, I don't ride so stupid now. I prefer to flip bikes, lowsides are for fags and shit eating monkeys.

[mossy1200]

Knee down is so 2011.
Get your elbow and helmet down and some arse down is better.Take one in the arse for the KB team and stop being a pussy.

[JATZ]

I got my knee down once too :woohoo: followed closely by the rest of me :facepalm:

Will know in a few weeks when I can hand the crutches back in to the hospital :blink:

[tigertim20]

well you know ya mate not me but if a rider stalls more than once or at all if concerned of "falling on his arse" then they sure as hell should not be anywere near a 1000.

ha, he was more scared of what Id do to him if he scratched it than anything else. he's a competent rider, just very aware of what its capable of and preferred to give a little and work forward, rather than give too much and need skin grafts - by far the preferred attitude when Im lending my beloved toy out!

[numbersixteen16]

After reading this we can safely assume that you are NOT a pretty good rider. :brick:

Good riders do not try and get their "knee down through corners", they do not "take decent racing lines", but they do "generally ride the bike with confidence". So that makes you only 33.3% of being a good rider.

However, your experience on your first ride on a gixxer thou has given you some respect, so here's hoping you can build on that experience and maybe one day you will be "a pretty good rider". :yes:

I did not mean to state that I take every corner like a moto gp rider, what I was trying to state was that I have tested my bike and have some experience with taking corners. I do not think Im the best biker out there.

I have spoken to and seen people who dont actually know how to take lines through corners, Ive followed people that try keep their body vertical instead of leaning with the bike. And the worst Ive heard is American learners afraid of using the front brake, as they fear it would throw them over the handlebars. Only an idiot would rely on the rear brake alone to stop.

[numbersixteen16]

Then I rode an R1 and maxed it out at 300km/h, first run! Was better than losing virginity!:first:

Funny, I instantly compared the feeling myself. Im also sure my balls have grown a couple of sizes

[numbersixteen16]

ha, big bikes are intoxicating


Couldnt agree more, all I can think about is going for another blast. I think Ill leave it though, I thought my 450 MX bike pulled well, but these thou's are something else. At least you know youve lived if you own one.

[DODO``]

:corn:....

[GrayWolf]

Funny, I instantly compared the feeling myself. Im also sure my balls have grown a couple of sizes


I did not mean to state that I take every corner like a moto gp rider, what I was trying to state was that I have tested my bike and have some experience with taking corners. I do not think Im the best biker out there.

I have spoken to and seen people who dont actually know how to take lines through corners, Ive followed people that try keep their body vertical instead of leaning with the bike. And the worst Ive heard is American learners afraid of using the front brake, as they fear it would throw them over the handlebars. Only an idiot would rely on the rear brake alone to stop.

Mate,
here we go again the old bastard who pisses on the young and brave's bonfire.... sad thing is 30yrs ago I used to say guys my age were wankers, knew nothing and couldn't handle 'real power' .. as they were on old Brit iron and I was on a Kwaka H1-500.

After 3 months?
you know NOTHING, you haven't been through Winter riding, Autumn leaves, pine needles and damp roads with slime/algae/moss growing across them. All after 3 months you've experienced is summer roads (the gravy).
Getting your knee down looks cool, right? All the best racers do it, right? WRONG... John Surteees and Mike Hailwood (accepted as the greatest TT champion ever) both never did the knee down and climb over the bike style of riding.
Reality? race bikes have better suspension set up for their lines, RACING compound (stickier) tyres, track surface made for racing... If you are over to that extent on the road? you have ZERO reserve if you need to suddenly dive in deeper, and bugger all chance of lifting the bike for a drastic line change if you need to avoid an obstacle in your lane.

200kph on a strange bike? and after only riding a 250? Maybe I am old and scared? I ride bikes that can do up towards 300kph.. I would not just 'fang' some bike when I have no idea of its braking, handling, acceleration, and general road feel'
Old saying and true, there are old pilots, and there are bold pilots.... there are no old bold pilots.

The only good thing out of that situation was hopefully respect for how deadly powerful 600cc plus bikes can be. At my age yes we did come straight off 250's onto 1000cc bikes... generally after a year or so riding a 250.. BUT here is the big difference... a modern 600cc is as fast if not faster than any of those 1000cc blasters of my youth........get the idea?

[Madness]

:yawn:


:corn:

[ducatilover]

Seriously, you're all weak, I would've been doing 350 on the rear wheel

[DODO``]

I guess its all about the experience and the right attitude, I moved up from 250 to 800 and no-one seemed to be that grumpy to me when I was asking questions as it happened.? lucky me :sweatdrop

[ducatilover]

I guess its all about the experience and the right attitude, I moved up from 250 to 800 and no-one seemed to be that grumpy to me when I was asking questions as it happened.? lucky me :sweatdrop

Yes, but your 800 has a mighty 50hp :bleh:

[DEATH_INC.]

I thought my 450 MX bike pulled well, but these thou's are something else.
There's the answer right there, Mxers can generally ride roadies ok (ask choppa, for example). I went from a 250 2 stroke MXer straight to my first turbo, no worries. He has MORE than 3 months bike experience to call into play. 200kph on the road....nothing, My old XC would do 160 odd in the dirt, try that :laugh:
The fact He can respect the bike means he'll prolly be one of the good ones. :niceone:

[DODO``]

Yes, but your 800 has a mighty 50hp :bleh:

which is more than enough & Ill ever need to handle! tee hee hee :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo: hahaha

[ducatilover]

which is more than enough & Ill ever need to handle! tee hee hee :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo: hahaha

I've fallen off slower :D

[ClutchITUP]

The guy rides a RM as well and his mate let him ride his thou. He is obviously not that green D. I wouldnt let any idiot ride my thou I know that( unless I saw their bank statement first). All these old timers on here bitching just want to keep you alive buddy so listen to them but dont for a minute think KB is full of wowsers there is a wealth of knowledge experience on here. It just comes across in an odd way

So good shit I say I had much the same experience the first time I borrowed a thou from red baron 200km/h down the on ramp then I had to brake to merge in with the Mway traffic titwas epic! !

The good thing is if your lucky enough and wise enough you can feel that rush many more times.

TO THE TRACK WITH YOU!!

[SMOKEU]

TO THE TRACK WITH YOU!!

I thought the roads are a race track.

[Sable]

... :corn:

[GrayWolf]

ha, he was more scared of what Id do to him if he scratched it than anything else. he's a competent rider, just very aware of what its capable of and preferred to give a little and work forward, rather than give too much and need skin grafts - by far the preferred attitude when Im lending my beloved toy out!

bollox to both bits of that!! even if he is an experienced racer/moto Xer... no he bloody is'nt competent on the road!

[Madness]

:facepalm:

People really do need to read the preceding posts in a thread to gain this thing called context.

GrayWolf, Tim wasn't referring to the OP, rather a friend of his. :facepalm:

[DODO``]

this context shenanigan again?

[GrayWolf]

uh-huh because you know the guy so well right?
perhaps youd prefer someone to get on a thou for the first time with an ego and no respect?
fuck off back to your whiskey ya old cunt!:bash:

One thing I find irritating, is this seemingly nonchalant use of the C word....... so easy over the internet..... and of course completely safe even to the extent of calling out the other person to come down/here and sort it out.....
Tim if all you can do is use such an abusive term to show your thoughts? You are honestly lacking somewhat in vocabulary.

Accepted that it was not the OP you referd to, for that I apologise the error...

[mossy1200]

Yes, but your 800 has a mighty 50hp :bleh:

Wish my 1670 had 100hp

[ducatilover]

Wish my 1670 had 100hp

I wish my 600 had the torque of your 1670 :yes:
My 100+/-5hp is okay.

[hayd3n]

:corn: .

[GrayWolf]

I wish my 600 had the torque of your 1670 :yes:
My 100+/-5hp is okay.

Wish my ZZR1100 had the torque of the MT :crazy:

[Nzpure]

He can get his knee down but has he mastered the art of ""The Wave"" mmmhmmm
Was riding the harley today waved at a guy on a bandit, he was soo shocked he nearly ran a red light! Hows that for skills huh!

[dangerous]

fuck off back to your whiskey ya old cunt!:bash:Not what I expected from you Tim, and unnessary... this is a open forum were anyone can post their opion which dosnt have to agree with all and not be abused like that... you have been sliding the wrong way over the last month, whats up, girl issues ;)

[DEATH_INC.]

:facepalm:
People really do need to read the preceding posts in a thread to gain this thing called context.

Not the KB way fulla, what are you thinking????

[Madness]

I'm thinking Stoner should have owned that race.

[ducatilover]

Wish my ZZR1100 had the torque of the MT :crazy:
I wish anything I had did :pinch:

[Subike]

Wish my ZZR1100 had the torque of the MT :crazy:

So is it only the big Yammys that can produce torque?
surely there are more torque motors than the V-Max, MT-01, FJ series,
In the new bike market,

[Nzpure]

Oh how i would love to have a fang on one of those newish V-Max!

[ducatilover]

So is it only the big Yammys that can produce torque?
surely there are more torque motors than the V-Max, MT-01, FJ series,
In the new bike market,

V-MAX makes 180nm from memory, need a Rocket 3 to best that :D
The MT doesn't have big on-paper torque, but it's where and how it makes it.
I don't think you'll get much better torque and power than a V-max though, jeez they're cool.

[GrayWolf]

So is it only the big Yammys that can produce torque?
surely there are more torque motors than the V-Max, MT-01, FJ series,
In the new bike market,

ZRX1400... same torque as the MT-01..... 110ft lbs
FJR1300... 100ft lbs of torque not bad for a decade old bike.... Hayabusa..94ft lbs of torque
V max 123ft lbs...... B king 108ft lbs

So the Yammies are right up there for torque

[mossy1200]

ZRX1400... same torque as the MT-01..... 110ft lbs
FJR1300... 100ft lbs of torque not bad for a decade old bike.... Hayabusa..94ft lbs of torque
V max 123ft lbs...... B king 108ft lbs

So the Yammies are right up there for torque

I think some of the MT stage 3 kitted bikes are claiming 130ft lbs and 105hp.
I like the fact the 110 is at 2700 rpm and the vibs make baby batter dizzy

[Number One]

Good on you for recognizing that with great power comes great responsibility.

I still remember the first two times I rode lent 'big bikes' vividly...over 15 years ago but I still can feel that visceral excitement and wow.

The first was a CBR1000, rode over the Takas on my own RG150 and a friend we were riding with sent me off on it...felt like piloting a whale!

Then there was the bike that helped me fall in love with my husband...mmmmmm TL1000s. Omg that bike gave me horn! I jumped on that from my spada 250...felt massive! Lmao

So cool to get that sneak peek of what there is to look forward to with big bikes eh? Thing to keep in mind too is that absolute power corrupts absolutely - see it heaps. Some think cos they can afford a fast bike and can then nail straight lines etc fast that they are fast or skillful riders. In my experience those that did their time on smaller bikes are better smoother riders than those who jumped onto big bikes straight away.

Dead give away I reckon is watching someone u turn , can't do it with your feet on the pegs you should be on a small bike still. In fact basic skills generally seem to lack among this particular brand of biker.

Anyway, it only gets betterer

[GrayWolf]

I think some of the MT stage 3 kitted bikes are claiming 130ft lbs and 105hp.
I like the fact the 110 is at 2700 rpm and the vibs make baby batter dizzy

What is interesting is when you read comments like MT's are wheezy? I guess when you are used to a sprot bike rush of top end power they DO feel 'wheezy'... If you look at the overall power band/rev range they are actually not a lot different to most bikes. My Zed has about 5k of power 6-11.5krpm the MT has about 2.25k power band on a 5.5k red line so if you double that the power band is quite similar in size.. where they 'lack' is the surge of top end HP the big sprot 4's produce....
Keeping the MT in the sweet zone in 4th for most twisty area's I can certainly get through as fast as the ZZR, and with less 'fuss'.

[Madness]

:facepalm:

People really do need to read the preceding posts in a thread to gain this thing called context.

I rest my case.

[blackdog]

130ft lbs and 105hp.


It is the 21st century and we are talking about metric bikes. FFS would it be too much to ask that y'all came to grips with a unit called a Newton metre?

[mossy1200]

It is the 21st century and we are talking about metric bikes. FFS would it be too much to ask that y'all came to grips with a unit called a Newton metre?

The MT site is mainly americans.Maybe 200NM and 69KW.

[GrayWolf]

It is the 21st century and we are talking about metric bikes. FFS would it be too much to ask that y'all came to grips with a unit called a Newton metre?

bloody kids........:bleh:

[98tls]

It is the 21st century and we are talking about metric bikes. FFS would it be too much to ask that y'all came to grips with a unit called a Newton metre?

Yep it would be,cheers for asking though fella.

[FJRider]

bloody kids........:bleh:

Bloody new-fangled maths ... total waste of time. I bet they've even found a new way to work out miles per gallon fuel consumptiom ... :eek5:

[DEATH_INC.]

Bloody new-fangled maths ... total waste of time. I bet they've even found a new way to work out miles per gallon fuel consumptiom ... :eek5:
U.S. or Imperial gallon?

[speights_bud]

It is the 21st century and we are talking about metric bikes. FFS would it be too much to ask that y'all came to grips with a unit called a Newton metre?

:woohoo: Love them ol girls, been fortunate enough to have a play on Taupo and a hill climb recently on a Norton/Jawa 500, mmm Methanol drooolies...

[gatch]

I love how getting your knee down gets slagged off so much.

The purpose of leaning off your bike is essentially to corner at the same speed, with the bike being in a more upright position. Of course this is taken to extremes when racing, but on the road it can be a very useful skill to have in the bag.

Getting a knee down is only an extension of leaning your weight off the side. Hell if you really want to do it for shits and giggles, you can almost do it in a straight line.

If lessons are needed, come see me at manfield. If necessary I'll show your missus how to get her knees down too..

[DEATH_INC.]

I love how getting your knee down gets slagged off so much.
It's not as easy as some seem to think either, some of us shortasses have trouble reaching the ground. But it is a SKILL, and a useful one at that.

[SMOKEU]

If lessons are needed, come see me at manfield. If necessary I'll show your missus how to get her knees down too..

My GF is the one on the left. Can you help her get her knee down?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LeHwurwP-q8/Tc_y1iUcGKI/AAAAAAAABBY/TPEts3R-ztQ/s1600/a5.jpg

[Blackshear]

Had great fun moving to the TLS for a short amount of time after 3 years on the bandit.

Will never forget the feeling of god grabbing my colon and thrusting me forward for the first time, damn near fell off the end.

[Katman]

I love how getting your knee down gets slagged off so much.

The purpose of leaning off your bike is essentially to corner at the same speed, with the bike being in a more upright position. Of course this is taken to extremes when racing, but on the road it can be a very useful skill to have in the bag.

Getting a knee down is only an extension of leaning your weight off the side. Hell if you really want to do it for shits and giggles, you can almost do it in a straight line.

If lessons are needed, come see me at manfield. If necessary I'll show your missus how to get her knees down too..

Dragging your knee does not give you the same ability to take evasive action if required. Not the best position to be in on the road when things turn to shit.

[DEATH_INC.]

Dragging your knee does not give you the same ability to take evasive action if required. Not the best position to be in on the road when things turn to shit.
Sorry, I'm gonna disagree. It gives you more ability to change lines in my experience, not less.

[dangerous]

The purpose of leaning off your bike is essentially to corner at the same speed, with the bike being in a more upright position.
Getting a knee down is only an extension of leaning your weight off the side. Hell if you really want to do it for shits and giggles, you can almost do it in a straight line.

If lessons are needed, come see me at manfield. If necessary I'll show your missus how to get her knees down too..

not really correct mate, but sorta... Knee down is done for verious reasons by many different people. Some use it as a feller guage, some to nudge the bike back up, some as a air brake, some because their stacher is such its simply eiser and yes to help keep the bike up meaning a faster corner as you can then lean more... but for the road its all wankie wankie wank wank.

Myself on the track yes If I need to but on the road na thats dumb, I get in the same body position but tuck the leg hard in to the bike, does the same thing less the wind brake then again ya shouldnt be going that farking fast on the road, and I aint gona rip a cap off.

[mossy1200]

Dragging your knee does not give you the same ability to take evasive action if required. Not the best position to be in on the road when things turn to shit.


Dont drag your knee on the road if its covered in shit?

True though if your dragging a knee your committed beyond adjustment and the need to alter line will ruin your day.Generally on the track racers get that far off the bike because the bike cant be leaned any further without reducing the footprint of the tires on the TRACK.Why would you want to be that lent over on a less than desirable road surface and camber anyway while on road legal rubber thats not going have the traction of a race tire.

[dangerous]

Dont drag your knee on the road if its covered in shit?

True though if your dragging a knee your committed beyond adjustment and the need to alter line will ruin your day.Generally on the track racers get that far off the bike because the bike cant be leaned any further without reducing the footprint of the tires on the TRACK.Why would you want to be that lent over on a less than desirable road surface and camber anyway while on road legal rubber thats not going have the traction of a race tire.shit pic Moss, this is draging ya knee dangerious style man :woohoo:

[ducatilover]

If necessary I'll show your missus how to get her knees down too..
:2thumbsup:

My GF is the one on the left. Can you help her get her knee down?


I... uh... can't see her knees bro



Are people thinking you have to be riding fast to get your knee down?
Come on fellas... Don't be daft, knee down can happen far before you even get near to peg down let alone near the edge of the tyres.
I am personally more comfortable with my arse a bit off the bike in a corner. Comfortable = relaxed = more energy to use being aware = winning and a cup of tea at home after.

[mossy1200]

shit pic Moss, this is draging ya knee dangerious style man :woohoo:

I only got one leg man.Give me a break.

[ducatilover]

I only got one leg man.Give me a break.

I will not say stumped. :sweatdrop

Oops.

[mossy1200]

I will not say stumped. :sweatdrop

Oops.
Cats eye took one off while i had a knee down.:violin:

[ducatilover]

Cats eye took one off while i had a knee down.:violin:

I'd be happy to tell that story in the pub :D

[gatch]

not really correct mate, but sorta... Knee down is done for verious reasons by many different people. Some use it as a feller guage, some to nudge the bike back up, some as a air brake, some because their stacher is such its simply eiser and yes to help keep the bike up meaning a faster corner as you can then lean more... but for the road its all wankie wankie wank wank.

Myself on the track yes If I need to but on the road na thats dumb, I get in the same body position but tuck the leg hard in to the bike, does the same thing less the wind brake then again ya shouldnt be going that farking fast on the road, and I aint gona rip a cap off.

So you get in the same body position, but keep your leg in for less air resistance. So you mean to say you are riding faster than if you had your knee down ? So what lesson are you giving out here man ?


Dragging your knee does not give you the same ability to take evasive action if required. Not the best position to be in on the road when things turn to shit.

Not the best position to be in on the road. Agreed. It is still a useful skill to be employed if you needed to use it.

Why would you not learn something if it may help you even once ?

[dangerous]

So you get in the same body position, but keep your leg in for less air resistance. So you mean to say you are riding faster than if you had your knee down ? So what lesson are you giving out here man ?Its the road and speed should be reduced compaired to the track, who knows whats round the corner, and it depends on the bike, in this case I have a cyl head to rest my knee on, ohhh and its not just about hanging out the side... but getting weight forward to the frount axel, the back will follow, hopfully.

[ducatilover]

Its the road and speed should be reduced compaired to the track, who knows whats round the corner, and it depends on the bike, in this case I have a cyl head to rest my knee on, ohhh and its not just about hanging out the side... but getting weight forward to the frount axel, the back will follow, hopfully.

Agreed, but knee down doesn't mean fast.
I don't see the issue with having your weight to the inside of the bike as we all know hanging off properly = less lean = more tyre on the road = safer.
I've never had a problem changing direction when hanging off, the bike's settled when I get to a corner (given I don't go very fast anyway) and it's happy to do what I tell it to.

But, people who ride uber hard just to get their knee down are usually being violent with the bike and their bodies are too stiff = splat.

[onearmedbandit]

as we all know hanging off properly = less lean = more tyre on the road = safer.


Actually there is more footprint on the road when the bike is tipped over.

[ducatilover]

Actually there is more footprint on the road when the bike is tipped over.

I stand/type/lean corrected.

I'll lick me some windows now and I'll lean my bike much further, make them PPowers work.

[avgas]

Pah I got so bored of riding my thou I now do it with one arm.
Did someone warn you that you would wear the other one out if you kept grinding it away?

Here that kid. Big bikes eat arms.

[avgas]

ZRX1400... same torque as the MT-01..... 110ft lbs
FJR1300... 100ft lbs of torque not bad for a decade old bike.... Hayabusa..94ft lbs of torque
V max 123ft lbs...... B king 108ft lbs

So the Yammies are right up there for torque
Even my old FZS1000 had 99ftlbs........but somehow I lost 10-20hp?

I dyno :msn-wink:

[macka77]

Agreed, but knee down doesn't mean fast.
I don't see the issue with having your weight to the inside of the bike as we all know hanging off properly = less lean = more tyre on the road = safer.


using the weight on the pegs gets the center of gravity down lower dramatically and weights the suspension properly and your not holding on to the bars to hang on , guys that hang off the seat knee down not using pegs only makes the bike top heavy. i stick my inside knee out just to help turn in the bike with the outside knee iv never used knee scrapers on for the road so im not a knee dragger;)

[ducatilover]

using the weight on the pegs gets the center of gravity down lower dramatically and weights the suspension properly and your not holding on to the bars to hang on , guys that hang off the seat knee down not using pegs only makes the bike top heavy. i stick my inside knee out just to help turn in the bike with the outside knee iv never used knee scrapers on for the road so im not a knee dragger;)

A twist of the wrist, books one and two.
Outside knee is gripping the tank, weight not on the bars, that disrupts the bars movement and makes the bike unstable.
Hanging off the seat does not make the bike top heavy.

[avgas]

I simply don't like getting my knee down anymore and found I am faster as I don't have to worry about 'making contact' and concentrate more on throwing the bike around the corner.

I had an incident early on with a catseye @ 150kph. You never want to put you knee anywhere near the ground after shit like that. My knee hurt for months.
But found it works more in my favor now days.............plus its more fun kicking out the rear than getting the knee down.
:crybaby: I miss my 1000 :crybaby::crybaby:
261805

[macka77]

A twist of the wrist, books one and two.
Outside knee is gripping the tank, weight not on the bars, that disrupts the bars movement and makes the bike unstable.
Hanging off the seat does not make the bike top heavy.

my point was using the pegs helps better for steering as well as doing a power slide or going over holes or bumps,, shifting ur ass off the seat an dropping knee out works fine but to a point ,

[numbersixteen16]

I guess to sum up,

Knee dragging is a helpful tool, it can be used as a feeler for how far the bike is tipped over, air brake, flicking the bike back upright.
However, should be practiced on track or a controlled environment, and is more of something that should be done naturally when riding. If your concentrating on getting your knee down your less likely to notice the hazards up ahead.
You should still climb all over the bike to alter center of gravity though.

Correct me if Im wrong

[ducatilover]

I guess to sum up,

Knee dragging is a helpful tool, it can be used as a feeler for how far the bike is tipped over, air brake, flicking the bike back upright.
However, should be practiced on track or a controlled environment, and is more of something that should be done naturally when riding. If your concentrating on getting your knee down your less likely to notice the hazards up ahead.
You should still climb all over the bike to alter center of gravity though.

Correct me if Im wrong

IMO, correct

[Jantar]

....You should still climb all over the bike to alter center of gravity though.

Correct me if Im wrong

You CAN still climb all over the bike to alter center of gravity though you will be much smoother through the corners if you keep your body in line with the bike. Your tyres are designed to maximise the grip when they are at the correct angle of lean for your rate of turn, and that means keeping the center of gravity in line with the bike. Moving the center of gravity around is your last resort when you need everything to correct a mistake that you made earlier.

[gatch]

Just remember, get the wheel spinning BEFORE you enter the turn, else it's not drifting, it's plain ol power oversteer.

[Fast Eddie]

hehe you got bored of one arm too it seems.. :innocent:

[GrayWolf]

Even my old FZS1000 had 99ftlbs........but somehow I lost 10-20hp?

I dyno :msn-wink:

Not sure where the figure you quote was gained? But i do know there can be big differences in how dyno's work...
Bike Specs quote the fazer as 74ft lbs, which would seem about right when compared to similar 'detuned' version engines

Model: Yamaha FZS 1000 Fazer
Year: 2002
Engine and transmission
Displacement: 998.00 ccm (60.90 cubic inches)
Engine type: In-line four, four-stroke
Power: 143.10 HP (104.5 kW)) @ 10000 RPM
Torque: 105.90 Nm (10.8 kgf-m or 78.1 ft.lbs) @ 7500 RPM

http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/yamaha_fzs_1000_fazer_2002.php

[awa355]

Geez, I 'm glad I learnt to ride before these days of 'Expert's and the Internet.

I've never had to get my knee down or slide the rear wheel out. In 44 years riding, neither have been neccessary survival skills. Having enough brains to read the road / envrioment, and leave a decent safety margin has usually done the job.

[onearmedbandit]

'Experts' have always been around. It's only the internet thats made any difference.