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Maha

10th April 2012, 07:40

oneofsix

10th April 2012, 07:55

How can 0 be counted as a toll?
Its not a number...
There was no road toll this easter weekend...so it cant be the lowest.
Surely the lowest must sit at 1?
Anything lower than that is ....nothing. :corn:

But isn't the nothing something of itself?

The ancient Greeks and Romans would have agreed with you, their number system didn't have a zero, the Mayans however did.

Without the number zero this post, your thread, this forum etc etc would not exist because all you have done is posted 0s and 1s.

Where any people involved in the crash toll left in a critical condition? If so there could still be a toll.

Why is it called a toll anyhow? Is it a fee NZ has to pay to be allowed the use of the roads on a holiday? Isn't it just a count?

Maha

10th April 2012, 07:56

0 is a starting point of reference...that, I will conceed.

unstuck

10th April 2012, 08:00

Bloody good result. Well done NZ.:woohoo:

oneofsix

10th April 2012, 08:01

0 is a starting point of reference...that, I will conceed.

This Easter will be the datum against which all others will be measured, if none of the injured die and it therefore stays at 0 deaths caused by road crashes. We can't go lower, or can we? Does a roadside birth in a car count as a negative road toll (-1)? :corn:

oneofsix

10th April 2012, 08:05

Bloody good result. Well done NZ.:woohoo:

Well done Met service. I reckon their weather warnings cancelled most plans and then we had great weather making driving easier for those that did travel :woohoo:

avgas

10th April 2012, 08:05

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"Its costs nothing, but someone pays."

I don't see my ACC refund happening anytime soon.
So toll and zero can be one and the same when vehicles and insurance are involved.

Maha

10th April 2012, 08:29

Well done Met service. I reckon their weather warnings cancelled most plans and then we had great weather making driving easier for those that did travel :woohoo:

There has not been a fatality on NZ roads since April 1st...has the weather really paid a part in keeping road deaths a bay over the last ten days?..or just this easter period?
It could all come down to road users being more attentive on the road...which is good thing.

Tigadee

10th April 2012, 08:33

Where any people involved in the crash toll left in a critical condition? If so there could still be a toll.

Then it should be 0.5 or since critical, 0.75

Maybe it's a "road toll" for the 'fee' that the grim reaper exacts on the roads?

Well done Met service. I reckon their weather warnings cancelled most plans and then we had great weather making driving easier for those that did travel

:yes: I agree! LOL

scumdog

10th April 2012, 08:34

There has not been a fatality on NZ roads since April 1st...has the weather really paid a part in keeping road deaths a bay over the last ten days?..or just this easter period?

It was fine at Whangamata for the Beach Hop, fine all the way home and fine at the Wanaka Warbirds show, in fact down here we've hardly had rain since the beginning of March.

Roads here have been busy-as, multiple big events plus annual get-togethers of Zephyr, Studebaker, VW and several other marques up and down the lower South Island, racing at Ruapuna and Southland...

So where is this 'bad weather' people are referring to? :blink:

oneofsix

10th April 2012, 08:39

There has not been a fatality on NZ roads since April 1st...has the weather really paid a part in keeping road deaths a bay over the last ten days?..or just this easter period?
It could all come down to road users being more attentive on the road...which is good thing.

Fair question. I was referring to Easter only. My half cock theory goes something like the dire weather warning caused people to modify their Easter travel plans and the fuel money was spent on stay at home plans, like extra chocolate, umm chocolate. When the weather came out brilliant it made better conditions for those that were travelling and the others had too little money left to go far. Also this would have played its part;

slow drivers were also clamped down on, he said (acting national road policing manager Rob Morgan).

"We've been looking to even out the speeds and keep traffic flowing smoothly."

Swoop

10th April 2012, 08:42

There did appear to be a lot less out on the roads this easter. Possibly a few could not afford the luxury of heading away for a few days.
Even though, jolly good to see!

nzmikey

10th April 2012, 08:43

oneofsix

10th April 2012, 08:48

limit that the :Police: have enforced .... that is why we have had 0 ( zero ) deaths over the " nominated " long weekend, nothing to do with the good weather & the lack of people going away due to someone saying that the weather was going to be shite or low & behold kiwi's have learnt to drive a cage good like :facepalm:

The Tuis are on you.:drinkup:
That would be why the year to date is down by 50 as well then. Nothing to do with the rising price of petrol and dropping price of airfares, or the recession even. :corn:

Scuba_Steve

10th April 2012, 08:56

This does bring a point. Not once has anyone (in the propaganda machine) ever thanked the only thing saving lives out there.
Just once they need to print "road toll lowest thanks to the car manufactures & the improved safety devices in cars". Just once it'd be nice to see some truth from the propaganda machine. But it ain't gonna happen is it "we must protect the people from the truth"

Haggis2

10th April 2012, 08:59

Maybe the $$$ we are paying to ACC is filtering back through education etc to lower the road toll? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Swoop

10th April 2012, 09:04

Not once has anyone (in the propaganda machine) ever thanked the only thing saving lives out there.
Just once it'd be nice to see some truth from the propaganda machine. But it ain't gonna happen is it...
Thanking the vehicle drivers would be a start. A "pat on the back" for this result.
Perhaps even saying "let's keep it up - get some advanced driving tuition" sort of approach. Yunno... sort of proactive like, instead of the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.

oneofsix

10th April 2012, 09:07

Zedder

10th April 2012, 09:41

How many bike crashes were there? I didn't see one reported over the weekend and yet there were shit loads of bikes out and about.
Were there less crashes or just less fatals? From what I saw earlier in the weekend it was a case of less injury crashes so I guess less crashing was done by all?

I could only find reference to 450 road crashes, no actual breakdown of that to car and bikes.

Bikes were certainly out in force though from what I saw. A great weekend!

Scuba_Steve

10th April 2012, 09:48

Thanking the vehicle drivers would be a start. A "pat on the back" for this result.
Perhaps even saying "let's keep it up - get some advanced driving tuition" sort of approach. Yunno... sort of proactive like, instead of the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff.

Not a bad idea "positive reinforcement", could very well work. Tho like with the truth, we ain't about to see it cause that's not the way to make moneys :no:

James Deuce

10th April 2012, 09:57

The cops can fuck off, it has nothing to do with them.

It has everything to do with the price of petrol and the intersection rule change at the end of March. People have to pay attention at intersections because no one knows how someone is going to behave. Given that intersections are the most dangerous part of road use, I'd say that was the major contributor to keeping the road toll non-existent.

That being said, more people have died this year to date than last year, even with the 10 days of no deaths.

You people still suck.

oneofsix

10th April 2012, 10:30

The Acting Road manager had better watch his back. He sounds like a sensible follow and is not crediting a single factor in the zero deaths, not the way to get promoted :no:. He has even pointed out that many are taking extended breaks with the start of the school holidays as a possible factor in the lack of crashes. Thinking about it most of the crashes do happen in the later part of the break so perhaps he has a point. Less tired, frustrated drivers trying to just get home, on this point the clamp down on slow drivers would have also helped.

Congestion had been heavy around Auckland and along the Kapiti Coast on Friday, but had not been quite as bad yesterday

FJRider

10th April 2012, 10:40

How can 0 be counted as a toll?
Its not a number...
There was no road toll this easter weekend...so it cant be the lowest.
Surely the lowest must sit at 1?
Anything lower than that is ....nothing. :corn:

If it CAN be named ... it is something. You can name anything .... Even nothing. So nothing must therefore be something.

Zero IS a number. My clock tells me it is too ...

Zedder

10th April 2012, 10:45

The Acting Road manager had better watch his back. He sounds like a sensible follow and is not crediting a single factor in the zero deaths, not the way to get promoted :no:. He has even pointed out that many are taking extended breaks with the start of the school holidays as a possible factor in the lack of crashes. Thinking about it most of the crashes do happen in the later part of the break so perhaps he has a point. Less tired, frustrated drivers trying to just get home, on this point the clamp down on slow drivers would have also helped.

But isn't it about multiple factors? Better driving habits, good road/weather conditions, less reckless speeding, less drink-driving etc.

oneofsix

10th April 2012, 10:49

But isn't it about multiple factors? Better driving habits, good road/weather conditions, less reckless speeding, less drink-driving etc.

:yes: and most are discussed above and it is something Mr Morgan is being honest about, even some of the more obtuse ones.

MSTRS

10th April 2012, 11:39

The Easter 'toll' is nothing to be proud of...it is simply the vagaries of dumb luck.
Here's the reality (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/road-deaths/toll.html)

Maha

10th April 2012, 12:38

If it CAN be named ... it is something. You can name anything .... Even nothing. So nothing must therefore be something.

Zero IS a number. My clock tells me it is too ...

Using that logic, it could be feasable to list nothing on TM for $1 reserve?

Scuba_Steve

10th April 2012, 13:00

Using that logic, it could be feasable to list nothing on TM for $1 reserve?

na doesn't work, I try'd that after seeing carbon credits for sale (effectively the same thing). Got pulled after 3 days, seems you gotta offer a physical product with your sale, coulda done up a certificate but that woulda defeated the purpose of my nothing sale.

ellipsis

10th April 2012, 13:02

The Easter 'toll' is nothing to be proud of...it is simply the vagaries of dumb luck.
Here's the reality (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/road-deaths/toll.html)

...my feelings also...I saw a lot of fuckwits out there, just getting away with it...

scumdog

10th April 2012, 13:10

The Easter 'toll' is nothing to be proud of...it is simply the vagaries of dumb luck.
Here's the reality (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/road-deaths/toll.html)

Funny way of organsing the 'casualty age' bit - grouping ranging from 4 years to 19 year lots.

At a quick glance you could be forgiven for thinking that older people are more likely to be a casualty.

FJRider

10th April 2012, 13:24

Using that logic, it could be feasable to list nothing on TM for $1 reserve?

Using that logic ... you have the key to understanding women ... :yes:

Remember the old ... "whats wrong dear" - " Nothing" conversations often heard in relationships ...

MSTRS

10th April 2012, 17:03

At a quick glance you could be forgiven for thinking that older people are more likely to be a casualty.

You forget about 'baby boomers'? Biggest chunk of the population by age grouping. You are one too.

Madness

10th April 2012, 18:04

The weather definitely played a part. When was the last time we had brilliant sunshine for the duration of Easter? Fookin never!

The economy must also deserve a pat on the back for the lack of deaths. I've not been this skint since I was a teenager :facepalm:

mossy1200

10th April 2012, 19:06

I like the way it was put across in the news.

The road toll was the lowest in history for the easter period at zero.

As if it is possible that it could have been lower at some point.

If there had never been a death on the roads in easter it would still be the lowest toll recorded.

p.dath

11th April 2012, 03:29

oneofsix

11th April 2012, 07:02

I don't want to mention bad news about the Easter road toll - but it may not remain at zero. There was at least one critically injured person on the road during Easter, and it is not clear that they will survive yet.
http://www.infonews.co.nz/news.cfm?id=87616

The Easter road toll may still rise at this point in time.

Don't feel too bad :cry:. This possibility was raised in post #2 but thanks for answering the question posted back then.
Also I did note that the police spokesman, Mr Morgan, mentioned that many of the crashes were bad enough that it was only luck (to paraphrase him) that someone hadn't died already.

Maha

11th April 2012, 07:31

short-circuit

11th April 2012, 07:35

...and post #2 is where the thread slanted...the question was about the word zero being used as an official toll number....not when/if people will die as a result of an rendering zero to its proper place in the numeric system.

:oi-grr:............

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oneofsix

11th April 2012, 07:37

...and post #2 is where the thread slanted...the question was about the word zero being used as an official toll number....not when/if people will die as a result of an rendering zero to its proper place in the numeric system.

As soon as you mentioned the road toll in post 1 it was going, sorry but that's just the way it is.
I still think 0 is a toll. A null toll or perversely null toll but still a toll. The Auckland harbour bridge had a toll of x amount now the toll is zero.

Maha

11th April 2012, 07:40

Well thats my phishing done for the morning, better go earn some money...:brick:

oneofsix

11th April 2012, 07:48

Well thats my phishing done for the morning, better go earn some money...:brick:

I feel gutted ... :bye:

Maha

11th April 2012, 13:28

As soon as you mentioned the road toll in post 1 it was going, sorry but that's just the way it is.
I still think 0 is a toll. A null toll or perversely null toll but still a toll. The Auckland harbour bridge had a toll of x amount now the toll is zero.

....the monetary toll on the span is no longer...it does not sit at zero, how can something that is not of this world, even exsist?

This bit is telling..''I still think 0 is a toll''...translation = its your belief that...or opinion...:yes:
Many would have you beleive that White/Balck are colours when the truth is, they are both a shade, there is no grey area.

oneofsix

11th April 2012, 13:31

....the monetary toll on the span is no longer...it does not sit at zero, how can something that is not of this world, even exsist?

This bit is telling..''I still think 0 is a toll''...translation = its your belief that...or opinion...:yes:
Many would have you beleive that White/Balck are colours when the truth is, they are both a shade, there is no grey area.

White is the reflection of all colours and black is the absorption of all colours. Does that then make them both all colours?

Maha

11th April 2012, 14:08

White is the reflection of all colours and black is the absorption of all colours. Does that then make them both all colours?

On the contrary...what it does do however, if going by your discription, is put them both into the mix of the colour spectrum, but not a primary, more of an active participant.

Edbear

11th April 2012, 14:34

On the contrary...what it does do however, if going by your discription, is put them both into the mix of the colour spectum, but not a a primary, more of an active participant.

But did colourful active participants contribute to the zero road toll..? :wacko:

oneofsix

11th April 2012, 14:41

On the contrary...what it does do however, if going by your discription, is put them both into the mix of the colour spectum, but not a a primary, more of an active participant.

But they both ARE the colour spectrum and yes they would be the least primary colours of the lot being as they are the total mix.

Bald Eagle

11th April 2012, 14:46

Next thing you'll be telling us that Teal is a colour

oneofsix

11th April 2012, 14:46

Next thing you'll be telling us that Teal is a colour

Its a bird isn't it? :blink: :innocent:

steve_t

11th April 2012, 14:52

I don't think it's been mentioned but to me it's totally clear: we've had all sorts of weather and had deaths; we've had the speed tolerance lowered and we've had deaths; we've had high petrol prices and had deaths. The one and only factor possibly responsible for this Easter's zero road toll must have been the changing of the give way rule!! :corn::corn:

Zedder

11th April 2012, 15:03

Maha

11th April 2012, 15:05

oneofsix

11th April 2012, 15:09

Oneofsix will probably be along to sort you out shortly.

Thanks ZR but why would I bother the give way rules were another thread and have already been mentioned here. I am having more fun with colours or haven't you been reading?

steve_t

11th April 2012, 15:09

Did you skip the 1st post completely?...there is not a Toll. :brick:

I googled it. It appears that zero IS a number. I believe google :sunny:

Zedder

11th April 2012, 15:30

Thanks ZR but why would I bother the give way rules were another thread and have already been mentioned here. I am having more fun with colours or haven't you been reading?

It's alright, Maha got in before you.

I didn't realise you couldn't multi-topic.

oneofsix

11th April 2012, 15:33

It's alright, Maha got in before you.

I didn't realise you couldn't multi-topic.

you really haven't been reading then have you :nono: This thread alone there has been colours, numbers and crashes, not to mention the other threads. But steve_t is right so where's the fun, the rule changed and people concentrated on their driving. :sunny:

Maha

11th April 2012, 15:34

I googled it. It appears that zero IS a number. I believe google :sunny:

....then explain how number 1 is the first number where every numeric equation starts....
Even NASA dont recognise 0 aa a number...its always been 5-4-3-2-1 see ya later.
Or will you need to google that also?

short-circuit

11th April 2012, 15:36

:yawn: Is this what this place has reduced to?

Bald Eagle

11th April 2012, 15:37

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_number

The concept of zero as a number and not merely a symbol for separation is attributed to India, where, by the 9th century AD, practical calculations were carried out using zero,

Zedder

11th April 2012, 15:46

you really haven't been reading then have you :nono: This thread alone there has been colours, numbers and crashes, not to mention the other threads. But steve_t is right so where's the fun, the rule changed and people concentrated on their driving. :sunny:

Sigh, so why did Maha comment then? Lighten up.

steve_t

11th April 2012, 15:52

....then explain how number 1 is the first number where every numeric equation starts....
Even NASA dont recognise 0 aa a number...its always been 5-4-3-2-1 see ya later.
Or will you need to google that also?

What's a numeric equation? What does 5 minus 5 equal?
Does NASA recognise 6 as a number? :corn:

Without googling, can you all tell me what the primary colours are?

Maha

11th April 2012, 15:59

What's a numeric equation? What does 5 minus 5 equal?
Does NASA recognise 6 as a number? :corn:

Without googling, can you all tell me what the primary colours are?

Numeric is a word I made up for this thread.
Yes NASA recognise 6 as a number, ther are 6 components that make up the right hand glove for an astronaut. (notice its not 'Naught')
And on the colours?....hey I dont know everything.

steve_t

11th April 2012, 16:05

Yes NASA recognise 6 as a number, ther are 6 components that make up the right hand glove for an astronaut. (notice its not 'Naught')

I think you're thinking of astronought :psst:

p.dath

11th April 2012, 16:28

How can 0 be counted as a toll?
Its not a number...
There was no road toll this easter weekend...so it cant be the lowest.
Surely the lowest must sit at 1?
Anything lower than that is ....nothing. :corn:

Zero is a number like any other number.

Imagine an accident that resulted in a pregnant woman giving birth early. We might have a negative road toll then.

Maha

11th April 2012, 16:49

:yawn: Is this what this place has reduced to?

I take you have read through the other 141,509 threads on here Iain?....and you ended up in this one....;)

steve_t

11th April 2012, 18:15

Zero is a number like any other number.

Any other whole number can be classified as odd or even... which one is zero? And no, Maha, I'm not jumping ship :pinch:

Maha

11th April 2012, 18:23

Any other whole number can be classified as odd or even... which one is zero? And no, Maha, I'm not jumping ship :pinch:

But an interesting question that you raise....:yes:

Edbear

11th April 2012, 19:20

This thread is taking its toll... :blink:

Grahameeboy

12th April 2012, 20:54

Numeric is a word I made up for this thread.
Yes NASA recognise 6 as a number, ther are 6 components that make up the right hand glove for an astronaut. (notice its not 'Naught')
And on the colours?....hey I dont know everything.

Okay what is the real issue.........come on don't be shy..lol

Grahameeboy

12th April 2012, 20:55

This thread is taking its toll... :blink:

I dunno...those in "Towers".......:Oops:

Grahameeboy

12th April 2012, 20:57

Any other whole number can be classified as odd or even... which one is zero? And no, Maha, I'm not jumping ship :pinch:

Luckily it was not 10......Maha may have got a wobbly with the "Zero" in it....

Maha

12th April 2012, 22:09

Okay what is the real issue.........come on don't be shy..lol

That...0 on its own, does not count... (see what I did there?)

Luckily it was not 10......Maha may have got a wobbly with the "Zero" in it....

Why is there no 0 Lotto or Powerball?

Good to see ya GB...s'peen a while since one last posted

ellipsis

13th April 2012, 00:29

...nuthin aint worth nuthin...but obviously it is ...Toll is just lacking an 'r' to make it a credible word round here...

p.dath

13th April 2012, 06:37

That...0 on its own, does not count... (see what I did there?)

Why is there no 0 Lotto or Powerball?

Good to see ya GB...s'peen a while since one last posted

Why are there no fractional numbers in Powerball?

Maha

13th April 2012, 06:50

Why are there no fractional numbers in Powerball?

Because that would be rediculous..
My point was...even if you add an extra ball to the line up which would make 41 balls, the highest number would still be 40...not 41.
And thats alot of balls.

oneofsix

13th April 2012, 08:00

That...0 on its own, does not count..

No number on its own counts. To count you require a sequence of numbers.

MSTRS

13th April 2012, 09:03

Any other whole number can be classified as odd or even... which one is zero?

I understand that zero can be either, neither or both. But not at the same time ;)

As for colours...White reflects all parts of the visible light spectrum, whereas Black absorbs all.
Of course, the pertinent point is 'visible'...to the human eye. Other creatures that have vision may perceive things very differently...

Zedder

13th April 2012, 09:08

I understand that zero can be either, neither or both. But not at the same time ;)

As for colours...White reflects all parts of the visible light spectrum, whereas Black absorbs all.
Of course, the pertinent point is 'visible'...to the human eye. Other creatures that have vision may perceive things very differently...

You've zeroed in on it indeed.

oldrider

13th April 2012, 09:25

Zedder

13th April 2012, 10:06

Hmmmmm, all this fuss about nothing! .... :killingme

"There's a skirmish of wit between them."

Maha

13th April 2012, 13:35

No number on its own counts. To count you require a sequence of numbers.
You are absolutely right.

I understand that zero can be either, neither or both. But not at the same time ;)

As for colours...White reflects all parts of the visible light spectrum, whereas Black absorbs all.
Of course, the pertinent point is 'visible'...to the human eye. Other creatures that have vision may perceive things very differently...
I never noticed the PhD after your name before...

Hmmmmm, all this fuss about nothing! .... :killingme

Correct...zero represents nothing.

MSTRS

13th April 2012, 13:49

I never noticed the PhD after your name before...

What? Where? Those bastards...

Correct...zero represents nothing.

In fact it can also mean +nothing or -nothing...

The other thing I know about zero is it is round. With a hole in the middle.

Ocean1

13th April 2012, 14:13

The other thing I know about zero is it is round. With a hole in the middle.

And the hole is larger than the whole.

avgas

13th April 2012, 15:27

The best thing about zero is you can still add as many imaginary numbers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_number) on to it.
But be cautious as
0 + i^2 = -1

oldrider

13th April 2012, 22:55

The best thing about zero is you can still add as many imaginary numbers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_number) on to it.
But be cautious as
0 + i^2 = -1

Hmmmm, 0 and 9 have = value when casting out 9's for checking arithmetic through digital sums. (be prepared to go a little mad here!) :wacko:

I.E. http://www.themathlab.com/natural/mental%20math%20tricks/casting%20nines/casting.htm