If a tree fell in the forest...

[Hitcher]

If a tree fell in the forest and there was nobody there to hear it, would it still make a noise?

[Mooch]

Been drinking have we ? :drinkup:

[oldfart]

If a tree fell in the forest and there was nobody there to hear it, would it still make a noise?

If no one is there to see it, does the tree even exist? :whistle:

[forty two]

:weird: duh, need more information obviously! Size of tree, where in forest, sunrise/sunset, :rofl:

[SixPackBack]

Aaahh grasshopper needs to investigate schroedinger's cat......all will be revealed ....duality etc

[myvice]

There is no tree

[curious george]

Hope Shrodinger's didn't look anything like yours....

[SixPackBack]

Hope Shroedinger's didn't look anything like yours....


Now i hope your not going to make some bullshit about not liking shaved pussy!

[Zed]

If a tree fell in the forest and there was nobody there to hear it, would it still make a noise?...not that could be heard! :sneaky2:

[pete376403]

If a man speaks in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?

[Racey Rider]

4921 good posts,,

and then :oi-grr:


Mr Hitcher,,
you really should have saved this for post 5000 shouldn't you?!

[Waylander]

Is this anything like the sound of one hand clapping?

[Keystone19]

If a man speaks in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?

yep.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Suney]

I hear like a bat so of course it makes a noise

[sAsLEX]

define noise!?


of course it makes an impact or else it wouldnt be fallen and if it makes an impact it must of lost some Ep which must of gone gomewhere, cant of all gone to heat or a fire would of started so some must of been sound.

[KATWYN]

It creates an energy - but if no-one or no thing (with audible
senses) are there to hear it - then it hasn't made a noise or
a sound (sound is something that is heard)

What if a deaf person was there? did it make a noise?

Well thats my opinion - . Is there a right
answer to that question Hitcher???

[SixPackBack]

define noise!?


of course it makes an impact or else it wouldnt be fallen and if it makes an impact it must of lost some Ep which must of gone gomewhere, cant of all gone to heat or a fire would of started so some must of been sound.

Could have fallen in an immaculate vacum?

[Big Dave]

alternatively:

'If a tree falls in a forest and it lands on a mime artist - does anybody care'

[Ixion]

OH NO.

I HATE THAT DAMNED CAT :mad: :argh: :ar15: :headbang: :Pokey: :spudwhat: :spudgrr:

I thought that I'd be safe from it here at least.

For Gods sake noone mention quantum

[sAsLEX]

a sound (sound is something that is heard)

What if a deaf person was there? did it make a noise?


ummm isnt it a vibration of the air in waves!?!


sound "is an alternation in pressure, particle displacement, or particle velocity propagated in an elastic material" (Olson 1957) or series of mechanical compressions and rarefactions or longitudinal waves that successively propagate through media that are at least a little compressible (solid, liquid or gas but not vacuum).

[SixPackBack]

OH NO.

I HATE THAT DAMNED CAT :mad: :argh: :ar15: :headbang: :Pokey: :spudwhat: :spudgrr:

I thought that I'd be safe from it here at least.

For Gods sake noone mention quantum

Yeah we know your RRREEAAly clever and you still have'nt got any idea what qauntum is all about.......shit no one has, lets stop trying to pretend. * 2 pages of smart asses trying to assert themselves follows*

[FROSTY]

shouldnt it be a case of --if a tree falls in the forest does anybbody care ???

[Big Dave]

OH NO.

I HATE THAT DAMNED CAT :mad: :argh: :ar15: :headbang: :Pokey: :spudwhat: :spudgrr:

I thought that I'd be safe from it here at least.

For Gods sake noone mention quantum


If only someone had set Pavlov's dog on it!
and Mamma Cass had given that sandwich to Karen Carpenter
and.....

Anyway, I prefer the Kaos theory....Schtarker!

[Big Dave]

Yeah we know your

not - or you would have said 'you're'. :bleh:

[MacD]

OH NO.

I HATE THAT DAMNED CAT

Have you seen my cat? ;)

[wkid_one]

Isn't 'noise' the result of airwave vibrations interacting with our ear drums - therefore if they was nothing to interpret the vibrations in the air - wouldn't all you would have is vibrations in the air (not noise)???

[Timber020]

If a tree falls and no one is there to hear it, then I would invoice the land owners for the felling and expect to get full rates for the lumber minus skidding and trucking costs.

Does a falling tree make a sound, yeah in my world they do, its cha ching!

[Ixion]

If a tree falls and no one is there to hear it, then I would invoice the land owners for the felling and expect to get full rates for the lumber minus skidding and trucking costs.

Does a falling tree make a sound, yeah in my world they do, its cha ching!

Now THAT has to be th emost sensible response of all.

[parsley]

Yeah we know your RRREEAAly clever and you still have'nt got any idea what qauntum is all about.......shit no one has, lets stop trying to pretend.
It's easy - quantum means "add another nought".

[Ixion]

It's easy - quantum means "add another nought".

More likely add another Wizard. pterry is the only one who understands quantum

[Pixie]

No,but the hippy hugging it would get squashed

[Storm]

Anyway, I feel people are overlooking the most important bit. Just what has Mr H been drinking lately? First the dirty rhymes, now this, the deep and introspective stuff. Whats next, the "I loves youse fullas.Yoush are my bessh mates" ?

On the other hand, its lasted at least a day or two, so well done on the length of the bender

[zadok]

It creates an energy - but if no-one or no thing (with audible
senses) are there to hear it - then it hasn't made a noise or
a sound (sound is something that is heard)

What if a deaf person was there? did it make a noise?

Well thats my opinion - . Is there a right
answer to that question Hitcher???
Good answer.

[kerryg]

If a tree fell in the forest and there was nobody there to hear it, would it still make a noise?


Aaaah...a metaphysical thread. This could be interesting......


Leads us to quantum physics and other mind-bending stuff. These are not my words (it's about the Copenhagen interpretation)

Nature at a sub-atomic level does not conform to normal logic. An electron ..shows signs of being a particle..but it also shows signs of being a wave (so-called wave-particle duality)..and it cannot be a wave and a particle at the same time. Wave particle duality is nature's way of informing us that we have no right to impose our human concepts on the sub-atomic level...An electron is not a thing until we observe it.. If so does this not imply that reality depends on our observations?...and does this not imply that reality is created by human thoughts??



Hence, no observer, no sound. That's the answer according to metaphysical idealism... :yes:

[Lou Girardin]

Whenever I hear philosophy I reach for my revolver. ( To paraphrase Hermann Goering)

[Sniper]

Fine, I'll be the one to answer logically. Yes it does

[kerryg]

Whenever I hear philosophy I reach for my revolver. ( To paraphrase Hermann Goering)


Interesting choice of source, Lou :whistle:

[Riff Raff]

By "no one being there to hear it" I assume that means humans - it would say "nothing" if it meant all creatures. Therefore there will still be creatures with aural sensory organs to hear the thud. And even if there has been a nuclear holocaust, there would still be those damn cockroaches around to hear it.

[Paul in NZ]

2 cows are in a paddock and one falls.... Regardless of where there is anyone near, it is not (a) herd.

Paul N (as deep as a..

[Bartman10]

My $0.02 worth: it depends what you define as sound. Does molecular compression and expansion in the range 20-20,000 Hz constitute sound? What do you mean by 'nobody'? If an animal herd it would it be making a sound to that animal.

Ultimately the point of a measurement (in this case by your ear) is to make a decision, and depending on the risks or benefits involved you take an action, which may or may not be appropriate.

In light of the above point I'd have to say 'who cares?'. :whocares:

Oh and kill the friggen cat will ya, before it pisses on the carpet.

[Lou Girardin]

Interesting choice of source, Lou :whistle:

He had some interesting quotes.
Another was, 'If you see English planes over Berlin, you can call me Meyer"

I bet no-one did though.

[unhingedlizard]

heard of cows?

[Paul in NZ]

heard of cows?

Of course I have, you heard of chickens? (falling)

[unhingedlizard]

if a man farted in a spacesuit, would anyone hear it? And would he still get invited to parties?

[Sniper]

2 cows are in a paddock and one falls.... Regardless of where there is anyone near, it is not (a) herd.

Paul N (as deep as a..

Two cows in a paddock, one turns to the other and says, "I hope this mad cow disease doesn't come here". The other replies," Doesnt bother me, Im a helicopter" (Helicopter sound with spitting included noise attached here) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :clap: :clap:

Sorry

[sAsLEX]

Hence, no observer, no sound. That's the answer according to metaphysical idealism... :yes:

your in a room with four walls of green red brown and blue spaced around in that order, room is square. You are looking at the wall directly in front of you and it is red. What is the colour of the wall behind you?











well since you cant observe the wall it must have no colour. Dumb metaphsics is rubbish

[Waylander]

well since you cant observe the wall it must have no colour. Dumb metaphsics is rubbish

Just had to ruin it for me... Was all set to say blue and then you have to go and get phylisophical about it...:oi-grr::motu:

[mstriumph]

... i wish i'd said that .....on second thoughts, mebbe not :no:
2 cows are in a paddock and one falls.... Regardless of where there is anyone near, it is not (a) herd.

Paul N (as deep as a..

[kerryg]

Dumb metaphsics is rubbish


Yeah well I'm not much into it myself either but I am fascinated by some of the scientific stuff surrounding quantum physics (unfortunately handicapped in my ability to understand it AT ALL due mainly I suppose to ...stupidity).

Mainstream cosmological science now encompasses stuff that really bends the mind. It is kind of metaphysical stuff, but it's real science. Try googling subjects like the Big Bang or Quantum Jump.Dark matter. Anti-matter. Space-time continuum.

Our old ways of understanding things just don't cut the mustard.

"There's more to heaven and earth..." as that fulla said.

[sAsLEX]

Yeah well I'm not much into it myself either but I am fascinated by some of the scientific stuff surrounding quantum physics (unfortunately handicapped in my ability to understand it AT ALL due mainly I suppose to ...stupidity).

Mainstream cosmological science now encompasses stuff that really bends the mind. It is kind of metaphysical stuff, but it's real science. Try googling subjects like the Big Bang or Quantum Jump.Dark matter. Anti-matter. Space-time continuum.

Our old ways of understanding things just don't cut the mustard.

"There's more to heaven and earth..." as that fulla said.

or read in a nutshell by the wheel chair genius


on another matter I like the explanation of multiple universes/realities through the diffraction patterns of electrons through a thin slot, wether they are fired constanly or singularly they act the same, suggesting that when they are there on there own something is effecting them which could be in another reality.

[kerryg]

on another matter I like the explanation of multiple universes/realities through the diffraction patterns of electrons through a thin slot, wether they are fired constanly or singularly they act the same, suggesting that when they are there on there own something is effecting them which could be in another reality.


Well...this could take a while...... :whistle: Na, just joking. I'm the wrong guy to attempt it. :no:

But that is the wave-particle duality thing. It is apparently not understood, but can be demonstrated experimentally in the photo-electric effect experiment you are (probably) talking about. One source I referred to said about it "one of the most fundamental principles of science seems to be mocked by these results: the notion that we are dealing with, and can know the details of, the objective world". I thought that was kinda cool. Comes back to the tree in the forest, eh?


But I'm no scientist, and am just repeating parrot-fashion what I've read and only partially understood.

[ZorsT]

Mr H...

WHAT HAVE YOU STARTED?

[unhingedlizard]

if I whisper sweet nothings into a womans ear, and it turns out she is deaf,


is the court order still valid?

[mstriumph]

He's just having a really good time! :rofl:
Mr H...

WHAT HAVE YOU STARTED?

[WINJA]

THIS REMINDS ME OF WHAT MY FRIEND ONCE SAID , WE HAD A DEREGISTERED DATSUN 120Y PAINTED LIKE THE GENERAL LEE , WE USED TO BREAK INTO FORESTRY ROADS TO RACE IT AROUND , I SAID TO HIM WILL WE GET INTO TROUBLE HE SAID IF A DATSUN IS RACING THRU THE FOREST AND NO ONE IS THERE TO HEAR IT DID IT ACTUALLY HAPPEN , RIP

[SPman]

...Oh and kill the friggen cat will ya, before it pisses on the carpet.
or could it????

Aaaah quantum theory.....where something is there or its not, is something or something else, here or there or everywhere, is or isnt.........
A bit like the KB site!

[Artifice]

well, the cat theory falls apart when the dead zombie cat eats the brains of the live cat and that one becomes a zombie cat also and then they start a plague of scientist hating quantum zombie cats. :beer:

[Virago]

or read in a nutshell by the wheel chair genius


on another matter I like the explanation of multiple universes/realities through the diffraction patterns of electrons through a thin slot, wether they are fired constanly or singularly they act the same, suggesting that when they are there on there own something is effecting them which could be in another reality.
.........42?

[KATWYN]

ummm isnt it a vibration of the air in waves!?!


that may be the physics of it, but It still has to be heard (by someone or something at whatever level) to have made a noise - IMHO

[sAsLEX]

that may be the physics of it, but It still has to be heard (by someone or something at whatever level) to have made a noise - IMHO

if a deaf person claps in the woods is he making a noise?

[Lucyloo]

I can't actually believe that I have read through this entire thread.........
I MUST be bored!

[Slingshot]

alternatively:

'If a tree falls in a forest and it lands on a mime artist - does anybody care'


Or...If a tree falls in a forest and crushes a [insert motorcycle brand here] - does anybody care?

[Waylander]

Or...If a tree falls in a forest and crushes a [insert motorcycle brand here] - does anybody care?
Not if it's a Gixxer.


Ok ok no more digs at jinxers...

[Sniper]

Not if it's a Gixxer.


Ok ok no more digs at jinxers...

Yep save that for the other thread :rofl:

[Riff Raff]

OH NO. I HATE THAT DAMNED CAT :mad: :argh: :ar15: :headbang: :Pokey: :spudwhat: :spudgrr:
I thought that I'd be safe from it here at least.

'PERHAPS I SHALL TRY ONE MORE TIME,' Death said.
He reached down and lifted up a small kitten, patted it on the head, lowered it gently into the box, and closed the lid.
'THE CAT DIES WHEN THE AIR RUNS OUT?'
'If I understand it right, you don't know if the cat's dead or alive until you look at it,' said Albert.
'THINGS WILL HAVE COME TO A PRETTY PASS, ALBERT, IF I DID NOT KNOW WHETHER A THING WAS ALIVE OR DEAD WITHOUT HAVING TO GO AND LOOK.'
'Er... the way the theory goes, sir, it's the act of lookin' that determines if it's alive or not.'
Death looked hurt. 'ARE YOU SUGGESTING I WILL KILL THE CAT JUST BY LOOKING AT IT?'
'It's not quite like that, sir.'
'I MEAN IT'S NOT AS IF I MAKE FACES OR ANYTHING.'
'I think the whole cat in the box idea is one of them metaphors,' said Albert.
'AH. A LIE.'

[Slingshot]

Not if it's a Gixxer.


Ok ok no more digs at jinxers...


I was going to use gixxer but could stand the though of the flame war or red rep points....It's fair to say I erred on the side of caution.

[NC]

Does a bear shit in the woods?

[Paul in NZ]

if a deaf person claps in the woods is he making a noise?

Only if observed by a blind person

[NC]

Only if observed by a blind person
:clap: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Lou Girardin]

Does a bear shit in the woods?

Does a duck with a hard-on drag weed?

[k14]

It creates an energy - but if no-one or no thing (with audible
senses) are there to hear it - then it hasn't made a noise or
a sound (sound is something that is heard)

What if a deaf person was there? did it make a noise?

Well thats my opinion - . Is there a right
answer to that question Hitcher???
It makes a sound, ie the particles oscillating away from the source, but I'm not sure about "noise". If sound is the same thing as noise then yes it does make noise, if noise has to be heard to actually exist then no it doesn't make any "noise" but it does make a sound.

As for the quantum physics, just don't even go there. Bosons, Fermions, Positrons, Leptons, Muons and everything else you can thing of that ends in "ons". I passed the paper and thats all i care :whistle:

[NC]

Does a duck with a hard-on drag weed?
:rofl: :rofl: It's his keel

[Paul in NZ]

:rofl: :rofl: It's his keel

So slow drakes get more ducks?

Wonder if it works with Dukes?

[MSTRS]

Anyone notice that Hitcher did his NastyWork and never came back? Not even to the BadSpellers and suchlike.

[KATWYN]

It makes a sound, ie the particles oscillating away from the source, but I'm not sure about "noise". If sound is the same thing as noise then yes it does make noise, if noise has to be heard to actually exist then no it doesn't make any "noise" but it does make a sound.

:



heres one. Place a tape recorder in the forest ....it picks up the sound/noise it made while falling down when no one was there.

The vibration may have caused another plant to topple - if sound waves
are what caused the toppling....then the tree falling made a sound

I reakon you are right "is sound the same definition as noise"

"if a tree fell down in a forest and no one was there to hear it did it
make a sound?"

"if a tree fell down in a forest and no one was there to hear it did it
make a noise?"

[Ixion]

'PERHAPS I SHALL TRY ONE MORE TIME,' Death said.
He reached down and lifted up a small kitten, patted it on the head, lowered it gently into the box, and closed the lid.
'THE CAT DIES WHEN THE AIR RUNS OUT?'
'If I understand it right, you don't know if the cat's dead or alive until you look at it,' said Albert.
'THINGS WILL HAVE COME TO A PRETTY PASS, ALBERT, IF I DID NOT KNOW WHETHER A THING WAS ALIVE OR DEAD WITHOUT HAVING TO GO AND LOOK.'
'Er... the way the theory goes, sir, it's the act of lookin' that determines if it's alive or not.'
Death looked hurt. 'ARE YOU SUGGESTING I WILL KILL THE CAT JUST BY LOOKING AT IT?'
'It's not quite like that, sir.'
'I MEAN IT'S NOT AS IF I MAKE FACES OR ANYTHING.'
'I think the whole cat in the box idea is one of them metaphors,' said Albert.
'AH. A LIE.'


Every forum I go to, that damned cat crops up sooner or later. I'm with DEATH , it's a lie.

I want a new law. Like Godwin's Law. As soon as schroedinger's cat is mentioned the thread is terminated.

[Slingshot]

Anyone notice that Hitcher did his NastyWork and never came back? Not even to the BadSpellers and suchlike.

we should lay some bate and see if we can get a recation

hitcher your the man and we need you to keep us all on the strat and narow

Im off to go and have a bear

See youll later

[unhingedlizard]

we should lay some bate and see if we can get a recation

hitcher your the man and we need you to keep us all on the strat and narow

Im off to go and have a bear

See youll later


Umm, so those tears on your leathers really weren't from gravel rash.

[mstriumph]

.... or spontaneously combusts in catastrophic manner ...
Every forum I go to, that damned cat crops up sooner or later. I'm with DEATH , it's a lie.

I want a new law. Like Godwin's Law. As soon as schroedinger's cat is mentioned the thread is terminated.

[sAsLEX]

we should lay some bate and see if we can get a recation

hitcher your the man and we need you to keep us all on the strat and narow

Im off to go and have a bear

See youll later

get s8r_boi back here, he is hitchers favourite little freind

[NC]

get s8r_boi back here, he is hitchers favourite little freind
I'm sure that's meant to be fiend... heh

[Beemer]

If a brunette dyes her hair blonde, will her brain cell count drop?

[Paul in NZ]

If a brunette dyes her hair blonde, will her brain cell count drop?

Only if it falls in a forest with a blind man to see it drop and a deaf man to hear it.

[onearmedbandit]

...and the mute tells everyone about it.

[mstriumph]

and the one-armed man posts it single-handedly to this forum and nobody reads it ....

[Big Dave]

I want a new law. .

Cohen's Law:
What really matters is the name you succeed in imposing on the facts - not the facts themselves.

s'true - google it.

[onearmedbandit]

and the one-armed man posts it single-handedly to this forum and nobody reads it ....

Nobody, [sniff sniff], come on someone read it.....

[MSTRS]

Nobody, [sniff sniff], come on someone read it.....
I typed this using one finger,. Does that make you feel better?

[yungatart]

I typed this using one finger,. Does that make you feel better?
I read it with one eye-does that help to ease the pain?

[onearmedbandit]

Awww, thanks guys. You're the best.