ACC is looking for providers for their "National Motorcycle Training Programme"

[Paul in NZ]

Anyone know Andrew Templeton???

If so flick this over to him?

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ACC is seeking to establish a Motorcycle Training Programme, offering a standard competency based national approach to encourage and improve safer riding on our roads.

We want to identify a range of suitably qualified and experienced motorcycle trainers to focus on currently licensed riders across two target audiences – riders of motorcycles above 250cc and motorcycles/scooters below 250cc.

ACC seeks proposals from suppliers who are i(6)-endorsed and able to meet the requirements detailed in the RFP to provide training. We anticipate training to commence by 1 October 2012.

A Request for Proposals (“RFP”) for National Motorcycle Training Programme will be issued on ACC’s e-sourcing solution “ARIBA”. To submit a response to this RFP please email Lindsay.Johnson@acc.co.nz and provide:

• reference # WS44284
• company’s legal name
• physical address
• phone number
• name of the nominated contact for your company
• nominated contact person’s phone number and email address.

You will receive a system-generated User ID and password and will then be invited to the RFP event.

Note:
ACC will open the RFP event on or about Monday 16 April 2012.
RFP responses for National Motorcycle Training Programme must be submitted in ARIBA by 12.00 noon on Monday 14 May 2012.
Respond by Date
Address Enquiries to
All communication and enquiries should be made in writing and addressed to:

ACC Corporate Office
PO Box 242
The Vogel centre
19 Aitken St
Wellington
Attn: Lindsay Johnson
Senior Category Manager
Email: Lindsay.Johnson@acc.co.nz

[Conquiztador]

I get the Governments Tender Requests as part of my job. This one caught my eye:


GETS Reference: 35952

ACC is seeking to establish a Motorcycle Training Programme, offering a standard competency based national approach to encourage and improve safer riding on our roads.

We want to identify a range of suitably qualified and experienced motorcycle trainers to focus on currently licensed riders across two target audiences – riders of motorcycles above 250cc and motorcycles/scooters below 250cc.

ACC seeks proposals from suppliers who are i(6)-endorsed and able to meet the requirements detailed in the RFP to provide training. We anticipate training to commence by 1 October 2012.

A Request for Proposals (“RFP”) for National Motorcycle Training Programme will be issued on ACC’s e-sourcing solution “ARIBA”. To submit a response to this RFP please email Lindsay.Johnson@acc.co.nz (Lindsay.Johnson@acc.co.nz) and provide:


• company’s legal name
• physical address
• phone number
• name of the nominated contact for your company
• nominated contact person’s phone number and email address.

You will receive a system-generated User ID and password and will then be invited to the RFP event.

Note:
ACC will open the RFP event on or about Monday 16 April 2012.
RFP responses for National Motorcycle Training Programme must be submitted in ARIBA by 12.00 noon on Monday 14 May 2012

All communication and enquiries should be made in writing and addressed to:

ACC Corporate Office
PO Box 242
The Vogel centre
19 Aitken St
Wellington
Attn: Lindsay Johnson
Senior Category Manager
Email: Lindsay.Johnson@acc.co.nz



I am not in a position to do this, but I suspect that there would be the ones among us on here that could see this as something they could get involved in. There will also be a complete Tender Document outlining all you need to know that will become available soon.


My recommendation, if you are keen to investigate this further for you and/or your organisation/company, is to in first instance contact Lindsay Johnson and inform that you are in a position to provide the service, but you would like more information. If you are not registered with the Government Tender Servise, then you might have to do so. But I suspect Lindsay could help you to do so.

(I would expect AA, VTNZ and others similar are contenders, as this would be a good sustainable income stream.)

Good Luck!

[oneofsix]

Anyone know Andrew Templeton???

If so flick this over to him?



I thought ACC did. Doesn't he run most of their rider training days around here?

[Swoop]

California Superbike School already has the programme. Make it nationwide and compulsory.

*ding*, next problem!

[Paul in NZ]

Yeah but he will still need to reply to this and they probably won't send it directly (who knows)

God help us if those motorcycle hating suck arses at the AA decide to run it....

[oneofsix]

Yeah but he will still need to reply to this and they probably won't send it directly (who knows)

God help us if those motorcycle hating suck arses at the AA decide to run it....

I read it as not being a one supplier model :facepalm: If the AA or some other cage focused group get near it :sick:

[Conquiztador]

California Superbike School already has the programme. Make it nationwide and compulsory.

*ding*, next problem!

Perhaps, but we are talking about the Government (ACC) and the process they follow. CSS has to apply to be considered for this, in same way everyone would have to do. And as the full Tender Document is yet to be released I do not have the information regarding what the expectations are. Perhaps there is a expectation that every town would have this? Perhaps there is a expectation that the bikes are provided, perhaps there is a expectation that... and so on. Just because someone looks like the obvious choice on the outside does not mean that they are the best choice. Perhaps the decision will be to go with the best provider in each town meaning that there would be a multitude of providers? It will also come down to costs...

[Bassmatt]

It will all come down to costs...

fify. :innocent:

[Bassmatt]

I read it as not being a one supplier model :facepalm: If the AA or some other cage focused group get near it :sick:

Will make a mockery of the whole thing.

[Bald Eagle]

Well it saves MOTONZ wasting our $30 special levy if ACC are going to do their work for them. Oooops forgot they are AA fans as well :sick:

[Paul in NZ]

I sent it to Andrews website but seriously this is a worry..... SURELY to goodness this is something MOTONZ should be driving or providing a list of trainers for???

[oneofsix]

I sent it to Andrews website but seriously this is a worry..... SURELY to goodness this is something MOTONZ should be driving or providing a list of trainers for???

That is a confusing relationship anyhow. Perhaps it is one of MOTONZ recommendations to ACC :blink:

[Gremlin]

Have to hold a class 6 Instructor endorsement. Most likely all the existing companies (Riderskills, Roadcraft School of Motoring, Qkchk's in Auckland to name a few) will be what ACC is looking for, and would make the most sense.

[Conquiztador]

fify. :innocent:

Please do not change what I wrote and then "quote" it.

Red bling provided as reward.

[avgas]

Or they could simply allow us to get more practice in........perhaps free track time?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_%28book%29

You can't teach riding, you can only learn it, people learn by doing not hearing.

[DidJit]

California Superbike School already has the programme. ...

+1 :niceone:


... people learn by doing not hearing.

+1 :ride:

[steve_t]

Free CSS training? Keen!

I see ACC are piloting "preventative' programmes like paying for people's decks to be sprayed for moss annually :wacko:. Hopefully, someone will suggest some of that preventative strategy money goes toward providing bikers with free training :yes::scooter:

[p.dath]

I wonder if they realise we already have a nationally developed standardised NZQA approved motorcycle courses - unused.

I don't see the point in paying to develop something the tax payer has already paid to do.

[scracha]

Free CSS training? Keen!



Yeah...cos the CSS training would be sooooo useful on the road. :brick:

[steve_t]

I wonder if they realise we already have a nationally developed standardised NZQA approved motorcycle courses - unused.

I don't see th epoint in paying to develope something the tax payer was already paid to do.

Does NZQA still exist? :eek5:

[Gremlin]

For those wanting training, but put off by the cost... consider IAM: http://www.nz-iam.org.nz/

[DidJit]

Yeah...cos the CSS training would be sooooo useful on the road. :brick:

It most definitely is. :yes: I use the techniques taught at CSS everyday. Even on my commute up and down the motorway.

[Conquiztador]

Hmmm... Not sure what this does in "Survival Skills"??? This was all about informing the people who do not get the Government Tenders about this opportunity to perhaps complete the documentation and have a chance of starting/expanding their business.

But what do I know, I am not a chosen one.

[Qkchk]

Have to hold a class 6 Instructor endorsement. Most likely all the existing companies (Riderskills, Roadcraft School of Motoring, Qkchk's in Auckland to name a few) will be what ACC is looking for, and would make the most sense.

"Qkchk's:love: Ridertraining.co.nz

[Devil]

Yeah...cos the CSS training would be sooooo useful on the road. :brick:

CSS do customised courses around the world - for the US military as an example.

[R-Soul]

Or they could simply allow us to get more practice in........perhaps free track time?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_%28book%29

You can't teach riding, you can only learn it, people learn by doing not hearing.

yeh and nah

If you learn why you are doing it, and understand the principles, you will learn faster when actually doing it in practice.

also it helps to have those principles be correct and from peopel that know what they are doing, as opposed to much of the "advice" given on this site.

[avgas]

yeh and nah

If you learn why you are doing it, and understand the principles, you will learn faster when actually doing it in practice.

also it helps to have those principles be correct and from peopel that know what they are doing, as opposed to much of the "advice" given on this site.
Often those who know what they are doing are the last to speak. Or in many cases - the last to stick their hands up and train others. Many of them have learnt it from doing more than listening.
Not saying that all advice is useless - just 90% of it.
Life is all talk until something happens.

[R-Soul]

Yeah...cos the CSS training would be sooooo useful on the road. :brick:

Hell yes it would - remember most bike accidents occur with one vehicle (the bike) going off on a corner... about 45% of bike accidents in fact.

If the govt could get a subsidised course for all four levels of the CSS courses for $1000, and negate that 45% down to 10% or lower, they would be SAVING money.
Remember its not just the money that the government pays on ACC to rehabilitate that rider (easily into the $100k per rider with serious injuries), and to pay money to the rider or income lost due to teh accident (easily more $100k's) but you also have to measure the socioeconomic effect - what happens to a family (especially kids) when a breadwinner is missing, the loss of productivity in the economy (and tax loss) from that breadwinner, knowledge drain, etc.

CSS teaches you how to corner properly, overcoming bad survival reactions, good cornering lines, good body positioning, what the bike is really capable of, and also after you have ridden on a track, you just feel less inclined to push your luck on the road (because you know what the bike can do, rather than trying to find out what it can do). If CSS was slightly modified to inlcude advanced road riding techniques, it would be great!

The government would score big time in the long run by providing free CSS-type courses and if they managed to get that 45% down to a negligble amount.

[Gremlin]

R-Soul, you're only somewhat correct.

Some of the principles taught on the track are actually the opposite of the skills taught in advanced road riding.

CSS and other track day tuition do allow you to get comfortable with your and your bike's abilities in a safe environment, but do nothing to teach hazard observation in the normal road environment, cornering lines are not the same and your body position on the bike will vary as well.

[pritch]

Will make a mockery of the whole thing.

ACC specialise in making a mockery of things. Be afraid, be very afraid.:whistle:

[R-Soul]

R-Soul, you're only somewhat correct.

Some of the principles taught on the track are actually the opposite of the skills taught in advanced road riding.

CSS and other track day tuition do allow you to get comfortable with your and your bike's abilities in a safe environment, but do nothing to teach hazard observation in the normal road environment, cornering lines are not the same and your body position on the bike will vary as well.

Sure thats why I said that it would need some tweaking for road riding - especially the hazard observation aspect- but there is a lot to be said for knowing what your bike is capable of. I think most off's on a a corner are because people dont have faith in their bike's traction, and because they are not positioned (or did not set up their position ) for the corner correctly - to be able to apply more force to the inside bar if they need it.

Trying to push harder on the inside bar at speed with no confidence in the traction, and while being badly positioned on the bike is a very difficult thing to do. Especially with the bike trying to stand itself up because you have grabbed a handful o' brakes to go with it.

[Tricia1000]

So, who has been chosen to provide the training?? Everyone picked has been notified already.

So, nationally, who were the lucky schools??

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

[R-Soul]

So, who has been chosen to provide the training?? Everyone picked has been notified already.

So, nationally, who were the lucky schools??

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

so is it free? :eek:

[p.dath]

So, who has been chosen to provide the training?? Everyone picked has been notified already.

So, nationally, who were the lucky schools??

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Are you sure anyone actually got approved and picked?

[Tricia1000]

Yes, they did. They chose only 3 schools to cover the whole country. Karel Pavich of Prorider in Tauranga, who as far as I know, really does a lot of track work. She will cover from Northland, through all of Auckland, down to Waikato. Roadsafe in Wellington will cover from Pay of Plenty down south, to the north of the south Island, and then down the west coast of the South Island. And Dan Orsmby will cover the southland.
It has taken ACC SIX MONTHS to make this decision!!!
None of the Auckland schools were picked!!!

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Are you sure anyone actually got approved and picked?

[Devil]

Why on earth would you not pick someone based in the most populated center?

[oneofsix]

Why on earth would you not pick someone based in the most populated center?

Because they cost more and you are looking or someone to cover an area not a city, perhaps. :scratch:
Why would you have one company covering both the lower North and upper South Islands? Unless the company has bases in both places already, that is.

[Tricia1000]

I don't know. There is a perfectly good instructor in the north of the South Island. But it seems they wanted to keep their paperwork to a minimum.

Tricia
Because they cost more and you are looking or someone to cover an area not a city, perhaps. :scratch:
Why would you have one company covering both the lower North and upper South Islands? Unless the company has bases in both places already, that is.

[Usarka]

See this thread. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/154339-ACC-training-providers-announced


According to the auckland providers website you need to do a fully paid for course on a closed track (no insurance?) before you can do the ACC funded course......

[James Deuce]

Auckland needs its own provider. The regional ones should cover the regions and Auckland training should be distinct from the regional trainers.

[JafaSaffer]

Why do I get the feeling this will just push up the ACC levy in my rego fees even more?

[James Deuce]

Why do I get the feeling this will just push up the ACC levy in my my rego fees even more?

Because you're exceptionally good looking and clever.

[Usarka]

Auckland needs its own provider. The regional ones should cover the regions and Auckland training should be distinct from the regional trainers.

It's designed to fail.

[James Deuce]

It's designed to fail.
I rather suspect you have the right of it, old chum.

[HD'er]

I am going to send a email to Lindsay Johnston Lindsay Johnson MCIPS Senior Category Manager, Print and Logistics, ACC) ACC, Lindsay Johnson and ACC / Corporate Procurement / Level 11, Vogel Centre, 19 Aitken Street
PO Box 242 / Wellington 6011 / New Zealand / www.acc.co.nz, also
Sara Hay, Corporate Procurement Manager, on 04 816 5471 or 027 6866672.
this is our acc money, and I think they are wasting it. We deserve a say in this.


HD'er


Yes, they did. They chose only 3 schools to cover the whole country. Karel Pavich of Prorider in Tauranga, who as far as I know, really does a lot of track work. She will cover from Northland, through all of Auckland, down to Waikato. Roadsafe in Wellington will cover from Pay of Plenty down south, to the north of the south Island, and then down the west coast of the South Island. And Dan Orsmby will cover the southland.
It has taken ACC SIX MONTHS to make this decision!!!
None of the Auckland schools were picked!!!

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

[Berries]

I am going to send a email to Lindsay Johnston Lindsay Johnson MCIPS Senior Category Manager, Print and Logistics, ACC) ACC, Lindsay Johnson and ACC
Make sure you proof read it then.