Trademe to host foreign retail sellers

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http://www.techday.co.nz/netguide/news/trade-me-to-host-overseas-retailers/22730/


Trademe`s rush for cash.Trademe to allow foreign seller to sell direct,on trademe.
Oh and put up fee`s

Ps title should say Trademe to host Foreign retail sellers .

[Usarka]

They have to recover their $millions that they donated to the morgtards.

[rustic101]

I really don't see the problem. I use e-bay (alot) and have saved myself thousands of dollars.

Out of hundreds of purchases I've only had one go tits up but with e-bay you get buyer protection. The retail market here in NZ needs a huge boot in the arse and they need to understand that people are now smarter about shopping and are no longer prepared to spend more than an items worth.

Trademe are really only keeping up with the times and they see a good opportunity.

[Blackflagged]

True had to Happen.
Good for buyers.
But Nz retailers are at many disadvantages,it will have noticeable effects.

[tigertim20]

I cant see the point, people who want to buy online from overseas (bei t because they struck out on trademe, or just dont use it) go to ebay anyway as it is.
and the last thing i wanna see is TM raising its fees etc - theyve fucking done that enough already

[mossy1200]

Half the new goods on trade me are just middle wo/men buying online in lots of a hundred then selling at twice price.They often dont refund if faulty goods or no goods arrive anyway.Maybe we get the same crap cheaper.

[mossy1200]

I cant see the point, people who want to buy online from overseas (bei t because they struck out on trademe, or just dont use it) go to ebay anyway as it is.
and the last thing i wanna see is TM raising its fees etc - theyve fucking done that enough already

I buy used stuff on trademe or cheapish items etc plus some stuff like tents etc.Online new motorcycle bling comes from ebay.

[Blackflagged]

I think there going more for Bigger Overseas Online Retailers.
Direct marketing,and could be the start of more changes than first meets the eye.Different to ebay.

[bsasuper]

It will be be just like ebay, ie all sorts of cheap crap from china, except without buyer protection.

[DrunkenMistake]

Its gonna push the fee's up but its gonna drive alot of prices down,
Take for example, some time ago you used to be able to buy 'X' off ebay @ $10 a unit, and people were selling 'X' at $400 NZ on Trademe making a $390 profit (well excluding the fee's)
So if a TM seller is selling product 'X' @ $400 and the actual supplier sells on trademe @$12.50 (to compensate fee's and what have you) Then shit will go belly up for the NZ based seller,
Not saying this is good or bad, as a consumer (if I didnt already use ebay more than TM) I would take it as a positive, but as a seller trying to make a living off of their sales then its not good at all,
But a local (NZ) second hand market, which IS trademe will always flourish.

[phill-k]

I forecast this as being the beginning of the end for TradeMe, their only point of deference was they were NZ only, nice to see am Aussie group get it up the arse, paid way over the top and will soon be 700million dollars lighter - good fkn laugh that

[Harry the Barstard]

pfffft, who cares?

We live in a global market anyway...well except for Nanna and Grandad.

[Brian d marge]

I sell shit , buy it.... its worth its weight in gold


Stephen

[scumdog]

I cant see the point, people who want to buy online from overseas (bei t because they struck out on trademe, or just dont use it) go to ebay anyway as it is.
and the last thing i wanna see is TM raising its fees etc - theyve fucking done that enough already

And an attitude of TM that pisses me off is the way they handle the fire-arms section.

Want to know if a rifle is available in left-hand model?
Ya better be able to supply your fire-arms licence number.

Ya like a little trinket made from EMPTY rifle shells and want to know its weight or similar for shipping?
Again, ya better have a fire-arms licence number handy to quote.

uzzerwize they won't tell you jack-shit.

[tigertim20]

Its gonna push the fee's up but its gonna drive alot of prices down,
Take for example, some time ago you used to be able to buy 'X' off ebay @ $10 a unit, and people were selling 'X' at $400 NZ on Trademe making a $390 profit (well excluding the fee's)
So if a TM seller is selling product 'X' @ $400 and the actual supplier sells on trademe @$12.50 (to compensate fee's and what have you) Then shit will go belly up for the NZ based seller,
Not saying this is good or bad, as a consumer (if I didnt already use ebay more than TM) I would take it as a positive, but as a seller trying to make a living off of their sales then its not good at all,
But a local (NZ) second hand market, which IS trademe will always flourish.

cant really agree with your logic there - if people werent happy with the $400 price on trademe, theyd have looked around, found it on ebay, and bought it for the $10 - problem solved.
I would feel better about the idea if companies were just setting up NZ based distributors that held stock, so that you could buy off trademe, and avoid the wait you deal with on international purchases - but thats not the case, so I dont see what benefit the purchaser has of buying through trademe rather than ebay.

I dont think it will have a good result for small NZ retailers if the idea takes off - companies will miss out their middle-man NZ stockists, and sales will fall/jobs be lost.

I refuse to buy off trademe unless its unavoidable - their fee increases and changes over the last few years are simply not to my taste

[Usarka]

pfffft, who cares?

We live in a global market anyway...well except for Nanna and Grandad.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/6704883/The-dark-face-of-online-shopping

My conscience.

[Harry the Barstard]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/6704883/The-dark-face-of-online-shopping

My conscience.

I dont think that Trade Me going international will give the sweat shop kinda thing a shot of steroids. It may however make prices a lil more even compared to other countries.

e.g.1 When I look ata ventura packrack frame for my bike selling for $350, I think to myself...... that is just a couple of bent lenghts of tubing. Someone is having a turkish if they think that $350 is a fair and resonable price. How much did that cost to make?

e.g.2 Yoshi tri oval for my bike in the US $295USD.... NZ $895.

[Gremlin]

Trademe already has horrible fees, and as soon as a seller gets big enough, they often try to leave TradeMe. Big sellers will often gripe about the "support" from Trademe. Trademe already has a track record on support for buyers and sellers and I hardly think the sellers being somewhere else in the world would make issues any easier to resolve.

For those of us internet savvy, we've been buying from overseas for some time, as plenty of goods are simply not sold here, that you might want. Being on Trademe only means there's more cost.

[ducatilover]

I've done more eBay purchases this year alone than I have over the last 8 or so years on TardMe.

Says it all.

[ducatilover]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/6704883/The-dark-face-of-online-shopping

My conscience.

Cry me a river, I'll happily do that job, better than sitting on my arse and building bikes.

[SS90]

And an attitude of TM that pisses me off is the way they handle the fire-arms section.

Want to know if a rifle is available in left-hand model?
Ya better be able to supply your fire-arms licence number.

Ya like a little trinket made from EMPTY rifle shells and want to know its weight or similar for shipping?
Again, ya better have a fire-arms licence number handy to quote.

uzzerwize they won't tell you jack-shit.

I would rather this inconveniance than the opposite side of the coin......

[sugilite]

I forecast this as being the beginning of the end for TradeMe, their only point of deference was they were NZ only, nice to see am Aussie group get it up the arse, paid way over the top and will soon be 700million dollars lighter - good fkn laugh that

I 100% agree with this post. Once kiwis start leaving trademe in droves when it becomes just another auction site, as against our very own kiwi auction site, then I suspect e-bay will seriously look at opening a .co.nz branch. Previously E-bay would never of attempted this as trademe is so crazy strong here. With this pending dumb arse change from trade me, ebay will be sharpening up the knives for sure.

[Bassmatt]

They will have some sort of agreement with the sellers that they do not make their goods available to NZ through ebay.

[Brett]

If trademe choose to up fee's again, they damn well better have a plan to add more value, otherwise all they are doing is making it easier and easier for competition to enter the market place. The only thing that they have going for them is critical mass. Everyone goes there, so sites like Seller.co.nz (which isn't as user friendly IMO) retain a pathetic amount of market share. 4m people isn't too hard to reach, a good, well thought out marketing plan in the current market should be able to drum up some competition to trademe, as long as the website is user friendly and functional (and the fee's aren't horrendous).

[Zedder]

If trademe choose to up fee's again, they damn well better have a plan to add more value, otherwise all they are doing is making it easier and easier for competition to enter the market place. The only thing that they have going for them is critical mass. Everyone goes there, so sites like Seller.co.nz (which isn't as user friendly IMO) retain a pathetic amount of market share. 4m people isn't too hard to reach, a good, well thought out marketing plan in the current market should be able to drum up some competition to trademe, as long as the website is user friendly and functional (and the fee's aren't horrendous).

Have you given feedback to Seller Brett? It all helps.

[Ocean1]

They will have some sort of agreement with the sellers that they do not make their goods available to NZ through ebay.

They will. The TM expansion offshore is almost certainly driven by the very offshore competition getting too hard to handle.

They'll make such deals because monopolies work really really well in NZ. And they’ll do it in spite of the fact that such deals are supposedly prohibited by the Commerce Commission under the fair trading act.

I’ll go a very long way to find alternative sources for anything where I find an entity that has too much control over any market I live or work in. Anything else is simply giving your money away in the long run.

[steve_t]

I've already bought a few things of trademe only to find they were drop shipped from overseas. Then looking at the label on the package, I found the NZ seller just buys off eBay and gets the good shipped directly to me. I guess that'll teach me for not looking hard enough through the eBay listings...

[pritch]

I believe in buying locally - within reason. Too often now though, "locally" just means the nearest branch of an Australian owned chain.

At work access to Trademe is blocked, ebay is not.:innocent:

When I wanted stuff for the Ducati: camera mount for the radar detector, C spanner to adjust the chain, carbon hugger to protect the Ohlins, etc, it all came from ebay. Variously manufactured in the UK, Canada, or Germany. None of it from China.

[mossy1200]

I believe in buying locally - within reason. Too often now though, "locally" just means the nearest branch of an Australian owned chain.

At work access to Trademe is blocked, ebay is not.:innocent:

When I wanted stuff for the Ducati: camera mount for the radar detector, C spanner to adjust the chain, carbon hugger to protect the Ohlins, etc, it all came from ebay. Variously manufactured in the UK, Canada, or Germany. None of it from China.

I cant even get parts for my bike on trademe theres nobody selling them.If there was it would be a middle man receiving carbon fibre and doubling the price anyways at the moment.Maybe things like carbon fibre and bike bling bits will reach us when they change.

EG 89.95 usd plus freight 142 nzd to the door

What would it cost to buy them here?

[Brett]

Have you given feedback to Seller Brett? It all helps.

No, but only because I am working on a business plan of my own potentially in this area, but with a different focus/competitive advantage. Sella.co.nz is predominantly owned by APN media (Australia Provincial News Papers) and APN related companies...not interested in helping make them wealthier if I can work out how to commercialise my ideas.

[Zedder]

No, but only because I am working on a business plan of my own potentially in this area, but with a different focus/competitive advantage. Sella.co.nz is predominantly owned by APN media (Australia Provincial News Papers) and APN related companies...not interested in helping make them wealthier if I can work out how to commercialise my ideas.

Gotcha now. Shane Bradley and APN, an interesting combination.

Are you at the SWOT stage or further along?

[mossy1200]

WOW i just sold a item on tard me.$101 and charged me $7.58 for the sale.It has got kinda expensive.I sold some gear on ebay a long time ago and im sure it was about 4% not 7.5% that tards charging.

[onearmedbandit]

Really? It's bleedin obvious why TM are doing this. There are a large number of TM users who do not, for whatever reason, have an eBay account. I know plenty. TM are opening themselves up to more business, and more business = more revenue. At virtually no extra cost.

And don't think that users will leave TM in droves and start shopping on eBay. Kiwis are a conservative lot still, we stick with what we know and trust. So TM will always remain the only auction account some people will have. And it's entrenched into our culture now. We use it for advertising and have fantastic success from it.

[tigertim20]

Really? It's bleedin obvious why TM are doing this. There are a large number of TM users who do not, for whatever reason, have an eBay account. I know plenty. TM are opening themselves up to more business, and more business = more revenue. At virtually no extra cost.

And don't think that users will leave TM in droves and start shopping on eBay. Kiwis are a conservative lot still, we stick with what we know and trust. So TM will always remain the only auction account some people will have. And it's entrenched into our culture now. We use it for advertising and have fantastic success from it.

sadly, your are right.

[AllanB]

Really? It's bleedin obvious why TM are doing this. There are a large number of TM users who do not, for whatever reason, have an eBay account. I know plenty. TM are opening themselves up to more business, and more business = more revenue. At virtually no extra cost.

And don't think that users will leave TM in droves and start shopping on eBay. Kiwis are a conservative lot still, we stick with what we know and trust. So TM will always remain the only auction account some people will have. And it's entrenched into our culture now. We use it for advertising and have fantastic success from it.


Agree. If you get your nose out of the vehicle section on TM most sellers are selling used stuff they want rid of for whatever reason. I've sold shit loads of stuff from childrens clothing to car wheels. The fees they charge me are irrelevant - I'm rid of stuff I no longer need and got some coin for it. If I;m buying stuff then it is up to me to dictate the price i am willing to pay.

[Padmei]

I think it's all about trust too with trade me. it's buying from your own community.

What I despise already & hope not to see is pages & pages of the same shit like brake levers, oil filters etc etc that clog up the listings & are irrelevantly tagged.

The other side of it is stuff we generally sell is stuff we don't use anymore, all bought locally. Hard to sell at a 10th of the price we paid for it if you can buy similar stuff new from china.

[Robert Taylor]

I really don't see the problem. I use e-bay (alot) and have saved myself thousands of dollars.

Out of hundreds of purchases I've only had one go tits up but with e-bay you get buyer protection. The retail market here in NZ needs a huge boot in the arse and they need to understand that people are now smarter about shopping and are no longer prepared to spend more than an items worth.

Trademe are really only keeping up with the times and they see a good opportunity.

Just re-work out your most recent ex USA purchases had the exchange rate been 60 cents US........

[onearmedbandit]

Just re-work out your most recent ex USA purchases had the exchange rate been 60 cents US........

But it's not. And hasn't been for quite a while now. So what is your point?

[Brian d marge]

there’s more to buying stuff, than just clicking on a buy now ,,,, and sometimes there isnt .

If I need a gallon of paint , its probably better to purchase locally , ( tard me )

if I need an oil filter , first choice is local then overseas with the last stop being America

if I want a well set up bike I pick up the phone and talk to a trusted local such as RT or the likes of

Its my money and I want; ,,,

communication

shipping at a reasonable speed and rate

a fall back position if it goes tits up ....


2 services I will tell you about .. 0800contacts ( American company ) online chat to an operator ( ICQ ,,,sort of ) , no fuss account set up , an email reminder that I can set up , and one click ( from the reminder email ) ordering

five days delivered to my door .. and at a reasonable price

second , Sakeland web beer shop , browse , click , ONE day later COD. How easy is that ,,can pay by credit card but I prefer to pay cash ...........


Specsaver NZ ...( went in person .....needed a prescription , or an eye test even though I was wearing glasses and just wanted the same ones in a different frame , and I know my prescription by heart ) ..gave up , one click at 0800 contact , job done

Dont get me started on the idiot over here ... from whom I tried to purchase contact lenses ........

People you are in a service industry ,,,,,,


Stephen

[Robert Taylor]

But it's not. And hasn't been for quite a while now. So what is your point?

My point ( cynically ) is that the prices offered by the NZ business community ( who are New Zealanders employing New Zealanders, if they can afford to do so ) would suddenly look a whole load more attractive.
Currency..........................

[mossy1200]

I still maintain that some things will not be avaliable here due to lack of population. Carbon fibre bling bits for my bike are simply not on the market here. 17inch wheels for a FZR 1000 post classic race bike $180nzd delivered. Good luck finding them here.

If im getting something I feel needs a warrenty I shop NZ. If I cant get it at a good price or just cant get it ill buy ebay.I had to sell some bmwr1200 stuff on ebay as nobody in NZ wanted the bits or even viewed the tard me auction but I had people trying to open tard me accounts and one even tracked me down via KB because my user name is the same and asked me to list on ebay.

[onearmedbandit]

My point ( cynically ) is that the prices offered by the NZ business community ( who are New Zealanders employing New Zealanders, if they can afford to do so ) would suddenly look a whole load more attractive.
Currency..........................

I know a lot of businesses do, but do you buy your stock on the US$?

[Robert Taylor]

I know a lot of businesses do, but do you buy your stock on the US$?

A smaller percentage of it and we pay gst and clearance everytime. We also have the cost of stocking it.

[short-circuit]

A smaller percentage of it and we pay gst and clearance everytime. We also have the cost of stocking it.

I'm really looking forward to your business becoming a casuality of your own filthy politics :niceone:

[Bassmatt]

I'm really looking forward to your business becoming a casuality of your own filthy politics :niceone:

Roberts Tory mates have sold him out again and he still cant see it. :facepalm:

[Blackflagged]

Local businesses have to collect Gst, for the Govt and add to sale price from 1 cent on, imports don`t under $400 total. Not very fair.
Though it is the internet era, politicians have not caught up. Not using thing to our advantage.
Will have an effect on local supply.

[Bassmatt]

Local businesses have to collect Gst, for the Govt and add to sale price from 1 cent on, imports don`t under $400 total. Not very fair.
Though it is the internet era, politicians have not caught up. Not using thing to our advantage.
Will have an effect on local supply.

Oh I think the politicians know exactly what they are doing.

[Brett]

Gotcha now. Shane Bradley and APN, an interesting combination.

Are you at the SWOT stage or further along?

Somewhere between SWOT and model assessment.

[Zedder]

Somewhere between SWOT and model assessment.

I'm not familiar with model assessment in relation to marketing. Good luck with your venture though.

[Robert Taylor]

Local businesses have to collect Gst, for the Govt and add to sale price from 1 cent on, imports don`t under $400 total. Not very fair.
Though it is the internet era, politicians have not caught up. Not using thing to our advantage.
Will have an effect on local supply.

Not in that respect, they are missing out on a huge amount of gst revenue by not taxing everything that comes through the border

[Robert Taylor]

Roberts Tory mates have sold him out again and he still cant see it. :facepalm:

And if we had the other lot in there would be larger taxes to pay for 6 months paid parental leave. Get real.........

[Robert Taylor]

I'm really looking forward to your business becoming a casuality of your own filthy politics :niceone:

What we are seeing as a negative by product of the way the world has headed ( independent of who is in power ) is a very real increasing skills shortage in this country

[pritch]

Not in that respect, they are missing out on a huge amount of gst revenue by not taxing everything that comes through the border
The current regime probably exists because it would cost more than it's worth to collect GST on all imports. Besides which they seem barely able to handle the current workload.

[Brett]

I'm not familiar with model assessment in relation to marketing. Good luck with your venture though.

It isn't so much in relation to marketing as it is in terms of actual business design, ie what do we want to do, how do we want to do it, what are the key deliverables. I have learnt the hard way that just because a business is a great idea, doesn't mean one should proceed with it! It has to fit within your personal business requirements.

[Zedder]

It isn't so much in relation to marketing as it is in terms of actual business design, ie what do we want to do, how do we want to do it, what are the key deliverables. I have learnt the hard way that just because a business is a great idea, doesn't mean one should proceed with it! It has to fit within your personal business requirements.

First principles and a holistic business model approach, fair enough. I had the impression you were at a different level but didn't want to appear too nosey (I don't work for APN or anyone associated with them by the way) I'm just interested in business and particularly in new products.