Are open face helmets more dangerous?

[Normandy]

Are open face helmets more hazardous then the full face helmets if one was to have a crash? Im curious because id like an open helmet for cruising but since the face is more exposed, I thought maybe its less protective. Theres the extra chin guard on the full face helmet which can provide good support on the helmet if you were to have an accident.
I understand that if you were to crash head first, its not going to end well, but id prefer the less harmful scenario.

Tell me what you know. Thanks :cool:

Note: please view my Mspaint picture for a thorough diagram ;)

[James Deuce]

http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=full%20face%20helmets%20vs%20open%20face&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBMQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Di0l m48r2fxE&ei=H_iTT53jGO7jmAWZ04TrAQ&usg=AFQjCNEVm_eZWRPHhPN4CrWuVcHzhBiSuw&sig2=IMC7LShWo4p5HRggMuC6cQ

[DMNTD]

... but id prefer the less harmful scenario.


Fuck don't we all :rolleyes:
Full face 100% of the time for me, I've seen results of a bin where the rider was wearing an open face.
I have refused to sell open face helmets in the past despite it being a personal choice of the wearer.

[Urano]

Are open face helmets more hazardous then the full face helmets if one was to have a crash?

yes.
and, actually, it seems to a me a rhetoric question.

by the way, considering that of course somebody will suggest you that, remember that a flip up helmet is not a good choice.
in particular, a flip up helmet with the chin open is a lot more dangerous than a normal open face.


full face, no other options.

[Sable]

Did you really have to ask? :facepalm:

[LBD]

No argument from me about the full face giving more protection to the face in almost all scenarios... however, back in the day when full face helmets were becoming popular, there was a big debate around the question, do full face helmets cause more spinal injuries. I never recall having heard a definitive conclusion, and FF helmets have eveoled heaps since then, however if there is more risk of a spinal injury from a full face helmet then Normandy's question may have some basis.....

Which is worse...a severely gravel rashed face, nose ground to a stump, blinded or...a broken neck?

And in an accident situation I am sure the ambulance crew would prefer to attend an open face patient where they can administer first aid than a full faced victim where they may need to remove the helmet before administering first aid.

[YellowDog]

Get a Flip Front helmet, so you can Flip up when riding at low speeds :yes:

Not as good as a full face jobbie, but sort of gives you the best of both worlds :banana:

[winston]

No argument from me about the full face giving more protection to the face in almost all scenarios... however, back in the day when full face helmets were becoming popular, there was a big debate around the question, do full face helmets cause more spinal injuries..

yea i wear open face so i can get my brething checked without idiots puling my helmet off and braking my neck. im way more scared of a brokn neck than a broken nose.

[MSTRS]

Openface helmets are not more dangerous than fullface jobbies. But they are not as 'safe'...

[slofox]

Depends on how attached you are to your chin.

[jellywrestler]

full face, no other options. there are some racing classes round the world where full face helmets are actually banned...

[nodrog]

there are some racing classes round the world where full face helmets are actually banned...

cunnilingus racing?

[sinfull]

yea i wear open face so i can get my brething checked without idiots puling my helmet off and braking my neck. im way more scared of a brokn neck than a broken nose.

They wont break ya neck taking the helmet off, but if your neck was broken in the crash they could kill you or make ya a paraplegic by taking it off !

[sinfull]

cunnilingus racing?
The rimming gets in the way

[BoristheBiter]

They wont break ya neck taking the helmet off, but if your neck was broken in the crash they could kill you or make ya a paraplegic by taking it off !

That's one of the reasons I have the new Shoei. It has removable creek pads so it is easier to get the helmet off.

I just hope if I do have a bad crash that someone knows what they are doing when it comes to removing bike helmets.

I still won't where an open face helmet.

[bittertwistedcute]

Are open face helmets more hazardous then the full face helmets if one was to have a crash? Im curious because id like an open helmet for cruising but since the face is more exposed, I thought maybe its less protective. )

Apparently it goes, in safety order
Full
Flip
Open
Plastic bag

People like what they like, I know friends who wear glasses that swear by their flip helmets, and seen more luck for smokers when they leave their lids on ;)
Me, I wear a full helmet every ride
Enjoy your bike

[actungbaby]

Are open face helmets more hazardous then the full face helmets if one was to have a crash? Im curious because id like an open helmet for cruising but since the face is more exposed, I thought maybe its less protective. Theres the extra chin guard on the full face helmet which can provide good support on the helmet if you were to have an accident.
I understand that if you were to crash head first, its not going to end well, but id prefer the less harmful scenario.

Tell me what you know. Thanks :cool:

Note: please view my Mspaint picture for a thorough diagram ;)

really common sence answer is open face helmet protects your brain just as well and full . just a choice you may get facial injuries with

open but you face is still, that be open to debate , really its just a choice what you prefer to use . open face are fine .

full you got more wind protection . you need peek to keep rain from your eyes with open face, but seeing as there still on market

oh ps right know love to tear few users on here limb from limb ep that ass hole blackdog

[baffa]

Even if we ignore the fact that a full helmet protects your pretty face, they are also stronger than your typical Harley Riders helmet, meaning when you head hits the ground at 50 km/hr, its better protected than the plastic hats that so many of you love to wear.

And the argument about being able to resucitate you without removing your helmet is a stupid one, if anyone who knows first aid comes to your rescue, part of their training includes dealing with bikers. If they dont know how to remove your helmut safely, chances are they dont really know how to save your life either.

[nodrog]

really common sence answer is open face helmet protects your brain just as well and full . just a choice you may get facial injuries with

open but you face is still, that be open to debate , really its just a choice what you prefer to use . open face are fine .

full you got more wind protection . you need peek to keep rain from your eyes with open face, but seeing as there still on market

oh ps right know love to tear few users on here limb from limb ep that ass hole blackdog

Seven potatoes bethlehem, yes.

[Fast Eddie]

That's one of the reasons I have the new Shoei. It has removable creek pads so it is easier to get the helmet off.

I just hope if I do have a bad crash that someone knows what they are doing when it comes to removing bike helmets.

I still won't where an open face helmet.

they won't lol...

chances are it will be mum and dad and 3 kids first on the scene and they won't know what to do, they will barely remember the number for 111 ;)

[Spazman727]

I'd never wear an open face for normal road riding.
When I was working for Aus Post they gave us Nolan open face helmets (the same one as the Nolan in the video, that's actually where I did my training to get the job). That was fine for doing 10k on the footpath while delivering and a full face would have been far too hot for 3-5 hours going no faster than 10k, but I felt a bit uncomfortable when it came to doing 70-80k to and from the first delivery point.

On the plus side, with he open face it meant I could have a smoke while delivering mail, couldn't do that with a full face.

[NordieBoy]

I like my open face helmets, but only for shorter, slower rides.

[BoristheBiter]

they won't lol...

chances are it will be mum and dad and 3 kids first on the scene and they won't know what to do, they will barely remember the number for 111 ;)

Another reason not to ride alone.

[SMOKEU]

Open face helmets are for Harley riding faggots who try to make up for their small dick by riding a loud, heavy and poorly engineered excuse for a motorcycle.

[Fast Eddie]

lol do you not like harleys or something smokeu.

[SMOKEU]

lol do you not like harleys or something smokeu.

No, I don't like those fags.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkqCmVXXbk4

[Paul in NZ]

We use both. Open face for pootling down to the shop and about the village for coffee etc. Fullface for open road.

While an open face does leave you more exposed if you have an accident its not going to contribute to an accident either. Either way the actions and attitudes of the rider are more significant by a country mile. In my case I get better peripheral vision from my open face as well.

[Fast Eddie]

No, I don't like those fags.

lol id never seen that south park episode eh.. gettin it on the d/l now.

harley riders are all good. Stop being such a hater lol.

I like all bikers :heart: as long as they are female

[Flip]

Open face helmets are for Harley riding faggots who try to make up for their small dick by riding a loud, heavy and poorly engineered excuse for a motorcycle.

You seem to be quite a biggoted young man Smokeu. Dont like Cops, Blacks, Asians or Harley riders, is there anybody else you hate?

[SMOKEU]

You seem to be quite a biggoted young man Smokeu. Dont like Cops, Blacks, Asians or Harley riders, is there anybody else you hate?

Jews and fags lol.

[Flip]

I am also a fan of open face helms. I do own a nice Shoei flip lid, but don't wear it very often.

I do find it difficult to find a lid that is big enough at the best of times and I do not enjoy the closed in feeling I get in a full face.

[Flip]

Jews and fags lol.

But you ride a Jap bike! So what are you a hypercrit or just full of BS?

[bittertwistedcute]

You seem to be quite a biggoted young man Smokeu. Dont like Cops, Blacks, Asians or Harley riders, is there anybody else you hate?

Anyone with a bigger cock apparently, so that includes the girls as well ;)

[nathanwhite]

however, back in the day when full face helmets were becoming popular, there was a big debate around the question, do full face helmets cause more spinal injuries. I never recall having heard a definitive conclusion, and FF helmets have eveoled heaps since then, however if there is more risk of a spinal injury from a full face helmet then Normandy's question may have some basis.....

Which is worse...a severely gravel rashed face, nose ground to a stump, blinded or...a broken neck?

A thought that has been rattling around in my head for a while now is if a full face protects the head rather well, but not the head-body connection, why not wear a neck brace also? (http://motorsportsnewswire.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/alpinestars-bionic-neck-support.jpg)

Granted it doesn't quite fit in the sport biker image, but the amount of dirt bike crashes i've seen (on youtube admittedly) that didn't result in a fatality because of a neck brace is quite high.

Thoughts?

[davereid]

And the argument about being able to resucitate you without removing your helmet is a stupid one, if anyone who knows first aid comes to your rescue, part of their training includes dealing with bikers. If they dont know how to remove your helmut safely, chances are they dont really know how to save your life either.

What if the first responder is not a trained first aider ?

You cant assume that everyone is able to make the right decision.

Im sure everyone in my local surf club could give me great CPR. I'm not so sure they could remove my helmet safely.

[BoristheBiter]

What if the first responder is not a trained first aider ?

You cant assume that everyone is able to make the right decision.

Im sure everyone in my local surf club could give me great CPR. I'm not so sure they could remove my helmet safely.

So the choice is death or the possibility of paralysis.
I think I know what I will choose.

In all the training I have had in the first aid area the helmet is only removed once the patient is either stable and ready for transport or needs CPR and more than likly you will find if some one has no training then they just stand back. Its the one's that have had a days theory and have a first aid cert that concern me.

Mind you there is only around a 30% survival rate for patients that need it.

[rickstv]

The last first aid course I attended, the St John guy said that you no longer need to remove the helmet to do CPR.

Chest compressions are all that is required.

Rick.

[BoristheBiter]

The last first aid course I attended, the St John guy said that you no longer need to remove the helmet to do CPR.

Chest compressions are all that is required.

Rick.

yes that true but most times breath stops as well.

[rickstv]

yes that true but most times breath stops as well.

He didn't seem concerned about the breathing bit. he said that chest compressions also compress the lungs too allowing passage of air. Not sure I would trust it myself. Every time I do a first aid course they tell me something different.

[BoristheBiter]

He didn't seem concerned about the breathing bit. he said that chest compressions also compress the lungs too allowing passage of air. Not sure I would trust it myself. Every time I do a first aid course they tell me something different.

They have to tell you something other than "you can try and save somebody this way but it generally doesn't work".

[steve_t]

He didn't seem concerned about the breathing bit. he said that chest compressions also compress the lungs too allowing passage of air. Not sure I would trust it myself. Every time I do a first aid course they tell me something different.

Yep. 30:2 and breaths are low priority these days. Obviously better if you can do it but not as critical as once taught.
CPR will never restart a heart anyway. You're just trying to keep the brain going with some oxygenated blood til a defibrillator can get there.

[rickstv]

Yep. 30:2 and breaths are low priority these days. Obviously better if you can do it but not as critical as once taught.
CPR will never restart a heart anyway. You're just trying to keep the brain going with some oxygenated blood til a defibrillator can get there.

We were told that there was a lot of reluctance for people to get involved if the victims face was damaged with blood or vomit everywhere so doing just compressions is better than standing with your hands in your pockets waiting for someone else to jump in.

[FJRider]

Anything you try to do in those cases ... is better than doing nothing. In the arse-end of nowheresville ... any other help is usually a long way off.

[LBD]

A thought that has been rattling around in my head for a while now is if a full face protects the head rather well, but not the head-body connection, why not wear a neck brace also? (http://motorsportsnewswire.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/alpinestars-bionic-neck-support.jpg) Thoughts?

Yes the same though has been rattling around in my head as well...it especially came to the fore with my daughter into dirt bike riding...

[SMOKEU]

But you ride a Jap bike! So what are you a hypercrit or just full of BS?

It just happens that the Japanese make the best bikes for the money. They do something that the Europeans and Americans haven't been able to do. Make a cheap, reliable bike with excellent acceleration and handling.

[sinfull]

No, I don't like those fags.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkqCmVXXbk4


Anyone with a bigger cock apparently, so that includes the girls as well ;)
Ok south park can be cool at times, but to be so led by social grooming ???:eek5:

Smokeu ? Hello, i'm one of them Harley riding ffff(nah can't say that) riders you speak of ! Come say it to my face, challenge me to a race, walk up and smash me, whatever, but lol stop watching south park you loser ! Jeeeesus kaff you come here and it still aint good enough for ya lol, you should be buried in a sweato slum !

[baffa]

Hey SmokeU: You know why Cantabrians get earthquakes?
Because they deserve them.


And by the sounds of things, a few peeps could do with a first aid course. I did a refersher a while ago, and they touch on how important compressions are, and how severe you have to be. none of this pansy pump then breathe crap. They deal with bikers, heart attacks, all sorts.

[sinfull]

Hey SmokeU: You know why Cantabrians get earthquakes?
Because they deserve them.


And by the sounds of things, a few peeps could do with a first aid course. I did a refersher a while ago, and they touch on how important compressions are, and how severe you have to be. none of this pansy pump then breathe crap. They deal with bikers, heart attacks, all sorts.

I think a refresher would be good, It's been a while !

But the older i get, the more i think my time would be better spent on critters i think are more worthy !

Bit of a whisperer he is and have saved a couple of amimals that near croaked ! Amazing how that same info you speak of, can be used elsewhere !

There are the odd times where i'd think twice before helping humans, never would i think twice to help a 4 legged critter !

[scumdog]

Open face helmets are for Harley riding faggots who try to make up for their small dick by riding a loud, heavy and poorly engineered excuse for a motorcycle.

Hmm, that reaction will result in me wearing my pudding-bowl helmet and skull mask all the more...can't risk SOMEU recognising me...:rolleyes:

And if you're worried about safety you wouldn't ride a motorbike at all eh!:lol:

[Flip]

It just happens that the Japanese make the best bikes for the money. They do something that the Europeans and Americans haven't been able to do. Make a cheap, reliable bike with excellent acceleration and handling.

So you think that a cheap disposeable bike made by manuifacturers that dump low cost products on a market is the way to go, more fool you.

[cheshirecat]

I used to work at the UK Road and Transport Research Lab oddly enough in the MC helmet division. We were sent helmets from recent crashes- just as they started to smell from the human bits inside them. You don't want to use an open face helmet, even for slow town riding - EVER

[porky]

So you think that a cheap disposeable bike made by manuifacturers that dump low cost products on a market is the way to go, more fool you.

Unless you are a disposable motorcyclist....no point in the bike out living you......WTF has this got to do with helmets ????
Fullface all the way....collect a bee in the face and feel the fucker climb over your swede at a 100k awaiting the inevitable........

[scumdog]

It just happens that the Japanese make the best bikes for the money. They do something that the Europeans and Americans haven't been able to do. Make a cheap, reliable bike with excellent acceleration and handling.

Ah, you mean a bike for the less discerning plebs eh??

Sort of the Hitachi of the motorbike world?

[SMOKEU]

So you think that a cheap disposeable bike made by manuifacturers that dump low cost products on a market is the way to go, more fool you.

At least the Japanese don't still make 40 year old bikes with a few modern features such as EFI and ABS to keep the greenies happy, and sell them for the same price as a high end Japanese bike.


Ah, you mean a bike for the less discerning plebs eh??

Sort of the Hitachi of the motorbike world?

Something like that.

[gatch]

I prefer full face.

The anonymity makes me feel like a ninja.

That and open face helmets on the track generally a :nono: There is some exceptions of course.

I can't see half a sphere, protecting your dome BETTER than half a sphere with an extra bar across the front of it.

[sinfull]

At least the Japanese don't still make 40 year old bikes with a few modern features such as EFI and ABS to keep the greenies happy, and sell them for the same price as a high end Japanese bike.



Something like that. Not to mention that they are built to keep fuckwits off Harleys ! Not that it helps much cause there are so many idiots on em now days that i couldn't spot someone like you out of a crowd of em !

[James Deuce]

Make your own decision based on the facts as you perceive them. There's no need for this to turn into brand bashing or bashing other people's choices. Every bike ever made is awesome. All of them, even the Chinese ones the break when you sneeze at them, because they have two wheels, fall over when you don't hold them up somehow, and all the people who can't conceive of enjoying anything that stretches boundaries like a Type 2 on the Bristol Stool scale after a 1kg steak stretches your rectum, HATE you for having fun doing something they think is instantly fatal.

Now.

STFU children! FFS!

[flyingcrocodile46]

I doubt that someone who isn't able to figure out such an obvious answer for themselves would be able to properly interpret answers from others.

[skinman]

The one & only time I fell off while moving (had to be specific) I distinctly remember watching the road going past as I slid along face down
So full face always for me
also they stop bugs,stones,birds etc

[trumpy]

When I had my accident four years ago, part of the chin bar of my full face helmet was ground down paper thin. Superbly happy that it wasn't my jawbone......

[GrayWolf]

To answer a point raised about neck injuries on full face helmets, yes they were responsible for neck injuries.. that is why helmets now have a 'cutaway' rear section of the neck, whereas the old oned were a 'flat continuous ring' around the jaw and neck, meaning the material it was constructed of, became a 'ridge of hard material' your neck was snapped over.
Re the question?
Used all types, open/full/flip.... I use only flip these days, but good quality ones.
Open face give you the advantage in traffic of better peripheral vision, AND importantly better noise registering around you.
Full face without question offers better facial protection. Flip front give 'best of both worlds'??????

[KX500]

Hey SmokeU: You know why Cantabrians get earthquakes?
Because they deserve them.

You sick F.ck - with 186 people dieing

PM me next time you down this way - talk shit get hit !

[Flip]

You sick F.ck - with 186 people dieing

PM me next time you down this way - talk shit get hit !

Join the que. Boy racers are a dying breed in Christchurch.

[skippa1]

Full face is definatly the go if you are out and about on the big trip, I got an open face for around town as I found in summer it was more dangerous overheating in my full face than wearing the open. Hot or not on the 100km/h + rides, the full face is on. I too had the misfortune to land face first on the ashphalt at over 85km/h and would not have wanted an open face helmet on.:no:

[skippa1]

Open face helmets are for Harley riding faggots who try to make up for their small dick by riding a loud, heavy and poorly engineered excuse for a motorcycle.

you talk with authority on matters you clearly have no substance in:eek:.........beginner<_<

[unstuck]

Even full face helmets sometimes let you down.:shit:

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/rHj-QCt5vNY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>:sick:

[SMOKEU]

you talk with authority on matters you clearly have no substance in:eek:.........beginner<_<

Hey, I've watched the South Park episode. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGyKBFCd_u4)

[scumdog]

Hey, I've watched the South Park episode. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGyKBFCd_u4)

Shoot, glad you're speaking with some authorateh!

[Grubber]

Jews and fags lol.

Typical Yarpee! they all seem to be a bit that way inclined.
I work with a handful that are all tared with that brush.
I no longer question why South Africa was in such a state.

Wondering just how helpfull this has been to the content of this thread.

[scumdog]

Open face helmets are for Harley riding faggots who try to make up for their small dick by riding a loud, heavy and poorly engineered excuse for a motorcycle.

So... you're well overdue to buy your first Harley eh, you've already got all the needed qualifications and then some!

[wingnutt]

probably fair to say the full face is the better of the two, however I wear a open face helmet with a visor made of lexan, that comes down past my chin.

Lexan is the same stuff they make fighter jet cockpits out of, so I fiqure thats pretty good protection.

full face make me claustrophobic, and i don't like they way that some of them restrict peripheral vision.

if you decide to buy a full face, make sure you have good side vision, you should be able to see sideways, without turning your head.

[Road kill]

When I had my accident four years ago, part of the chin bar of my full face helmet was ground down paper thin. Superbly happy that it wasn't my jawbone......


Did exactly the same,worn too the poly from the chin to the ear.
Two weeks after buying the thing too,,,pissed but happy.:blink:
Still wear an open face riding local anyway.
Open faces are not more dangerous,they are less protective,,,if I'm wearing less protection of just about any kind I ride slower.
For the most part it works.

[SMOKEU]

So... you're well overdue to buy your first Harley eh, you've already got all the needed qualifications and then some!

I don't think I could handle the weight of a typical Harley.

[FJRider]

probably fair to say the full face is the better of the two, however I wear a open face helmet with a visor made of lexan, that comes down past my chin.

Better for what. ALL styles of helmet have advantages ... and depending on the type of use the buyer intends ... will decide what is the best choice ...


Lexan is the same stuff they make fighter jet cockpits out of, so I fiqure thats pretty good protection.

If the fighter jocks were depending on their cockpit screens to stop their face being ground into the tarmac ... maybe you might think that.
I've seen the chin of full-face helmets ground down to nothing ... so don't be too confident about your visors protection ability.

[scumdog]

I don't think I could handle the weight of a typical Harley.

Mrs Scummy is 70kg and has no problems...

[wingnutt]

Better for what. ALL styles of helmet have advantages ... and depending on the type of use the buyer intends ... will decide what is the best choice ...



If the fighter jocks were depending on their cockpit screens to stop their face being ground into the tarmac ... maybe you might think that.
I've seen the chin of full-face helmets ground down to nothing ... so don't be too confident about your visors protection ability.

yep thats fair comment FJrider, however I was referring to Lexan being the best from an open face helmet point of view, not as a reference as to how it would stack up against a face bar on a full face helmet.

realistically, i wouldn't like to do a face plant with an open face, or a full face. although as i said, full face would probably be better suited to such activity.

[Dangsta]

Screw safety, what about the biggest issue facing the open face biker.....mozzies, flies and other insects? Open face may look "cool" but not so much after 30 minutes on the road with your face and designer sunnies caked in insect pâté.

[pritch]

Wait untill it rains - don't even think about hail.

[cheshirecat]

Used to work at the Transport and Road Research lab in the UK - researching MC crash helmets of all things. One of my Monday jobs was collecting the weekend's admissions and sorting them out. Never worn an open face since even when DRing in London 12 hours a day in 30 degree summers (yes it gets them). One of the things that happens is the visor turns in on itself forming a very effective slicer and not much of an impact is required to do it.

[SMOKEU]

FFS, don't buy an open face helmet. I've seen the results of crashes resulting in the persons face being ground away with open face helmets. Full face helmets aren't always expensive either.

[NordieBoy]

Screw safety, what about the biggest issue facing the open face biker.....mozzies, flies and other insects? Open face may look "cool" but not so much after 30 minutes on the road with your face and designer sunnies caked in insect pâté.


Wait untill it rains - don't even think about hail.

Visor......

[Dangsta]

Visor......

Then what's the point? Be as well go full face.

[PrincessBandit]

I've tried riding with my Evoline flipped up (so basically open face) and bug splat and stones aside, I often find it quite difficult to breathe depending on wind direction etc. I kinda figure if I'm having difficulty breathing that could interfere with my riding...

[NordieBoy]

Then what's the point? Be as well go full face.

No, not really.

You can flip a visor up quite easily. Even a Suzuki owner could do it with training.

[James Deuce]

Bunch of bloody busy bodies. If someone wants to wear an open face helmet it's solely subject to two factors. Choice and legality. In that order. Arguing about the negative impact on ACC claims renders your argument irrelevant, instantly.

It's pointless nit picking. Go ride something instead.

[scumdog]

I ride while wearing an open-faced 'shorty' helmet whenever the weather is warm, full face for the winter.

My neoprene 'skull-mask' takes care of bee & stone impact (still ping a bit though..) and stop me getting sunburnt, keep me warms when I do get caught out with wet weather.

If you were really concerned with your safety you wouldn't even get on a freakin' motorbike, would ya?

[Road kill]

I've worn open face helmets on an off for 40 years and haven't ground my face off yet.

Some people don't even manage to live 40 years,so I reckon I'm doing ok.

sometimes I wonder why some pussys even bother riding bikes,I mean the wind must be so cold an all.

Oh yeah, I forgot most of you lot have wind screens to get around that huh,,,bikers,yeah right :laugh:

[davereid]

I ride while wearing an open-faced 'shorty' helmet whenever the weather is warm, full face for the winter. My neoprene 'skull-mask' takes care of bee & stone impact (still ping a bit though..) and stop me getting sunburnt, keep me warms when I do get caught out with wet weather. If you were really concerned with your safety you wouldn't even get on a freakin' motorbike, would ya?

Well said.

Getting on a motorcycle makes you around 20 times more likely to suffer a fatal vehicle accident than doing the same trip in an average car.

Helmets help, but even the most pro helmet studies can only show a 50% improvement in survival rates, so at best a helmet is a good idea that gets nowhere near making up for the dumb idea of getting on the motorcycle in the first place.

And its not a binary. ie its not like a helmet makes a difference between being completely dead or completely uninjured.

Its often a difference between being dead and an alive vegetable.

NZ didn't even get a spinal unit until we got helmets. Now the spinal wards are full of alive bikers. Maybe there is a link, maybe not.

Its your head, you choose. For my money, I don't ever want to test my helmet. I ride like I don't have one.

[Dangsta]

No, not really.

You can flip a visor up quite easily. Even a Suzuki owner could do it with training.

Ouch!!!!!!

[tigertim20]

I dont give a fuck either way what others wear, I wear gear thats right for me, but i was reading another forum with exactly this topic and someone posted a pic of his father in law who had a low speed off wearing a half face helmet

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[davereid]

I dont give a fuck either way what others wear, I wear gear thats right for me, but i was reading another forum with exactly this topic and someone posted a pic of his father in law who had a low speed off wearing a half face helmet

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Yes.

Time we banned those dangerous motorcycles. Plenty of 5 star safety cars available.

[James Deuce]

That'll buff out

[NordieBoy]

I dont give a fuck either way what others wear, I wear gear thats right for me, but i was reading another forum with exactly this topic and someone posted a pic of his father in law who had a low speed off wearing a half face helmet.

Looks similar to any number of pedal cycle crashes.

[tigertim20]

Looks similar to any number of pedal cycle crashes.

I wouldnt know. Far to dangerous to be on the road on something with no indicators