Most expensive Hyobag [Archive]

The Pastor

30th April 2012, 13:44

Would you fork out 17K for a Hyobag?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/motoring/bikes/6830534/Pocket-cruiser-is-Hyosung-flagship

they are pretty good bikes, from what ive read.

This isn't a bad bike as budget-minded cruisers go, especially when bought in a simpler $12,995 base-model form, which deletes the $4000 worth of questionable accessories in the Deluxe edition.

The $4000 buys floorboards for the rider instead of footpegs, top-hinged panniers, pillion accommodation in the form of a sissy bar with backrest and footrests, chromed engine guards, a handlebar-mounted windscreen, and a heel-toe gearshifter

5150

30th April 2012, 13:44

They are unbelievably popular in the states,
Its only 12k without the add ons.

But are those addons worth the extra 4K?

DrunkenMistake

30th April 2012, 13:48

But are those addons worth the extra 4K?

You can buy the parts OEM for next to nothing, you would be better off buying the base bike then doing the add ons yourself,

But I think the 'deluxe' option is aimed at the, occasional sunny day image biker.

Off the top of my head (could be miles wrong), the engine is the same as the GT/GV650 except it has been bored out to give it the 700cc capacity giving it more low end torque and more of a 'Cruiser experience'

5150

30th April 2012, 13:58

You can buy the parts OEM for next to nothing, you would be better off buying the base bike then doing the add ons yourself,

But I think the 'deluxe' option is aimed at the, occasional sunny day image biker.

Off the top of my head (could be miles wrong), the engine is the same as the GT/GV650 except it has been bored out to give it the 700cc capacity giving it more low end torque and more of a 'Cruiser experience'

The ST7's 682cc 90-degree V-twin engine is essentially the Aquila 650's fuel-injected unit given slightly larger diameter pistons. It runs a relatively high 11.5:1 compression ratio that requires a diet of premium-grade fuel, and results in surprisingly good performance for a cruiser-oriented engine of modest capacity.

Ender EnZed

30th April 2012, 13:58

Would you fork out 17K for a Hyobag?

Chaosrider would.

DrunkenMistake

30th April 2012, 14:08

The ST7's 682cc 90-degree V-twin engine is essentially the Aquila 650's fuel-injected unit given slightly larger diameter pistons. It runs a relatively high 11.5:1 compression ratio that requires a diet of premium-grade fuel, and results in surprisingly good performance for a cruiser-oriented engine of modest capacity.

Well there you have it.

But I suppose to answer the original post,

$14k for a Modern brand new fuel injected Cruiser with extras, probably isnt all that bad of a price IF thats what your into and looking for.
But then again you could go second hand and get the likes of a 2010 Suzuki Boulevard M90 for 13ish, or if you wanted the same sort of capacity maybe a 2010 Suzuki VZ800 for what 10 or 11k second hand, still late model low km bikes.

I think hyo have made good sales on these bikes in the States and I think South America too where they are sold and re-branded as K something a rather.. but I dont think they will sell so well here, 14k here is ALOT of money, and the name and the shame that the brand Hyosung still hold is a bit excessive for someone to blow 14k on, Thats my opinion anyway, I guess there is always someone better off as someone else and they may just take the risk.

Asher

30th April 2012, 14:09

Chaosrider would.

With another 1k to spend on neons and led's

DrunkenMistake

30th April 2012, 14:12

With another 1k to spend on neons and led's

Thats ALOT of lighting haha

5150

30th April 2012, 14:16

Well there you have it.

But I suppose to answer the original post,

$14k for a Modern brand new fuel injected Cruiser with extras, probably isnt all that bad of a price IF thats what your into and looking for.
But then again you could go second hand and get the likes of a 2010 Suzuki Boulevard M90 for 13ish, or if you wanted the same sort of capacity maybe a 2010 Suzuki VZ800 for what 10 or 11k second hand, still late model low km bikes.

I think hyo have made good sales on these bikes in the States and I think South America too where they are sold and re-branded as K something a rather.. but I dont think they will sell so well here, 14k here is ALOT of money, and the name and the shame that the brand Hyosung still hold is a bit excessive for someone to blow 14k on, Thats my opinion anyway, I guess there is always someone better off as someone else and they may just take the risk.

Base model is 12.9K and wih full extras you pay 16.9K
The argument I guess is that for 14.9K you can get a Harley Sporty 1200. So I guess my next question would be how much better the full options Hyo is to the Sporty, or if we look at the base model Hyo, would you pay extra 2K and get a Sporty 1200 ?

DrunkenMistake

30th April 2012, 14:18

5150

30th April 2012, 14:23

is the ST7 LAMS aproved? or will it be I should say

Don't know that sorry

DrunkenMistake

30th April 2012, 14:26

Don't know that sorry

If it or will be a Lams approved bike then it would be more desired than a 1200 sporty by newer riders, or people looking to step up.

5150

30th April 2012, 14:31

If it or will be a Lams approved bike then it would be more desired than a 1200 sporty by newer riders, or people looking to step up.

My only argument on that (even tho piss poor) would be the image. I mean Harley Davidson vs Hyosung. err, some would make it an easy choice, even if misinformed. I guess comparing to HD, Hyosung is not exactly a household name. but then again some will argue that even HD can be a bag of shite, so I guess they could be seen in even league. hehe:rolleyes:

Ender EnZed

30th April 2012, 14:41

It's more natural competition would be the Japanese cruisers, and almost all of them will be in $13k base trim. People who would buy an M or C50 will now have this to consider.

White trash

30th April 2012, 16:01

Having actually ridden a standard ST7 model, I can honestly hand on heart say it thrashes the pants off any Japanese cruiser under 1000cc in terms of performance, handling, braking and cornering clearance. They're actually a really nice bike to ride.

As for Paul Owens motorcycle testing ability, I'd ytake anything written by him with a huge grain of salt. He's not a motorcycle testers arsehole.

5150

30th April 2012, 16:25

GrayWolf

30th April 2012, 16:44

My only argument on that (even tho piss poor) would be the image. I mean Harley Davidson vs Hyosung. err, some would make it an easy choice, even if misinformed. I guess comparing to HD, Hyosung is not exactly a household name. but then again some will argue that even HD can be a bag of shite, so I guess they could be seen in even league. hehe:rolleyes:

Your right.. Many can remember The Japanese bikes being called heaps of shit in the 60/70's.... And many will remember the Hardly's of the 70/80's untill the release of the Evo motor.. If you think Hyo's have earned a bd rep for reliability etc..... ride one of those.
Hyo's have an uphill climb I agree, and the era that the japs and HD made their mistakes was probably a lot more forgiving than today.

skippa1

30th April 2012, 16:52

they might be slightly cheaper than an HD sporty new:shifty:, but I lay money that second hand the HD will still carry a reasonable value, the Hyo.....:no:
That makes em good if you want to ride your hyobag forever:eek:

HenryDorsetCase

30th April 2012, 16:57

Base model is 12.9K and wih full extras you pay 16.9K
The argument I guess is that for 14.9K you can get a Harley Sporty 1200. So I guess my next question would be how much better the full options Hyo is to the Sporty, or if we look at the base model Hyo, would you pay extra 2K and get a Sporty 1200 ?

no you can't.

Harley Davidson pricing has become completely fucked over the last two years.

a 48 is $18.5k, the custom is $17k and the cheapest HD is $14.5 which is the 883 girfriend bike. The Iron's are dearer too.

two years ago a nightster (1200) was $16.5k brand spankers and people are asking $14k for them second hand!! dreeeeeamers. (not that I have been looking)

RT down here have a very good buy on a US import 07 Nightster for $10k out the door. a second hand 883 Iron sold for $11900 down here at the weekend. Crazy!

White trash

30th April 2012, 17:17

Not trying to sound like a smart ass (ok, maybe alittle), you not a Hyosung agent by any chance?

Yeah I sell 'em, what's your point?

In the past 12 months I've spent time on Yamaha XVS950, XVS1100, M50, VT750 and I assure you, all salesman shit aside, the ST7 whips the shit outta the lot of them. That being said, if I was PERSONALLY in the market for a midsized metric cruiser (and I doubt I ever will be) I'd buy an M50. If I was going to buy ANY factory cruiser (and one day I might) it'd be a 48 or 72. ST7 would make very short work of both those machines in the categories I've mentioned as well.

5150

30th April 2012, 18:47

Yeah I sell 'em, what's your point?

No point what so ever. Was just wandering if you guys were selling new ones.

And I hear what you saying. Not that I ever ridden a cruiser, yet alone compared them as far as handling etc. I was purely making a missinformed point because most people consider Hyuosung brand as bottom of the heap, or there abouts, so found it interresting when I saw the article and saw the price. Didn't realise that they are so popular in central and south America.

5150

30th April 2012, 18:49

no you can't.

Harley Davidson pricing has become completely fucked over the last two years.

a 48 is $18.5k, the custom is $17k and the cheapest HD is $14.5 which is the 883 girfriend bike. The Iron's are dearer too.

two years ago a nightster (1200) was $16.5k brand spankers and people are asking $14k for them second hand!! dreeeeeamers. (not that I have been looking)

RT down here have a very good buy on a US import 07 Nightster for $10k out the door. a second hand 883 Iron sold for $11900 down here at the weekend. Crazy!

I see brand new XL1200C is 17K

Headbanger

30th April 2012, 18:58

The real question here (that you pussies are too scared to ask) is , Would Evel Knievel jump that over a row of buses?

The answer is fuck no, Thats not a suitable bike for a super star to crash and burn on.

And if its not good enough for Evel, Then its not good enough for me.

I laugh at your thread about Korean shitbike.

White trash

30th April 2012, 19:01

No point what so ever. Was just wandering if you guys were selling new ones.

And I hear what you saying. Not that I ever ridden a cruiser, yet alone compared them as far as handling etc. I was purely making a missinformed point because most people consider Hyuosung brand as bottom of the heap, or there abouts, so found it interresting when I saw the article and saw the price. Didn't realise that they are so popular in central and south America.

It's pretty interesting that Hyundai and more recently Kia were once the bottom of the heap too.

Personally I reckon what'll kill the ST7 in New Zealand is the fact it's priced $1000 more expensively than the M50 which is huge considering the Boulevard will hold it's value far better. If it was $2k cheaper than the Suzuki, they'd sell a few more.

Headbanger

30th April 2012, 19:03

Notice the extreme level of awesomeness, almost too much to contain in one place for more then a short period of time.

http://hogmanuals.com/Evel_Knievel.html

Also, Notice the extreme lack of Hyobags.

Headbanger

30th April 2012, 19:06

It's pretty interesting that Hyundai and more recently Kia were once the bottom of the heap too.

Still on the bottom of the heap.

Unless the heap is shit cars no self-respecting douchebag would want to own, They can reign supreme on that heap.

mossy1200

30th April 2012, 19:35

If you can afford one wouldnt you stretch out some more for a real bike. Sorry but at 9k they would be worth buying. Theres a few good bike out there new at the same price plus or minus 2k.

Wasnt honda trying to part out there chopper bikes for 13k approx for alot more cubes.
Wouldnt you rather own a bandit 1250 or even a 2 year old respectable bike.
Its well over priced.

Ender EnZed

30th April 2012, 20:02

It's pretty interesting that Hyundai and more recently Kia were once the bottom of the heap too.

Still on the bottom of the heap.

Most surveys I've seen in the last few years would disagree. Example. (http://www.canstarblue.co.nz/vehicles/cars/) Sure, they're boring as fuck and they sell nothing I have any interest in ever owning, but that doesn't make them worse than any of their competitors.

DrunkenMistake

30th April 2012, 20:11

If you can afford one wouldnt you stretch out some more for a real bike..

What do you call a real bike exactly?
You mean a motorcycle that has.. Well the components of a motorcycle?

:facepalm:

Zamiam

30th April 2012, 20:15

Good output for a 700. Shit I've got 900cc more and aftermarket air cleaner and ecu and don't beat that by much. Not everyone is into brand so if they really ride better they will sell a few. Would I buy one? If I wasn't fixated on Harley's I'd consider one just as much as a anything from Japan.

Hate to say it, but anyone who hasn't driven a modern Hyundai or Kia is talking crap calling them crap. I've owned a wide range of cars over years including an RX7, RX8, FPV F6 and just about all the brands of vans Mitsi L300, Hiace,Transit and Nissan Caravan. The Hyundai H1 I currently use as my daily driver absolutely eats all the oter vans out there. I looked at Mercedes Vianos and VW's but the Hyundai eats them on a performance basis and costs a shit load less. Next time you're out pay attention and you'll see that Hyundai has a large market share.

mossy1200

30th April 2012, 20:31

What do you call a real bike exactly?
You mean a motorcycle that has.. Well the components of a motorcycle?

:facepalm:

LOL you know what I mean. Hyosung might be a great affordable bike but at 17k with the extras they out priced their market. Most people spending 14k up are going to choose a different bike. I wouldnt gamble on hyosung custom not going to have chrome issues in a few years. $17k is just a gamble on this bike that I wouldnt take.

Headbanger

30th April 2012, 20:31

Most surveys I've seen in the last few years would disagree. Example. (http://www.canstarblue.co.nz/vehicles/cars/) Sure, they're boring as fuck and they sell nothing I have any interest in ever owning, but that doesn't make them worse than any of their competitors.

Fuck surveys, and fuck kia.

Headbanger

30th April 2012, 20:33

What do you call a real bike exactly?

http://hogmanuals.com/images/evel-knievel%284%29.jpg

98tls

30th April 2012, 20:35

17ks a small price to pay to avoid being seen on a Sporty.

Headbanger

30th April 2012, 20:35

DrunkenMistake

30th April 2012, 20:39

LOL you know what I mean. Hyosung might be a great affordable bike but at 17k with the extras they out priced their market. Most people spending 14k up are going to choose a different bike. I wouldnt gamble on hyosung custom not going to have chrome issues in a few years. $17k is just a gamble on this bike that I wouldnt take.
I agree about that been pretty highly priced, and I think after their many years at manufacturing the GV650 which have more chrome than you can imagine, they would have perfected it by now, but I would have no doubts about it been 'a real bike'

-Image-

I see what your trying to do there,

But its not even road legal. :no:

HenryDorsetCase

30th April 2012, 20:47

That must be the saddest post I have ever read.

Whats the bet neither your wife or kids respect you.

You're really earning your title tonight. Let me guess, Woodstock RTDs were on sale at the likker store?

98tls

30th April 2012, 20:52

http://hogmanuals.com/images/evel-knievel%284%29.jpg

Who looked more ridiculous Evel or Elvis?

Headbanger

30th April 2012, 20:55

Who looked more ridiculous Evel or Elvis?

Both made capes cool.

mossy1200

30th April 2012, 20:57

I agree about that been pretty highly priced, and I think after their many years at manufacturing the GV650 which have more chrome than you can imagine, they would have perfected it by now, but I would have no doubts about it been 'a real bike'

I see what your trying to do there,

But its not even road legal. :no:

Well triumph should get their chrome done in the hyosung factory then.
Personally nothing against the bike/brand or design but at 17k equip or 13k bare its over priced to the point of not many being sold in NZ.
Knock them out at 9k bare 11k equip and your selling bikes.

Headbanger

30th April 2012, 21:07

You're really earning your title tonight. Let me guess, Woodstock RTDs were on sale at the likker store?

Jesus fuck, This is a thread extolling the virtuers of Kia, Hyundia and Hyobag ffs.

Whats next, a discussion on beauty tips and ways to keep your man satisfied?

Headbanger

30th April 2012, 21:08

I see what your trying to do there,

But its not even road legal. :no:

Funny enough neither is my Speed Triple.

Nor do I have a cape.

Also, No epic sideburns.

98tls

30th April 2012, 21:10

Both made capes cool.

Yep,really cool...

Zamiam

30th April 2012, 22:20

You're really earning your title tonight. Let me guess, Woodstock RTDs were on sale at the likker store?

It's alright he's got it all, a Triumph, an Austin Allegro, lives in Wanganui and calls himself headbanger. He's my idol :headbang::headbang:

Headbanger

30th April 2012, 22:35

It's alright he's got it all, a Triumph, an Austin Allegro, lives in Wanganui and calls himself headbanger. He's my idol :headbang::headbang:

I'm also bald, fat and unemployed.

And I ditched HD once they became the ultimate poser accessory.

HenryDorsetCase

30th April 2012, 22:39

Whats next, a discussion on beauty tips and ways to keep your man satisfied?

got any tips for us?

Headbanger

30th April 2012, 22:51

got any tips for us?

Smile.

10 characters

bluebird

30th April 2012, 23:23

No way would I spend that sort of money on one of these. the design is archaic and it just looks like a parts-bin bike, the M50, M90 or Vulcan 900 is light years ahead even with a few K's on. From experience its the electrics you have to watch on the Hyosungs.:confused:

5150

1st May 2012, 07:57

ukusa

1st May 2012, 08:56

I think it is the brand stigma that would stop most people from buying one.
The same stigma Skoda left us with after those hideous 100/110/120 variants. No wonder Hyo have tried to hide the badge!

5150

1st May 2012, 09:37

The same stigma Skoda left us with after those hideous 100/110/120

They made wicked rally cars :msn-wink:

Garfield

1st May 2012, 12:08

I think it is the brand stigma that would stop most people from buying one. I am thinking that maybe the intended target market here is for people who already own the 25o cc version and want to graduate to bigger cruiser. Otherwise i agree with the fact that most would probably prefer a used low km Suzuki, Honda or Yamaha cruiser or even an HD.

I have the 250 (only until August) when I am looking at upgrading to a Boulevard. I have had no major problems with the Hyosung, it was a cheap purchase which has served its purpose well. I thought that spending as little as a learner on a bike as i could would be better in the long run when I upgrade. However, I would not really want to spend 14K on the bigger Hyosung. I would rather put that sort of money to a Suzuki.

tigertim20

1st May 2012, 13:06

What do you call a real bike exactly?
You mean a motorcycle that has.. Well the components of a motorcycle?

:facepalm:
he probably means ones that dont grenade their entire electrical system spontaneously before they have reached 10k on the clock, or ones that dont begin to show signs of frame rust when they are only 5 years (or less) old, or ones that dont break down as often as britney spears.

http://hogmanuals.com/images/evel-knievel%284%29.jpg

Uhm, thats not a motorcycle, - its a waterpump.

Fine, maybe Hyosung can make a reasonable bike - but they have marketed themselves (in NZ at least, cant speak for other countries) as a manufacturer that make base-model entry type bikes on a budget. they are of lesser overall quality than the big four, or aprilia, bmw, etc etc etc, but they also come with a lower price.

They have yet to produce anything of the same price/quality to the level that other manufacturers are. and trying to take on the boulevard is, in my opinion, stupidity. massively popular, good name for reliability, pretty good sales, lots of aftermarket goodies, good resale and a wide range of model variances available are all things the boulevard has going for it that the hyosung does not.

they should work on improving the model range they currently have, their 2008 GT650R is heavier, has a wider turning circle, and worse handling that my old 21 year old 600.
Improving the current range and bringing it up to the level of the main manufacturers would be a better way to attack a higher-priced market IMO.

of course, these sentiments might not relate to other countries, and I hardly think any company is going to model their marketing and production based on the NZ experience. . .:laugh:

Ender EnZed

1st May 2012, 13:09

I have the 250 (only until August) when I am looking at upgrading to a Boulevard. I have had no major problems with the Hyosung, it was a cheap purchase which has served its purpose well. I thought that spending as little as a learner on a bike as i could would be better in the long run when I upgrade. However, I would not really want to spend 14K on the bigger Hyosung. I would rather put that sort of money to a Suzuki.

Would you test ride a bigger Hyosung as well before making your mind up?

Garfield

1st May 2012, 14:16

Would you test ride a bigger Hyosung as well before making your mind up?

Yep I would, although I have set my mind on the Boulevard I will test ride other makes before making my final choice. That will also include sport tourers as well as cruisers.
The GV250 is my very first bike and it has helped me in gaining confidence and skills. The next challenge is to find a bigger bike that suits me and my skills.
Personally I feel the price will always be a factor and I feel that the amount they are asking for the ST7 is a little high. But as they say "opinions vary".

Tigadee

1st May 2012, 20:17

Looks like you can get a brand new one for 10k dollars:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-471592656.htm

It's basically a copy of a Suzuki M-series bike, isn't it? Suzuki and Hyosung are partners...

Ender EnZed

1st May 2012, 20:21

Looks like you can get a brand new one for 10k dollars:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-471592656.htm

That's the old ST7 (2011 model), I assume the Stuff article in the OP was about a new one.

It's basically a copy of a Suzuki M-series bike, isn't it? Suzuki and Hyosung are partners...

The ST7 makes a good 20% more power.

DrunkenMistake

1st May 2012, 23:11

Suzuki and Hyosung are partners...

Not exactly, Hyosung Motors produced the Motors for the SV for a while then I think Suzuki moved back to their own factories, and Hyo built the GT..

Although Did you know one of Hyosungs China based Factories produce the PET bottles for Coca cola?

CookMySock

2nd May 2012, 13:25

is the ST7 LAMS aproved? or will it be I should sayI doubt it, but having said that, it's ~20hp less than the GT650R and will be nice and easy to ride. The 650R should never be a LAMS bike - it's too difficult for newbies to keep their weight off the bars and too much power for an L-plater. Even the RL is heavy and doesn't have the power to get the weight off the front suspension should you need to. Even the 250R is not really a good trainer unless you either have no fear or no brains, in which case you will be fine. The comet as well, has a touchy/flighty front end so maybe the cruisers would be a good LAMS candidate.

Quite a surprised to read about their popularity in the US. I suppose we do hear a lot about metric motorcycles - hyosung etc.

Still got mine after nearly four years. It's had its' issues, and there are some real problems that could be addressed, but it continues to be reliable bike and with a LOUD pipe on it, I find it quite satisfying.

willytheekid

2nd May 2012, 14:03

:facepalm:...17K...for a a Hyosung

If your proud of your product...you "Proudly" display your name on it!...oh wait :laugh: ST7....says it ALL!!

Yup those Hyosung 650s are a good bike!...if you strip them down and fix the many, many, MANY small design faults!...and simple math, if you buy it for 9k....and then sell it for 3K...its not aged well OR held its value. (And thats IS hyosung summed up)

So go ahead, keep the faith at your own cost, just stop trying to sell us orange juice when ya only got lemons! :bleh:

(No disrespect to Hyosung owners intended, they ARE good bikes if you put the money and time into them...but even then...there still worth SFA)

Tigadee

2nd May 2012, 18:53

..17K...for a a Hyosung

That's the RRP. In reality, it's 10-12K.

DrunkenMistake

4th May 2012, 19:58

Still got mine after nearly four years. It's had its' issues, and there are some real problems that could be addressed, but it continues to be reliable bike and with a LOUD pipe on it, I find it quite satisfying.

Iv had my 650 for almost a year now, and it had the R/R stator issue after a week of owning it, and then the front master cylinder failed shortly after, but since then I havnt had a problem with it, and the can I have on it makes it sound like sex to the ears..

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DMNTD

4th May 2012, 20:23

That's the RRP. In reality, it's 10-12K.

Sadly because they don't sell well to compared their Jap counterparts and some Dealers need to unload them hence the price drop (apart from those lower priced units being "older" models).
Compared to many Jap cruisers I have ridden, they DO handle better and have a wee bit more stomp.
Unfortunately their resale is less than average compared to those same Jap cruisers too.
Largest problem I used to have is keeping the surface rust off them if I had a demo bike left outside.
I do hope that the newer models are better in that regard.

Tigadee

4th May 2012, 20:33

Largest problem I used to have is keeping the surface rust off them if I had a demo bike left outside.
I do hope that the newer models are better in that regard.

Spray 'em with a layer of Lanolin? It works really well.

DMNTD

4th May 2012, 21:12

Spray 'em with a layer of Lanolin? It works really well.

Oh I do know how to counter it...but I'm talking a NEW unit here.
But if I was to be dropping $12k-$17K on anything, I most certainly do not believe I that it is ok that it comes with a second rate finish.There's waaaaaaay too many alternatives out there that are more affordable without the same íssues'

CookMySock

4th May 2012, 22:00

Iv had my 650 for almost a year now, and it had the R/R stator issue after a week of owning it, and then the front master cylinder failed shortly after, but since then I havnt had a problem with it, and the can I have on it makes it sound like sex to the ears..Yeah they make a great vtwin growl ay. If it's not giving a demonic crackle-bang-blue-flame on overrun, someone has probably "tuned" it.

Keep an eye on the rear master cylinder as well. You can pull the rubber boot off it and liberally grease it, or else it will corrode, jam on, and lock the rear brake on.

DrunkenMistake

5th May 2012, 19:35

Yeah they make a great vtwin growl ay. If it's not giving a demonic crackle-bang-blue-flame on overrun, someone has probably "tuned" it.

Keep an eye on the rear master cylinder as well. You can pull the rubber boot off it and liberally grease it, or else it will corrode, jam on, and lock the rear brake on.

I will keep an eye on it,
Im a constant user of both brakes even though im 100% sure the rear brake doesnt even work Hahaha,
Although I have changed the front cylinder, I still have maybe 70% pressure, after one or two pumps its 100% but give it a few seconds and its back to 70%. Im thinking maybe the part of the brake hose where it goes from 1 - 2 that maybe that little junction is a bit fucked im not sure.