Amps still shit after 8 years.

[The Pastor]

So i went to amps 8 years ago to see about getting my bike dyno tuned.

They told me flat out that they would not touch my bike as its over 10 years old.

I thought I go in again and see if they had changed their business model, nope still wont work on 10yr old bikes.

Guess they are making all the dough. COS THEY SURE ARNT GETTING MINE.

[sil3nt]

Buy a newer bike.

[GrayWolf]

I wonder if the policy is driven by a 'risk factor' of mechanical failure due to age/milage etc for bikes over 10yrs old??

[nodrog]

I think Dpex owns it now, and he wont touch anything thats over 10 years old.

[misterO]

I'm going to be getting my '01 FLSTF outta storage soon and planned to have AMPS do the oil change/service. When I read this post I rang them to see if they would do the maintenance on my 11 year old Fatty: they said "no problem". Phew.

[CHOPPA]

I think thats just a nice way of saying they dont want to work on your bike...

[5150]

I think maybe the issue is not with servicing but with Dynoing. I could see how they would not want to risk an "older" bike for fear it would blow up. But then again, I have seen many new bikes shit them selves as well. So go figure

[baffa]

That doesnt make sense to me. If I ran the dyno I wouldnt indemnify peoples bikes whilst they were on there, and I would make them sign some paper to make sure they understood. Chuck a 1950s Velocette on there, doesnt matter to me.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That doesnt make sense to me. If I ran the dyno I wouldnt indemnify peoples bikes whilst they were on there, and I would make them sign some paper to make sure they understood. Chuck a 1950s Velocette on there, doesnt matter to me.

Absolutely. We'll dyno anything you wanna pay us to dyno.

[5150]

Absolutely. We'll dyno anything you wanna pay us to dyno.

Even my nana's mobility scooter? :confused:

[Zedder]

So i went to amps 8 years ago to see about getting my bike dyno tuned.

They told me flat out that they would not touch my bike as its over 10 years old.

I thought I go in again and see if they had changed their business model, nope still wont work on 10yr old bikes.

Guess they are making all the dough. COS THEY SURE ARNT GETTING MINE.


So there was no other reason, just the fact the bike was over 10 years old?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Even my nana's mobility scooter? :confused:

More than likely.:innocent:

[pritch]

Absolutely. We'll dyno anything you wanna pay us to dyno.

That's very ummmm confident of you. It isn't hard to imagine an old shitter being run up to max revs and exploding into shrapnel. ("Losing its structural integrity" as the engineers put it in their understated way...)

Maybe AMPS have been once bitten and are consequently twice shy?

They did two runs for me a few years ago and were good to deal with.

[Zedder]

That's very ummmm confident of you. It isn't hard to imagine an old shitter being run up to max revs and exploding into shrapnel. ("Losing its structural integrity" as the engineers put it in their understated way...)

Maybe AMPS have been once bitten and are consequently twice shy?

They did two runs for me a few years ago and were good to deal with.

A simple contract taking away liability from the shop would be an answer to that as mentioned earlier which is why I'd like to hear more from the OP.

[YellowDog]

Can't really see the big deal here. What RM is asking for isn't in their business focus, therefore their decision represents good business sense. Attempting to be everything to everyone equates to bad business sense.

Lots of others out there will provide the service required and will fit in nicely with their own business models.

Try TripleZee :yes:

[The Pastor]

A simple contract taking away liability from the shop would be an answer to that as mentioned earlier which is why I'd like to hear more from the OP.

Yeah they didnt even see the bike (both times) when they told me they wont work on it.

actually the 1st time, (8 years ago) I bought the dynojet kit off them, and they wouldn't install it. DIDN'T MENTION THIS PRIOR TO ME BUYING IT HOWEVER.

Dosent bother me, but anyone know a good carb guy?

[Zedder]

Yeah they didnt even see the bike (both times) when they told me they wont work on it.

actually the 1st time, (8 years ago) I bought the dynojet kit off them, and they wouldn't install it. DIDN'T MENTION THIS PRIOR TO ME BUYING IT HOWEVER.

Dosent bother me, but anyone know a good carb guy?

Fair enough. Try Triple Zee Cycles (Manurewa, Auckland) like Yellowdog suggested.

[Big Dave]

Are we talking about your Virago?

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's very ummmm confident of you. It isn't hard to imagine an old shitter being run up to max revs and exploding into shrapnel. ("Losing its structural integrity" as the engineers put it in their understated way...)

Maybe AMPS have been once bitten and are consequently twice shy?

They did two runs for me a few years ago and were good to deal with.

Not a problem. We warn our customers of the risk and have them sign it away. If it goes bang, better it do so there than on the race track or elsewhere. Don't think we've blown anything up yet. Although a turbo Busa fucked our dyno!

[The Pastor]

Are we talking about your Virago?

yeah, its such a manly bike :D

[Motu]

When Ray Pratt started Universal Motorcycles in the mid '70's, in a dark damp basement in Stoddard Rd Mt Roskill he had a policy of not working on bikes over 10 years old...and yes, people were pissed off. That Ray is still in business more than 35 years later, and still has the same workshop policy is a pretty good reason to keep it that way.

[Big Dave]

They did you a favour.

They saved you money and 'probably' saved it from exploding.
You can tune that sucker by reading the plugs and exhaust.

[Crasherfromwayback]

.
You can tune that sucker by reading the plugs and exhaust.

Much harder to read for the average person now we're on unleaded fuel I reckon.

[jrandom]

Try TripleZee :yes:


Fair enough. Try Triple Zee Cycles (Manurewa, Auckland) like Yellowdog suggested.

What they said.

http://www.triplezeecycles.co.nz/Index.html


When Ray Pratt started Universal Motorcycles in the mid '70's, in a dark damp basement in Stoddard Rd Mt Roskill he had a policy of not working on bikes over 10 years old...and yes, people were pissed off. That Ray is still in business more than 35 years later, and still has the same workshop policy is a pretty good reason to keep it that way.

What he said.

Be interesting to see how AMPS fares when Ray finally hangs up his hat and rides off into the sunset.

[pale rider]

some day's you just have to travel to get good service..:msn-wink:

[sidecar bob]

Yep, thats the spirit. Publicly bag some shop because they are not stupid enough to waste their time working on a pile of shit for a tool.

[R6_kid]

Try Red Baron. They have/had a dyno downstairs.

Do people seriously still believe that dynos mysteriously explode engines? If it's fucked, it's fucked.

[jonbuoy]

Seems odd, they could always ask you what rpm limit you wanted.

[gammaguy]

I think Dpex owns it now, and he wont touch anything thats over 10 years old.

yep

anything over ten years old is likely to blow up in his face..

[brp]

more than two strokes is masturbation

But you are firing twice as fast :bleh:

Was looking at a racing cage and the seller said it had 200 hours of dyno development , put me off - thought friggin thing could be worn out from the dyno , sounded like a tall story, then read in the specialist cage forum he had blown his diff in his first meeting :facepalm:

From what I have read its hard to compare apples with apples with reading from dyno to dyno varying so much.

Unless you have a Real need, just get on and ride it you will know if its fast, way easier on gear, bike will have real world forces on it like it was designed for, not sitting on the spot screaming the back wheel up starving for airflow.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Unless you have a Real need, just get on and ride it you will know if its fast, way easier on gear, bike will have real world forces on it like it was designed for, not sitting on the spot screaming the back wheel up starving for airflow.

That's why we remove the rear wheel and drive ours directly and can load it up. By the way...the fan keeps 'em good and cool.

[The Pastor]

That's why we remove the rear wheel and drive ours directly and can load it up. By the way...the fan keeps 'em good and cool.

so you attach the bike to a dyno via its chain??

What about driveshafts?

[The Pastor]

When Ray Pratt started Universal Motorcycles in the mid '70's, in a dark damp basement in Stoddard Rd Mt Roskill he had a policy of not working on bikes over 10 years old...and yes, people were pissed off. That Ray is still in business more than 35 years later, and still has the same workshop policy is a pretty good reason to keep it that way.

I'm not that pissed off, I just find it funny how you can get really good service from the likes of AJ or George, yet others just don't want to know. Must be making all the $$.

They can run their business however they want, just thought i'd let others know before they embarrass themselves by owning a slightly old bike....

I think I might just do the tuning myself, unless I can find an expert. I've got a year or so before I have to worry too much :)

[sil3nt]

I think I might just do the tuning myself, unless I can find an expert.You can do it by sniffing the exhaust. Hasn't KB taught you anything?

[The Pastor]

You can do it by sniffing the exhaust. Hasn't KB taught you anything?

well ive never played around with a pumper carb before, so im going to have a bit of fun :D

[brp]

Blowing air onto a bike different airflow than a bike cutting through the air :msn-wink: your low running temperatures main thing :Punk:

So if ya take an 8 year old bike into this chap that has 200,000 clicks on it he will dyno it ? :D

[The Pastor]

Blowing air onto a bike different airflow than a bike cutting through the air :msn-wink: your low running temperatures main thing :Punk:

So if ya take an 8 year old bike into this chap that has 200,000 clicks on it he will dyno it ? :D

I think if its harley anything they will dyno it.

[brp]

What ya fitting ya pumper too ? Lot fitted to XR650's and heap of info on net to by pass the dyno, Mr google should have something on what you fitting it to ....

[Crasherfromwayback]

so you attach the bike to a dyno via its chain??

What about driveshafts?

We attach your rear sprocket or pulley to an adaptor plate that goes down into the dyno and drives a hydraulic pump via a chain.

We could do a shafty, but the time needed to make up an adaptor would make it too expensive. We did have a Guzzi owner a while ago that was going to make his own, but obviously decided against it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Blowing air onto a bike different airflow than a bike cutting through the air :msn-wink: your low running temperatures main thing :Punk:



Haven't overheated one yet!

[brp]

Good to hear

Ya still wouldn't know though if ya had a damaging hot spot .....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ya still wouldn't know though if ya had a damaging hot spot .....

Think you'll find it's all ok. I rode a Buell through the Nevada Desert when it was 48 deg c at rather large throttle openings.. You reckon that was harder on it than being on our dyno in a temp controlled room with a huge fan?

[brp]

Nice action on the Nevada Desert

Some would say no difference between pushing clothes through the water to pushing the water through the clothes in a washing machine but the results show different ....

Unless ya got a fan the size they use in the lyttelton road tunnel where ya could drive a car through it dare say you would be better in the desert, if someone was silly enough to do 200 k's plus with no helmet on and see how it compares to your fan - probably see where I am coming from interms of airflow

Each to their own you guys obviously got a practical use for a dyno in that nice shop of yours but for average joe punter with no Real need whats the point of putting ya bike in an environment it was not designed for ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

whats the point of putting ya bike in an environment it was not designed for ?

To get a nicer power delivery without all of the holes in the torque curve they nearly all have as std. To acheive better fuel mileage. To have a nicer running eninge with a smoother power delivery. To have considerably more torque through out the rev range. For longer engine life as we have the fuelling far better sorted. Other than that...no real reason.

[brp]

Just buy a more powerful bike ..... that way the crank etc is designed for the power

[Gremlin]

Just buy a more powerful bike ..... that way the crank etc is designed for the power
:thud:

cfwb is not talking about sticking a turbo on the bike, making whacking great power etc. The improvements are relatively small in the HP numbers, but it's not really about the HP. It's about making the standard bike better... argh, hard to describe better as cfwb has already stated it, and you seemed to have missed it.

The "more powerful bike" will have the same issues with holes in curve, fueling not being spot on for NZ conditions and fuel etc.

[Crasherfromwayback]

:thud:

.

Correct. Any bike is way nicer to ride with the dips and troughs in the torque curve gone. But he's obviously anti/better than a dyno, so good luck to him.

[The Pastor]

What ya fitting ya pumper too ? Lot fitted to XR650's and heap of info on net to by pass the dyno, Mr google should have something on what you fitting it to ....

thinking about buying one of these

http://www.kjsmotorcycleworks.com/kjs_manifold.htm

seems pretty legit, and MIGHT just go out of the box (as i have an american spec bike) but i doubt it will :P

[The Pastor]

Just buy a more powerful bike ..... that way the crank etc is designed for the power

now wheres the fun in that?

[brp]

Full on bit of kit :D

"The fun is in riding your stead not pissing about in your garage"

If ya buy a NZ new bike it should be sent from Japan for our fuel etc


Wee ricers been making bikes longer than the age of most using the Dyno

Do you think they spend millions in development but forget doing the last wee bit that "johnny at tommies yamaha" is trying to achieve
on his dyno ? Sure ya can get more horsepower, torque curve - but at what expense to longevity, reliability etc

[Crasherfromwayback]

If ya buy a NZ new bike it should be sent from Japan for our fuel etc


Wee ricers been making bikes longer than the age of most using the Dyno

Do you think they spend millions in development but forget doing the last wee bit that "johnny at tommies yamaha" is trying to achieve
on his dyno ? Sure ya can get more horsepower, torque curve - but at what expense to longevity, reliability etc

They all come as lean as fuck to get through emmission laws mate. Running lean ain't that good for longevity.

[brp]

Vast majority of new bike buyers their bikes never see a dyno but still achieve big miles

[Crasherfromwayback]

Vast majority of new bike buyers their bikes never see a dyno but still achieve big miles

You're 100% correct. Dyno's are a complete waste of time and money. Wonder why the factories use 'em.

[Headbanger]

They all come as lean as fuck to get through emmission laws mate. Running lean ain't that good for longevity.

Is that to say my bike needs to be retuned?

[pritch]

Full on bit of kit :D

If ya buy a NZ new bike it should be sent from Japan for our fuel etc



It's not that simple. Part of the problem is caused by the way the emissions testing is done. There often tends to be a dip around the rev range where the testing is done so as to get good readings.

Not all bikes of any model are exactly equal, or are used the same, are at the same altitude, or the same temperature, but there is only one standard EFI setting. If you require completely new settings (eg aftermarket cans) that's where the Power Commanders come in.
Even without mods a custom map can result in a much nicer ride. Mine certainly did.

Some bikes, like most of the current Triumphs, have adaptive EFI and will modify their own settings within reason. You can still change the standard maps if you do major mods, but the bike can adapt to minor variations on its own. Or owners can assist with the "12 minute tune up".

[Big Dave]

Horses - courses. High performance modern bike with electronic everything - modifications too. Yep - Dyno it for optimum tune.

We're talking about a resurrected Virago.

And yes Gareth - I do believe that if you put an old, tired bike under the maximum loads that a dyno exerts - something could easily break.

They call it being sympathetic to the machine - or not.

[brp]

You're 100% correct. Dyno's are a complete waste of time and money. Wonder why the factories use 'em.

If the factories use them no need for us to have to :bleh:


It's not that simple. Part of the problem is caused by the way the emissions testing is done. There often tends to be a dip around the rev range where the testing is done so as to get good readings.

Not all bikes of any model are exactly equal, or are used the same, are at the same altitude, or the same temperature, but there is only one standard EFI setting. If you require completely new settings (eg aftermarket cans) you need new EFI settings which is where the Power Commanders come in.
Even without mods a custom map can result in a much nicer ride. Mine certainly did.

Some bikes, like most of the current Triumphs, have adaptive EFI and will modify their own settings within reason. You can still change the standard maps if you do major mods, but the bike can adapt to minor variations on its own. Or owners can assist with the "12 minute tune up".

Are bikes detuned before they leave ports in japan to meet our emissions laws ?

[onearmedbandit]

Do you think they spend millions in development but forget doing the last wee bit that "johnny at tommies yamaha" is trying to achieve
on his dyno ? Sure ya can get more horsepower, torque curve - but at what expense to longevity, reliability etc

Really? They do have to pass emission (as pointed out) and noise tests, each of which can have a bearing not necessarily on the top end (ie more peak power) but on smoothing out the dips which exist more often than not in the rev ranges where the tests are carried out. So how can this affect longevity and reliability if you are not actually increasing either the peak torque or hp figures?

Let's for arguments sake say it does. How much will it effect the longevity and reliability? Would it shorten the engines life say from 200,000km to 180,000? 150,000? 100,000? I'd argue things like servicing and environment would play a far larger part in reducing and engines life.

I have had my bike dynoed, no modifications to the engine, K&N filter, Yoshi tailpipe and Yoshi engine management system. After tuning it with the laptop we got a very healthy power increase (10%) and strong peak torque increase. What made the biggest difference though was filling in the troughs around 8 and 10 thousand rpm. That was about 15,000km ago and it's still running like clockwork.

[onearmedbandit]

Are bikes detuned before they leave ports in japan to meet our emissions laws ?

They are detuned in production. This is nothing new, car manufacturers have do it too. Also there are bean counters watching constantly trimming costs.

[brp]

But why do ya need a dyno when the dealers have all the NZ setting at your disposal - air/mix turns , altitude ....

[Zedder]

But why do ya need a dyno when the dealers have all the NZ setting at your disposal - air/mix turns , altitude ....

Some reading for you:http://raskcycle.com/service/dyno-qa.html

[onearmedbandit]

But why do ya need a dyno when the dealers have all the NZ setting at your disposal - air/mix turns , altitude ....

You're right. Suzuki for example can tune your factory detuned Fi Suzuki with their teka tune. But if your bike is modified, without a dyno or road test throughout the rev range at different throttle positions with analysis (such as an O2 sensor) they can't get it as close to perfect as possible.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But why do ya need a dyno when the dealers have all the NZ setting at your disposal - air/mix turns , altitude ....

Because no two bikes are the same. And running them up on a dyno, with a gas analyser up it's arse is THE best way to get it sorted as well as it possibly can be.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If the factories use them no need for us to have to :bleh:



They only use them after seeing the sort of results we could get with the bikes they built, and wanted to see if they can get 'em going as good as we can!:innocent:

[Zedder]

The award for patience goes to.....Cfwb!

[brp]

Because no two bikes are the same. And running them up on a dyno, with a gas analyser up it's arse is THE best way to get it sorted as well as it possibly can be.

Cookie cutter engineering jap bikes

Just get quicker bike that is designed to be quicker

[baffa]

He has to be patient, these are his future customers!

brp: If its al too much to understand, there is a newbies forum for you to play in, that doesnt have any sharp edges.

[brp]

As said horses for courses - play on ya dyno or buy a quicker bike that the drivetrain etc is designed for ......

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just get quicker bike that is designed to be quicker

Most people are just really happy getting their current bike working as well as it possibly can.


As said horses for courses - play on ya dyno or buy a quicker bike that the drivetrain etc is designed for ......

Don't think the drivetrain will freak if we smooth out the power delivery and make the bike nicer (smoother) to ride. Haven't you modified the fuck out of your XR650? Didn't you put motard wheel it it? Why didn't you just buy a road bike? You know...with 17" wheels on it, and bigger brakes?

[nodrog]

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp209/kisame4892/is-dis-nigga-serious.jpg

[Str8 Jacket]

As said horses for courses - play on ya dyno or buy a quicker bike that the drivetrain etc is designed for ......

Hmm,you don't much like listening to others do you.

[brp]

Most people are just really happy getting their current bike working as well as it possibly can.



Don't think the drivetrain will freak if we smooth out the power delivery and make the bike nicer (smoother) to ride. Haven't you modified the fuck out of your XR650? Didn't you put motard wheel it it? Why didn't you just buy a road bike? You know...with 17" wheels on it, and bigger brakes?

Have two register two bikes then :msn-wink:

You are doing them a good service, easier buying from a manufacturer that produces a smooth riding bike if thats what you into

[Crasherfromwayback]

Have two register two bikes then :msn-wink:



No problem. Think of all the money you've saved not dynoing them!

[brp]

Yeah true ! :D ching ching

[onearmedbandit]

As said horses for courses - play on ya dyno or buy a quicker bike that the drivetrain etc is designed for ......

You don't read too well do you. Or maybe you do and you just pick and choose what you want to read.

[GrayWolf]

Cookie cutter engineering jap bikes

Just get quicker bike that is designed to be quicker

yes unlike HD who have S&S, Screaming Eagle and a lot of customising extras to make the bike 'non' cookie cutter

OOOOOOPS all owned by HD......

[schrodingers cat]

Question to the OP?

When it goes pop on the dyno who's problem would you try to make that?

A lot of 'cunts' who are in business never were cunts before they started.

And the customer is always right.

[Crasherfromwayback]

yes unlike HD who have S&S, Screaming Eagle and a lot of customising extras to make the bike 'non' cookie cutter

OOOOOOPS all owned by HD......

HD don't and never have owned S&S.

[Big Dave]

Actually, I agree with mr brp.

Every bike I've hotted up became proportionally unreliable according to the hotness bestowed.

These days I prefer buying the right tool for the job, instead of fixing one till it breaks.

[BMWST?]

A simple contract taking away liability from the shop would be an answer to that as mentioned earlier which is why I'd like to hear more from the OP.


a simple contract is fine,but the guy whose bike has just blown up isnt going to be too happy and i guess there is also the fact that you have a clean up job.So they figure its not worth the trouble and have said so quite plainly.Whats the problem?

[Big Dave]

One of you mods should change the title of this thread too.
Something like 'RM has a spack' would be good.

[Zedder]

a simple contract is fine,but the guy whose bike has just blown up isnt going to be too happy and i guess there is also the fact that you have a clean up job.So they figure its not worth the trouble and have said so quite plainly.Whats the problem?

I just wanted some more info because I didn't think the OP was giving the full story.

Like Crasherfromwayback said, he gets customers to sign off liability.

[The Pastor]

so how many bikes blow up on dynos?

[Big Dave]

so how many bikes blow up on dynos?

Let's start with yours. Get some aviation fuel from that BP at Kumeu and we'll go from there.

Blow Up is too emotive.

Expedite mechanical failure in an older vehicle with a questionable service life.

[gammaguy]

Just buy a more powerful bike ..... that way the crank etc is designed for the power

the last models that I can remember that had underengineered cranks were the TX750 Yamaha in around 1975

To be honest most if not all bikes from the reputable makers these days are correctly engineered.

[gammaguy]

Cookie cutter engineering jap bikes

Just get quicker bike that is designed to be quicker

with all due respect-bullshit

every bike owner has the right to have his or her machine performing to its true potential,and only correct and proper tuning can give that result.

the factories never have and never will invest the time and effort to do that,its up to the person that has the money and emotions invested to do it.

If the owner is happy as it is,fine.But I can assure you there is not a bike made that can not be improved or at least tailored to its owner if they want to invest the time and money.

I own three bikes,one small,one not very big,and one a little bigger.as far as im concerned I get a great buzz out of them being the best they can be,and would not trade them for a "bigger,faster"machine for all the tea in China.

Different strokes and all that,but fair dues to those who want a better bike than they started with.

whatever size it is.

[pritch]

Actually, I agree with mr brp.

Every bike I've hotted up became proportionally unreliable according to the hotness bestowed.



Ummm nobody much was talking about hotting anything up? The discussion had evolved to being mainly about getting the bike running to its potential.

[Maha]

Must be deja vu for RM...I remember he and a good friend pushing a clapped out project into Cycletreads one fine Saturday morning, got shown the door soon after....back onto the waiting trailer it went..:corn:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Is that to say my bike needs to be retuned?

You still got the nipple? We could make it bettera for sure mate.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Every bike I've hotted up became proportionally unreliable according to the hotness bestowed.

These days I prefer buying the right tool for the job, instead of fixing one till it breaks.

I bet you're talking old bikes BD.

Cause modern ones don't break.

Even though we're talking about tuning what you've got..you can (if you want) get rather large gains on any modern road going motorcycle without the risk of failure.

[The Pastor]

Must be deja vu for RM...I remember he and a good friend pushing a clapped out project into Cycletreads one fine Saturday morning, got shown the door soon after....back onto the waiting trailer it went..:corn:

refresh my memory?

[baffa]

I look at it this way: If my bike is in poor enough condition to blow up from a few minutes revving on a dyno, id much rather have it do it there than on the road.

Typically Public Liability covers for customer property in your care, custody or control, or under service or repair, but I still feel it is unfair to expect them to cover your bike on a dyno. What if the oil is 40,000km old, and you have screwed with the timing? Why should the dyno operaters be held liable when the bike siezes midrun, because you cant maintain your bike?

[Big Dave]

Ummm nobody much was talking about hotting anything up? The discussion had evolved to being mainly about getting the bike running to its potential.

Ummm - we're talking about what RM wants to do with a Virago - make it a Diavel.

[The Pastor]

ummm - we're talking about what rm wants to do with a virago - make it a diavel.

news to me

[Big Dave]

news to me

When we want your opinion - I'll give it.

[The Pastor]

When we want your opinion - I'll give it.

http://performanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?67245333-Turbocharging-a-carby-v-twin

[sidecar bob]

Ummm - we're talking about what RM wants to do with a Virago - make it a Diavel.

I guess thats the only way you could possibly make a Virago more ugly than they already are.

[Katman]

I guess thats the only way you could possibly make a Virago more ugly than they already are.

I think sticking RM on one works a treat.

[The Pastor]

i think sticking rm on one works a treat.

coming from the man whos mother is also his sister.

[bsasuper]

Triple zee is hard to work with, he dosnt even work there full time.I've tried several times to get him to do a tune with no luck.In the end I just rode down south to another well known dyno operator.

[The Pastor]

Triple zee is hard to work with, he dosnt even work there full time.I've tried several times to get him to do a tune with no luck.In the end I just rode down south to another well known dyno operator.

care to share a name?

[brp]

Actually, I agree with mr brp.

Every bike I've hotted up became proportionally unreliable according to the hotness bestowed.

These days I prefer buying the right tool for the job, instead of fixing one till it breaks.

Hellalula


I look at it this way: If my bike is in poor enough condition to blow up from a few minutes revving on a dyno, id much rather have it do it there than on the road.

Flawed logic - Could be the dyno that does the damage and becomes apparent on your next trip on the hershey highway

[baffa]

Hellalula



Flawed logic - Could be the dyno that does the damage and becomes apparent on your next trip on the hershey highway

How Ironic.
Perhaps you could point out any proof of Dynos causing damage to vehicles? Nevermind the fact that many vehicles spend time on a dyno during production.

[onearmedbandit]

Hellalula


Yup I truly regret having better throttle response, overall performance and improved economy. Silly me.

[brp]

Its one of those things you will never know if you have shortened the life of ya bike - try running in a sauna - if you have no Real need don't do it for the sake of it. Again if its been dynoed in the factory why the hell do you have to do it to a standard bike ?

[brp]

Yup I truly regret having better throttle response, overall performance and improved economy. Silly me.

Just buy a Honda and it will be sweet out of the box - why do you think they get so much stick :D

Do you think the ricers know less than you :facepalm:

Other products regarded as being shite if ya have to improve them once ya pull them out of the box - why should a motorbike be regarded any different ?

[pritch]

Just buy a Honda and it will be sweet out of the box

My Hornet wasn't that "sweet", more like OK. A custom map made it much smoother and gave it more top end as well.

I already said all bikes aren't the same, neither are all riders. If you can have your bike set up as good as it could be, why wouldn't you? (Leave out any impecunious student stories...:violin:)

[onearmedbandit]

Do you think the ricers know less than you :facepalm:



Now I've worked you out. I had suspicions you were a troll from the get go. Now you've confirmed it.

Or I may be wrong and you are a complete idiot.

[Kickaha]

Again if its been dynoed in the factory why the hell do you have to do it to a standard bike ?
To optimise what you have, they aren't as good as they could be when they leave the factory

Or I may be wrong and you are a complete idiot.
I think you were wrong

[brp]

I think you were wrong

Look forward catching up at some stage and you can call me a complete idiot to my face


That old chestnut when the going gets tuff - you are a troll .......

You einsteins missing the point - your perceived lag could very well be on purpose to make it easier on your crank etc

Again - do you think they spend millions in development but can't be shagged to do the last bit .....

Beg to differ on this one

[onearmedbandit]

Again - do you think they spend millions in development but can't be shagged to do the last bit .....

Beg to differ on this one

It's called passing emission and noise limits. Google it, you'll find a huge amount of info out there about it. Or maybe, just maybe, everyone else is wrong and you are right.

Nah I'm just kidding ya. You're wrong.

[nodrog]

Sniffing paint while you are pregnant is bad, mmmmkay!

[Kickaha]

Look forward catching up at some stage and you can call me a complete idiot to my face
Yeah whatever

Again - do you think they spend millions in development but can't be shagged to do the last bit
Perhaps you can explain how a stock standard K4 GSXR1000 can be put on a dyno, gain an easy 8-10HP and fill in a big hole in the midrange if the factory is doing such a good job?

I guess that big midrange hole is just to make it easier on the crank though


Again - do you think they spend millions in development but can't be shagged to do the last bit .....

It's not that they can't be shagged it's that they're making them by the thousands and as has been pointed out they have emissions and other shit they have to pass

[brp]

I guess that big midrange hole is just to make it easier on the crank though



You said it

That emissions card BS - not living in LA

[onearmedbandit]

You said it

That emissions card BS - not living in LA

Oh. My. Fucking. God.

Just when you thought this thread couldn't reach higher levels of stupidity.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just when you thought this thread couldn't reach higher levels of stupidity.

I reckon there's still room to move.

[brp]

Way you going on ya think they got all the anti smog crap on them

[onearmedbandit]

Way you going on ya think they got all the anti smog crap on them

You're the only one to mention LA and anti-smog. Heard of Euro Emission laws? We in NZ now have to adhere to Euro 4 for importing vehicles. Do you think that vehicles sold in NZ/Aus/Japan/Europe etc don't have to pass emission tests before being allowed to be sold to the public? What about noise testing? You've ignored that one.

Do some research on what the testing involves, find out at what rpm they do the testing. Then look at dyno charts for factory bikes. See if you can spot something that ties the two together.

I'll give you a hint. Typically where the testing is done (no not location, rev range) there will be either a slight dip or flattening of the power and torque curve. This is because manufacturers are smart (cheeky little ricers aren't they) and make the engines cleaner and quieter at this point, ie compromising their performance in that one area but not everywhere else. Then a stupid whitey like me can pay another stupid whitey (we're not as clever as those ricers - by the way very racist comment, my daughter is half Japanese - have some respect) to get rid of those holes or dips.

Hey I wonder if I can pay one to get rid of another dip.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hey I wonder if I can pay one to get rid of another dip.

Bring that baby up here for a dip ditch. We'll give you a very sucky motor!

[nodrog]

This thread just went full retard.

[Crasherfromwayback]

This thread just went full retard.

We can adjust the retardation on your bike on our dyno. The cranks love that. So do the smog police.

[onearmedbandit]

Along his way of thinking everyone should leave their tyre pressures and suspension settings where they bloody well found them. The factories spend millions of dollars getting it right, what makes us believe we can do it better. Heck reducing your tyre pressures and changing your suspension setting might wear out your chassis components quicker. Leave them along you plonkers.

[brp]

You assume too much i maybe part asian

"Smarter than the people that made your bike" Know more about it was the context

Euro 4 just come in if its one thinking of that was on news

We already been here the good dealers have the adjustments for NZ but whack ya bike on a dyno so you can adjust the screws to the same place - oh thats right carn't be done cause no two jap bikes "Are the same" :D Original point was about average bikes along side dont put ya bike on a dyno unless you have a Real reason to - think another poster in here has comprehension

[Crasherfromwayback]

You assume too much i maybe part asian



If that's the case, you're a sirry irriot.:innocent:

[brp]

Along his way of thinking everyone should leave their tyre pressures and suspension settings where they bloody well found them. The factories spend millions of dollars getting it right, what makes us believe we can do it better. Heck reducing your tyre pressures and changing your suspension setting might wear out your chassis components quicker. Leave them along you plonkers.

Now that would be plain stupid when we all weigh differently

[brp]

If that's the case, you're a sirry irriot.:innocent:

Just chucked that in mr g translation tool come back - does not follow the flock

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just chucked that in mr g translation tool come back - does not follow the flock

Benny Hill.

[brp]

Benny Hill.

:D


So ya whacking every new hog that comes through ya door on ya dyno

[Crasherfromwayback]

:D


So ya whacking every new hog that comes through ya door on ya dyno

We do a fair few for sure. Plenty of Japanese stuff too.

[onearmedbandit]

Now that would be plain stupid when we all weigh differently

Interesting factoid for you. A well known major warranty company pay out more on damaged Subaru and other turbo cars in the South Island in Winter than they do in the North Island. They wanted to find out why. Their findings were that due to the colder temperatures in Christchurch and lower this resulted in the cars boosting higher in the South than in the North.

So tell me again how there is a 'NZ' setting.

Oh yes you might try to use this to argue that this is proof that we don't need to extract more power as it will reduce longevity. Wrong, if the cars were dyno tuned to run in the colder weather this would most likely reduce the risk of damage.

[brp]

Good wee earner

So ya not doing everyone that you uncrate for good customer service, since they been adjusted to meet our emisson laws, deliver the bike as harley intended ?

[Asher]

How many people are going to have to tell you different for you to change your opinion?

[brp]

Interesting factoid for you. A well known major warranty company pay out more on damaged Subaru and other turbo cars in the South Island in Winter than they do in the North Island. They wanted to find out why. Their findings were that due to the colder temperatures in Christchurch and lower this resulted in the cars boosting higher in the South than in the North.

So tell me again how there is a 'NZ' setting.

Oh yes you might try to use this to argue that this is proof that we don't need to extract more power as it will reduce longevity. Wrong, if the cars were dyno tuned to run in the colder weather this would most likely reduce the risk of damage.

Yah getting desperate now wowing on about cages, subs boost is so low from the factory compensate do you think japan has a tropical winter, more like winners turning their boost up, and more backyard mechanics willing to give it a go on the mainland, half of auckland sub owners be lucky to know how to raise the bonnet, facts not factoloids with so many variables

[Zedder]

Good wee earner

So ya not doing everyone that you uncrate for good customer service, since they been adjusted to meet our emisson laws, deliver the bike as harley intended ?

Did you even read up on the questions and answer via the link I supplied?

Everything you want to know can be found on the Internet without wasting anyones time any further.

[brp]

How many people are going to have to tell you different for you to change your opinion?

Im not the only one in here with the opinion

[nodrog]

Yah getting desperate now wowing on about cages, subs boost is so low from the factory compensate do you think japan has a tropical winter, more like winners turning their boost up, and more backyard mechanics willing to give it a go on the mainland, half of auckland sub owners be lucky to know how to raise the bonnet, facts not factoloids with so many variables

Reading your link confirms it, you Sir, are a fuckin idiot.

[brp]

Did you even read up on the questions and answer via the link I supplied?

Everything you want to know can be found on the Internet without wasting anyones time any further.

I posted the link was dead

If you are all so convinced stop replying why do you have to try and convince me ?

[brp]

Reading your link confirms it, you Sir, are a fuckin idiot.


Big hero behing ya keys :)

[nodrog]

Big hero behing ya keys :)



244 Chadwick Road, Greerton Tauranga, I'm here all night.

[brp]

I'll just warm the jet up dickhead

[Maha]

244 Chadwick Road, Greerton Tauranga, I'm here all night.


I'll just warm the jet up dickhead

Fluffy Dusters at dawn you horrid bitches! :girlfight:

[nodrog]

I'll just warm the jet up dickhead

Big hero behing ya keys :)

[Maha]

Big hero behing ya keys :)

....have you got tea on yet, I'll be home soon...:love:

[nodrog]

....have you got tea on yet, I'll be home soon...:love:

Sweet, Big Red Penis will be here soon too, we can have a dinner party.

More tea Vicar?

[onearmedbandit]

Yah getting desperate now wowing on about cages, subs boost is so low from the factory compensate do you think japan has a tropical winter, more like winners turning their boost up, and more backyard mechanics willing to give it a go on the mainland, half of auckland sub owners be lucky to know how to raise the bonnet, facts not factoloids with so many variables

I'll let the warranty company know your findings. They might want to give you a job.

[nodrog]

.... They might want to give you a job.

Counting sump plugs on SH1 would be a good job for him.

[Madness]

Overqualified Underqualified.

[Usarka]

244 Chadwick Road, Greerton Tauranga, I'm here all night.

You know he's in CHC - you should have given him your phone number ya poof.

(07) 578 3460

[brp]

Sweet, Big Red Penis will be here soon too, we can have a dinner party.

More tea Vicar?

Trust you to get it - penis's and dildoo's always on ya mind ........

I'm 1/2 cherokee


Nah most those warranty places dodgiee


Off to put the jet on the dyno - don't think much of boeing engineers think I can do better my self under my 70 watt incandcent

[brp]

You know he's in CHC - you should have given him your phone number ya poof.

(07) 578 3460

Who phones these days - yep you truly old skool

[Madness]

You know he's in CHC - you should have given him your phone number ya poof.

(07) 578 3460

I just ordered two pizzas, a garlic bread and a 2lt of coke. :Punk:

[Zedder]

I just ordered two pizzas, a garlic bread and a 2lt of coke. :Punk:

I just organised the dirty girls.

[brp]

I just ordered two pizzas, a garlic bread and a 2lt of coke. :Punk:

I got bit of shit going round to 244 Chadwick Road, Greerton Tauranga

Thick as well as a hero

[theseekerfinds]

I just want to thank everyone for a most entertaining hour of reading and merriment.. you guys are the best, I love being a KBer :clap:

I don't feel a need to add to this discussion any further :rockon:

[nodrog]

I got bit of shit going round to 244 Chadwick Road, Greerton Tauranga

Thick as well as a hero

what colour is your cape?

[Kickaha]

244 Chadwick Road, Greerton Tauranga, I'm here all night.

Did they build that place specially to keep an eye on Bob at the workshop?

[nodrog]

Did they build that place specially to keep an eye on Bob at the workshop?

LOL yeah, and the bakery across the road had something to do with it as well I reckon.

[Madness]

I got bit of shit going round to 244 Chadwick Road, Greerton Tauranga

Incendiary shit?

:corn:

[Kickaha]

LOL yeah, and the bakery across the road had something to do with it as well I reckon.

I had a pie there last year, they couldn't even tell me where Sherson street was:facepalm:

[Andy67]

I had a pie there last year, they couldn't even tell me where Sherson street was:facepalm:

Details...how was the pie?

[Usarka]

I got bit of shit going round to 244 Chadwick Road, Greerton Tauranga

Thick as well as a hero

Nodrog has been quiet for a few hours, that's way unusual. Wtf did you send?

[Nova.]

Brp, you sir, are a fuckwit.

[scumdog]

Yah getting desperate now wowing on about cages, subs boost is so low from the factory compensate do you think japan has a tropical winter, more like winners turning their boost up, and more backyard mechanics willing to give it a go on the mainland, half of auckland sub owners be lucky to know how to raise the bonnet, facts not factoloids with so many variables

Lemme guess - grammar is not your forte'???

You don't write the England too crash hot auw!

[nzspokes]

If that's the case, you're a sirry irriot.:innocent:

Best current post on KB. :laugh:

[Str8 Jacket]

Brp, you sir, are a fuckwit.

I'm not at all sure how you came to that conclusion..... ;)