Shirriffs and K Tech?

[gixerracer]

Cant wait to try the new K tech stuff anyone else out there used it yet o in racing conditions?

[Drew]

Who's the agent?

[codgyoleracer]

Test EVERYTHING i say, and i have heard good things (as i am sure you have Craig)

[gixerracer]

Who's the agent?

According to the Ktech website some one Called Dukic preformance I think in wellington?

[Drew]

According to the Ktech website some one Called Dukic preformance I think in wellington?"Better build quality tha Ohlins". Direct quote. I stopped listening, and could not in good conscience bring myself to try the gear on principle.

[gixerracer]

"Better build quality tha Ohlins". Direct quote. I stopped listening, and could not in good conscience bring myself to try the gear on principle.

7 out of top 10 BSB bikes are on it this season and most the top 600s in bsb, Dan Staufer says the Agent is one of the best he has ever worked with as does Gareth Jones as I have spoken in depth with them both this week so I will take there word before you sorry drew:laugh:

[codgyoleracer]

Of course you have to be FAST to really "test" this stuff, - so that counts me & most of us out...................:angry:

[Kornholio]

Of course you have to be FAST to really "test" this stuff, - so that counts me & most of us out...................:angry:

....and Craig too :innocent::bleh:

[Kickaha]

....and Craig too :innocent::bleh:

Unless they're lookin for an "off road" tester

[oscarnz]

Cant wait to try the new K tech stuff anyone else out there used it yet o in racing conditions?

Andrew Forward runs it in the GSXR600 (that Ken Jones rode this year) and Andrew runs it in his ZX10 as well.
He was at the track today with both bikes, not sure if he will be there tomorrow.

[Ivan]

According to the Ktech website some one Called Dukic preformance I think in wellington?

does that mean you no longer are working with Robert?

[CHOPPA]

Cant wait to try the new K tech stuff anyone else out there used it yet o in racing conditions?

So thats why RT wants me to take his trailer???

[suzuki21]

7 out of top 10 BSB bikes are on it this season and most the top 600s in bsb, Dan Staufer says the Agent is one of the best he has ever worked with as does Gareth Jones as I have spoken in depth with them both this week so I will take there word before you sorry drew:laugh:

Gareth dropped 1 1/2 secs at the Nuburgring on his Honda with Ktech straight out of the box.

[gixerracer]

Gareth dropped 1 1/2 secs at the Nuburgring on his Honda with Ktech straight out of the box.

Thats because his bike was setup like shit and I am not saying that about mine. If i went 1.5 seconds a lap faster i would be super surprised and also the champ haha

[Maido]

John Rossi has used it for the last few years. He tinkers alot with it to and has some good results.

[suzuki21]

Thats because his bike was setup like shit and I am not saying that about mine. If i went 1.5 seconds a lap faster i would be super surprised and also the champ haha

Of course you wouldnt, you arent as fast as Gareth.:laugh:

[gixerracer]

Of course you wouldnt, you arent as fast as Gareth.:laugh:

How many national titles has he won again? I beg to differ with you Steve:bleh:

[discodan]

I rode Andrew Forwards GSXR600 with K-Tech and was impressed with it.

I haven't used Ohlins cartridges before so I can't compare them but for what it's worth the braking was unbelievably good and also very good over the sharp bumps at Manfeild such as through turn 2 and splash.

We spent the weekend setting up the bike for me and every change made the bike noticeably better and my lap times improved in every session.

Some people don't get on with Dukie and that's fine but at the end of the day, he knows how to set up a bike and K-Tech is well proven.

[Robert Taylor]

I rode Andrew Forwards GSXR600 with K-Tech and was impressed with it.

I haven't used Ohlins cartridges before so I can't compare them but for what it's worth the braking was unbelievably good and also very good over the sharp bumps at Manfeild such as through turn 2 and splash.

We spent the weekend setting up the bike for me and every change made the bike noticeably better and my lap times improved in every session.

Some people don't get on with Dukie and that's fine but at the end of the day, he knows how to set up a bike and K-Tech is well proven.

So how do you explain the length of the back straight ( and some ) deficit to the winning rider in your class after only 6-8 laps? The winning rider being on Ohlins and a selection of worn tyres all weekend. I noted that at one point you were out on new tyres.
Have you checked out WSS600 Monza results? Ohlins 1,2,3.
K-Tech is indeed a very good product but it is not the holy grail bolt in and go that its painted up to be, it still needs work ( just like Ohlins ) and already we have recieved work from customers disenchanted with the service and ( no aplogies for saying this ) the brazen bullshit.
What I particularly have issue with is where is the distinction between bullshit and outright brazen lies?
As Maido correctly pointed out John Ross fiddles with his suspension all the time to get the best out of it. Be It Ohlins or K-Tech.

[Drew]

So how do you explain the length of the back straight ( and some ) deficit to the winning rider in your class after only 6-8 laps? The winning rider being on Ohlins and a selection of worn tyres all weekend. I noted that at one point you were out on new tyres.
Have you checked out WSS600 Monza results? Ohlins 1,2,3.
K-Tech is indeed a very good product but it is not the holy grail bolt in and go that its painted up to be, it still needs work ( just like Ohlins ) and already we have recieved work from customers disenchanted with the service and ( no aplogies for saying this ) the brazen bullshit.
What I particularly have issue with is where is the distinction between bullshit and outright brazen lies?
As Maido correctly pointed out John Ross fiddles with his suspension all the time to get the best out of it. Be It Ohlins or K-Tech.

Has anyone else noticed, that Mr King's signature on the KSS logo looks like a penis?

[Robert Taylor]

Has anyone else noticed, that Mr King's signature on the KSS logo looks like a penis?

But a fast one!

[Robert Taylor]

7 out of top 10 BSB bikes are on it this season and most the top 600s in bsb, Dan Staufer says the Agent is one of the best he has ever worked with as does Gareth Jones as I have spoken in depth with them both this week so I will take there word before you sorry drew:laugh:

So how did Dan justify his poor race form at Taupo nationals? Was the bike really that slow prior to having ''1 and a half seconds per lap '' bolted in?

Did he run a stock rear shock because it was ''better'' than aftermarket options available to him incl K-Tech?

[Tony.OK]

Has anyone else noticed, that Mr King's signature on the KSS logo looks like a penis?

Your drugs must be better than mine..................all I see is a Kiwi logo :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Is Stoner using K-Tech? Cause man he's fast! Faster even than that Lorenzo chap...

[Punchy]

Is Stoner using K-Tech? Cause man he's fast! Faster even than that Lorenzo chap...

Pretty sure he is using Gay-Tech :-D

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pretty sure he is using Gay-Tech :-D

Pretty sure you've got the wrong guy. Stoner has a minter wife and a child. The guy that's riding Stoners old bike is riding it like a poof, has a boyfriend and no children.:bleh:

[Drew]

Your drugs must be better than mine..................all I see is a Kiwi logo :laugh:I thought it was a scribbled signature, but having had the kiwi pointed out, I can see that now.

[avgas]

Gareth dropped 1 1/2 secs at the Nuburgring on his Honda with Ktech straight out of the box.
Is that good on an 7-8 minute lap?
I imagine you could get that gain by purely farting half-way round.

[discodan]

So how do you explain the length of the back straight ( and some ) deficit to the winning rider in your class after only 6-8 laps? The winning rider being on Ohlins and a selection of worn tyres all weekend. I noted that at one point you were out on new tyres.
Have you checked out WSS600 Monza results? Ohlins 1,2,3.
K-Tech is indeed a very good product but it is not the holy grail bolt in and go that its painted up to be, it still needs work ( just like Ohlins ) and already we have recieved work from customers disenchanted with the service and ( no aplogies for saying this ) the brazen bullshit.
What I particularly have issue with is where is the distinction between bullshit and outright brazen lies?
As Maido correctly pointed out John Ross fiddles with his suspension all the time to get the best out of it. Be It Ohlins or K-Tech.

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Took you 30 minutes this time, getting a bit slow there old fella?

Jaden has had a year to set that bike up and he just rode better than me. Could he go just as quick on K-Tech? Probably, maybe he could go quicker.
Slag off the competition as much as you want but it only reflects badly on you.

[Robert Taylor]

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Took you 30 minutes this time, getting a bit slow there old fella?

Jaden has had a year to set that bike up and he just rode better than me. Could he go just as quick on K-Tech? Probably, maybe he could go quicker.
Slag off the competition as much as you want but it only reflects badly on you.

Maybe Im busy earning a living.......................

Take note that I havent slagged off the product , quite the opposite. Like all products it requires credible and responsive backup and I really resent the marketing folly that is going on ''youll never have to revalve'' That is proving to not be the case and technicians that I am in contact with overseas also confirm that.

Jadens bike is a work in progress and has only been in Supersport form for a very short time as he missed most of the Nationals, we are still messing with settings and geometry. The bike you are riding has had a lot more time on track but Im struggling to understand that it should be 1 and a half seconds per lap slower than what you were doing if you removed K-TEch and fitted something else???????????? Thats a marketing line that I have heard often. Please explain??????

[CHOPPA]

Is that good on an 7-8 minute lap?
I imagine you could get that gain by purely farting half-way round.

I dont think they run the full ring....

[discodan]

Maybe Im busy earning a living.......................

Take note that I havent slagged off the product , quite the opposite. Like all products it requires credible and responsive backup and I really resent the marketing folly that is going on ''youll never have to revalve'' That is proving to not be the case and technicians that I am in contact with overseas also confirm that.

Jadens bike is a work in progress and has only been in Supersport form for a very short time as he missed most of the Nationals, we are still messing with settings and geometry. The bike you are riding has had a lot more time on track but Im struggling to understand that it should be 1 and a half seconds per lap slower than what you were doing if you removed K-TEch and fitted something else???????????? Thats a marketing line that I have heard often. Please explain??????

No I very much doubt that one suspension brand is 1.5 seconds faster than another. But if one gave you better feel than the other then the added confidence could allow you to push harder and gain 1.5 seconds.

That reminds me of all the 'marketing lines' you gave me when I was testing your top secret protwin emulators - Something along the lines of "you'll be in the 12s for sure!" :laugh:

[Robert Taylor]

No I very much doubt that one suspension brand is 1.5 seconds faster than another. But if one gave you better feel than the other then the added confidence could allow you to push harder and gain 1.5 seconds.

That reminds me of all the 'marketing lines' you gave me when I was testing your top secret protwin emulators - Something along the lines of "you'll be in the 12s for sure!" :laugh:

Thankyou for publicly belying a confidence and of course you never committed long term to realise the lap time potential. ( The emulators are legal according to the rules ) Nor were you on PAYING contract, do you relaise it costs somebody somewhere for bikes to go round race tracks in circles?

I am heartened that for the benefit of Suzuki 21 ( Steve Sangster ) you realise that 1 and a half seconds would only be attainable if the first suspension setup was particularly bad. Craig concurs with that. Were we to believe Steves line of thinking Jaden would have been doing mid 5s at Manfield on Sunday. He did something like a 7.5 or 6 on worn tyres. So about half a second or maybe a touch more with new boots, another one and a half with ''the second coming of Christ'' ( or so we are led to believe ) YEAH RIGHT....

World Supersport 600 is a real indicator, visibly present are Ohlins. K-Tech, BiTubo and works Showa. Maybe a couple of other players. On any given day the setup with any given rider will significantly help to determine the end result. BiTubo was on the winning R6 last year and they actually werent that happy with it ( I know the engine tuner ) Currently Sofoglu has a 10 point lead and he is on the Swedish stuff. Last night the K-Tech guys were nowhere. Its all swings and roundabouts VERY dependent on quality of backup service.

Cant state it any fairer than that.................

[codgyoleracer]

I agree that finding that perfect "window of set up" - is actually never achievable, as your last fastest ever lap is instantly the target to beat. Good suspension, tyres, geometry, mental approach, engine managment, engine performance are only the tip of the ice-berg in respect to what it takes for everythimng to be close to "just right" & in balance with each other. (not an easy feat)
Personally i believe having two obviously world class products available will keep the market honest and the inuendo and shit-slinging that comes with that at the track adds a bit of spice to our sport!
IMO , RT & KD both have their strengths and both have their weaknesses, - Its up to the rider to decide which methodoligy gives them the most confidence, - I see riders asking these guys to be like personal psychologists a lot of the time (they are not psychologists)I for one get on with both if them and enjoy (in different ways) their company, - I doubt that either of them would disagree about testing all sorts of oposing ideas in the off season to chase the gods of speed is a good idea, and if Craig "Jells" with the style of the product no-one would blame him for giving it a go (even RT i am sure).

[discodan]

I agree that finding that perfect "window of set up" - is actually never achievable, as your last fastest ever lap is instantly the target to beat. Good suspension, tyres, geometry, mental approach, engine managment, engine performance are only the tip of the ice-berg in respect to what it takes for everythimng to be close to "just right" & in balance with each other. (not an easy feat)
Personally i believe having two obviously world class products available will keep the market honest and the inuendo and shit-slinging that comes with that at the track adds a bit of spice to our sport!
IMO , RT & KD both have their strengths and both have their weaknesses, - Its up to the rider to decide which methodoligy gives them the most confidence, - I see riders asking these guys to be like personal psychologists a lot of the time (they are not psychologists)I for one get on with both if them and enjoy (in different ways) their company, - I doubt that either of them would disagree about testing all sorts of oposing ideas in the off season to chase the gods of speed is a good idea, and if Craig "Jells" with the style of the product no-one would blame him for giving it a go (even RT i am sure).

Come on Glen, get off the fence and join us in the mud. It's fun!

[Robert Taylor]

I agree that finding that perfect "window of set up" - is actually never achievable, as your last fastest ever lap is instantly the target to beat. Good suspension, tyres, geometry, mental approach, engine managment, engine performance are only the tip of the ice-berg in respect to what it takes for everythimng to be close to "just right" & in balance with each other. (not an easy feat)
Personally i believe having two obviously world class products available will keep the market honest and the inuendo and shit-slinging that comes with that at the track adds a bit of spice to our sport!
IMO , RT & KD both have their strengths and both have their weaknesses, - Its up to the rider to decide which methodoligy gives them the most confidence, - I see riders asking these guys to be like personal psychologists a lot of the time (they are not psychologists)I for one get on with both if them and enjoy (in different ways) their company, - I doubt that either of them would disagree about testing all sorts of oposing ideas in the off season to chase the gods of speed is a good idea, and if Craig "Jells" with the style of the product no-one would blame him for giving it a go (even RT i am sure).

Thats a very fair and balanced post Glenn, subjective and non emotive

I have no problem with the K-Tech product itself and and say it again its a GOOD PRODUCT. John Ross purchased his off a reputable and respected company and fiddles with it himself as he likes doing that sort of thing. I get on well with John , as I do with near all of my competitors as they play ethically. In fact I have very recently forwarded dyno test data to John of some K-Tech stuff we recently had to sort for a customer.

That customer like me has no time for people that he has to deal with that tell brazen lies and have done so much in their life theyd have to be at least 200 years old. Like I said before where is the line between telling to anyone that will listen huge fantasies and also lying?

One thing we noticed with the K-Tech product is that when you do a setting change its a process that takes a LOT more time than with the Ohlins stuff. This because of the very buried nature of the main shim stacks in the cartridges, requiring fork removal and cartridge removal. With the rear shock the combination of a top out spring and a bladder means that correct bladder shape at full extension is something you have to be extra attentive to. Removal of the main valving stack assembly involves a more lengthy bleed process which ideally requires a vacuum bleeder. The ability to be able to change settings very quickly is a very important consideration, unless each and every rider wants to pay to have a suspension tuner on their right arm?

[Robert Taylor]

7 out of top 10 BSB bikes are on it this season and most the top 600s in bsb, Dan Staufer says the Agent is one of the best he has ever worked with as does Gareth Jones as I have spoken in depth with them both this week so I will take there word before you sorry drew:laugh:

When you actually dig further and analyse this what has happened in the UK is that K-Tech have bought their way into that market. They have prostituted themselves on price with such ridiculously slender margins it just doesnt make commercial sense. Its clear that this same mentality is happening here. Pricing must be fair and reasonable for any product but not such that it makes commercial survival of the seller tenuous. Nor should there be dutch auctions.
As I understand it the current BSB Superbike championship is held by a rider who used Ohlins.
I think riders such as Nick Cole may have a quite different perspective, do you not recall the very public debacle such as occured at Timaru last year? Disinterest, laziness and arrogance spring to mind as factors why they had a torrid time with bike setup that season.

[Robert Taylor]

Come on Glen, get off the fence and join us in the mud. It's fun!

Are you the very same Daniel Kempthorne that was decrying the cost of racing in this very forum several months back?
Now that you have a well heeled benefactor that will doubtless pick up the tab on a lot of your racing will you continue with that same line of thinking and elaborate in print?

[wayne]

the fun in games

[Robert Taylor]

the fun in games

No games Wayne, you also witnessed the shameful debacle at Timaru and doubtless that reinforced your similiar lack of respect for the perpetrator of Nicks majorly bad bike setup issues. Realistically anyone should be put off for life.

[codgyoleracer]

Come on Glen, get off the fence and join us in the mud. It's fun!

HaHa, mud wrestling in full leathers ?, not quite kinky enough for me........... :-)

If had to be totally honest, - I suspect that one brand may be suited to some tracks than the other & vice-versa......., So to have your cake and eat it and assuming the someone had the time and $ to ascertain the best set up of each brand at each track (I:E enough testing time pre-season at every nationals track + 4 sets of forks / shocks) then Best you retire from your day job - and get on with being a professional motorcycle racer!

Dreams are free Dan ! ........ I wish that was my life too !.................But alas i must earn actual money to keep the wife in the comfortable lifestyle she has become used to (XFR Jaguars included........)

Experience has taught that being a fence sitter requires balance.......however once you fall to one side, your commitment will be final. (for that season at least)

[Clivoris]

HaHa, mud wrestling in full leathers ?, not quite kinky enough for me........... :-)

If had to be totally honest, - I suspect that one brand may be suited to some tracks than the other & vice-versa......., So to have your cake and eat it and assuming the someone had the time and $ to ascertain the best set up of each brand at each track (I:E enough testing time pre-season at every nationals track + 4 sets of forks / shocks) then Best you retire from your day job - and get on with being a professional motorcycle racer!

Dreams are free Dan ! ........ I wish that was my life too !.................But alas i must earn actual money to keep the wife in the comfortable lifestyle she has become used to (XFR Jaguars included........)

Experience has taught that being a fence sitter requires balance.......however once you fall to one side, your commitment will be final. (for that season at least)

Bro, you are just like Yoda (and I don't just mean your ears). I haven't worked out who is Luke and Darth Vader between Kerry and Robert yet, but I'm pretty sure Spyda is Chewbacca. Dan is probably pretty enough to be Princess Leia, but I'd need to see some photo's of him in a gold bikini and wig first. :love: High definition please.

[Tony.OK]

but I'd need to see some photo's of him in a gold bikini and wig first. :love: High definition please.

Ahhh now I know why you didn't want me in your pit garage in Taupo a few years back..............too many clothes :bleh:

[Pussy]

Ahhh now I know why you didn't want me in your pit garage in Taupo a few years back..............too many clothes :bleh:

Look, mate.... there are other places that you could go on about your fetish for tights. Just sayin'.... :)

[Kiwi Graham]

HaHa, mud wrestling in full leathers ?, not quite kinky enough for me........... :-)

If had to be totally honest, - I suspect that one brand may be suited to some tracks than the other & vice-versa......., So to have your cake and eat it and assuming the someone had the time and $ to ascertain the best set up of each brand at each track (I:E enough testing time pre-season at every nationals track + 4 sets of forks / shocks) then Best you retire from your day job - and get on with being a professional motorcycle racer!

Dreams are free Dan ! ........ I wish that was my life too !.................But alas i must earn actual money to keep the wife in the comfortable lifestyle she has become used to (XFR Jaguars included........)

Experience has taught that being a fence sitter requires balance.......however once you fall to one side, your commitment will be final. (for that season at least)

Bro, a little bird has told me your fence is supercharged now :msn-wink:

[Robert Taylor]

HaHa, mud wrestling in full leathers ?, not quite kinky enough for me........... :-)

If had to be totally honest, - I suspect that one brand may be suited to some tracks than the other & vice-versa......., So to have your cake and eat it and assuming the someone had the time and $ to ascertain the best set up of each brand at each track (I:E enough testing time pre-season at every nationals track + 4 sets of forks / shocks) then Best you retire from your day job - and get on with being a professional motorcycle racer!

Dreams are free Dan ! ........ I wish that was my life too !.................But alas i must earn actual money to keep the wife in the comfortable lifestyle she has become used to (XFR Jaguars included........)

Experience has taught that being a fence sitter requires balance.......however once you fall to one side, your commitment will be final. (for that season at least)

Glenn, as you know all brands of high end aftermarket shocks can be sprung and valved to suit each track, conditions, tyres and rider style etc. Add in another dynamic of a box of alternative top out springs in varying lengths and rates.
Whether this gets done is dependent on the interest of the rider in doing so ( in finding an extra tenth here and there ) and the work ethic of the suspension tuner ( or capacity to do so )
A suspension unit does not exist that can simply have just the external clickers twisted to be the very best it can be for all scenarios. Anyone that markets that is being very economical with the truth. People that have ridden on tracks as diverse as Pukekohe and Teretonga will know that well.
Its also worth noting that the twin tube low displacement design that Ohlins started with the TTX range ( although twin tube in its crudest form is nothing new ) is being embraced more and more. For example K-Tech with its DDS, Bitubo and now Showa ( Sholins ! )

[codgyoleracer]

Ahhh now I know why you didn't want me in your pit garage in Taupo a few years back..............too many clothes :bleh:

Nah, that was because i didnt want anyone in there looking prettier than me ......... (unfortunatley thats the majority of the worlds population) :-)

[codgyoleracer]

Bro, a little bird has told me your fence is supercharged now :msn-wink:

You'll recognise one of those then ?

263362

[Crasherfromwayback]

You'll recognise one of those then ?



Awesome. I had an supercharged XJR for years and loved it. What's that beast go like Mr?

[codgyoleracer]

Awesome. I had an supercharged XJR for years and loved it. What's that beast go like Mr?

Goes like any 5.0 litre, 32valve, V8, Supercharged vehicle should........... All in surreal silence of course, with just a hint of SC whine :-)

http://youtu.be/fa5ivpJwmIQ

[wayne]

No games Wayne, you also witnessed the shameful debacle at Timaru and doubtless that reinforced your similiar lack of respect for the perpetrator of Nicks majorly bad bike setup issues. Realistically anyone should be put off for life.

some people saw that before timaru, we'll come to you before him thats a promise

[Crasherfromwayback]

Goes like any 5.0 litre, 32valve, V8, Supercharged vehicle should........... All in surreal silence of course, with just a hint of SC whine :-)

http://youtu.be/fa5ivpJwmIQ

Sounds awesome! Mine was only the six, but still very nice to drive. Very jealous!!!

[Kiwi Graham]

You'll recognise one of those then ?

263362

Mmm very nice, I've been to the toy shop too
263367

[slowpoke]

Mmm very nice, I've been to the toy shop too
263367

Vill you idyot colonials neffer learn: zee finest forms hoff conveyance come from zee ozzer side hoff zee ditch! Zoes verdamt Englander "horses" all come from zee Shetland Islands and don't understant zee verd "Schnell!"

Regarding Craig: goodonya mate. Absolutely nothing against you and your great service Robert, 'cos lets face it the Stroud or Bugden/KSS/RCM combo have set the standard in recent memory. But it's that ol' mantra: if you wanna go as fast as everybody else do what they are doing; if you wanna go faster do something different.

[Tony.OK]

Vill you idyot colonials neffer learn: zee finest forms hoff conveyance come from zee ozzer side hoff zee ditch! Zoes verdamt Englander "horses" all come from zee Shetland Islands and don't understant zee verd "Schnell!"

Regarding Craig: goodonya mate. Absolutely nothing against you and your great service Robert, 'cos lets face it the Stroud or Bugden/KSS/RCM combo have set the standard in recent memory. But it's that ol' mantra: if you wanna go as fast as everybody else do what they are doing; if you wanna go faster do something different.

You've changed now ya own that fancy VW mate.............:laugh:

[Robert Taylor]

Of course Craig and any riders are free to choose any suspension components they like. Theres a number of high quality aftermarket options out there i.e Ohlins, Penske, Race Tech, BiTubo, WP, K-Tech, works Showa and maybe some other stuff on the horizon. Some of the YSS stuff is a good baseline as well and it just needs someone to work with it and the local distributor is enthusiastic to do so. When making a choice of suspension its totally fair to say that its not only about the initial purchase price and perceived performance its also about the level of backup and the capacity to back it up. There are a LOT of boxes to tick.

For our business I am lucky to have Dennis Shaw working with me as he is highly capable and during the last season he was almost totally responsible for Craigs setup help and did an excellent job. KSS is more than about one person and is totally focused on suspension. Indeed at Taupo Craig looked very good, it all clicked for him. Unashamedly I would say that overall we provide the best backup available in NZ. Of course it could be a lot better again but the economic reality means that its just not viable to have more than two suspension technicians running around when also a lot of the work is a complimentary service. But at all times we endeavour to provide the best possible service within severe time constraints. I know at times we get rubbished for having suspension units apart all the time but that is because we are extremely anal about pushing for better and better settings . Our new suspension dyno is assisting no end and more about that in a forthcoming thread. We will help anyone that asks, irrespective of what level of machinery and suspension. We are also proud that our marketing philosophy is based on VALUE and backup, we dont subscribe to in your face hard sell.

At times Im guilty of opening my mouth too far by saying things that are always thought but not dared to be placed in print, that is arguably a ''failing'' and I inherited that from my mother. Maybe also from Shaun Harris! For example bringing it to peoples attention how an industry competitor registered CKT ( our previous trading name ) as a domain name, not technically illegal but certainly falling into a gutter level of ''skulduggery'' . I make no apologies whatsover for having no time for such silly games ,insincerity, hypocrisy, economies with the truth, fantastic but clearly untrue stories or any other human failings.

Its a little perplexing why Craig announced on this forum that he intended to test another suspension brand. I have never had a cross word with him and its a mystery why the phone was not picked up as a courtesy? ''Hey thanks a whole heap for your guys help in assisting me to several championships over the years. Thanks also for opening a door for me at Honda when I didnt have a ride and then again at Suzuki. I may as well tell you that I intend to test another suspension product and Ive been offered an insane price.'' Something in that vein is far nicer than hearing it secondhand from another customer, ''hey have you seen the thread on KB?"

Is any long term component and service provider being unreasonable in expecting such a simple courtesy communication? Or am I just being old fashioned? Im prepared to give Craig the benefit of the doubt as an oversight but I know that many component suppliers would say nothing, but would then unfavourably REMEMBER if the wheel turned again, which it has a habit of doing.

I have vilified Daniel Kempthorne for a couple of things that I take issue with. We did bits and pieces for Daniel over a number of years and then one day he picked up the phone, thanked us for all of our efforts and informed that he was going to use another suspension source. He did that right and all credit to him for that! Candidly he also did us a bit of a favour as we were a little stretched. Its important for all competitors to follow a decent etiquette of communication.

The door is always open and Craig you still owe me that box of red wine!

[suzuki21]

I guess you are pissed that Craig wants to try something different? Maybe he should keep his girls at the same school for ever as well.

[suzuki21]

Just a queery Robert, why are you upset with Craig? He isnt contracted to anyone but Jo and his girls. Dont call invoicing manufacturers supported riders "help", it is work.

[Robert Taylor]

Just a queery Robert, why are you upset with Craig? He isnt contracted to anyone but Jo and his girls. Dont call invoicing manufacturers supported riders "help", it is work.

Im only a touch miffed at the manner in which I found out, my post makes that reasonably clear. And in fact it will do our sanity no harm to perhaps have a smaller workload. Yes we have contracts for some distributor ( not manufacturer ) supported riders. But the return from it is very marginal, especially when you take into account downtime from work ( where we could charge out a lot more ) and the fact we also help a LOT of everyday racers as a complimentary service.
If suspension tuners were charging for every little service ( as happens in the States and parts of Europe ) then practically no-one would be able to afford it, given the largely meagre incomes in this country. Hopefully this makes sense.

[suzuki21]

Im only a touch miffed at the manner in which I found out, my post makes that reasonably clear. And in fact it will do our sanity no harm to perhaps have a smaller workload. Yes we have contracts for some distributor ( not manufacturer ) supported riders. But the return from it is very marginal, especially when you take into account downtime from work ( where we could charge out a lot more ) and the fact we also help a LOT of everyday racers as a complimentary service.
If suspension tuners were charging for every little service ( as happens in the States and parts of Europe ) then practically no-one would be able to afford it, given the largely meagre incomes in this country. Hopefully this makes sense.

Craig would be classed as a customer to Ohlins, his choice is his

[Robert Taylor]

Craig would be classed as a customer to Ohlins, his choice is his

Technically, every top rider requires a dedicated suspension technician, irrespective of brand used. Thats just not possible, but I know that each top rider would like to keep a suspension tech to themselves. At various times different riders on different machines with different suspension brands either struggled a little or went really well.
Frankly, in answering for Dennis and myself this is a stressful occupation during the Nationals, its certainly not a walk in the park. We look with envy at the very visible guys in MotoGP / WSBK wearing Ohlins shirts. In most cases each of these techs have only two riders at most to look after.

[jellywrestler]

Unashamedly I would say that overall we provide the best backup available in NZ. Carmen had that record for quite a few years I'm told...
Did you save this little story especially for post number 56 or is that a simple coincidence?

[Mental Trousers]

The technical differences of each brand are pretty much irrelevant in this country cos there's only one thing that dictates where 90% of people go for their suspension - the personality of the distributor!!

[worm13]

The technical differences of each brand are pretty much irrelevant in this country cos there's only one thing that dictates where 90% of people go for their suspension - the personality of the distributor!!

That and what the on going support is gonna be like and if they have proven that in the past... I dont wanna pay thousands of dollars for a unit that Im lost with setup and the dealer is less then intrested in helping me out or explain the ins and outs of what ive got, In all honesty even of RT went to some chinesse thing id follow his product purely for the support that he gives (and I know he wouldnt sink that low)

[Crasherfromwayback]

I've had Robert fully recondition a vintage set of Ohlins shocks for me, they're for Rachel's 79 CR250 Elsinore. The cost me fuck all on Ebay, but required a shitload doing to them to make them usable. I could've sprung (see what I did there) for a new set, but I'm into period correct shit.

I'm looking forward to getting them on her bike and seeing how they go.

I'll report back.

[gixerracer]

Of course Craig and any riders are free to choose any suspension components they like. Theres a number of high quality aftermarket options out there i.e Ohlins, Penske, Race Tech, BiTubo, WP, K-Tech, works Showa and maybe some other stuff on the horizon. Some of the YSS stuff is a good baseline as well and it just needs someone to work with it and the local distributor is enthusiastic to do so. When making a choice of suspension its totally fair to say that its not only about the initial purchase price and perceived performance its also about the level of backup and the capacity to back it up. There are a LOT of boxes to tick.

For our business I am lucky to have Dennis Shaw working with me as he is highly capable and during the last season he was almost totally responsible for Craigs setup help and did an excellent job. KSS is more than about one person and is totally focused on suspension. Indeed at Taupo Craig looked very good, it all clicked for him. Unashamedly I would say that overall we provide the best backup available in NZ. Of course it could be a lot better again but the economic reality means that its just not viable to have more than two suspension technicians running around when also a lot of the work is a complimentary service. But at all times we endeavour to provide the best possible service within severe time constraints. I know at times we get rubbished for having suspension units apart all the time but that is because we are extremely anal about pushing for better and better settings . Our new suspension dyno is assisting no end and more about that in a forthcoming thread. We will help anyone that asks, irrespective of what level of machinery and suspension. We are also proud that our marketing philosophy is based on VALUE and backup, we dont subscribe to in your face hard sell.

At times Im guilty of opening my mouth too far by saying things that are always thought but not dared to be placed in print, that is arguably a ''failing'' and I inherited that from my mother. Maybe also from Shaun Harris! For example bringing it to peoples attention how an industry competitor registered CKT ( our previous trading name ) as a domain name, not technically illegal but certainly falling into a gutter level of ''skulduggery'' . I make no apologies whatsover for having no time for such silly games ,insincerity, hypocrisy, economies with the truth, fantastic but clearly untrue stories or any other human failings.

Its a little perplexing why Craig announced on this forum that he intended to test another suspension brand. I have never had a cross word with him and its a mystery why the phone was not picked up as a courtesy? ''Hey thanks a whole heap for your guys help in assisting me to several championships over the years. Thanks also for opening a door for me at Honda when I didnt have a ride and then again at Suzuki. I may as well tell you that I intend to test another suspension product and Ive been offered an insane price.'' Something in that vein is far nicer than hearing it secondhand from another customer, ''hey have you seen the thread on KB?"

Is any long term component and service provider being unreasonable in expecting such a simple courtesy communication? Or am I just being old fashioned? Im prepared to give Craig the benefit of the doubt as an oversight but I know that many component suppliers would say nothing, but would then unfavourably REMEMBER if the wheel turned again, which it has a habit of doing.

I have vilified Daniel Kempthorne for a couple of things that I take issue with. We did bits and pieces for Daniel over a number of years and then one day he picked up the phone, thanked us for all of our efforts and informed that he was going to use another suspension source. He did that right and all credit to him for that! Candidly he also did us a bit of a favour as we were a little stretched. Its important for all competitors to follow a decent etiquette of communication.

The door is always open and Craig you still owe me that box of red wine!

Dude first of all you need to get your ego in check.
Read the post it said I cant wait to T E S T the product nowhere did I say anything about running it next season! I asked Suzuki whom my contract is with and they said I can do what I like as we are not contracted so I asked the correct people as far as I am concerned. I have told you plenty of times I wanted to try it so why you are over reacting is a bit past me. Dont be affraid of competition it's healty and if Ohlins and you are as good as you say then you simply have nothin to worrie about do you?
As for getting me my rides and championships ( as you claim) im sure my talent had nothing to do with it, thanks for the spade work but what you dont realise is most of it was under way well before your involvement but what ever makes you feel better.

Im sure your wine will turn up one day soon.

[Robert Taylor]

Dude first of all you need to get your ego in check.
Read the post it said I cant wait to T E S T the product nowhere did I say anything about running it next season! I asked Suzuki whom my contract is with and they said I can do what I like as we are not contracted so I asked the correct people as far as I am concerned. I have told you plenty of times I wanted to try it so why you are over reacting is a bit past me. Dont be affraid of competition it's healty and if Ohlins and you are as good as you say then you simply have nothin to worrie about do you?
As for getting me my rides and championships ( as you claim) im sure my talent had nothing to do with it, thanks for the spade work but what you dont realise is most of it was under way well before your involvement but what ever makes you feel better.

Im sure your wine will turn up one day soon.

This is not the place for such talk which is what I was very clearly driving at and of course you had every opportunity to inform me prior to posting on a site that can ( seemingly ) be full of dispossessed Peyton Place addicts. ( for those old enough to remember )
I clearly recall doing an enormous amount of work to assist in your championships and street races when you were on the boil and also ringing two respective manufacturers to assist in getting you a ride when prospects looked bleak. At least one in the first instance.
Maybe you told Dennis you wanted to test an alternative brand but certainly i dont recall a repetitive desire to do so. My alzheimers is not in an advanced state just yet! And Im more than happy to agree to disagree on who did what and when, its absolutely nothing that Id lose sleep over!
As you will see from my long post there is no malice, just a desire that communication would have been ideal. Ego, no. Just a desire that people are clear, true to each other and to themselves.

[scracha]

Your drugs must be better than mine..................all I see is a Kiwi logo :laugh:

No...I must admit to having saw a penis there too.

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[Edbear]

This thread shows why face-to-face is always best. In person you can read the other's face and hear the inflection in their speech, as well as being able to respond much more readily.

The reality is that the main characters here are good people with a lot of respect and mana in the industry. I know Robert and Craig and have a great deal of time for them both, their skill and dedication not only to their trade but to the sport. They both spend time assisting others for nix and give as much as they get from the motor racing community.

We aren't all really good at putting words to "paper" or into verbal speech and need to be understanding of the motives and character of those we integrate with, giving the benefit of the doubt wherever possible. Most people in general are genuine and mean well without malice and most misunderstandings are exactly that, misunderstandings.

Knowledge and learning are always valuable and knowing the other brands for comaprison is never a bad thing as even if not intending to use another brand, knowledge of it may help improve the way you use your preferred brand. Robert is correct in that the difference is really about the service you receive and whom you feel most comfortable with. In the end the difference is more about the rider's ability to get the best from his machinery as evidenced by noted racer's who seem to be able to go faster than others on the same bike.

Rider feedback is critical and those riders who can give the techs good feedback are going to get more out of the product and the technician than one who struggles to accurately define the issue. Also helpful is having someone watch your lap and tell you what they see.

[crazy man]

That and what the on going support is gonna be like and if they have proven that in the past... I dont wanna pay thousands of dollars for a unit that Im lost with setup and the dealer is less then intrested in helping me out or explain the ins and outs of what ive got, In all honesty even of RT went to some chinesse thing id follow his product purely for the support that he gives (and I know he wouldnt sink that low)all you need is for me to control your throttle and brakes of a rc unit and then you will be fast

[worm13]

all you need is for me to control your throttle and brakes of a rc unit and then you will be fast

Sorry im not mental just dumb... theres a difference!

[crazy man]

Sorry im not mental just dumb... theres a difference!what about crazy (-;

[Ivan]

not sucking up to anyone as im no longer involved in racing (at road level) and was never a fast front runner but when me and my brother raced we only used 3 people to set up our suspension on race bikes Robert and Dennis and Shaun harris as he was working with my brother at the time,

I was mid field to the rear and had no chance of becoming a pro but the other said "technician" put me off by his bullshit storys I didnt want to trust my life in the hands of someone who was to busy trying to tell me about his days as a 500gp racer running his whole setup of a sun dial

now Im not picking at craig either I like craig and my comment has nothing to do with him or testing the other product, this was just a thank you to Robert for helping us out over the years even tho he knew as well as I did i wouldnt be challenging for the win and if I returned to road racing I would return straight back to him

[Rcktfsh]

I've had Robert fully recondition a vintage set of Ohlins shocks for me, they're for Rachel's 79 CR250 Elsinore. The cost me fuck all on Ebay, but required a shitload doing to them to make them usable. I could've sprung (see what I did there) for a new set, but I'm into period correct shit.

I'm looking forward to getting them on her bike and seeing how they go.

I'll report back.

Yep Dennis just dropped of what was a very tired and old Ohlins I bought on ebay for the FZR, now looking new rebuilt with new internals top out spring ride height adjuster etc at very reasonable price. Putting aside RT's dispicable political views and kinky sexual desires for a threesome involving Margeret Thatcher, John Key, himself and a selection of SS uniforms theres really only one choice if you want suspension work done.

[jellywrestler]

Putting aside RT's dispicable political views and kinky sexual desires for a threesome involving Margeret Thatcher, John Key, himself and a selection of SS uniforms . That comes from living so close to Inglewood I think

[Mental Trousers]

Nah, he used to live in Hawera but he couldn't lose all of those learned habits eh.

[cs363]

Yep Dennis just dropped of what was a very tired and old Ohlins I bought on ebay for the FZR, now looking new rebuilt with new internals top out spring ride height adjuster etc at very reasonable price. Putting aside RT's dispicable political views and kinky sexual desires for a threesome involving Margeret Thatcher, John Key, himself and a selection of SS uniforms theres really only one choice if you want suspension work done.

Should have left it as it was, it would have been a perfect match to the very tired and old rider.... :bleh:

Also, you are incorrect regarding RT's kinky sexual desires - the threesome would involve Margaret Thatcher, Enoch Powell and himself and if extended to a foursome probably Max Mosley (or his father). The latter two would obviously provide their own uniforms.

I feel slightly ill now....

[merv]

So what is the latest tally on how many championships bikes with RT tuned suspension have won compared to those with suspension tuned by the other bloke in say the last 10 years?

Just asking like!

[Drew]

So what is the latest tally on how many championships bikes with RT tuned suspension have won compared to those with suspension tuned by the other bloke in say the last 10 years?

Just asking like!To my knowledge, Kerry has only been doing race suspension tuning for about five years.

Why is no one naming who they are talking about? He's quite a smart bloke, he can figure it out ya know?

[suzuki21]

So what is the latest tally on how many championships bikes with RT tuned suspension have won compared to those with suspension tuned by the other bloke in say the last 10 years?

Just asking like!

That is fair, but is that like saying I would score any chick in NZ if I was the only man left alive? Who does Reds suspemnsion by the way?

[Robert Taylor]

That is fair, but is that like saying I would score any chick in NZ if I was the only man left alive? Who does Reds suspemnsion by the way?

We build the basic units for Robbie at the start of the season, Peter tunes it and we carry out bits and pieces as requested through the season, including help with the odd setting change. We are contracted by Suzuki for same.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Beautiful work on Rachel's vintage shocks thanks Robert! They'll look awesome on her immaculate CR!!!

I'll get her to post some picks once she's mounted me. Sorry, them.

[Robert Taylor]

So what is the latest tally on how many championships bikes with RT tuned suspension have won compared to those with suspension tuned by the other bloke in say the last 10 years?

Just asking like!

Actually Merv its not neccessarily about winning championships, although thats always a bonus. We get a big kick out of helping ''everyday'' road racers who will likely never compete at the highest levels or dont aspire to do the National champs etc.

In speaking for our own company about 60-70% of our work is improving suspension for everyday road riders. Riders that want much better ride quality but also much more chassis control and composure. That may involve changing rear shocks to Ohlins or Race Tech kitting the stock shocks and forks or where a decent result can be attained simply revalving the stock pistons.

We do a certain amount of dirtbike work and also build a number of race car shocks every year. Road racing looks like its a major component of what we do but in fact its not, its really a sideshow. Albeit one that is quite consuming for a couple of months every year.

Flash back about 15-20 years and the ''setting window'' was quite wide. The tyres were a lot more forgiving as they werent as close in construction as a true race tyre ( perhaps ) or werent as narrow focused and temperature sensitive. Back to the present and we have tyres on 600s and 1000s that are extremely sensitive to setup and ambient and track temperature shift. Chassis geometry setup and weight transfer is also extremely finely balanced. Given all that the reality is that because we are all weekend racers and there isnt a huge number of skilled and highly experienced suspension technicians running around then we often have a recipe for frustration. Ideally there should be no more than 2 bikes for one suspension engineer. Of course there is also a cost involved because there is a cost in getting there and being there. And if all parties are honest this issue is applicable to all suspension brands, there is no holy grail.

You may test a different brand or respec of whatever you are currently running at a certain track under certain conditions and proclaim this is awesome! But testing on one track is not foolproof as every track requires a differing setup. We had some tyre tear issues at the Teretonga round on a couple of bikes and we were struggling to sort it, at the same time we noticed that John Ross was having protracted tyre problems on his BMW S1000RR. So tyre tear doesnt discriminate about what suspension product you are using.

And then there is testing of different brands of tyre. Really it requires a skilled suspension engineer to be on hand to respec the suspension to suit the differing energy that differing tyre brands put into it.A racer during the Nats had continuous issues with tyres and of course suspension was something that was being questioned. It turned out that his tyre pressure gauge was inaccurate by 7 psi...

Being at a race meeting and having to constantly look after 6-7 bikes each ( thats what Dennis and I did during the Nats ) and then field constant questions from other riders whilst you have a head full of those 6-7 bikes is by no means a walk in the park.

[proudwanker]

Everyone can make mistakes. If my memory serves me correct Craig had issues last year with his clip ons pinching the fork tubes. From what Ive read this has happened to quite a few people. This wasnt picked up and instead many suspension changes were made.
And last year when it possibly mattered the most. His pace in ChCh was great, and then when the issue was finally found he stomped at manfield.

Dukies sure does talk shit at times, but hey he seemed to make Staufer go well. I personally think this post has turned to a load of bollox with everyone knocking everyone else. We all talk shit at some time or another. Suspension is a black art and very few people are perfect at it if anyone. I think your choice should be made by where you get your confidence from.

Myself I prefer the ohlins name. But if im honest thats the only reason, its name.

Maybe this would be better sorted in PM than a public shit fling?

[Kickaha]

Maybe this would be better sorted in PM than a public shit fling?

Piss off, where's the fun for the rest of us in that

[Crasherfromwayback]

Everyone can make mistakes.

. We all talk shit at some time or another.

I never do.

Not me!!!

[proudwanker]

I never do.

Not me!!!

Of course not, You could never be wrong ;)

[Robert Taylor]

Everyone can make mistakes. If my memory serves me correct Craig had issues last year with his clip ons pinching the fork tubes. From what Ive read this has happened to quite a few people. This wasnt picked up and instead many suspension changes were made.
And last year when it possibly mattered the most. His pace in ChCh was great, and then when the issue was finally found he stomped at manfield.

Dukies sure does talk shit at times, but hey he seemed to make Staufer go well. I personally think this post has turned to a load of bollox with everyone knocking everyone else. We all talk shit at some time or another. Suspension is a black art and very few people are perfect at it if anyone. I think your choice should be made by where you get your confidence from.

Myself I prefer the ohlins name. But if im honest thats the only reason, its name.

Maybe this would be better sorted in PM than a public shit fling?

That is correct re the clamps, the problem actually only became in your face apparent as late as the Christchurch round when the front end was lifted to screw the top caps back in. The forks stayed stuck at full closed position, this had never happened previously. Whereupon I asked him to immediately refit the stock handlebars and throw the aftermarket ones as far as possible, enunciated quite colourfully. Problem solved and instant competitiveness. I then wrote a detailed report which was forwarded onto the manufacturer of the clamps who responded by admitting that they had the same problem in the States. They hadnt the courtesy to inform anyone despite this being an issue that could be a primary cause of crashing, and probably was.

This also highlights the point that I made in my last post. When you have so many bikes to look after all at once you cannot focus on one set of issues as much as is ideal. At the South Island rounds that year I didnt have Dennis with me so had about 12-13 bikes to look after. But also plenty of other people asking for help, if I charged what it was worth Id have an impressive new vehicle like Glenn Williams has! This insane level of work turns you into a mental wreck! And as previously stated Daniel Kempthorne picked up on us being over stretched.

Note that my latter posts have been quite subjective and very candid about the issues that are faced. Its up to all personalities concerned to be totally honest about it all.

[gixerracer]

Its up to all personalities concerned to be totally honest about it all.

Yea sure does suck when people fabricate the truth especially to suit there own agenda's:corn:

[jellywrestler]

I then wrote a detailed report which was forwarded onto the manufacturer of the clamps who responded by admitting that they had the same problem in the States. They hadnt the courtesy to inform anyone despite this being an issue that could be a primary cause of crashing, and probably was.

So did you pass this letter on to MNZ as a serious safety concern and request that everyone check their handlebars?

[proudwanker]

So did you pass this letter on to MNZ as a serious safety concern and request that everyone check their handlebars?

Very good point!

[worm13]

what brand are these clip ons? please dont say renthal, ive just brought a nice set :(

[Robert Taylor]

Its up to all personalities concerned to be totally honest about it all.

Yea sure does suck when people fabricate the truth especially to suit there own agenda's:corn:

Please elaborate.

[Robert Taylor]

So did you pass this letter on to MNZ as a serious safety concern and request that everyone check their handlebars?

That is a very good point. The letter was circulated to the distributor of the product who acted straight away. No Im not going to name the product, apart from this issue its an excellent product and when asked about the issue they didnt go into denial mode, as many would. The distributor also provides an excellent overall service within the industry and Im not going to bely a trust.Even the stock handlebar clamps have to be carefully torqued as the wall thickness of these forks is very marginal and the BPF design has a sliding ( rather than fixed ) bushing on the inner tube. When getting near to full closed position this sliding bushing encroaches into the distorted area of clamped fork tube.
As happened with Craig for a considerable period of time this ''squeezing'' was in no way apparent statically in the pits. But of course that cannot simulate race track loads and the further distortions that take place. It is notable that on the latest ZX10 BPF forks the position of the sliding bushing has been moved downwards by a sizable amount so that at full closed position the bushing never enters the area that can be ''squeezed''.
Forks that can be effected by handlebar clamping and distortion issues include CBR1000RR and GSXR600/ 750 1000 BPF type.Maybe some other makes / models. Several years ago Ohlins engineer Peter Goddard ( now Melandris crew chief ) came out and ran some suspension and bike setup schools. Handlebar clamping issues was one of many he spoke about.
Generally many racers are also to blame, often handlebar clamps ( especially stock ) have alignment divots that engage into a recess into the underside of the top triple clamp. So the position of the handlebars can only arc through a few degrees and it provides some degree of safety if the handlebars come loose. Racers often knock these off to arc to another position or where aftermarket clamps dont have these ( most ) they really swing on the lockbolts so that the handlebars wont come loose. Of course they are then seriously distorting the fork tubes out of shape.

[jellywrestler]

That is a very good point. The letter was circulated to the distributor of the product who acted straight away. No Im not going to name the product, apart from this issue its an excellent product and when asked about the issue they didnt go into denial mode, as many would. The distributor also provides an excellent overall service within the industry and Im not going to bely a trust.

If it's a SAFETY concern then a product recall would be in order, just like my Warehouse Wiggles adult Pyjamas with the sharp crutch stitching was.

[gixerracer]

Please elaborate.

No need.
NZ has a very small racing community and some people are in the know about what goes on and most of them cant keep screts which is pretty funny, if you are one of the people in the know ya know!:laugh::niceone:

[Kevin G]

If it's a SAFETY concern then a product recall would be in order, just like my Warehouse Wiggles adult Pyjamas with the sharp crutch stitching was.

They were Vortex clip ons that I import and sell as Race Supplies Limited. When the issue became apparent on the BPF's I immediately contacted Vortex and they on the very same weekend we discovered it they had also discovered the issue during a test session with Suzuki in the USA. The problem only seemed to occur on BPF's and at the time Craig was the only rider I supplied with Vortex bars who had the BPF's. Vortex resolved the issues with a new design for the BPF's and now all my 50 mm clipons from Vortex are for BPF's, I do not stock the old type.
The BPF's were quite new at the time and as our racing season is often the first in the world to race the new models we tend to find any issues first.
If I believed it was a safety concern I would have advised MNZ immediately.

Kevin Goddard
Race Supplies Limited
www.racesupplies.co.nz

[CHOPPA]

They were Vortex clip ons that I import and sell as Race Supplies Limited. When the issue became apparent on the BPF's I immediately contacted Vortex and they on the very same weekend we discovered it they had also discovered the issue during a test session with Suzuki in the USA. The problem only seemed to occur on BPF's and at the time Craig was the only rider I supplied with Vortex bars who had the BPF's. Vortex resolved the issues with a new design for the BPF's and now all my 50 mm clipons from Vortex are for BPF's, I do not stock the old type.
The BPF's were quite new at the time and as our racing season is often the first in the world to race the new models we tend to find any issues first.
If I believed it was a safety concern I would have advised MNZ immediately.

Kevin Goddard
Race Supplies Limited
www.racesupplies.co.nz (http://www.racesupplies.co.nz)

Was Craig running standard forks?

[Kevin G]

Was Craig running standard forks?

They were Big Piston Forks that are std on the latest machines from Suzuki and some Hondas and Kawasakis. Not sure on others but RT may know more.

[Robert Taylor]

They were Vortex clip ons that I import and sell as Race Supplies Limited. When the issue became apparent on the BPF's I immediately contacted Vortex and they on the very same weekend we discovered it they had also discovered the issue during a test session with Suzuki in the USA. The problem only seemed to occur on BPF's and at the time Craig was the only rider I supplied with Vortex bars who had the BPF's. Vortex resolved the issues with a new design for the BPF's and now all my 50 mm clipons from Vortex are for BPF's, I do not stock the old type.
The BPF's were quite new at the time and as our racing season is often the first in the world to race the new models we tend to find any issues first.
If I believed it was a safety concern I would have advised MNZ immediately.

Kevin Goddard
Race Supplies Limited
www.racesupplies.co.nz

This is a good example of a LOCAL supplier who is proactive / attentive and keeping NZ working.

[gixerracer]

They were Vortex clip ons that I import and sell as Race Supplies Limited. When the issue became apparent on the BPF's I immediately contacted Vortex and they on the very same weekend we discovered it they had also discovered the issue during a test session with Suzuki in the USA. The problem only seemed to occur on BPF's and at the time Craig was the only rider I supplied with Vortex bars who had the BPF's. Vortex resolved the issues with a new design for the BPF's and now all my 50 mm clipons from Vortex are for BPF's, I do not stock the old type.
The BPF's were quite new at the time and as our racing season is often the first in the world to race the new models we tend to find any issues first.
If I believed it was a safety concern I would have advised MNZ immediately.

Kevin Goddard
Race Supplies Limited
www.racesupplies.co.nz

A big part of this problem was me not veing very clever and doing the bars up to the setting that Suzuki manual said( from what I recall around 15ftb)
In my hast when we worked out the problem I told kevin basically to shove them up his ares which was not a good response on my part.
Having been more on to this problem I can only tighten my standar bars to 6ftb before this problem starts again but the stock bars have a tag tht locks in under the top clamp so not a big drama. Nothing at all wrong with the vortex products I just needed to do more home work at my end

[Kevin G]

A big part of this problem was me not veing very clever and doing the bars up to the setting that Suzuki manual said( from what I recall around 15ftb)
In my hast when we worked out the problem I told kevin basically to shove them up his ares which was not a good response on my part.
Having been more on to this problem I can only tighten my standar bars to 6ftb before this problem starts again but the stock bars have a tag tht locks in under the top clamp so not a big drama. Nothing at all wrong with the vortex products I just needed to do more home work at my end

Cheers Craig.:niceone:

[gixerracer]

Cheers Craig.:niceone:

No probs Kevin. I know how easy it is for people to misunderstand what they read:msn-wink:

[Kickaha]

We all know if Shirrifs does try something different that works all it will do is mean he's going even faster when he hits the sandtrap

[Robert Taylor]

We all know if Shirrifs does try something different that works all it will do is mean he's going even faster when he hits the sandtrap

We recieved another set of some suspension stuff today that is not working and I think the issue is there is a mistaken belief that it works straight out of the box. If we were mistaken that all of our stuff works out of the box we would be in trouble. Whomever sells whatever product, if the customer is unhappy you sort it. In the immortal words of the late LV Martin of Wellington ''Its the putting right that counts'' Better still though to send it out with settings that are a lot closer to the mark first off.

[gixerracer]

We all know if Shirrifs does try something different that works all it will do is mean he's going even faster when he hits the sandtrap

I had not thought about that. Well fuck what to do now my poor body cant take much more of this:no:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I had not thought about that. Well fuck what to do now my poor body cant take much more of this:no:

Do what old cunts do. Go VMX racing. You spend as much time in the dirt road racing anyway! :bleh:

[Kickaha]

I had not thought about that. Well fuck what to do now my poor body cant take much more of this:no:

Take up Sidecar racing it's full of old has beens so you'd fit right in

[gixerracer]

Do what old cunts do. Go VMX racing. You spend as much time in the dirt road racing anyway! :bleh:

I will wait till I can race my RMZ in it

[gixerracer]

Take up Sidecar racing it's full of old has beens so you'd fit right in

Its full of the never was I thought:bleh:

[Drew]

Its full of the never was I thought:bleh:That's why Jimmy and I like it.

[merv]

Craig cut out all that shit and just go to vintage trials riding - do they still let you ride with a peaked cap on your head and a cigarette in your mouth like guys did when I started - oh you don't need the cap and damn MNZ spoiled that too.

[Ivan]

is that slash

[codgyoleracer]

Mmm very nice, I've been to the toy shop too
263367

Very nice Graeme, My bros just bought one of those. TDV6 goes amazingly well

[Pussy]

So have you tried the K Tech yet? What's the verdict?