Paekakariki Hill Rd speed limit will be reduced to 60km/h

[la buona]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/kapiti/6811714/Speed-drops-on-dangerous-roads-possible

It is possible to put a submission to Porirua City Council about this. I will be.

Not only does a crook from our blessed Guvmint raise your ACC levies...now we have a consortium of central and local Guvmint bodies determined to implement nanny measures to impede your life choices.

Porirua City chose a very dodgy "temporary" 60km/hr speed limit for Grays Rd for the last two years, now of course it will be permanent. Police were pleased as they pinged heaps of people on the road once the slow limit was in place.

And now by stealth, they (PCC) will move to make Paekakariki Hill Rd another 60km/hr road.

I do feel strongly about this, as a regular user on my bike, particularly of the Piekock Hill. It is surely an unforgiving road if you ride like a clown or more often than not meet a clown who cuts corners. BUT it is not a dangerous road in the sense that current speed limits mean you are risking death every time you ride it.

Grays Road is similar in that the (current) 60km/hr speed limit is inappropriate for large sections of it. It came about because people ignored signposted corner speed advisory warnings in the past. Because they couldn't steer a car or lean a bike round a 30km/hr corner, then crashed. Or took a car/bike for a fang and ended up killing themselves or others along the way. So for all these people who presumably had a licence to drive/ride, then screwed up on this road, we all now are deemed incapable of driving this road, therefore will be collectively punished by a 60km/hr limit.

Just bringing this to the attention of anyone else who cares about neat roads to ride.

[Maha]

Motorcyclist adhering to the posted speed limit since ages ago.....:corn:

[MIXONE]

Too many motorists outriding/driving their talents have caused this.Fuckem another good road fucked.

[red mermaid]

I suggest you make your submission along these lines;

The speed limit signs for this road should state;
60km/h unless you ride a motorbike in which case it is 90 km/h unless you are a member of Kiwibiker in which case the skys the limit cause we are all experts.



http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/kapiti/6811714/Speed-drops-on-dangerous-roads-possible

It is possible to put a submission to Porirua City Council about this. I will be.

Not only does a crook from our blessed Guvmint raise your ACC levies...now we have a consortium of central and local Guvmint bodies determined to implement nanny measures to impede your life choices.

Porirua City chose a very dodgy "temporary" 60km/hr speed limit for Grays Rd for the last two years, now of course it will be permanent. Police were pleased as they pinged heaps of people on the road once the slow limit was in place.

And now by stealth, they (PCC) will move to make Paekakariki Hill Rd another 60km/hr road.

I do feel strongly about this, as a regular user on my bike, particularly of the Piekock Hill. It is surely an unforgiving road if you ride like a clown or more often than not meet a clown who cuts corners. BUT it is not a dangerous road in the sense that current speed limits mean you are risking death every time you ride it.

Grays Road is similar in that the (current) 60km/hr speed limit is inappropriate for large sections of it. It came about because people ignored signposted corner speed advisory warnings in the past. Because they couldn't steer a car or lean a bike round a 30km/hr corner, then crashed. Or took a car/bike for a fang and ended up killing themselves or others along the way. So for all these people who presumably had a licence to drive/ride, then screwed up on this road, we all now are deemed incapable of driving this road, therefore will be collectively punished by a 60km/hr limit.

Just bringing this to the attention of anyone else who cares about neat roads to ride.

[Ocean1]

I suggest you make your submission along these lines;

The speed limit signs for this road should state;
60km/h unless you ride a motorbike in which case it is 90 km/h unless you are a member of Kiwibiker in which case the skys the limit cause we are all experts.


From one expert to another: How many fatalities were caused by people driving / riding at or under the speed limit on Grays road before they lowered the speed limit?

And how many accidents have happened on the Paekak hill rd under the existing speed limit?

In the absence of correct data I'll just go ahead and assume that on both roads almost all of the accidents happened over the speed limit before they changed them. I suggest almost all accidents will continue to happen over the speed limit after they change them.

Y'see, much as the KB general populace might over-value their own opinion Porirua council doesn't actually have any better amunition, do they? In fact it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the KB population have as much authority to arbitrarilly change speed limits as the Porirua council. I know I do.

[la buona]

http://www.pcc.govt.nz/

Heres the link to PCC. No public notice yet on their website re consultation over speed reviews. But you could get practice in on the pooper scooper review, just to get your eye in eh.

TeKomiti minutes show that they have resolved to seek public input on the speed reviews and have had reps from Pauatahanui residents Ass. supporting a speed reduction on the Pie-cock road. If you can post here then you can submit to PCC on your views. Heck for all I know I'm out in the cold and being irresponsible in NOT supporting a speed reduction. Past caring at my age and know that this will be ramrodded through unless people make their voices heard.

I can see the residents frustration (at speeders) but there's lots of factors at play here.

Not quite sure even if PCC control the road beyond the summit/lookout which I think is in Kapiti Coast.

Grays Rd speed limit at 60km/hr is just ridiculous, the authorities are treating everyone like a dip-stick. Now they will extend their fascist intentions to place further controls over your choices. What next? Speed reduced to the slowest posted speed advisory sign on the road? You bet. Then go and get a bicycle no rego no acc but thats Ok you'll be green then...fine with PCC....don't forget your civic pooper scooper either good citizens!

[jrandom]

I don't understand why pie cock has such a reputation for crashes. It's perfectly cambered and beautifully surfaced. Very rare to see such an unimportant little road that's had so much maintenance attention paid to it. Probably because people like to ride (and drive?) it for fun, and the local authority sympathises. Or at least wants to minimise the risk, which is thoughtful of them.

I've heard it described as a goat track, but the quality of its construction has more in common with the Nurburgring than with the usual run of NZ back roads.

And I don't think heavy traffic is in the habit of spilling diesel on it, is it?

So what's up with all the bins? What's causing them? Are people's machine-control skills really that poor?

[Madness]

Very rare to see such an unimportant little road that's had so much maintenance attention paid to it.

Actually, it's quite an important little road. The Centennial Highway between Pukerua Bay & Paekakariki has an even higher incident rate and when that road is closed the Piecock becomes a vital link. It's perfectly driveable & rideable at open road speeds IMO also so, what gives?

[jrandom]

Actually, it's quite an important little road. The Centennial Highway between Pukerua Bay & Paekakariki has an even higher incident rate and when that road is closed the Piecock becomes a vital link.

Ah, that explains it, then. I did think it was awfully altruistic of the council to surface a playground like that.


It's perfectly driveable & rideable at open road speeds IMO also so, what gives?

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[la buona]

Actually, it's quite an important little road. The Centennial Highway between Pukerua Bay & Paekakariki has an even higher incident rate and when that road is closed the Piecock becomes a vital link. It's perfectly driveable & rideable at open road speeds IMO also so, what gives?

Yep, too right, a sweet road. Also an unforgiving road (like any road can be) but add in numerous side exits (lifestyle block driveways) daily commuter Michael Schumachers in company sponsored Nissans & Holdens, mix in camper vans (with their GPS's pointing them up the Pie-Cock hill) crap on the road, tight corners and squished possums, it's a challenge.

I love it!

Regarding accidents stats I don't have them but know of two motorcycle deaths on the road, the most recent earlier this year of course.

[Ocean1]

Actually, it's quite an important little road. The Centennial Highway between Pukerua Bay & Paekakariki has an even higher incident rate and when that road is closed the Piecock becomes a vital link.

As is frequently is when there's an incident on the main highway and it takes many many hours to clean up.


It's perfectly driveable & rideable at open road speeds IMO also so, what gives?

Probably just that the traffic load has been increasing for some time, and while the road's OK in most regards there's a notable shortage of run-off options, so the stat's creep up.

I gave up bombing it years ago, nowadays I just pick a speed and hold it, just as entertaining.


It's 75k.

[Hitcher]

Just bringing this to the attention of anyone else who cares about neat roads to ride.

Speed limits aren't just about you. The most dangerous things on this road are the Mummymobiles and the Boi Racers that are incapable of staying on the left of the centreline. I would be delighted if they conformed with the 60kmh restriction as well as with other road rules. This road is good fun at 70kmh and there aren't that many places where that can or indeed should be exceeded. Needless to say I have a Very Small Penis.

[FJRider]

Speed limits aren't just about you. The most dangerous things on this road are the Mummymobiles and the Boi Racers that are incapable of staying on the left of the centreline. I would be delighted if they conformed with the 60kmh restriction as well as with other road rules. This road is good fun at 70kmh and there aren't that many places where that can or indeed should be exceeded. Needless to say I have a Very Small Penis.

Reduction in the speed limit is about the only action the council CAN take ... and be seen as as taking action on the problem. They cannot restrict the use of the road to capable users ... as much as they (and we) would prefer.

Those that need a "Twistie fix" ... will need to go further afield ...

[Berries]

In the absence of correct data I'll just go ahead and assume that on both roads almost all of the accidents happened over the speed limit before they changed them.
Probably not. The Council may say that x% of crashes were speed related but not all of them will be above the speed limit. If you lose control on a corner you can be pretty much sure that unless you fell asleep or were pissed, speed will be recorded against the crash. Too fast for the curve could be 30km/h below the speed limit. Throw in crashes in the wet, where you might be too fast for the conditions and they all add up to speed related crashes occurring below the speed limit. And then of course hitting a black cow at night on straight road and admitting you were doing ten over the limit will get recorded as speed related as well.

Councils get a lot of pressure from residents. But if the problem is speeding drivers then the solution isn't lowering the speed limit. How's that going to work then? I'd suggest that a high number of drivers exceeding the speed limit indicates that it is too low as it is. Lower it further, below what is seen as an 'acceptable' speed limit by road users and they will get even less compliance leading to a number of other safety problems. More $$$$ of course for the government.


A newspaper report stated that there had been over 100 reported crashes, including three deaths, on the road between 2004 and 2009. Eighty-five of these crashes were due to vehicles losing control on the bends.
Hmm. Assuming the same reasoning is used as that above for Grays Road then it might be interesting to know where those crashes were and what were the reasons for them. Find that three shit corners accounted for 90% of the crashes, half of them in the wet, and three quarters of them were below the speed limit and I would suggest the speed limit is not the problem, even though many people see it as the instant solution to their problems. It rarely is. But it is way cheaper than fixing the corners.

[Madness]

Excuse the dredge but it highlights the gradual creep towards walking pace http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/18142-Paikok-hill-road-70-KPH?highlight=piecock+hill+limit

[Ocean1]

Lower it further, below what is seen as an 'acceptable' speed limit by road users and they will get even less compliance leading to a number of other safety problems.

I doubt you'd find a single soul stuck to the limit on either road as it stands, so I'd say we're already well down that track.


Excuse the dredge but it highlights the gradual creep towards walking pace http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/18142-Paikok-hill-road-70-KPH?highlight=piecock+hill+limit

Aye. At what rate of non-compliance do they admit that everyone else is right and they're wrong?

[FJRider]

At what rate of non-compliance do they admit that everyone else is right and they're wrong?

Depending on the numbers of people, on both of those roads, that may have lived if they (or another vehicle involved) was going slower.

I guess if the slogan "Speed Kills" is to be believed ... going slower must be the answer ... right ... ???

[Paul in NZ]

Had to happen sooner or later.

More people are living there and more people are using it - it can get really busy some days. Back when it was 100kph and really having issues the Police ran some information stops etc and they were getting 35 accidents a month on it. This has been on the radar for a LONG time.

The question will be - how many accidents will occur at 50kph?

Its a shame but its almost inevitable...

[pzkpfw]

Not so long ago some dick messes up on the passing lane between Paraparaumu and Waikanae. Loses control on the bend after the passing lane stops, crosses the centre line; kills himself and a no-fault-of-his-own guy coming the other way.

Next thing you know, the speed limit is now 80km/h for that whole stretch of road, and the passing lane is removed.

It doesn't matter that (metaphorial) you and I never crashed on that road. Nor the road between J'Ville and Tawa when it was 100 km/h; nor on the gorge when it was 100 km/h; ...

The statistics apparently show fewer crashes when the limit is lowered. That's all it takes. You'll never argue against it.

The very best we can do is try to keep not crashing on the "fun" roads, to encourage them to keep their current limits.

[rastuscat]

It sure takes some fucktards to spoil the roads for most.

Go find a place where no Popo will use a radar and ring the nuts from your bike.

Ho hum.

[Usarka]

I'm concerned about all you people saying you like pie cock.

[la buona]

http://www.pcc.govt.nz/News---Events/Public-Consultation/Speed-Limits-in-Porirua-City

Ah well here's the links simple as filling in a submission say as little or as much as you like. Till June 15.

[Rhys]

All roads should have a speed limit of 30 kph , problem solved :baby:

[DEVVIL]

It sure takes some fucktards to spoil the roads for most.

Go find a place where no Popo will use a radar and ring the nuts from your bike.

Ho hum.
Sounds good to me:chase:

[Frodo]

I only ride the Hill Road by motorbike and pushbike early in the morning before the boy racers have woken up. Its a wonderful road regardless if powered by leg or petrol. But I live near the fire station in Paekakariki and hear the regular call-outs to crashes on the Hill Road and so have changed when I ride it.
This is another example of regulatory bodies mixing speed and driver skills. If the speed limit would be set at the lowest posted speed (and enforced), there'd still be accidents. Just don't get me started on the lower road toll be due to reduced speed rather than safer vehicles and better roads...
In reality, the fun parts of this road will only rarely have radar traps - its simply too tight. So pootle along the lower, straighter sections where Mr Plod may hang out, and enjoy the upper bits.
And in the meantime, ping the boy racers...

[Ocean1]

There's a procedure, (who would have guessed?) for setting speed limits.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/setting-speed-limits-2003.html#s12

"Calculating a speed limit" sounded promising...

3.4 Operating speeds
The mean speed and the 85th percentile speed on a road should not be significantly greater than the speeds specified in Table SLNZ3. On medium- to high-volume roads the standard deviation becomes important, as a road with a narrow distribution of speeds is less hazardous than one with a wide distribution. If operating speeds exceed the values specified in the table, it is likely that additional measures such as engineering, enforcement, education and publicity will be necessary to reduce speeds.


Table SLNZ3 Mean and 85th percentile operating speeds

Speed limit Mean speed (km/h) 85th percentile speed (km/h)
50 km/h 50 60
60 km/h 60 70
70 km/h 70 80
80 km/h 80 90
100 km/h 100 110



And there's no chance we'll be calling the solution any sort of "engineering". So it'll be "education" and "enforcement". 'Cause the majority opinion on the matter doesn't count, on account of us all bein' so uneducated an' all.

Apparently there's a wee ap' somewhere, there that crunches all the numbers and tells you the "correct" speed, but I can't find it.

What I do know is that the eventual limit won't bear any resemblance to an engineering calc'. It will, however bare a striking resemblance to a certain number currently formost in the collective council's mind.

[RuoskaNZ]

Welp, there goes my favourite wellington road.
I generally stick to the current speed limit, as it is just the corners I want to play in. and cant afford tickets. But 60km/h will be just painful.
It is a goat track when I first got on it, but soon you realise your lines and see the road is pretty damn good as long as there hasn't
been any rain recently. No heavy vehicles/not many is what keeps it nice.
A true goat track is the makara beach back road :( . Was almost impossible to even touch the speed limit most of the way, so much loose shit.
Ahwell, there has been an increased mufti cop presence on it so maybe they are upping the anti.
Coming soon to a road near you?

The previous list works to a point, unless there is easy tickets to be had.
Lower ALL the speed limits. :wacko:

[willytheekid]

It sure takes some fucktards to spoil the roads for most.

Go find a place where no Popo will use a radar and ring the nuts from your bike.

Ho hum.

:clap:...so sadly true

Ummm...could you possibly provide a list of said roads please :killingme

I grew up in paraparaumu, and that road was just the SHIZ for bikes :yes: (used to punt my old GPZ900 over it on a regular basis, certainly didn't have to "speed" to enjoy it @100kph, the corners and the scenery are just georgeous!)

[MrKiwi]

Not so long ago some dick messes up on the passing lane between Paraparaumu and Waikanae. Loses control on the bend after the passing lane stops, crosses the centre line; kills himself and a no-fault-of-his-own guy coming the other way.

Next thing you know, the speed limit is now 80km/h for that whole stretch of road, and the passing lane is removed.

It doesn't matter that (metaphorial) you and I never crashed on that road. Nor the road between J'Ville and Tawa when it was 100 km/h; nor on the gorge when it was 100 km/h; ...

The statistics apparently show fewer crashes when the limit is lowered. That's all it takes. You'll never argue against it.

The very best we can do is try to keep not crashing on the "fun" roads, to encourage them to keep their current limits.

True, except it is not us riders crashing, it is car drivers. People need to learn to judge safe speeds on the trickier corners. That why we have speed advisory signs on corners that might require a slower speed than that for the stretch the road operates under. It is worrying-some that some road controlling authorities are looking to assess what is the slowest bit of the road and then apply that speed to its entire length.

[SPman]

So what's up with all the bins? What's causing them? Are people's machine-control skills really that poor? I can't believe you said that.........

The mean speed and the 85th percentile speed on a road should not be significantly greater than the speeds specified in Table SLNZ3.
And is this 85th percentile taken from a road with no speed limit, because, if not, then it is yet more meaningless claptrap that is used as justification for continually lowering speed limits.....

[george formby]

Tis a weird situation. Great tarmac being pedestrianized & yet the gnarliest, nastiest gravel roads with instant death drop offs are still 100kmh limit. Put knobblies on the bike, I did.

[la buona]

Tis a weird situation. Great tarmac being pedestrianized & yet the gnarliest, nastiest gravel roads with instant death drop offs are still 100kmh limit. Put knobblies on the bike, I did.

Yes, good idea! Still waiting for the outcome of the decision from the Porirua City Council but I expect the result is a forgone conclusion. Unless they have been bogged down by a multitude of objectors which I doubt.

Trouble is, is that in NZ regulatory authorities there exists a system of workers (rather like an ant colony) that is dedicated to the expansion and replication of more and more rules and regulations. In part this is to justify their own existence, but in order to maintain a facade, their work is justified as being in the Greater Public Good.

Unlike you and me, who sit about talking $%#@ on the 'net, these workers are dedicated to 40 hrs per week 52 weeks per year focussing their time and energy to implement more and more regulation to help you become a Good Citizen.

This is why, in about 10 years, all beer sold in NZ will be limited to .25% alcohol, cats will be required to have their teeth removed and be chained up overnight, your motorcycle's horses & torques will be emasculated by a devious device required by the LTSA and if you run over a possum on the road you will be liable to prosecution by the SPCA.

[la buona]

Excerpt from Te Komiti meeting minutes 16 August: SPEED LIMIT CHANGES IN GRAYS ROAD, PAEKAKARIKI HILL ROAD, RAIHA STREET, TITAHI BAY ROAD AND 40KM/H SCHOOL ZONES
Report #789949 of the General Manager Asset Management and Operations dated 23 July 2012.
RECOMMENDED (Murrell / Latham)
1. That the Council note the summary and statistical analysis of submissions to the proposed speed limit changes.
2. That the Council, pursuant to the Porirua City Council General Bylaw 1991, Part 16A (Speed Limits), by public notification, resolve to make the following amendments:
Clause 16A.3.3
Amend
3. PAEKAKARIKI HILL ROAD, from the intersection with Grays Road to the main entrance of Battle Hill Farm Forest Park, a speed limit of 80Km/h.
To Read
3. PAEKAKARIKI HILL ROAD, from the intersection with Grays Road to the boundary between Porirua City Council and Kapiti Coast District Council, a speed limit of 60 Km/h.
Amend
4. PAEKAKARIKI HILL ROAD, from the main entrance of Battle Hill Farm Forest Park to the boundary between Porirua City Council and Kapiti Coast District Council, a speed limit of 70Km/h.
To Read
3. PAEKAKARIKI HILL ROAD, from the intersection with Grays Road to the boundary between Porirua City Council and Kapiti Coast District Council, a speed limit of 60 Km/h.
Amend
2. GRAYS ROAD, from 160 metres east of Pope Street to the intersection with Paekakariki Hill Road, a speed limit of 80Km/h.
To Read
2. GRAYS ROAD, from 160 metres east of Pope Street to the intersection with Paekakariki Hill Road, a speed limit of 60Km/h.
Add
5. TITAHI BAY ROAD, from 120 metres south of Kahutea Terrace to 130 metres south of the intersection with Te Pene Avenue, a speed limit of 50Km/h.
Add
5. RAIHA STREET, from 500 metres south of Prosser Street to 765 metres south of Prosser Street (No. 43 Raiha Street), a speed limit of 50Km/h.
3. That the Council approve the introduction of engineering measures on Grays Road and Paekakariki Hill Road, to change the speed environment to be consistent with new speed limits.

[Scuba_Steve]

fucking morons :brick:
... now just wait for the PIGs to camp it. The limit is such that now even the slowest dawdlers are "speeding" along it

[Bald Eagle]

whats with the unreadable yellow, you taking the piss?

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[James Deuce]

It's a residential road now and populated by people who don't respect the centre line. This speed limit will give you both the opportunity to avoid oncoming vehicles on your side of the road and for small capacity bikes to drop the big boys in the really twisty bits when those guys on their flash as bikes find out they can't even maintain 60km/hr over the whole length of the road and they've been relying on the throttle to look good.

[liljegren]

Another good reason not to live in Welliton. Go live up North, we got the Mangamukas! Look it up....:eek5::yes::yes:

[James Deuce]

Another good reason not to live in Welliton. Go live up North, we got the Mangamukas! Look it up....:eek5::yes::yes:

Idiot. That is all.

[caspernz]

Another good reason not to live in Welliton. Go live up North, we got the Mangamukas! Look it up....:eek5::yes::yes:

Yeah but the Mangamukas have a crap surface and hideous camber. The Rimutaka Hill on the other hand...now that is a bit like a race track :Punk:

Not that I ever speed across the Rimutakas of course :facepalm::shit:

[Kickaha]

The Rimutaka Hill on the other hand...now that is a bit like a race track :Punk:

Not as good as the Hundalees, of course I would never have raced through that :shifty:

[Ocean1]

It's a residential road now and populated by people who don't respect the centre line.

As is the Akatarawas. What's the limit there again?

I should know, I went to visit the brother today, via Karipoti-Maungatuks etc. Not a radar in sight.

[caspernz]

Not as good as the Hundalees, of course I would never have raced through that :shifty:

Oh I don't know, the Rimutakas are just about all redone with proper asphalt...almost suitable for go-karts now :shit:

[Kickaha]

As is the Akatarawas. What's the limit there again?
Whatever it is it'll be to high, that's a fucking goat track

[Ocean1]

Whatever it is it'll be to high, that's a fucking goat track

I read here somewhere what the record time from one bridge to another over there. Not sure if the time was more impressive than the fact that someone survived the attempt without wearing a land rover.

[caspernz]

I read here somewhere what the record time from one bridge to another over there. Not sure if the time was more impressive than the fact that someone survived the attempt without wearing a land rover.

By helicopter it's only a matter of minutes....:blink:

[Gremlin]

As is the Akatarawas. What's the limit there again?
I've ridden a lot of roads in my 7 short years of motorcycling. That's one road I have no wish to travel along again.

Disappointing re Paekakariki, but there ya go... Plenty of other roads that are more fun.

[sugilite]

Akatarawas - One of my all time faves, I've done it over 200 times. It taught me a lot about riding. I can understand those that don't understand that road :baby:

[Madness]

The Akatarawas is good at teaching you that a big-fuck-off Maui campervan can appear on your side of the single lane goat track at any time. Shit of a road on a bigger bike.

[James Deuce]

I've always found the Akatarawas to be hard, hard work. Really good way to quickly find out how much of your Fu leaks out when you concentrate really hard for an extended period of time.

[sugilite]

The Akatarawas is good at teaching you that a big-fuck-off Maui campervan can appear on your side of the single lane goat track at any time. Shit of a road on a bigger bike.

Some of my best rides through there were on big bore gsxr's. Though had a ball on all my two strokes too, RG250, 400, 500 and RZ500. I've had other riders tell me how much they hate that road, but when they tried it following me, you could not get their grin of their faces with a crow bar, not to mention how they make the takas feel like a 6 lane highway when you get there! If approached the right way, the Akatarawa road really is fantastic.

[oneofsix]

No Maui campers the only problems I've had so far on the Aka's are an SUV coming towards me on my side around a blind cornere, thanks F I had practiced splitting and a motorbike of the back of a line of four cars, all the cars stuck more or less to their side of the corner but I reckon the biker had wash his undies after his sudden change of line.

[Ocean1]

Really good way to quickly find out how much of your Fu leaks out when you concentrate really hard for an extended period of time.

Have you read this?: http://www.webbikeworld.com/books/upper-half-of-the-motorcycle.htm

You'd hate it. Let me know if you want to borrow it.

[James Deuce]

I think I'd like it! I'd love to borrow that. Meet up in Martinborough for a coffee next weekend or something?

[Ocean1]

I think I'd like it! I'd love to borrow that. Meet up in Martinborough for a coffee next weekend or something?

Sounds good. Let me know what time's good later in the week eh?

PS: All that stuff people know about how to ride a bike? Is wrong.

[James Deuce]

Cool! I can shout about NEW stuff!

[la buona]

whats with the unreadable yellow, you taking the piss?

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Yellow was chosen for the text because the appropriate brown shade of @#$%& for this council waffle would be even more illegible. Just room for a final comment before I depart this thread which is getting a bit long and convoluted.

Here's the stuff link:http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/kapiti/7490509/Pauatahanui-Roads-Speed-Limit-To-Drop

Interesting comments underneath.

What makes me crack up is the so called "engineering solutions" that council will now put in place to ensure the limit of 60km/hr is abided by. What would this be? Let a flock of sheep or goats wander freely on this stretch of road to add to the surprise factor? Leave a dead possum on blind corners? Council workers to scatter some pea metal at selected points to keep drivers alert? Maybe their Mayor can drive a campervan down the centreline daily, that'd be cheap! (not that any of them ever use this road anyways, which I guess is part of the problem in the first place).

It's a load of %$&&*$% $%#@!

Start another thread if you care to continue. That's me.

[BMWST?]

Some of my best rides through there were on big bore gsxr's. Though had a ball on all my two strokes too, RG250, 400, 500 and RZ500. I've had other riders tell me how much they hate that road, but when they tried it following me, you could not get their grin of their faces with a crow bar, not to mention how they make the takas feel like a 6 lane highway when you get there! If approached the right way, the Akatarawa road really is fantastic.

The key to the akatarawa road is that it is a one lane road

[Bald Eagle]

Akatarawa Road - one lane farm road
Paekok Hill - two lane farm road with added touriststs and
Rimutaka Hill - two lane road with added tourists and Rossi wanna be's.

Bit like most of New Zealand "highways" really. Ride them to the conditions , no problem.

There are no dangerous roads. It's the people......

[Paul in NZ]

Well I have to say I'm a bit bummed about this but the thing is - its been coming for some time.

There are more and more people living there and they all seem to own horse floats etc. Damn shame as its the only place you can ride an old bike like the trophy on anything like the roads it was built for within an hour of our place. Rate we are going I may as well go buy a gold wing now...

sigh....

[Kickaha]

Rate we are going I may as well go buy a gold wing now...

Well aren't you in the right age bracket for one? :whistle:

[Paul in NZ]

Well aren't you in the right age bracket for one? :whistle:

Yeah but I want to put a turbo on it and cafe racerise it.....

[James Deuce]

I want a Rune.

[Paul in NZ]

I want a Rune.

You constipated again Jim?

[jellywrestler]

the Akatarawa road really is fantastic. what about the SUV fuckers that think it's a one way road?

[Paul in NZ]

what about the SUV fuckers that think it's a one way road?


And drive at a speed where it is utterly impossible to stop in time if you meet one.... Actually - some of em don't seem to care even if they DO see you....

[sugilite]

what about the SUV fuckers that think it's a one way road?

Yep, I've been avoiding them for years on that road, they lurk on other roads too. I know the life stylers are proliferating (I are one in the Tararua region lol) and the amount of fangable road is ever shrinking. It's happening everywhere.
Don't get me wrong, I know the Akatarawa's are not for every rider, I'm just pointing out that if approached in the correct way, it can be a very rewarding ride/road. After over 200 trips over through the Akatarawas, spread over 30 years, I know where the rock falls are likely to be after rain, where the moss grows in spring and so on. No I don't know when the next road hogging SUV is going to come around the corner, but I'm very confident I know the line to be on to see them, then do whats required to avoid them and stay rubber side down. I'm not into playing Russian Roulette, and 200 times would be an awful lot of times to pull the trigger!

[Paul in NZ]

Well only one thing in life is certain - things change....

Not sure how the turning around at Fishermans Table is going to work out but hey - why not.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/kapiti-observer/7552217/Changes-to-halt-crazy-driving

[oneofsix]

Well only one thing in life is certain - things change....

Not sure how the turning around at Fishermans Table is going to work out but hey - why not.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/kapiti-observer/7552217/Changes-to-halt-crazy-driving

Only going to be a short term issue until Transmission Gully is built :shutup:

[James Deuce]

Only going to be a short term issue until Transmission Gully is built :shutup:

What, death, or turning at Fisherman's Table?

[Paul in NZ]

Only going to be a short term issue until Transmission Gully is built :shutup:


That would be 'short term' as in geological terms then...

[Bald Eagle]

Ok so we shift half the problem south. how is the U-turning traffic at f/table going to be managed. Rather than solve a problem they've just divided it..

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[oneofsix]

That would be 'short term' as in geological terms then...

:yes: I forgot to use the sarcasm font again, darn it all


Ok so we shift half the problem south. how is the U-turning traffic at f/table going to be managed. Rather than solve a problem they've just divided it..

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Instead of the traffic off the hill being in conflict with the traffic to and from Paekock and it will how be in conflict with the dinners from Fishys. Guess we lose the rest area, freedom camper park, toilet stop and roadside stall parking as well.

:corn:

[Paul in NZ]

To be fair - something had to be done.

At busy times (which are increasing all the time) that intersection is a bloody nightmare. Its the right turns into Paekakareki that are the biggest issue for right turners...

[oneofsix]

To be fair - something had to be done.

At busy times (which are increasing all the time) that intersection is a bloody nightmare. Its the right turns into Paekakareki that are the biggest issue for right turners...

Yes something needed doing.

I would prefer to shut down the whole intersection, bridge the hill into Paekakariki and make the towns interchange at McKays Crossing. I was going to say this is now not worth it with Transmission Gully due to proceed :lol: however this will at least do some good.

I was expecting them to loop the downhill traffic through the old service station but this gets it well clear of the Paekakariki intersection.