ZX10R anti wheelie question

[ClutchITUP]

I have recently got that stirring feeling for a 2011 ZX10R. Can someone tell me a bit about the antiwheelie crap it has on it?

If I got one can I clutch up a high slow wheelie in 1st from say a red light to impress chicks? ie do a clutched up wheelie and keep it below 70km/h

I like clutching up slow wheelies its fun to me and a big part of MY sport bike riding. Will I be shit out of luck with the new electronic aids?

[White trash]

This oughta be fucken good.

[slofox]

:corn::corn::corn::corn::corn:

[sil3nt]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/20098006.jpg

[Crasherfromwayback]

Got any clips of you doing one of your signature wheelies?

[bogan]

I'm pretty familiar with Kawasaki's anti wheelie system. The most common type is KMOS, or Kawasaki Mass Overload System; pronounced kay-moss.

This is a passive system (and equipped to almost all of their bikes since the early 90s), and some might say not as good as the likes of BMW's electronic anti-wheelie control. However, the benefits of a passive system mean it is always in effect, and you do not have to worry about electricery taking control of the throttle at a bad time.

However, passive systems are a lot harder to disable than the electronic ones. For you to remove the effects of KMOS, you will have to modify a lot of the components, including the engine, frame, fairing, wheels, brakes, and other parts too numerous to mention. If you look up 'Shervin', he is a pioneer on the removal of the KMOS system, although I think he used a ZX10 the principals are similar. Or even kb's own Ducatilover has done extensive work in this field as well.

[Ronin]

"Yut ughhhh!"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx4F94DnATY

[EJK]

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Fresh Fish! Fresh Fish!

[ClutchITUP]

thanks bogan, so what your saying is that the anti wheelie on the gen 4 is no different to that on previous model zx10s ?
I thought the gen 4 had some new flash electronic anti wheelie built in, Jimmy? yes or no ?

[bogan]

thanks bogan, so what your saying is that the anti wheelie on the gen 4 is no different to that on previous model zx10s ?
I thought the gen 4 had some new flash electronic anti wheelie built in, Jimmy? yes or no ?

I'm not too sure on the details, but they added some new bits and updates to ABS etc, so it's likely these just enhance the KMOS effect. I wouldn't be surprised if the marketeers portray simple improvements as new systems.

[ClutchITUP]

I'm not too sure on the details, but they added some new bits and updates to ABS etc, so it's likely these just enhance the KMOS effect. I wouldn't be surprised if the marketeers portray simple improvements as new systems.

I hear ya Bogan cheers mate, right Im getting the idea through OTHER forums that Im worried about nothing and I can continue dreaming about getting a 2011 ZX10R and electronic aides wont infringe on MY fun, As you were wankers

[Crasherfromwayback]

, As you were wankers

No mirrors at your place?

[MD]

This oughta be fucken good.

Tut, tut. We all know this will end in tears.

The bigger question here is why would you need to use the clutch to wheelie a modern 1000cc (or 600 for that matter) in FIRST gear? Am I missing something? Have I slipped into an alternate universe where sports bike have 30hp? Oh bugger, it's the 1950s again. Must be a delayed Y2K event.

[White trash]

Yut ughhhh

Funniest fucken thing I've seen in a loooooong time.

"Oh nah, for donuts you need sprockets and shit...."

[ClutchITUP]

No mirrors at your place? No actually not one. got any videos of your signature crashing? did they have video back then? I know they didnt have bikes with anti wheelie control/traction control/mapping switches and shit like that. I have never ridden a bike with that shit so I just want to understand what it does in the real world. I understand its all great for lap times but what do all these aides mean for the average road squid like me that just wants to tool around and be a larriken doing skids and wheelies (the slower the better less mess that way if something does go wrong)

Im still unclear can you clutch up a wheelie in 1st gear on a gen 4 ZX10R? any one ? I know you can in 2nd but 1st?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poQpIKues50
the black bike is a 2011 ZX10R

[Crasherfromwayback]

No actually not one. got any videos of your signature crashing?

Sure have...

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[ClutchITUP]

Tut, tut. We all know this will end in tears.

The bigger question here is why would you need to use the clutch to wheelie a modern 1000cc (or 600 for that matter) in FIRST gear? Am I missing something? Have I slipped into an alternate universe where sports bike have 30hp? Oh bugger, it's the 1950s again. Must be a delayed Y2K event.

The point is to do wheelies s l o w e r

[ClutchITUP]

Sure have...

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Wheres the crash? I dont wanna watch that whole thing again?

[cowboyz]

its 3 mins into it.. pay attention.

a zx10r is not a 600 .. forget about the clutch. esp in first. that just seems nasty.

[ClutchITUP]

Right so Pete great crash .......um anti wheelie on a 2011 zx10r anyone?

[ClutchITUP]

its 3 mins into it.. pay attention.

a zx10r is not a 600 .. forget about the clutch. esp in first. that just seems nasty.

Yeah nasty and fun I have clutched slow wheelies in 1st on a 06 1000RR an it was exactly like a 600. So I guess you forget about the clutch in 1st Ill carry on peace
I just want to know if its possible on these new fan dangle electronic gizmode bikes
can you not see the appeal of doing a slow wheelie at 50km/h in first rather than powering up in 1st and doing 100 before you know it ?


http://youtu.be/1NVpsHaOJDM

[Bassmatt]

My understanding is that the wheelie control is incorporated into the traction control which can be turned off.

[Laava]

So you trying to get a girl huh?

[pzkpfw]

So you trying to get a girl huh?

She'll fall off the back.

[bogan]

She'll fall off the back.

And then all bikers will get a bad rep, I know two chicks who are terrified of motorcycles because their friend broke both legs after falling off cos some dude was trying to show off at about 30kmhr in a straight line. Not sure what you guys reckon, but it sounds to me like the muppet was trying to do a wheelie (probly with the clutch), fucked it up, and ended up hitting a tree at around 70kmhr.

[DEATH_INC.]

My understanding is that the wheelie control is incorporated into the traction control which can be turned off.
What he said. Turn that shit off and go for it.

[gatch]

And then all bikers will get a bad rep, I know two chicks who are terrified of motorcycles because their friend broke both legs after falling off cos some dude was trying to show off at about 30kmhr in a straight line. Not sure what you guys reckon, but it sounds to me like the muppet was trying to do a wheelie (probly with the clutch), fucked it up, and ended up hitting a tree at around 70kmhr.

Does his name start with a G and was it an SV1000 ?

[SMOKEU]

She'll fall off the back.
Replace the "she" with a "he", and this is the result (which I know is a repost).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THOO0Z-gfQI

[ClutchITUP]

What he said. Turn that shit off and go for it.

thank fuck for that!!!! didnt take long. should of just asked you Thanks bassmatt and death

I am sincerely sorry if my riding gives people a bad impression of bikers hhahaa oh wait no Im not

Wheelies are neither big nor clever

and I nearly lost a chick off the back on the front straight puke in 08 she was so scared hahaha oh I love bikes. Id forgotten about that thanks

She still loves bikes probly more than me actually

[Gremlin]

I don't know the Kawasaki system, but if it's like the BMW one, then it's simply measuring the wheel speeds of front and rear, and when there is a greater than acceptable difference it cuts in. Spinning up the rear wheel and pulling a wheelie is effectively the same thing to the computer, the rear is spinning faster than the front.

As Death says, if traction control is switchable, turn off and away you go.

[MD]

Seems you were asking a serious question, not taking the micky. I had the pleasure of doing a full throttle run through the gears on a near new ZX10R recently (the lastest model). The Owner told me the anti-wheelie was on low setting so I gather it can also be turned off. Anyway, in 3rd gear it started to lift the front smoothly and I resisted the instinct to back off a fraction, remembering the owner's word to just hold it wide open.

Wise move, the system slowly intervened and gently lowered the front, whilst not interrupting the full tit acceleration- it was awesome!

[bogan]

Does his name start with a G and was it an SV1000 ?

No idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if, even in palmy, there were a few such incidents :facepalm:

[gatch]

No idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if, even in palmy, there were a few such incidents :facepalm:

I know a dude who was in an incident that sounds suspiciously similar. Had his brothers wife on back of bike "changed down a gear and the front wheel just came up", she broke both her legs and he smashed his collar bone I think, ribs, lung etc..

[Ronin]

The point is to do wheelies s l o w e r

Then learn from MD... There are very few on here better than he.

[Ender EnZed]

it sounds to me like the muppet was trying to do a wheelie (probly with the clutch), fucked it up, and ended up hitting a tree at around 70kmhr.

He's a very busy muppet.


No idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if, even in palmy, there were a few such incidents :facepalm:

I'd say it's a fairly popular way of getting rid of spare motorcycles.

[ClutchITUP]

Then learn from MD... There are very few on here better than he.

"gathers" is not really what Im after here

Having riden with Death and I know how much he loves his kwackers, I happy to take his word for it that there is a switch somewhere amongst the electronic wizardary on it thats says thanks but no thanks maybe later to antiwheelie control/traction control.

[sinfull]

Why don't you just ring a friggin dealer instead of big notin it here

[bogan]

I know a dude who was in an incident that sounds suspiciously similar. Had his brothers wife on back of bike "changed down a gear and the front wheel just came up", she broke both her legs and he smashed his collar bone I think, ribs, lung etc..

Double ouch, inflicting injuries to the sister-in-law might take the longest to heal! Does sound pretty similar though.

You see clutchitup, if you fuckitup, you get way more bad press for us bikers than if you doitright, so don't fuckitup!

[Coolz]

Ruth rode on my motorbike directly behind me. I did a wheelie at the lights and rode on ruthlessly.

[ducatilover]

I'm pretty familiar with Kawasaki's anti wheelie system. The most common type is KMOS, or Kawasaki Mass Overload System; pronounced kay-moss.

This is a passive system (and equipped to almost all of their bikes since the early 90s), and some might say not as good as the likes of BMW's electronic anti-wheelie control. However, the benefits of a passive system mean it is always in effect, and you do not have to worry about electricery taking control of the throttle at a bad time.

However, passive systems are a lot harder to disable than the electronic ones. For you to remove the effects of KMOS, you will have to modify a lot of the components, including the engine, frame, fairing, wheels, brakes, and other parts too numerous to mention. If you look up 'Shervin', he is a pioneer on the removal of the KMOS system, although I think he used a ZX10 the principals are similar. Or even kb's own Ducatilover has done extensive work in this field as well.

I am well and truley familiar with this system, I cannot go in to specifics due to a legally binding agreement between myself and the KMOS developer.
What I can say, is I did overcome the KMOS system and the ASRCD (Anti-Squid-Rider-Control-Device) and the results were spectacular.

[ClutchITUP]

Why don't you just ring a friggin dealer instead of big notin it here
haha awesome yip definitely should of. I just hate motorcycle salesman with passion. So thought Id try here the title did say:

Forum: Sport/Road Bikes
Two wheels and sometimes one, on the tarmac

big noting that I dont know anything about traction control or anti wheelie? Im a big noter because I didnt know something about bikes and asked a question on a forum

[Crasherfromwayback]

I just hate motorcycle salesman with passion.

We're not all bad!

[ClutchITUP]

We're not all bad!

oh mate, no offence generalizing there totally. Im sure you'd let an scruffy youngish fullla that LOOKS like he has no money and just asked you about anti wheelie control ride out the door on a 18K$ bike on a test ride

[Crasherfromwayback]

oh mate, no offence generalizing there totally. Im sure you'd let an scruffy youngish fullla that LOOKS like he has no money and just asked you about anti wheelie control ride out the door on a 18K$ bike on a test ride

As long as you signed the test ride form like everone else, of course I would. I'm one of the only people I know that wrote a bike off on a test ride! And the car I 'T' Boned.

[Laava]

Ruth rode on my motorbike directly behind me. I did a wheelie at the lights and rode on ruthlessly.

Great first post, look forward to the next gem!

[5150]

I think the gold powerband mod will fix it. But it adds extra 2K to the price tag. However since it will void any waranties, the bike shop will more then likely refuse to fit it for you. It is not actually that hard to fit. All you need is a left handed screw driver. :shutup:

[ClutchITUP]

I think the gold powerband mod will fix it. But it adds extra 2K to the price tag. However since it will void any waranties, the bike shop will more then likely refuse to fit it for you. It is not actually that hard to fit. All you need is a left handed screw driver. :shutup:

awesome, But I only have 1500$ left after buying the bike. If I dropped it off to you could you fit it for me? please

[Fast Eddie]

yut UUUUGHHHH !

[5150]

awesome, But I only have 1500$ left after buying the bike. If I dropped it off to you could you fit it for me? please

Sorry mate, would love to help, but I only have Right handed screw drivers in my tool box. :shifty:

[actungbaby]

Sure have...

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Hay dude i brought a ns 250 87 model what are they like the 2 strokers never ridden one

Always had 4s i should imagine be little diffrent to my current vfr 750

But will be on knife edge no go below 7 thou and gutless of idel with it being
pain the bum to rise in town witoput fry clutch making alot noise

I might look like 49 yr prat okay i probley do even without the bike

[Asher]

Hay dude i brought a ns 250 87 model what are they like the 2 strokers never ridden one

Always had 4s i should imagine be little diffrent to my current vfr 750

But will be on knife edge no go below 7 thou and gutless of idel with it being
pain the bum to rise in town witoput fry clutch making alot noise

I might look like 49 yr prat okay i probley do even without the bike

Yeah they are really tame bikes when your out of the powerband, i find my bike hard to take off fast from stopped, i either dont rev enough and take off slow or rev a little too much and wheelie off.

Super fun bikes, just not the most convenient, but if i wanted convenience i would just drive my car.

[Ollie.T]

Sorry mate, would love to help, but I only have Right handed screw drivers in my tool box. :shifty:

Plus, don't you need a long weight to calibrate it properly?

[actungbaby]

Yeah they are really tame bikes when your out of the powerband, i find my bike hard to take off fast from stopped, i either dont rev enough and take off slow or rev a little too much and wheelie off.

Super fun bikes, just not the most convenient, but if i wanted convenience i would just drive my car.

so true dude i agree i rode it 400cc yamaha dirtbike for like 2 weeks i went from
a 90cc step throu honda

i had not exp with clutch stalled it ever set ;ights stop signs my mate went tyrough tank gas

on my bike on ride home hehe this passer by even stoped help start it omg it was bitch to start

i morning i be kick kick it was fun though i can still smell those 2 stroke premix

It was beast i was in awe of it i remeber taking of in 2nd from cosins

And just wellie all i saw was blue front guard

Then rode 100cc road bike 2 stroke and was bike shop loaner and was complet crap on it

was either boged down or going mostley boged down hehe

I wanna exp that feeling again i dobt nsr 250 will be quick as exciting as that blue it 400 though it was beast i thought doing 50kph one time riding down avonside drive in chc

it was mph wow that was neat. that sound it made when got in power band it went from

pussy cat to tigers snarl

[5150]

Plus, don't you need a long weight to calibrate it properly?

Only depends on the length of the power band. They come in three sizes. 1 mertre, 3 metre and a 10 metre for the Harley's :msn-wink:

[Bassmatt]

awesome, But I only have 1500$ left after buying the bike. If I dropped it off to you could you fit it for me? please

Bought one yet? I see they have knocked 4k off the price recently.
I shouldn't even be thinking about buying a new bike but....:drool:

[Brett]

so true dude i agree i rode it 400cc yamaha dirtbike for like 2 weeks i went from
a 90cc step throu honda

i had not exp with clutch stalled it ever set ;ights stop signs my mate went tyrough tank gas

on my bike on ride home hehe this passer by even stoped help start it omg it was bitch to start

i morning i be kick kick it was fun though i can still smell those 2 stroke premix

It was beast i was in awe of it i remeber taking of in 2nd from cosins

And just wellie all i saw was blue front guard

Then rode 100cc road bike 2 stroke and was bike shop loaner and was complet crap on it

was either boged down or going mostley boged down hehe

I wanna exp that feeling again i dobt nsr 250 will be quick as exciting as that blue it 400 though it was beast i thought doing 50kph one time riding down avonside drive in chc

it was mph wow that was neat. that sound it made when got in power band it went from

pussy cat to tigers snarl

For the sake of small monkeys...could you please freaking punctuate your posts! That shit is illegible.