Failed twice on my restrict test

[marcowho]

I can't believe I failed twice on my restrict exam in Northcross test centre. I've been driving 50+/day safe and reliable all the time for 8months already. The first one I went was on the end of March. The reason of failure was when I tried to turn left on 80K open highway, I reduced speed too much in the middle of the lane, instead of I should pull left first and then reduced speed. This is a bit hard, as I didn't familiar with the road, kept speed limit 80K at the same time I had to look for a street to turn left when the test officer asked me to "turn left at the next street". So about in month time after this, I practiced a lot in Browns bay area to get familiar of the road.

But somehow I still failed today. I was told I got 100% positive at the first test section. The reason of failure was I was riding 40K on 30K temporary area during the second section. I totally disagree with the officer. I am sure I definitely reduced my speed to 30K from 50K just reached sign. And increased the speed just after "work end" sign, I saw there was a permanent 50K sign after it at 20meters away. She told me I had to increase my speed after the 50K sign - I increased my speed too early. Is this correct?

And another thing is she told me in the instruction just before we started "as you are learner, you can't over the speed limit 80K!" What?? Where the speed limit 80K come from? The only rule I learned is the speed limit 70K for learner has already been removed since 1st Oct last year.

Not happy with the professional level of the test officer, I feel I am wasting money and losing confidence and passion and learning nothing instead of lots of confusing from different test officer. I feel even though I practiced 100 times I could be failed easily due to any small reason. Should I keep giving them $80? Why not I just stay with learner, I think is okay forever....

[FJRider]

But somehow I still failed today. I was told I got 100% positive at the first test section. The reason of failure was I was riding 40K on 30K temporary area during the second section. I totally disagree with the officer. I am sure I definitely reduced my speed to 30K from 50K just reached sign. And increased the speed just after "work end" sign, I saw there was a permanent 50K sign after it at 20meters away. She told me I had to increase my speed after the 50K sign - I increased my speed too early. Is this correct?

And another thing is she told me in the instruction just before we started "as you are learner, you can't over the speed limit 80K!" What?? Where the speed limit 80K come from? The only rule I learned is the speed limit 70K for learner has already been removed since 1st Oct last year.

Not happy with the professional level of the test officer, I feel I am wasting money and losing confidence and passion and learning nothing instead of lots of confusing from different test officer. I feel even though I practiced 100 times I could be failed easily due to any small reason. Should I keep giving them $80? Why not I just stay with learner, I think is okay forever....

Failing to follow the instructions of the testing officer is an instant FAIL.

Having an accurate speedo is required. Check it IS accurate before your next test.

A "Works End" sign is NOT a speed zone change indication sign. So YES ... the tester WAS correct.

With the change in testing rules ... is a rule limiting the length of time you are ALLOWED to stay on a learners licence. Thus ... after that period ends ... you start from scratch as you will have NO LEARNERS licence even.

If it's any consolation ... 40% of those sitting their restricted test FAILED, since the new rules came into force. No word (that I have seen) on what % failed it more than once. But no doubt you have increased that % ... well done.

[sil3nt]

They all seem like pretty valid reasons for failure to me.

[Bassmatt]

Wow it sounds like it's done to the letter of the law now, I hope they are as tough on indicating correctly.
I was told after my full test (iirc) that I had been speeding the whole time but because I was doing it consistently he would let it slide :woohoo:

[Spazman727]

Wow it sounds like it's done to the letter of the law now, I hope they are as tough on indicating correctly.
I was told after my full test (iirc) that I had been speeding the whole time but because I was doing it consistently he would let it slide :woohoo:

Haha, awesome, you can go 150k if you do it consistently. (Don't worry, i know it means he knew your speedo was a bit out.)

[tigertim20]

really, if you fail the test, you fail the test.
failing once is bad enough, considering that youve been riding around for fuck knows how many months, clearly unable to observe the rules correctly.
fail twice and I have to ask WTF?

[nzspokes]

really, if you fail the test, you fail the test.
failing once is bad enough, considering that youve been riding around for fuck knows how many months, clearly unable to observe the rules correctly.
fail twice and I have to ask WTF?

I would agree. Ive just done my full and 3 months before my R. They are stupid easy. You would have to try hard to fail.

[GrayWolf]

Well there you go Original Poster,

you have it officially confirmed the KiwiBiker way.... fail twice and you are a useless piece of crap rider, yadayadayada.....

OK you got it wrong, IF you repeat the same mistake(s) then I would say, question what you are doing...
8 months or 50 days is not a lot of time in the grande scheme of things in truth... You now know that the test is going to be 100% letter of the law, read your rode code and PRACTICE it till you can perform it second nature...
dont rely on others assesssing your riding skills UNLESS they are a competent rider, by that I mean a QUALIFIED rider/tester/tutor...... Anyone else it is just their opinion ...
Now pick your ass up, dust ya britches off mentally, and go and do it right next time!!

Good luck!! GW

[FJRider]

... You would have to try hard to fail.

It would seem ... he did .... :lol:

[sleemanj]

With the change in testing rules ... is a rule limiting the length of time you are ALLOWED to stay on a learners licence.

This has only been idly floated (by Joyce last year), it's not in any law yet to my knowledge.

[Bad Biker]

Now pick your ass up, dust ya britches off mentally, and go and do it right next time!!


I would agree with GrayWolf - what has happened has happened don't dwell on it. Sort your shit out throw a leg over your bike, practice and ACE the test next time!!

The more you think about it the more nervious you will be.


Good luck

[JustNick]

Mate get along to NASS and see if you can get some good practical help there.

[sleemanj]

I was riding 40K on 30K temporary area during the second section. I totally disagree with the officer. I am sure I definitely reduced my speed to 30K from 50K just reached sign. And increased the speed just after "work end" sign

Mmmm. Yes probably a valid fail. You should not have increased speed until you reach the next speed limit sign.


And another thing is she told me in the instruction just before we started "as you are learner, you can't over the speed limit 80K!"

Completely incorrect and I would write to the testing officer informing them of this (quote the NZTA/legislation, if you search here you'll find references).

It's not going to get you the licence, but there is no excuse for a testing officer to get that so wrong. (Land Transport (Driver Licensing) Amendment Rule 2011, Rule 91001/7; removed the 70 KM/H limitation for Learners). Of course, could have been something lost in translation.

[unstuck]

Just keep going, practice, study,re apply. Every no gets you closer to a yes. You can do eeit.:woohoo:
Its a shame lonley track road is so built up now, that was an awesome road to learn to ride a bike on when I was growing up.:Punk:

[SMOKEU]

Having an accurate speedo is required. Check it IS accurate before your next test.


I've managed to pass the classes 1 and 6 R and F tests in NZ first time round and I've never had an accurate speedo on any of those vehicles.

[FJRider]

I've managed to pass the classes 1 and 6 R and F tests in NZ first time round and I've never had an accurate speedo on any of those vehicles.

The OP claimed in the first post he was speeding ... and was sure he wasn't. Knowing the amount of (in)accuracy of his speedo will help him in future.

[DODO``]

Ive done my restricted last week at the same place, I think I know that lady tester, shes got white sedan cage right?

anyway, OPs post is like seeing me back when I was 16-17, and failed to get my practical test for my car. I was like "What the fk?! Ive been driving daily with no accident for 2 whole year now?! and they are just trying to rip people off!!"
haha I still think think they do but back then I was making the same mistakes as you did and I did not want to admit it or not even come to realise that i was wrong.. but it was.

There are number of key points that the testers actually look for in the test. (couple of you mentioned in original post). Following the signs and conditions of the road goes without saying, the fact that you have to argue with following the basic road signs is not good!

I had a similar issue like you with my cage (kept failing for no reason,, I thought..), and I resorted on private driving lesson,
a week before the test.
-1 hr lesson.
-set in the car for 1/2 an hour discussing what the tester is looking for with pen & paper.
-30 min drive around.
-pass the test easy. with compliment from the tester "there should be more people like you on the road"

this was like 10 years ago but yeah, Id suggest you learn about those points! where ever you learn it! all the best with your next one! :eek:

and one thing, I was going (based on my speedo) over 70km and near 80km.. (78 ish km ) on 80km zone.. tester didnt say anything about learns speed limit..

[DODO``]

Its a shame lonley track road is so built up now, that was an awesome road to learn to ride a bike on when I was growing up.:Punk:

I had my first cage crash there, drove it into the ditch. hahaha:bleh:

[unstuck]

I had my first cage crash there, drove it into the ditch. hahaha:bleh:

Was a good road back in the day, most of it was gravel then. I have killed a few cars along there,anglia, victor, morry mk1 and 2 escorts and 2 mk 3 cortinas and dads brand new mk4 cortina station wagon:facepalm::spanking:

As you were sorry.:sunny:

[DODO``]

Was a good road back in the day, most of it was gravel then. I have killed a few cars along there,anglia, victor, morry mk1 and 2 escorts and 2 mk 3 cortinas and dads brand new mk4 cortina station wagon:facepalm::spanking:

As you were sorry.:sunny:

hahaha good, O'brien Rd just on the other side of Dairy Flat highway is another excellent road to kill some more cars :laugh::laugh:

[tbs]

Bummer man.
Two things: Yes, there used to be a 70km speed limit on the 6L licence, but even then it did not apply to you while sitting the 6R test. That was the first time you were officially allowed to do the correct safe speed for the open road. So even if the restriction still existed she would still be wrong.
Secondly, when I sat my 6R (in Ak City) I asked the instructor if his speedo accuracy was corrected. He said it was, so I explained I was pretty sure mine was a fair way out so I'd appreciate a heads-up if I was going too quick. This worked. His speedo read high just like mine if those stationary speed trap digital readings are anything to go by, but he did tell me I was going too quick at one point so I backed it off to a crawl.

I did my 6F up at Browns Bay and the instructor (just like the one in the city) knew absolutely nothing about riding a bike. He couldn't fault the legality of my riding. That was perfect, but he criticized the lines I was taking. He couldn't understand why I'd ride around the outside of a curve or move around in the lane so much. I took the time to explain about sight lines and so-on but he just couldn't get his head around it. Even at the 6R test at one point I had the instructor telling me off. I was slowing down waiting for him to catch up after an intersection, and I had my left arm resting on the tank. He told me to put my hand back on the bar. That actually told me about all I needed to know. Don't expect testers to show any imagination or understanding outside of the letter of the law. If they can fail you they will.

Good luck next time.

[Tricia1000]

Hey thats a shame. Pre-empting a speed sign is definitely a no-no. Roadworks speedlimits are mandatory.
If you would like to do some training before sitting your next restricted licence (don't give up yet), give me a shout at 021 269 3246 (I have a 100% pass rate, even though the testing centre has only 40%) I can assure you, you will get through next time. You could try Orewa for your next test. It has a lovely test route, and the testing officers know what to look for......

Tricia

I can't believe I failed twice on my restrict exam in Northcross test centre. I've been driving 50+/day safe and reliable all the time for 8months already. The first one I went was on the end of March. The reason of failure was when I tried to turn left on 80K open highway, I reduced speed too much in the middle of the lane, instead of I should pull left first and then reduced speed. This is a bit hard, as I didn't familiar with the road, kept speed limit 80K at the same time I had to look for a street to turn left when the test officer asked me to "turn left at the next street". So about in month time after this, I practiced a lot in Browns bay area to get familiar of the road.

But somehow I still failed today. I was told I got 100% positive at the first test section. The reason of failure was I was riding 40K on 30K temporary area during the second section. I totally disagree with the officer. I am sure I definitely reduced my speed to 30K from 50K just reached sign. And increased the speed just after "work end" sign, I saw there was a permanent 50K sign after it at 20meters away. She told me I had to increase my speed after the 50K sign - I increased my speed too early. Is this correct?

And another thing is she told me in the instruction just before we started "as you are learner, you can't over the speed limit 80K!" What?? Where the speed limit 80K come from? The only rule I learned is the speed limit 70K for learner has already been removed since 1st Oct last year.

Not happy with the professional level of the test officer, I feel I am wasting money and losing confidence and passion and learning nothing instead of lots of confusing from different test officer. I feel even though I practiced 100 times I could be failed easily due to any small reason. Should I keep giving them $80? Why not I just stay with learner, I think is okay forever....

[Usarka]

when I tried to turn left on 80K open highway, I reduced speed too much in the middle of the lane, instead of I should pull left first and then reduced speed..

While I'm sorry you got failed on this, I'm quite glad that they are doing it. 1) It's dangerous to slow down in front of traffic when you're on a bike, and 2) it's **** annoying to other road users when vehicles don't move to the side of the lane before turning.

If you can, do some training - even just doing dummy runs with an instructor would help. In fact i encourage all learners to do training right at the start of their riding career as that's when bad/good habits get set.

[marcowho]

Thanks a lot all of your comments. I understand now it was my mistake, but I just feel it's not very big mistake can terminate my test. (or maybe some of you would say it's "reasonable"). I believe most of riders/drivers could make this same small mistake in the test - start to increase speed just after "work end" sign when you see a permanent 50K sign right at 20M ahead. Would it be better if the test officer could just comment out at the end of my test, then I can learn, that's the point, and I am sure I won't make the same mistake again. But what's the point to fail a candidate with a small mistake? She couldn't say anything else I did wrong in the test, actually I was perfect in first test section according to her...... Meat in the chopping board depends on the different butchers. Okay anyway, fail is fail... just a bit more bad luck on me, same time sharing some experience to you guys. Not sure how the new system will be.

[Lelitu]

That's the fun thing with the law

what's legal, and what's common practice are not necessarily the same thing
that's why we sometimes have enforcement campaigns.

the test makes sure you know how to ride to the requirements of the law, not common practice.

[wysper]

Would it be better if the test officer could just comment out at the end of my test, then I can learn, that's the point, and I am sure I won't make the same mistake again.

Thats the thing though isn't it. If it was just a comment and you passed anyway, I doubt you would even think twice about it.

[tbs]

So hang on a minute... You slowed down for roadworks, and then sped up again after the 'Works End' sign, and just happened to do it 20 meters out from a fixed 50km/h sign? Is that right? Because if so, then failing you for that is a complete bunch of arse. The fixed 50k sign has absolutely no bearing on when you get to speed up after roadworks. Only the sign indicating the end of the roadworks. It is simply there to let people know the maximum permitted speed on that stretch under normal conditions.

[speights_bud]

Thats the thing though isn't it. If it was just a comment and you passed anyway, I doubt you would even think twice about it.

Oh i dunno about that, when i sat my 1F test the instructor sat next to me afterward telling me that i missed a head check and that 'no head check is a dead check' i thought i was about to fail, but as it turns out he passed me. That was 6 years ago and it still sticks in my mind when changing lanes etc.

[Nzpure]

So hang on a minute... You slowed down for roadworks, and then sped up again after the 'Works End' sign, and just happened to do it 20 meters out from a fixed 50km/h sign? Is that right? Because if so, then failing you for that is a complete bunch of arse. The fixed 50k sign has absolutely no bearing on when you get to speed up after roadworks. Only the sign indicating the end of the roadworks. It is simply there to let people know the maximum permitted speed on that stretch under normal conditions.

It would depend if it was a fixed sign or one the road works has put up wouldn't it? If it was a permanent sign that was there before the road works it shouldn't have any bearing on your speed in relation to the road works.....Otherwise roadworks out in the wop wops where signs can be 5 kms apart would mean you would be doing 40km/h for freakin ages........

and to add to the pissing contest i passed first time on my 1L-1R-1F,6L-6R-6F,2L-2F,4L-4F,W,T,R,D,F so :bleh:

[swbarnett]

While I'm sorry you got failed on this, I'm quite glad that they are doing it. 1) It's dangerous to slow down in front of traffic when you're on a bike, and 2) it's **** annoying to other road users when vehicles don't move to the side of the lane before turning.
I move to the side if I can, mostly out of courtesy (especially on busy roads, I sometimes even use the cycle lane). However, I have every legal right to do whatever speed (up to the limit) is necessary to maintain my own safety anywhere within the lane I am currently occupying, this includes getting to a safe speed to take a corner.

[FJRider]

It would depend if it was a fixed sign or one the road works has put up wouldn't it? If it was a permanent sign that was there before the road works it shouldn't have any bearing on your speed in relation to the road works.....Otherwise roadworks out in the wop wops where signs can be 5 kms apart would mean you would be doing 40km/h for freakin ages........



Did he not state there was a 30 km speed sign for the roadworks. Past the "works end" sign he sped up ... BUT this was prior to the sign indicating the change to a higher speed zone.

[tigertim20]

Well there you go Original Poster,

you have it officially confirmed the KiwiBiker way.... fail twice and you are a useless piece of crap rider, yadayadayada.....



I assume that is directed at my response, fair enough I guess.
What I was tryig to point out was that, at the point where you go for your restricted, you take extra effort over your usual daily riding, knowing that youre being tested. If in doing this you still fail, thats a concern, as it means youve been riding outside of the road rules for quite some time - thats a bit of a worry for the rider.
To fail, the go away, work on it, and still fail says that there is a pretty severe misunderstanding there somewhere, the rider needs to put the bike in the garage, and spend a couple weeks going over the rules/laws, and maiking damned sure they have them down pat.
Then pull the bike out again and go put it into practice.

My initial post probably seemed a tad harsh, but the last fucking thing I want to see is a new rider killed or maimed because they are riding around ignorant of the basic rules that might prevent their death

[Nzpure]

And increased the speed just after "work end" sign, I saw there was a permanent 50K sign after it at 20meters away. .

Did he not state there was a 30 km speed sign for the roadworks. Past the "works end" sign he sped up ... BUT this was prior to the sign indicating the change to a higher speed zone.

As OP said it was a permanent road sign so she was being a stupid bitch.

[Armi]

I sat my restricted a couple of weeks ago and the tester said learners are only allowed to go 70 but he would need me to get to 80. I just informed him that the law regarding that was changed ages ago and off we went.

[FJRider]

As OP said it was a permanent road sign so she was being a stupid bitch.


But somehow I still failed today. I was told I got 100% positive at the first test section. The reason of failure was I was riding 40K on 30K temporary area during the second section. I totally disagree with the officer. I am sure I definitely reduced my speed to 30K from 50K just reached sign. And increased the speed just after "work end" sign,

I saw there was a permanent 50K sign after it at 20meters away. She told me I had to increase my speed after the 50K sign - I increased my speed too early. Is this correct?

It was a Restricted rider test ... being a picky bitch is her job. He increased speed early. Even if it was only 20 metres early.

Licence tests are to be taken seriously ... no silly obvious fail actions.

[tigertim20]

It was a Restricted rider test ... being a picky bitch is her job. He increased speed early. Even if it was only 20 metres early.

Licence tests are to be taken seriously ... no silly obvious fail actions.
yup, accelerate early during the test, what do you do when not being tested?

[Mom]

OMG! Someone failed their test for not being competent! :shit: :laugh:

TWICE!!!!!

J.M. & his wife...

0800 4 LESSON

Roadcraft School of Motorcycling. www.rcsom.co.nz

Get some learning in ya!

[GrayWolf]

My initial post probably seemed a tad harsh, but the last fucking thing I want to see is a new rider killed or maimed because they are riding around ignorant of the basic rules that might prevent their death

Yes you are correct it was in response to that post.
What 'disturbs' me here frequently is the amount of 'harsh replies' given with not thinking from the other end of the stick. if the positions were reversed, and it was you as the 'just failed twice' OP and received that type of response, it's either going to close your mind or make you angry? I am sure that if some one spoke to your face in that way you would likely respond in a similar fashion, likely telling them to sling their hook.
I understand your 'motive' but do you really think that type of 'attack' is productive?

[FJRider]

yup, accelerate early during the test, what do you do when not being tested?

Winge and moan it appears ... he seem's like a "I got a speeding ticket, how do I get off it" type poster in the (near) future ...

[Nzpure]

It was a Restricted rider test ... being a picky bitch is her job. He increased speed early. Even if it was only 20 metres early.

Licence tests are to be taken seriously ... no silly obvious fail actions.

How is it being picky? It was a permanent road sign....It has nothing to do with the road works that just so happen do be in the vicinity of the works. It has no bearing on the road works. As i said before if the speed sign was a roadworks sign placed there then he was an igit for speeding up but it wasn't. If he was doing it in a rural area with road works he'd have to wait 10 minutes before he saw another one.....
Some testers are just idiots, I was marked down for riding in the right hand wheel track as apparently i should stay in the middle of the lane and ""own the road"".

[tigertim20]

Yes you are correct it was in response to that post.
What 'disturbs' me here frequently is the amount of 'harsh replies' given with not thinking from the other end of the stick. if the positions were reversed, and it was you as the 'just failed twice' OP and received that type of response, it's either going to close your mind or make you angry? I am sure that if some one spoke to your face in that way you would likely respond in a similar fashion, likely telling them to sling their hook.
I understand your 'motive' but do you really think that type of 'attack' is productive?
I dont think that a coddling attitude 'oh, its ok, youve only failed 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 times, youll get there' is necessarily the way to approach the subject either.

Sometimes, harsh is whats required, make the person realise they are on a fucking bike, they failed their restricted test twice, but they are still riding around( on a regular basis no doubt) with a clear lack of understanding of the road rules.
They arent in a car, cocooned by a steel safety shell with airbags and side intrusion bars, theyre on a fuckin bike, ignorant of the rules. One fuckup at a give way could = death.

Like I said, sometimes a harsh and sobering attitude is whats required to make someone realise the seriousness of the potential repercussions, if they dont realise the seriousness of it, they arent likely to take to learning with any gusto are they?

if my post comes across as harsh, well good, riding around on a motorcycle with an ignorance of the road rules is a pretty serious matter, and it should be impressed upon the rider as such.

[98tls]

I can't believe I failed twice on my restrict exam in Northcross test centre. I've been driving 50+/day safe and reliable all the time for 8months already. The first one I went was on the end of March. The reason of failure was when I tried to turn left on 80K open highway, I reduced speed too much in the middle of the lane, instead of I should pull left first and then reduced speed. This is a bit hard, as I didn't familiar with the road, kept speed limit 80K at the same time I had to look for a street to turn left when the test officer asked me to "turn left at the next street". So about in month time after this, I practiced a lot in Browns bay area to get familiar of the road.

But somehow I still failed today. I was told I got 100% positive at the first test section. The reason of failure was I was riding 40K on 30K temporary area during the second section. I totally disagree with the officer. I am sure I definitely reduced my speed to 30K from 50K just reached sign. And increased the speed just after "work end" sign, I saw there was a permanent 50K sign after it at 20meters away. She told me I had to increase my speed after the 50K sign - I increased my speed too early. Is this correct?

And another thing is she told me in the instruction just before we started "as you are learner, you can't over the speed limit 80K!" What?? Where the speed limit 80K come from? The only rule I learned is the speed limit 70K for learner has already been removed since 1st Oct last year.

Not happy with the professional level of the test officer, I feel I am wasting money and losing confidence and passion and learning nothing instead of lots of confusing from different test officer. I feel even though I practiced 100 times I could be failed easily due to any small reason. Should I keep giving them $80? Why not I just stay with learner, I think is okay forever....

Mate next time just treat her as you would when shagging a fat chick,pretend shes not there and concentrate on the job at hand.

[tigertim20]

Winge and moan it appears ... he seem's like a "I got a speeding ticket, how do I get off it" type poster in the (near) future ...
lol maybe, but maybe its just a vent. If the poster has genuinely tried to improve, they migth be suffering from a self inflicted case of stage fright by psyching themselves out after a fail, and wondering how to fix it.

I stick by what Ive said, yup, its serious, yup you need to pick your fucking game up, but do it by taking breather, refresh yourself on the theory, and make sure you have that down pat, THEN get back on the bike and practice it.

How is it being picky? .

I dont think he was trying to say the tester was being picky, he was pointing out that its a test to see if you can ride safely and not kill yourself, and as such, you should EXPECT the tester to be pedantic, and still religiously to the letter of the law, and penalise you for each and every mistake.

[Nzpure]

I dont think that a coddling attitude 'oh, its ok, youve only failed 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 times, youll get there' is necessarily the way to approach the subject either.

Sometimes, harsh is whats required, make the person realise they are on a fucking bike, they failed their restricted test twice, but they are still riding around( on a regular basis no doubt) with a clear lack of understanding of the road rules.
They arent in a car, cocooned by a steel safety shell with airbags and side intrusion bars, theyre on a fuckin bike, ignorant of the rules. One fuckup at a give way could = death.

Like I said, sometimes a harsh and sobering attitude is whats required to make someone realise the seriousness of the potential repercussions, if they dont realise the seriousness of it, they arent likely to take to learning with any gusto are they?

if my post comes across as harsh, well good, riding around on a motorcycle with an ignorance of the road rules is a pretty serious matter, and it should be impressed upon the rider as such.

Question is would you have the balls to say it to his face? keyboard warrior :bleh:



Sorry i had too.

[FJRider]

How is it being picky? It was a permanent road sign....It has nothing to do with the road works that just so happen do be in the vicinity of the works. It has no bearing on the road works. As i said before if the speed sign was a roadworks sign placed there then he was an igit for speeding up but it wasn't. If he was doing it in a rural area with road works he'd have to wait 10 minutes before he saw another one.....
Some testers are just idiots, I was marked down for riding in the right hand wheel track as apparently i should stay in the middle of the lane and ""own the road"".

If the permanant speed sign is at the end of a roadworks area ... it is a legal end to a temporary speed zone. A Works end sign is not the end of the temporary speed zone ... as a set distance is required after the roadworks area before any increase of speed is permitted. There are hard and fast measurements laid down (severe penaltys for those that get caught doing it wrong) for the placement of signs showing start and finish of each change of speed zone.

[Nzpure]

lol maybe, but maybe its just a vent. If the poster has genuinely tried to improve, they migth be suffering from a self inflicted case of stage fright by psyching themselves out after a fail, and wondering how to fix it.

I stick by what Ive said, yup, its serious, yup you need to pick your fucking game up, but do it by taking breather, refresh yourself on the theory, and make sure you have that down pat, THEN get back on the bike and practice it.


I dont think he was trying to say the tester was being picky, he was pointing out that its a test to see if you can ride safely and not kill yourself, and as such, you should EXPECT the tester to be pedantic, and still religiously to the letter of the law, and penalise you for each and every mistake.

If op drives a car he knows the rules...I would hope anyways. He needs time on his bike and maybe some training. I still think its rubbish, In saying that they are crazy hard on you now. What are they having like a 35% pass rate down from like 80%+

[Nzpure]

If the permanant speed sign is at the end of a roadworks area ... it is a legal end to a temporary speed zone. A Works end sign is not the end of the temporary speed zone ... as a set distance is required after the roadworks area before any increase of speed is permitted. There are hard and fast measurements laid down (severe penaltys for those that get caught doing it wrong) for the placement of signs showing start and finish of each change of speed zone.

bollucks.....

[tigertim20]

Question is would you have the balls to say it to his face? keyboard warrior :bleh:



Sorry i had too.

Lol, 100%, yes I would, especially if im sharing the road with someone who has proven twice that they dont know the road rules.
theres plenty on here that will vouch for the fact that I dont act any different in the flesh, im an angry, opinionated cunt like that!

[FJRider]

I dont think he was trying to say the tester was being picky, he was pointing out that its a test to see if you can ride safely and not kill yourself, and as such, you should EXPECT the tester to be pedantic, and still religiously to the letter of the law, and penalise you for each and every mistake.

The testers are not required to know how to ride a motorcycle ... or what is a practical position on the road for a motorcyclist to be (from a riders perspective). They are required to fail those that they believe are riding in an unsafe manner. One (minor) error they may choose to let slide. MORE than one ... and they start getting more pedantic.

The OP does have a right of redress if he chooses to complain about the tester.

Plenty of threads on THIS site on the do's and don'ts of the learner/restriced tests. Perhaps the OP reads a few of them.

[Nzpure]

im an angry, opinionated cunt like that!

Good man!!

[crystalball]

Far out man, I can not remember the last time i saw someone doing 30km in a temporary 30km zone. They all drive like its a rally road. I wounder why you getting picked on.

[FJRider]

bollucks.....

The days when any outfit doing roadworks ... could put up roadworks/speed reduction signs are long gone. A pass in the specific course is now required.

http://www.trafficmanagementltd.co.nz/files/82/file/TC-Course-Information.pdf

[tigertim20]

Good man!!

I should add that if I was in a position to tell them to their face, I would also be in a position to offer to help them with both theory, and practical stuff, which I would certainly offer to do. No point bitching if youre not prepared to do something about it.

[unstuck]

The days when any outfit doing roadworks ... could put up roadwoks/speed reduction signs are long gone. A pass in the specific course is now required.

http://www.trafficmanagementltd.co.nz/files/82/file/TC-Course-Information.pdf

Then you get a card like this.:msn-wink:

[FJRider]

Then you get a card like this.:msn-wink:

Back in the day I did that sort of work on the roads ... it was pretty rough and ready ... :lol:


That card get you into pubs ???

[unstuck]

Back in the day I did that sort of work on the roads ... it was pretty rough and ready ... :lol:


That card get you into pubs ???

If ya hold it just right.:innocent:

[Berries]

Then you get a card like this.:msn-wink:
Yeah, but TC's are all monkeys.

It is rare to see a roadworks site set out the same as in the Traffic Management Plan that has been approved, this is particularly so where temporary speed limits are concerned. I will happily not adhere to temporary speed limits if 1) I cannot see the reason behind it and 2) it is clearly not set out in accordance with COPTTM. It is supposed to protect the workers/road so fuck them if they can't be bothered doing it right.

But if I was taking a test I would stick to the signs.

[FJRider]

Yeah, but TC's are all monkeys.

It is rare to see a roadworks site set out the same as in the Traffic Management Plan that has been approved, this is particularly so where temporary speed limits are concerned. I will happily not adhere to temporary speed limits if 1) I cannot see the reason behind it and 2) it is clearly not set out in accordance with COPTTM. It is supposed to protect the workers/road so fuck them if they can't be bothered doing it right.

But if I was taking a test I would stick to the signs.

Maybe so ... but get pinged 40 km's over the posted limit (and that does include the temporary one's) ... and you're walking ... :facepalm: 50 km's in a 30 km zone is 20 over ... 25 demerits (from memory) and the fine.

Taking the test ... and you need to be seen to be better than perfect.

[GrayWolf]

I should add that if I was in a position to tell them to their face, I would also be in a position to offer to help them with both theory, and practical stuff, which I would certainly offer to do. No point bitching if youre not prepared to do something about it.

Thing is Tim,
would you want to be taught or helped by a self confessed, self opionated, angry C**T? it really isnt a good mix as a tutor/teacher......
One reason I would never try to be a teacher, I dont have the patience and probably 20yrs ago was an angry self opinionated arrogant C**T. These days? I am not angry :laugh::laugh::facepalm:

[Berries]

Maybe so ... but get pinged 40 km's over the posted limit (and that does include the temporary one's) ... and you're walking ... :facepalm: 50 km's in a 30 km zone is 20 over ... 25 demerits (from memory) and the fine.
But then you've got to hope that the traffic management was up to scratch and the cop checked before enforcing it. The works end sign is the last sign of the lot. The speed limit sign should be placed before it, or combined as one. Maybe it had blown over, who knows, but the site was non compliant. I would be asking plenty of questions if I got pinged in a road works site.

And that's assuming the speed limit got approved in addition to the rest of the traffic management.

All the reading is in here - http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/code-temp-traffic-management/copttm.html

[unstuck]

Yeah, but TC's are all monkeys.

It is rare to see a roadworks site set out the same as in the Traffic Management Plan that has been approved, this is particularly so where temporary speed limits are concerned. I will happily not adhere to temporary speed limits if 1) I cannot see the reason behind it and 2) it is clearly not set out in accordance with COPTTM. It is supposed to protect the workers/road so fuck them if they can't be bothered doing it right.

But if I was taking a test I would stick to the signs.

Completely agree, especially from what I have seen from some of the muppets around here at the moment, I really like to get it right though because if somebody smashes into my digger because I have not set up a site properly, then I am going to get rodgered, and from what I have heard, it is not very pleasant.:shit:

[Tigadee]

Roadcraft School of Motorcycling. www.rcsom.co.nz

Link doesn't work...

[tigertim20]

i
Thing is Tim,
would you want to be taught or helped by a self confessed, self opionated, angry C**T? it really isnt a good mix as a tutor/teacher......
One reason I would never try to be a teacher, I dont have the patience and probably 20yrs ago was an angry self opinionated arrogant C**T. These days? I am not angry :laugh::laugh::facepalm:

if i had already failed twice id take whatever help was offered to me. cunt or no cunt.

[Fast Eddie]

the driving test for bike and car are so so easy..

if you fail them you need to start a thread "I ride a .... rego plate ... avoid me at all costs"

and add some photos too

[Gremlin]

Link doesn't work...
Fixed for ya

[Mom]

Fixed for ya

Thank you :facepalm:

[Nzpure]

the driving test for bike and car are so so easy..

if you fail them you need to start a thread "I ride a .... rego plate ... avoid me at all costs"

and add some photos too

made it hard now tho.

[Bad Biker]

Not going to be my concern any more.

Just got my full licence 1 hour ago - took 15min

next step bigger bike

[FJRider]

Not going to be my concern any more.

Just got my full licence 1 hour ago - took 15min

next step bigger bike

Well done ... welcome to the world of the class 6 licence holder. (There is no such thing as a 6F)

It's either class 6 ... or 6R. (and 6L riders ... but they don't really :innocent: )

[Nzpure]

Not going to be my concern any more.

:niceone:Just got my full licence 1 hour ago:niceone: - took 15min

next step bigger bike

go for a busa, zx-14r or 1thou awesome bikes, do it i did! :niceone: