848 Evo in NZ Supersport?

[Tony.OK]

"Proposed" rule change taken from MNZ website................Hmmm, that'd be nice to see (and hear), 130rwhp with a tune and exhaust :love:


Rule Number: Appendix G

New Rule to read:

Supersport engine capacity:
501cc-600cc 4 cylinders maximum
601cc-675cc 3 cylinders maximum (including 850 V Twins)

Reason for change: To allow the use of 850 Vtwins in this class, i.e. the 848cc Ducati evo.

http://www.mnz.co.nz/Proposed_Rule_Changes.aspx

[CHOPPA]

oooohhhh good spotting that man!

[gixerracer]

"Proposed" rule change taken from MNZ website................Hmmm, that'd be nice to see (and hear), 130rwhp with a tune and exhaust :love:



http://www.mnz.co.nz/Proposed_Rule_Changes.aspx

I bet it's codgeoldracers idea because he is to chicken to ride a superbike:bleh:

[R6_kid]

I was just thinking that would make my TRX850 eligible, but it won't be if it has high comp first size over pistons and FCR carbs would it?

Would it not be better for them to wait and see if Ducati come through with a Panigale "799".

[CM2005]

They did this in Canada a while ago and it turned into a Ducati win while everyone else just races each other scenario. But could be a good one.

[carbonhed]

So Ducati twins are now to get a 42% increase in displacement over the IL4's... that seems just a smidgen fucking ridiculous.

[lukemillar]

So Ducati twins are now to get a 42% increase in displacement over the IL4's... that seems just a smidgen fucking ridiculous.

Yeah, but they are about 42% more expensive to buy and repair, so I doubt you'll see a shitload on the grid!

[Tony.OK]

Yeah, but they are about 42% more expensive to buy and repair, so I doubt you'll see a shitload on the grid!

Hard to say really, closer to 30% to buy but hp is better and don't need engine work to have similar hp to a worked 6hundy.
Look at the BMW's that are in SBK/F1 now, much bigger price gap new but they're still there.

Parts aren't that bad nowadays, and a fair amount of chassis/body is the same as 1098/1198's so bits can be found relatively easy.

Be really interesting to see a top rider do a back to back comparison :niceone:

[scracha]

I was just thinking that would make my TRX850 eligible, but it won't be if it has high comp first size over pistons and FCR carbs would it?


It aint a v-twin mate. Their new rule is obviously designed for one specific spaghetti bike

SV744 would be more of a laugh

[R6_kid]

It aint a v-twin mate. Their new rule is obviously designed for one specific spaghetti bike

SV744 would be more of a laugh

I did some quick sums on taking 100cc out of a 749 but it would have, can probably be done but doubt it'd be worth the $$$.

[Cracker]

"Proposed" rule change taken from MNZ website................Hmmm, that'd be nice to see (and hear), 130rwhp with a tune and exhaust

This is good for the class. Someone in the rules knows the deal. I have done a lot of track Km on an older 848. I know its going to be right in the middle of the class. Only a pro rider can ring that horsepower out of a 2 cyclinder effectively to win and the 600 s are odds on favourites for high speed tracks. The maintainence costs are bugger all, probabaly less than the rest. Forget the fact the girls will shag the 848 riders, thats life.

America is the big market for these bikes and they know how to crash them. The 848 is probably the most crashed Ducati in the USA. They are a cosmetic culture, so it does not take much to right one off. You can import a right off through Bidrider or Kiwi Shipping and be competitive with a strong low km bike for less than $10,000. You claim the GST because your effectively importing to trade the vehicle but have not sold it yet.

[CHOPPA]

"Proposed" rule change taken from MNZ website................Hmmm, that'd be nice to see (and hear), 130rwhp with a tune and exhaust

This is good for the class. Someone in the rules knows the deal. I have done a lot of track Km on an older 848. I know its going to be right in the middle of the class. Only a pro rider can ring that horsepower out of a 2 cyclinder effectively to win and the 600 s are odds on favourites for high speed tracks. The maintainence costs are bugger all, probabaly less than the rest. Forget the fact the girls will shag the 848 riders, thats life.

America is the big market for these bikes and they know how to crash them. The 848 is probably the most crashed Ducati in the USA. They are a cosmetic culture, so it does not take much to right one off. You can import a right off through Bidrider or Kiwi Shipping and be competitive with a strong low km bike for less than $10,000. You claim the GST because your effectively importing to trade the vehicle but have not sold it yet.


Good post! Hey I have seen that Bidrider..... Have you used them? So basically you buy something off Ebay and they pick it up and deliver it??

[DMack]

Good post! Hey I have seen that Bidrider..... Have you used them? So basically you buy something off Ebay and they pick it up and deliver it??

I used Kiwi Shipping for mine, they orgainsed pickup & transport across states incl domestic insurance - great service too.

[slowpoke]

I used Kiwi Shipping for mine, they orgainsed pickup & transport across states incl domestic insurance - great service too.

Yep, I used 'em for a car and a set of race fairings for my bike, couldn't be happier.

[Tony.OK]

Yep, I used 'em for a car and a set of race fairings for my bike, couldn't be happier.

A car? Shit its more like a scary monster with a steering wheel and sum seats :bleh:

[codgyoleracer]

I bet it's codgeoldracers idea because he is to chicken to ride a superbike:bleh:

I bet they are more reliable than Transit vans....... :-)

[tigertim20]

So give the twins a displacement advantage?
why?
they created BEARS so people on these kinds of bike could race didnt they?

if you want to race in te 600's. buy a fucking 600. dont buy a bike with 248 more cc's, then bitch that you want to race but cant - shoulda thought about that when you were looking for your bike.

Whats next? racing 400s in prolight because youd get spanked in F2? fuckoff

[carbonhed]

So give the twins a displacement advantage?
why?
they created BEARS so people on these kinds of bike could race didnt they?

if you want to race in te 600's. buy a fucking 600. dont buy a bike with 248 more cc's, then bitch that you want to race but cant - shoulda thought about that when you were looking for your bike.

Whats next? racing 400s in prolight because youd get spanked in F2? fuckoff

Fkin A.

And ten other characters.

[Cracker]

Meathead coments , just remember "This is good for the class" there is no machine advantage.

Bidrider are the agent for COPART in NZ. COPART are a greedy American corporation but can be conqured with some luck. Bidrider are very flexible and can do just about any transaction not related to COPART. I trust them.

[Tony.OK]

So give the twins a displacement advantage?
why?
they created BEARS so people on these kinds of bike could race didnt they?

if you want to race in te 600's. buy a fucking 600. dont buy a bike with 248 more cc's, then bitch that you want to race but cant - shoulda thought about that when you were looking for your bike.

Whats next? racing 400s in prolight because youd get spanked in F2? fuckoff

Bears ain't a National class.

SBK allows 1200cc + V twins already

Superlite/F3 allows 650 V twins

Supersport/F2 had already allowed 750 V twins, they don't make 'em anymore so am assuming this is natural progression.

And if they prove too good, they'll just restrict them in some form.
:niceone:

[Fast Eddie]

A car? Shit its more like a scary monster with a steering wheel and sum seats :bleh:

don't talk about his mrs like that, shes not that scary.

[carbonhed]

Meathead coments , just remember "This is good for the class" there is no machine advantage.



Doesn't matter how often I repeat that mantra I'll still think you're full of shit and with an axe to grind.

[Kickaha]

So give the twins a displacement advantage?


You do realise that even at WSBK level they did the same

If it puts a more varied mix of bikes on the grid then it's all good

[slowpoke]

So give the twins a displacement advantage?
why?
they created BEARS so people on these kinds of bike could race didnt they?

if you want to race in te 600's. buy a fucking 600. dont buy a bike with 248 more cc's, then bitch that you want to race but cant - shoulda thought about that when you were looking for your bike.

Whats next? racing 400s in prolight because youd get spanked in F2? fuckoff

Have a look in the MNZ rule book, I don't think you'll find a "the 600's" class. MNZ have created classes and a variety of bikes fit within those classes, now they are simply looking at extending that variety. As TonyOK says, 650 twins race against 450cc IL4's, 300cc 2 strokes in other classes so the more merrier I reckon.

If the 848 proves dominant then look at the problem, but don't knock it before it's even been tried. With our goat tracks I doubt the 848 will have much of an advantage if any over the more agile 600's.

Personally I'd extend the cc limit to 853 so a popular conversion of the old 748's can be included.

[Rodger96]

So give the twins a displacement advantage?
why?
they created BEARS so people on these kinds of bike could race didnt they?

if you want to race in te 600's. buy a fucking 600. dont buy a bike with 248 more cc's, then bitch that you want to race but cant - shoulda thought about that when you were looking for your bike.

Whats next? racing 400s in prolight because youd get spanked in F2? fuckoff


Whats the difference of the early ninties superbikes ducati vs inline four nothings changed! what about buell 1125r in f2 supersport in daytona,Itl be great to see some euro bikes in the mix.

[tigertim20]

You do realise that even at WSBK level they did the same

If it puts a more varied mix of bikes on the grid then it's all good

how is pandering to a manufacturer good?
if ducati wanted to race in those fields they should have made a 600 il4. or a V4. hell make a triple even, who cares what config they use.

its a matter on constant rule changes to allow people to do what ever they want rather than accept the rules, and race within in existing class.

[Tony.OK]

how is pandering to a manufacturer good?
if ducati wanted to race in those fields they should have made a 600 il4. or a V4. hell make a triple even, who cares what config they use.

its a matter on constant rule changes to allow people to do what ever they want rather than accept the rules, and race within in existing class.

So Triumph 675's should be excluded too?

Twins have pretty much always had a capacity advantage as they don't make the same HP, same reason the 675 is allowed, and the SV650 is in Superlite/F3.

More bikes on the grids at NZ Nationals can't be a bad thing?

The current rules say nothing about having to be a 600 I4, this proposed rule change only applies to Nats at the moment, clubs dont have to follow.
Supersport engine capacity:
501cc – 600cc 4-stroke 4 cylinders maximum
601cc – 675cc 4-stroke 3 cylinders maximum (including 750V twins)

[Drew]

Meathead coments , just remember "This is good for the class" there is no machine advantage.
Who the fuck are you? I ask because of the finality in your statement. How the fuck do you know there is no machine advantage? According to the literature, a pipe, filter, and ECU gets them huge gains in power.

Bears ain't a National class.


And if they prove too good, they'll just restrict them in some form.
:niceone:Then why not make B.E.A.rs a nationals class.

Oh yeah, MNZ are fuckin slow on the uptake bro, if these things are too good, they'll have advantage for three years minimum.




If it puts a more varied mix of bikes on the grid then it's all good
Why? Do all racers have to pay the price for Euro bikes not being able to compete on the same playing field?

I'm against the idea. If someone wants to compete, buy/build a bike that complies with the rules and go race it!

[Kickaha]

if ducati wanted to race in those fields they should have made a 600 il4. or a V4. hell make a triple even, who cares what config they use.
.
Why? It isn't nor has it ever been a class solely for 600/4 cylinder bikes

Then why not make B.E.A.rs a nationals class.
BEARs isn't a class it is a club with multiple classes but the Northern monkeys struggle to understand that and turned it into something else

I'm against the idea. If someone wants to compete, buy/build a bike that complies with the rules and go race it!
Fuck off Drew you crack head :finger: anything that gets more and varied bikes on the grid is good rather than a bunch of boring IL4 shitters that all look and sound the same

[Drew]

So Triumph 675's should be excluded too?

Twins have pretty much always had a capacity advantage as they don't make the same HP, same reason the 675 is allowed, and the SV650 is in Superlite/F3.

More bikes on the grids at NZ Nationals can't be a bad thing?

The current rules say nothing about having to be a 600 I4, this proposed rule change only applies to Nats at the moment, clubs dont have to follow.
Supersport engine capacity:
501cc – 600cc 4-stroke 4 cylinders maximum
601cc – 675cc 4-stroke 3 cylinders maximum (including 750V twins)
150cc should be plenty. If they don't make one, stiff fuckin shit Ducati lovers, go race superbike!

[Tony.OK]

150cc should be plenty. If they don't make one, stiff fuckin shit Ducati lovers, go race superbike!

Do you kiss your mum with that mouth? :bleh:
Ducati lover? Fuck that, I hate all bikes at the moment bro :msn-wink:

[Kickaha]

Ducati lover? Fuck that, :

Didn't Drew race one at some stage? or did he just spend all his time crashing it like all his other bikes?

[RDjase]

Bears ain't a National class.

SBK allows 1200cc + V twins already

Superlite/F3 allows 650 V twins

Supersport/F2 had already allowed 750 V twins, they don't make 'em anymore so am assuming this is natural progression.

And if they prove too good, they'll just restrict them in some form.
:niceone:

Superlite/F3 allows 750 2 valve aircooled twins too

[tigertim20]

So Triumph 675's should be excluded too?

Twins have pretty much always had a capacity advantage as they don't make the same HP, same reason the 675 is allowed, and the SV650 is in Superlite/F3.

More bikes on the grids at NZ Nationals can't be a bad thing?

The current rules say nothing about having to be a 600 I4, this proposed rule change only applies to Nats at the moment, clubs dont have to follow.
Supersport engine capacity:
501cc – 600cc 4-stroke 4 cylinders maximum
601cc – 675cc 4-stroke 3 cylinders maximum (including 750V twins)
I didnt say it should have to be an inline, just why don't they build a competitive 600?
The problem with it is that at the start, you have to design a class that has limits, so you dont have an S1000rr against a grid of VT250's, The idea is to set a boundary, and the best man within that boundary, wins.
As soon as you start to allow bikes that dont fit the rules, you ask where does it stop? it was a 600cc limit for the class, now theres an allowance for a twin up to 750, and fuckit, triumph made a weird ass bike, so we will make an allowance especially for a single bike on top of that.

It doesnt matter to me whether the class is limited by CC rating, or number of cylinders, or peak stock HP, or stock power to weight, what matters to me is that the rules are set, and you race to them. every single time you alter the rules for one person or one bike, you give everyone else the impression that they are entitled to have the rules extended for them too, the question is, if you keep altering the rules, and having different subsections of the rules for certain bikes, at what point does it end?
There are many many race classes out there already (whether national or not) you got street stock, prolight, pro twin, F1, F2, F3, bears classes and so on and so forth. So, maybe not every bike ever built fits into a class, but if you want to race, there are many, many classes, pick a class, and pick a bike that fits into the rules, end of story.

And yes, I think the triumph should be excluded, why? because allowing it sends a message that if a unique bike comes along, then we will bend the rules to accommodate it.


Then why not make B.E.A.rs a nationals class.

!

I wonder the same thing
The argument about it not being a nationals class, etc etc can be easily sorted by saying, well MAKE ONE then.
If there are all these unique bikes, why not make a new class to suit them?


As for whether I want as many bikes on the grid as possible, well yeah, I do, but you dont always get what you want.
You either want to race in a national class, and will race to those rules, or you dont - I dont see any point in constantly changing the rules every time some cunt says 'but i bought this bike and i want to play'.

[Fast Eddie]

lol don't forget to actually go race a bike tho fellas.. KB post counts do not count toward nationals

[gixerracer]

I didnt say it should have to be an inline, just why don't they build a competitive 600?
The problem with it is that at the start, you have to design a class that has limits, so you dont have an S1000rr against a grid of VT250's, The idea is to set a boundary, and the best man within that boundary, wins.
As soon as you start to allow bikes that dont fit the rules, you ask where does it stop? it was a 600cc limit for the class, now theres an allowance for a twin up to 750, and fuckit, triumph made a weird ass bike, so we will make an allowance especially for a single bike on top of that.

It doesnt matter to me whether the class is limited by CC rating, or number of cylinders, or peak stock HP, or stock power to weight, what matters to me is that the rules are set, and you race to them. every single time you alter the rules for one person or one bike, you give everyone else the impression that they are entitled to have the rules extended for them too, the question is, if you keep altering the rules, and having different subsections of the rules for certain bikes, at what point does it end?
There are many many race classes out there already (whether national or not) you got street stock, prolight, pro twin, F1, F2, F3, bears classes and so on and so forth. So, maybe not every bike ever built fits into a class, but if you want to race, there are many, many classes, pick a class, and pick a bike that fits into the rules, end of story.

And yes, I think the triumph should be excluded, why? because allowing it sends a message that if a unique bike comes along, then we will bend the rules to accommodate it.


I wonder the same thing
The argument about it not being a nationals class, etc etc can be easily sorted by saying, well MAKE ONE then.
If there are all these unique bikes, why not make a new class to suit them?


As for whether I want as many bikes on the grid as possible, well yeah, I do, but you dont always get what you want.
You either want to race in a national class, and will race to those rules, or you dont - I dont see any point in constantly changing the rules every time some cunt says 'but i bought this bike and i want to play'.

Its called evolution baby stop living witht the hand brake

[slowpoke]

You either want to race in a national class, and will race to those rules, or you dont - I dont see any point in constantly changing the rules every time some cunt says 'but i bought this bike and i want to play'.

Duuuuude, you got it ass backwards: MNZ are saying lets alter the capacity limits and maybe we'll see more/different bikes on the grid, and therefore put on a better show.....it's not a case of any 848 rider/racer asking for the rules to be changed.

Haha, and you're just gonna luuuuurve the new 130hp MV 675 ain'tcha?

Life is change brutha!

[tigertim20]

Duuuuude, you got it ass backwards: MNZ are saying lets alter the capacity limits and maybe we'll see more/different bikes on the grid, and therefore put on a better show.....it's not a case of any 848 rider/racer asking for the rules to be changed.

Haha, and you're just gonna luuuuurve the new 130hp MV 675 ain'tcha?

Life is change brutha!

doesnt the MV fit into bears along with the triumph, and every ducati ever built?

[Drew]

Didn't Drew race one at some stage? or did he just spend all his time crashing it like all his other bikes?I did race one. 2004 749R Ducati. And it would have been competitive too, when it was current. But four years after the fact, with Ducati not actually developing it anymore it got smoked power wise.

I think it was about 50/50 for finishes verses crashes by the way.

[Drew]

One more thing, the 848 qualifies for a class now. It's called superbike. Someone riding said bike in it isn't likely to win, but some folk round here seem to think that isn't what it's all about. I disagree.

[ajturbo]

oh shit.. i read every post...:bash:

[slowpoke]

Someone riding said bike in it isn't likely to win, but some folk round here seem to think that isn't what it's all about. I disagree.

So what, everyone who hasn't a hope in hell of winning should sell up and join the bowls club instead? Is that what you'll tell your kids, "if you can't win don't bother"? As far as financial advice regarding bike racing goes it's pretty good, but as far as a way to live life? Nah, so much.


doesnt the MV fit into bears along with the triumph, and every ducati ever built?

Ooooooh, I've just twigged to what you're getting at: fuck off the Jap 600's and run middleweight BEAR's as a National class instead? Now you're making sense! My apologies, the penny shoulda dropped sooner. You're totally correct, if the Japs can't make a competitive middleweight bike they should bugger off until they can eh?

[Drew]

So what, everyone who hasn't a hope in hell of winning should sell up and join the bowls club instead? Is that what you'll tell your kids, "if you can't win don't bother"? As far as financial advice regarding bike racing goes it's pretty good, but as far as a way to live life? Nah, so much.Not what I'm saying. I mean that if you don't even want to win, why race?




Ooooooh, I've just twigged to what you're getting at: fuck off the Jap 600's and run middleweight BEAR's as a National class instead? Now you're making sense! My apologies, the penny shoulda dropped sooner. You're totally correct, if the Japs can't make a competitive middleweight bike they should bugger off until they can eh?Now you're getting it. If any manufacturer doesn't make a bike capable of winning a class run around the world, then fuck anyone who buys it with the intension of racing and doing well.

[chrispy121]

so in superbike they are alowing the twins to go an extra 200cc above 1000 in line four.
how does that equate to 250cc extra in the 600 class?
does this mean for the same reason getting more bikes in the grid they will also let a gsxr750 in the class as this is also 130 hp???

Isnt there a v twins class?

[slowpoke]

Not what I'm saying. I mean that if you don't even want to win, why race?


True dat. If you don't want to win, even if it's just the race to the line with the guy in front of you then I doubt you can even call it "racing".

[Dreama]

I did race one. 2004 749R Ducati. And it would have been competitive too, when it was current. But four years after the fact, with Ducati not actually developing it anymore it got smoked power wise.

I think it was about 50/50 for finishes verses crashes by the way.

I normally just bite my tongue and scroll on when I read idiotic rants (refering to your earlier one) but you're a tad misguided Drew and that rave probably reflects your own bad experience with the Ducati you were racing.
I bought that pile of crap ..... you and your team are a big reason why that thing was not competitive.
Bent frame, non 749R triple clamps and without doubt the worst maintained racebike I have ever tinkered with for starters.

I will hand it to you though, you raced that thing hard considering how appalling it was.
But from a mechanical engineering perspective I can't even relate to what sort of mind a person has who races something as obviously flawed as that racebike was. Point the finger as much as you like, but maybe accepting some responsibility would be a more dignified attitude.

But you're correct about the power bit, they weren't/aren't as fast as the four cylinder engines which produce more power/cc than the V twins, which has been a pretty simple mechanical fact for quite sometime now ... quite a bit longer than the argument to include them in competitive race classes has been around I'd suspect.

But no matter, there's still going to be them that rant and rave about it but I'm just pleased, as a Ducati lover .. shock horrror ... that MNZ has used common sense and seen that this diversity could help entice a few more racers onto the grid.

[CHOPPA]

I think its a good idea to include the 848. Having ridden the 1198s in standard trim they dont have very good feel and id imagine the 848 has the same geometry. With the way that our supersport rules are I dont think even with the extra HP that you would have any advantage

[Kickaha]

I bought that pile of crap ..... you and your team are a big reason why that thing was not competitive.
Bent frame, .

It probably wasn't bent before Drew rode it though

[Dreama]

It probably wasn't bent before Drew rode it though

No, in fairness to Drew I think it probably was. It was imported bent and straightened here ... not very well I suspect.
Head stock measured 25.7 when I got it checked and it should have been 24.5 .... headstocks don't often bend outwards in race track incidents !

It must have been a pig to turn in .... that, not having the unique 749R triple clamp set up and substandard maintaince turned what should have been a fine race bike into a dog.

[CHOPPA]

No, in fairness to Drew I think it probably was. It was imported bent and straightened here ... not very well I suspect.
Head stock measured 25.7 when I got it checked and it should have been 24.5 .... headstocks don't often bend outwards in race track incidents !

It must have been a pig to turn in .... that, not having the unique 749R triple clamp set up and substandard maintaince turned what should have been a fine race bike into a dog.

Im pretty sure I saw Dobsy (RIP) riding that same bike very quick??

[Dreama]

Im pretty sure I saw Dobsy (RIP) riding that same bike very quick??

That was another bike the team had, previously ridden by Vicki.
Drew's one was dead by then.

[Biggles08]

how is pandering to a manufacturer good?
if ducati wanted to race in those fields they should have made a 600 il4. or a V4. hell make a triple even, who cares what config they use.

its a matter on constant rule changes to allow people to do what ever they want rather than accept the rules, and race within in existing class.

I wouldn't say this is 'pandering' but its worth noting that without manufactures support we would have no racing in NZ. Ducati is hardly going to design a bike to fit within the rules on NZ National Championship?! Part of the competitive spirit surely revolves around thinking outside the box for something new and unique. This is called progress. Look at Ozzy's 3 cylinder "ex" 600 IL4 competing in the F3 class....bloody magic in my opinion.

I personally think an 848 would have no advantage over a well tuned, well setup IL4 600...in fact I would hazzard a guess it would be disadvantaged...but we will never know until one is lining up next to us. Bring it on I say :headbang:

[SWERVE]

Go on Biggles.......be the one...... buy one
Then fit those strippers underwear.... that you call tyre warmers.................and commit the greatest fashion faux par in history:rolleyes:

[slowpoke]

Go on Biggles.......be the one......

Bloody hell, Biggles was Neo in "The Matrix"? Who knew...........?

[Drew]

To tell the truth, the bike turned in fine. The lack of feed back was the only problem I had with it. However, dropping the thing so often knocked my confidence so far down, that I didn't even question the bike. Instead I pigheadedly carried on trying to ride it fast. Had I told the team that there was something wrong with it, and we figured it out, they would have gladly got the thing sorted and we all would have enjoyed much better results.

[Tony.OK]

Bloody hell, Biggles was Neo in "The Matrix"? Who knew...........?
Nah he's waay too short!

To tell the truth, the bike turned in fine. The lack of feed back was the only problem I had with it. However, dropping the thing so often knocked my confidence so far down, that I didn't even question the bike. Instead I pigheadedly carried on trying to ride it fast. Had I told the team that there was something wrong with it, and we figured it out, they would have gladly got the thing sorted and we all would have enjoyed much better results.

You're getting too mature in your old age son :msn-wink:

[slowpoke]

You're getting too mature in your old age son :msn-wink:

Don't do it Drew! Growing up is waaaaaaaaay overrated.

[Drew]

You're getting too mature in your old age son :msn-wink:


Don't do it Drew! Growing up is waaaaaaaaay overrated.
I'll never grow up!

[Badjelly]

Ducati is hardly going to design a bike to fit within the rules on NZ National Championship?!

No, but they could have designed a bike to fit within the rules of the World Supersport Championship, which had a 750 limit for twins last time I looked. Or any of the other "600" production-based championships around the world.

Back when they replaced the 749 with the 848, some said they upped the capacity to avoid getting their ass kicked in World Supersport. If they're paying hard-to-get, why pander to them?

[Biggles08]

Go on Biggles.......be the one...... buy one
Then fit those strippers underwear.... that you call tyre warmers.................and commit the greatest fashion faux par in history:rolleyes:

If I did buy one I would fit some nice aftermarket wheels too and try to get the rule changed to allow that also....get MNZ to pander to me instead of Ducati :baby:

What are you talking about anyway Swerve...fashion Faux par??? ME?! Mate...trend setting is hard bloody work with people like you around I tell you!

[Biggles08]

Nah he's waay too short!
My height...that's what gave it away!??! :baby:

[Biggles08]

No, but they could have designed a bike to fit within the rules of the World Supersport Championship, which had a 750 limit for twins last time I looked. Or any of the other "600" production-based championships around the world.

Back when they replaced the 749 with the 848, some said they upped the capacity to avoid getting their ass kicked in World Supersport. If they're paying hard-to-get, why pander to them?

Back in 2005 or so, Kawasaki bought out a ZX6R 636 to compete in the "600" class to try to improve the mid range of the engine...that was allowed to race in the AMA and other international championships but (correct me if I'm wrong here) never was allowed to race here in NZ. The point is, every championship class around the world "make up" rules based on the local population and requirements...If someone here has put in a request for a rule change because they want to race a 848 and if it doesn't appear (at first glance - yet to be determined here in NZ of course) to have any on track performance advantage, I say bring it on...more diversity on the track the better! As has already been mentioned there is an MV floating about in the background that IS legal with the current rules that is spouted to have 130RWHP off the floor!!!...what if I bought one of them instead and raced it! Boyyyyaaaaa!

(I know I know Drew...I'd still be slow and get my arse kicked)

[Maido]

Back in 2005 or so, Kawasaki bought out a ZX6R 636 to compete in the "600" class to try to improve the mid range of the engine...that was allowed to race in the AMA and other international championships but (correct me if I'm wrong here) never was allowed to race here in NZ. The point is, every championship class around the world "make up" rules based on the local population and requirements...If someone here has put in a request for a rule change because they want to race a 848 and if it doesn't appear (at first glance - yet to be determined here in NZ of course) to have any on track performance advantage, I say bring it on...more diversity on the track the better! As has already been mentioned there is an MV floating about in the background that IS legal with the current rules that is spouted to have 130RWHP off the floor!!!...what if I bought one of them instead and raced it! Boyyyyaaaaa!

(I know I know Drew...I'd still be slow and get my arse kicked)

just to correct you, the 636 didn't race anywhere in the 600 class. Kawasuckme also realesed a ZX6RR at the same time, it was a 600 with race cams etc, it was in limited numbers but still fit the 600 class. Hepburn rode one, and I think Derek McAdam? Beck got one and it had oodles of power compared to my Honda of the time.

[tigertim20]

I wouldn't say this is 'pandering' but its worth noting that without manufactures support we would have no racing in NZ. Ducati is hardly going to design a bike to fit within the rules on NZ National Championship?! Part of the competitive spirit surely revolves around thinking outside the box for something new and unique. This is called progress. Look at Ozzy's 3 cylinder "ex" 600 IL4 competing in the F3 class....bloody magic in my opinion.

I personally think an 848 would have no advantage over a well tuned, well setup IL4 600...in fact I would hazzard a guess it would be disadvantaged...but we will never know until one is lining up next to us. Bring it on I say :headbang:
The Ozzy 3 cyl thing is the rider going out of THEIR way to fit the rules, what we are talking about here is the opposite, asking the rules to be changed to fit the rider/bike

No, but they could have designed a bike to fit within the rules of the World Supersport Championship, which had a 750 limit for twins last time I looked. Or any of the other "600" production-based championships around the world.

Back when they replaced the 749 with the 848, some said they upped the capacity to avoid getting their ass kicked in World Supersport. If they're paying hard-to-get, why pander to them?
pretty much

[Kickaha]

what we are talking about here is the opposite, asking the rules to be changed to fit the rider/bike

Which is something that has been done in every class of Motorcycle racing since it began

[scott411]

just to correct you, the 636 didn't race anywhere in the 600 class. Kawasuckme also realesed a ZX6RR at the same time, it was a 600 with race cams etc, it was in limited numbers but still fit the 600 class. Hepburn rode one, and I think Derek McAdam? Beck got one and it had oodles of power compared to my Honda of the time.

your correct, from 03-06 kawasaki made a 636 for the road, and a 600 for the track, they went back to just one model in 07,

[Biggles08]

your correct, from 03-06 kawasaki made a 636 for the road, and a 600 for the track, they went back to just one model in 07,

My mistake...dully spanked. :spanking:

They looked the same at least!

[gixerracer]

just to correct you, the 636 didn't race anywhere in the 600 class. Kawasuckme also realesed a ZX6RR at the same time, it was a 600 with race cams etc, it was in limited numbers but still fit the 600 class. Hepburn rode one, and I think Derek McAdam? Beck got one and it had oodles of power compared to my Honda of the time.

Just to correct you. Sloan Frost raced his 636 in the Nationals at least at Pukekohe back in maybe 06. Correct me if im wrong Choppa:innocent::facepalm:

[Drew]

Just to correct you. Sloan Frost raced his 636 in the Nationals at least at Pukekohe back in maybe 06. Correct me if im wrong Choppa:innocent::facepalm:
There is also some suggestion that Jay lawrence's bike was a 636 at one point, but he swears it wasn't.


Doesn't really matter, the 636 motor is less suited to racing anyway.

[Biggles08]

There is also some suggestion that Jay lawrence's bike was a 636 at one point, but he swears it wasn't.


Doesn't really matter, the 636 motor is less suited to racing anyway.

Meh...Skatchel was always racing a 750cc GSXR too didn't you hear? :shit:

[gixerracer]

Meh...Skatchel was always racing a 750cc GSXR too didn't you hear? :shit:

Only at Manfeild rounds it would seem:yes:

[Biggles08]

Only at Manfeild rounds it would seem:yes:

yeah it was his purple bike...that was obviously not a 600cc machine!