Help me choose between these two please

[rooney111]

New biker, nil to min experience. Looking fore a bike to learn and gain confidence riding. also cheap commuting you work and back.

www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=473585871 - bottom dollar 2.2k

www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=468884133 - 2.8k

Which one would suit me and better deal/ resale value just in case I find riding is not my thing.

[nathanwhite]

the two bikes will handle and feel very different to each other. Have you sat on either? or at least sat on a naked and a cruiser in a dealership? You might find the cruiser style is not for you, but the more sporty (I use the term loosely ok?) hyo is just the thing.

resale? no idea sorry.

I would however recommend you spend less on a bike and more on good quality gear. As long as it doesn't have any mechanical problems that is.

[unstuck]

I would go the hyosung if it was me, the other one would need shipping from wanaka, and the hyo looks to be in better condition. Good luck.:confused:

[Madness]

I'd go the Hyobag. It's gayness is less by a miniscule amount.

[Akzle]

i will not support the chinese for at least another 10-15 years (when they're proven themselves) that said, plenty of people have ridden them (quite hard) and found few faults.

i also will not support a GN. although that engine is only just broken in and, if you look after it, you can pass on to your boring grandchildren you'll have since you're probably not going to kill yourself on it, but nor will it be much fun once you have got the hang of it.

it will depend on what you want out of a bike, if you think you're going to be a badass gimp-clad racer then go for the hyo sports style, although personally i prefer the more upright riding position of that 'zuki style. - it's also more forgiving if SHTF.

of those two bikes the hyo takes my vote by a whisker.
of ANY bike, i'd be talking more kawasaki ninja or an older vintage (my first bike ++ =D ) or a cb hornet , fzr/tzr 250 OR wait until the power-weight laws come in and get yourself a 400 or something, which can be more comforting for larger folk.

get some mates and get some saddle time, find out what you like and dont like and take it from there.

[Tigadee]

Rooney111 - What are you like physically? Tall? Short? Beefy? Slim?

The GZ250 would suit you if you were short, and were not physically strong to manhandle the bike in case it fell over. The GZ's lower centre of gravity would make it easier to manager and steer. The upright seating posture is more comfortable for puttering around town, and the leg position [feet in front] is comfortable for the long-legged. I ride a cruiser like this and it should be a good first/learner bike. Naked cruisers like this though make you open to the wind, so the motorway the wind can buffet you and the upright seating position actually works against you unless you get a wind screen/shield.

The GT250 is a taller heavy machine. Its V-twin engine gives good get up and go till the 110kph limit, then it struggles. I've ridden a GT250 and while it was tall enough for my 6' 1" frame, it was cramped in terms of leg room/posture, which is why I didn't like it - that and the fact that it was heavy and was really hard to get up once it fell over. It's weight is an advantage in strong windy conditions though. If that's not for you, then have a good think about it.

If you're a large fella - if you're a fella - then you may want to consider applying for an exemption from NZTA to the 250cc limit. I managed to get one and got a Yamaha XJ400 Diversion, slightly large than your average 250cc bike and heaps more comfortable. If you're short or average-height, then ignore that last sentence - the 250cc world is your oyster...

[tigertim20]

New biker, nil to min experience. Looking fore a bike to learn and gain confidence riding. also cheap commuting you work and back.

trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=473585871 - bottom dollar 2.2k

trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=468884133 - 2.8k

Which one would suit me and better deal/ resale value just in case I find riding is not my thing.

we need more info mate, how tall are you, how much do you weigh, where do you livem what type of riding will you do? commute? weekend hoons? where will this riding be? around town? motorway riding?

we need this kind of info to help guide you, but ultimately, you will need to try them, or at least sit on them to make your final decision, bikes are very personal.

[Nzpure]

i will not support the chinese for at least another 10-15 years (when they're proven themselves) that said

You're an idiot.....its not a chinese bike.....

Go the hyobag mate, the marauder will be gutless in comparison and the naked hyobags riding position isn't bad and you will have heaps more fun it!

[SMOKEU]

New biker, nil to min experience. Looking fore a bike to learn and gain confidence riding. also cheap commuting you work and back.

trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=473585871 - bottom dollar 2.2k

trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=468884133 - 2.8k

Which one would suit me and better deal/ resale value just in case I find riding is not my thing.

Next time you should post the full links so we don't have to copy and paste.

[darkwolf]

Go around the dealers and see what suits you in terms of seating etc. I bought a VTR250 (cos I like 'em nekkid) and loved it. I tried riding a friend's Yamaha Virago (250 V-Twin) (similar style to the Marauder) on a roadtrip and decided after 15 minutes that I just didn't like it - I felt like my limbs were just all over the place. But it had nice low down torque (compared to the VTR) and a nice sound, it just lacked anything up top. On the other hand, my mate didn't really like the riding position of the VTR and was glad to get back on his vagina :Pokey:

In fact, I don't know your situation but if you want to someone to go around a few shops with flick me a PM, sometimes it's good to be able to talk through the bike with someone else.

[unstuck]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-472815478.htm :msn-wink::Punk:

[Nzpure]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-472815478.htm :msn-wink::Punk:

It looks so weird tho...

[rooney111]

we need more info mate, how tall are you, how much do you weigh, where do you livem what type of riding will you do? commute? weekend hoons? where will this riding be? around town? motorway riding?

we need this kind of info to help guide you, but ultimately, you will need to try them, or at least sit on them to make your final decision, bikes are very personal.


173cm, 73kg, chch, primarily looking to get to work and back. But first and foremost need to learn riding. Most of riding will be normal road with about 10mins on motorway everyday. Tried the comet and its big but not too big. I see what you mean by being heavy and suits taller people. I'm really torn between a cruiser and naked comet.

Don't want too heavy just in case if I cant lift it back up, but do not want too light for it to get too dangerous on windy conditions. I do lift at the gym so hoping to make use of the strength lols ;)

[rooney111]

Rooney111 - What are you like physically? Tall? Short? Beefy? Slim?

The GZ250 would suit you if you were short, and were not physically strong to manhandle the bike in case it fell over. The GZ's lower centre of gravity would make it easier to manager and steer. The upright seating posture is more comfortable for puttering around town, and the leg position [feet in front] is comfortable for the long-legged. I ride a cruiser like this and it should be a good first/learner bike. Naked cruisers like this though make you open to the wind, so the motorway the wind can buffet you and the upright seating position actually works against you unless you get a wind screen/shield.

The GT250 is a taller heavy machine. Its V-twin engine gives good get up and go till the 110kph limit, then it struggles. I've ridden a GT250 and while it was tall enough for my 6' 1" frame, it was cramped in terms of leg room/posture, which is why I didn't like it - that and the fact that it was heavy and was really hard to get up once it fell over. It's weight is an advantage in strong windy conditions though. If that's not for you, then have a good think about it.

If you're a large fella - if you're a fella - then you may want to consider applying for an exemption from NZTA to the 250cc limit. I managed to get one and got a Yamaha XJ400 Diversion, slightly large than your average 250cc bike and heaps more comfortable. If you're short or average-height, then ignore that last sentence - the 250cc world is your oyster...

I'm short and not beefy but not puny either. Okay thats just the manpride talking, I wouldn't have a clue. Next time I go check out a bike I will try manhandle it and see how successful I am.

You actually sold me there with the GZ250 description, that is exactly what I want from a bike, but being light weight in wind is a little concern. From what I've gathered comet gt250 is actually not a bad first learners bike? And no I won't have to go over 110km/h and I don't wish to at this stage.

Haha @ the 'if you're a fella'. Dude don't play with another man's ego its dangerous lols!

[unstuck]

Haha @ the 'if you're a fella'. Dude don't play with another man's ego its dangerous lols!

Not as dangerous as playing with another mans bits.:eek:

[Nzpure]

I'm short and not beefy but not puny either. Okay thats just the manpride talking, I wouldn't have a clue. Next time I go check out a bike I will try manhandle it and see how successful I am.

You actually sold me there with the GZ250 description, that is exactly what I want from a bike, but being light weight in wind is a little concern. From what I've gathered comet gt250 is actually not a bad first learners bike? And no I won't have to go over 110km/h and I don't wish to at this stage.

Haha @ the 'if you're a fella'. Dude don't play with another man's ego its dangerous lols!

I learnt on a gt250r, Best little big bike i ever rode and still wish i had it. its heavier then most sport bikes but it felt light and flickable and really forgiving. mind you for your size maybe a ninja or a cbr? Depends if you want a layed back cruiser or a sportier bike.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-473645348.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-472805537.htm - o yeaaaaaaa
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-475725517.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-475599986.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-474305242.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-470153311.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-469573992.htm - lol at the windshield ahahah
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-453909095.htm

[Tigadee]

I'm short and not beefy but not puny either. Next time I go check out a bike I will try manhandle it and see how successful I am.

Yeah, with the side stand down (on the left hand side) and bike upright, stand on the opposite/right hand side of the bike.

Grip the handlebar and front brake lever, put your left hip to the tank and start to slowly lean it over. You can judge how light or heavy a bike is for picking up.


You actually sold me there with the GZ250 description, that is exactly what I want from a bike, but being light weight in wind is a little concern. From what I've gathered comet gt250 is actually not a bad first learners bike? And no I won't have to go over 110km/h and I don't wish to at this stage.

Cruisers normally have a lower centre of gravity, which makes them also stable, so wind shouldn't be a problem.

The Comet's a good bike, it's not a road rocket and easy enough to ride, just heavy (both the bike and my 110kgs on top) which was a concern for me. Mine had fallen over twice and I found it very difficult to pick back up, and I'm not a scrawny fella - although I concede I may just not have been used to it yet. Riding position of the Comet (leaning forward, bent knees) is well suited for motorway while the cruiser-types need a wind sheild for motorway because of the wind pushing you back at an already upright feet-forward position.


Haha @ the 'if you're a fella'. Dude don't play with another man's ego its dangerous lols!

Sorry, just couldn't tell from your name... Rooney111? :msn-wink:

But you work out, so that will help with both handling the bike and also riding stamina as the first things you'll notice when you start riding is your wrists and back will feel strained. That's normal and over time you'll get used to it, but a strong core (stomach and back muscles) helps a lot.

BTW, in terms of resale value, it's hard to say as they are two different bikes. The red newer Hyo will appeal to younger/taller/sporty riders, the brandnamed Suzuki to more matured/shorter/relaxed and quite a few female riders.

[Tigadee]

I learnt on a gt250r, Best little big bike i ever rode and still wish i had it. its heavier then most sport bikes but it felt light and flickable and really forgiving. mind you for your size maybe a ninja or a cbr?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-472805537.htm - o yeaaaaaaa

Dude's budget looks to be about $2-3K.... :laugh:


also cheap commuting you work and back.
trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=473585871 - bottom dollar 2.2k
trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=468884133 - 2.8k

[Akzle]

You're an idiot.....its not a chinese bike.....
fucken charming, you are. bet your mum's real proud.


i use the term "chinese" roughly how many people would use "asiatic" although i do not include the japanese or the innuit.
so when i say chinese i do mean every mongol between the russian border and the pacific, down to the north coast of australia.
indian, malaysian, thai, mandarins or oranges - i give not a shit.

the governance, labour laws, quality control standards and level of industrialisation is roughly equal across the range.

since becoming an independent manufacturer (having stolen the japanese's ideas and designs, but lacking their understanding) i believe that the quality of hyos has declined, probably more due to material quality than inherent design faults, there's also a vast difference in engineering-think between a scooter designed to carry a family of 7 in rush hour traffic, and sports bike.

It is still a common fault (not sure if hyo specifically are guilty) that they still operate on a tender basis, which means while they're all assembled in the same factory, and that factory will carry spares for a while, the manufacturers of each individual component have no liability to the end user, and they get the job because they can produce the parts the cheapest. so your "hyosung" branded bike may be assembled from 50 different factories -the wheel factory, the cable factory, the plastic factory, the tank factory, the left-pedal factory and the right-pedal factory, the frame factory etc, etc.

but cheers for raising that point, all be it in an arrogant way.

[ellipsis]

fucken charming, you are. bet your mum's real proud.


i use the term "chinese" roughly how many people would use "asiatic" although i do not include the japanese or the innuit.
so when i say chinese i do mean every mongol between the russian border and the pacific, down to the north coast of australia.
indian, malaysian, thai, mandarins or oranges - i give not a shit.

the governance, labour laws, quality control standards and level of industrialisation is roughly equal across the range.

since becoming an independent manufacturer (having stolen the japanese's ideas and designs, but lacking their understanding) i believe that the quality of hyos has declined, probably more due to material quality than inherent design faults, there's also a vast difference in engineering-think between a scooter designed to carry a family of 7 in rush hour traffic, and sports bike.

It is still a common fault (not sure if hyo specifically are guilty) that they still operate on a tender basis, which means while they're all assembled in the same factory, and that factory will carry spares for a while, the manufacturers of each individual component have no liability to the end user, and they get the job because they can produce the parts the cheapest. so your "hyosung" branded bike may be assembled from 50 different factories -the wheel factory, the cable factory, the plastic factory, the tank factory, the left-pedal factory and the right-pedal factory, the frame factory etc, etc.

but cheers for raising that point, all be it in an arrogant way.


...you sir are a fucking twat...for no other reason than, thats what you are...

[bogan]

Grip the handlebar and front brake lever, put your left hip to the tank and start to slowly lean it over. You can judge how light or heavy a bike is for picking up.

Sounds like a good way to get a smack from the seller <_< The dude is 73kg, its a 250, even a hyo should be easy enough to pick up :yes:

I'd probably go for the hyo (if I had a gun to my head and had to chose one from this bottom of the barrel selection :shit:), bit more sporty, bit better handling etc. Yes the hyos have a bad rep, and yes I think it is at least partially justified, but it is a 4 year old bike for 3k, so thats a point in its favour.

[Tigadee]

Sounds like a good way to get a smack from the seller <_< The dude is 73kg, its a 250, even a hyo should be easy enough to pick up

LOL

Fair enough, I guess I was just not used to the bike at that time...

[Asher]

It really comes down to what you want to do with the bike.
If its only commuting go for whatever is the most comfortable and fuel efficient.
If you plan on commuting and going for a blast through the hills in the weekend the hyo would be more fun or any other sporty bikes.

Remember it takes awhile to get to your full license so look for a bike that will meet your needs till then, not just right now.

PS i wouldnt be too worried about not being able to pick the bike up, your not going to drop it very often and when you do people are normally happy to help lift it if you cant do it by yourself.

[Akzle]

...you sir are a fucking twat...for no other reason than, thats what you are...
i'll see your child-minded reply, and raise you an "eat a dick, i could hardly care less what if you think"

[ellipsis]

a negative blanket statement covering a somewhat massive area of the planet and its population deserves nothing more than a negative bit of shit in reply... twat...

[Str8 Jacket]

a negative blanket statement covering a somewhat massive area of the planet and its population deserves nothing more than a negative bit of shit in reply... twat...

In this case his reputation precedes him.... ;)

[tigertim20]

173cm, 73kg, chch, primarily looking to get to work and back. But first and foremost need to learn riding. Most of riding will be normal road with about 10mins on motorway everyday. Tried the comet and its big but not too big. I see what you mean by being heavy and suits taller people. I'm really torn between a cruiser and naked comet.

Don't want too heavy just in case if I cant lift it back up, but do not want too light for it to get too dangerous on windy conditions. I do lift at the gym so hoping to make use of the strength lols ;)

OK so youre a fair way shorter than me, you have as options a virago, a aquila, a GT, a GTR, a GPX, a new ninja, a Hornet, a Bandit, a VT, a VTR, a Xanthus, a Zeal, and thats just off the top of my head. You could throw the GN in there if you want, but they are an awful bike.

all of those would be fine for what you intend to do, so you have a few options

[Tigadee]

I'm short and not beefy but not puny either. Okay thats just the manpride talking, I wouldn't have a clue. Next time I go check out a bike I will try manhandle it and see how successful I am.

For your budget. I think is quite suitable:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-475832806.htm

[Nzpure]

fucken charming, you are. bet your mum's real proud.


i use the term "chinese" roughly how many people would use "asiatic" although i do not include the japanese or the innuit.
so when i say chinese i do mean every mongol between the russian border and the pacific, down to the north coast of australia.
indian, malaysian, thai, mandarins or oranges - i give not a shit.

the governance, labour laws, quality control standards and level of industrialisation is roughly equal across the range.

since becoming an independent manufacturer (having stolen the japanese's ideas and designs, but lacking their understanding) i believe that the quality of hyos has declined, probably more due to material quality than inherent design faults, there's also a vast difference in engineering-think between a scooter designed to carry a family of 7 in rush hour traffic, and sports bike.

It is still a common fault (not sure if hyo specifically are guilty) that they still operate on a tender basis, which means while they're all assembled in the same factory, and that factory will carry spares for a while, the manufacturers of each individual component have no liability to the end user, and they get the job because they can produce the parts the cheapest. so your "hyosung" branded bike may be assembled from 50 different factories -the wheel factory, the cable factory, the plastic factory, the tank factory, the left-pedal factory and the right-pedal factory, the frame factory etc, etc.

but cheers for raising that point, all be it in an arrogant way.

You sir, Are an ignorant idiot. Asiatic would have been more accurate. Although japanese should be excluded. However it does not change that fact your and ignorant igit.

[Akzle]

my above statement stands. if anyone wants to bring facts or constructive discussion to the table, feel free.

[bogan]

my above statement stands. if anyone wants to bring facts or constructive discussion to the table, feel free.

Well, stands is a it of a stretch, flops around the floor like a fish out of water is perhaps more accurate. Is Korean rubbish really that much harder to say than Chinese rubbish?

[arkeo]

Since you said that your riding experience is poor, if I were you I'd choose the less depreciable one. If I am right (because I am not sure to have understood NZ rules) beginners can't ride over 250 cc, so it is likely that you will change the bike as soon as you will allowed to do. Furthermore, Marauder seems to be a "niche" bike, a bit less versatile than Hyosung. I never rode both, so I can't share a grounded judgment but I am sure that 250 cc may become quickly a great constraint :shifty: As a side note, Hyosung is not a Chinese firm - is Korean. Generally speaking, Korean people are close to Japaneses in several respects - they share seriousness and other qualities that end in an industrial artifact, so I would not be so worried if I liked that bike.

cheers!

Apx.

[Fast Eddie]

i will not support the chinese for at least another 10-15 years (when they're proven themselves) that said, plenty of people have ridden them (quite hard) and found few faults.

i also will not support a GN.... it won't be much fun once you have got the hang of it.



LOL :laugh: you must not know how to ride them.. all bikes are fun, the soft small bikes give me the biggest laugh. W.O.T. - never let up, let it do its thing while you laugh and bounce around. hilarious

[ellipsis]

my above statement stands. if anyone wants to bring facts or constructive discussion to the table, feel free.



...stands where...round the corner with the rest of the unsound opinions , hoisted on us by twats...


...opinions, like arseholes, we all have them...and we should stand and accept a kicking for posting them because this is the ether man, and you're on it, fuck it..............twat...

[Fast Eddie]

The red newer Hyo will appeal to ... sporty riders...

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
nah im sure they are fine - its just like saying the gym will appeal to the obese population. it just doesnt, not to the true eaters who love their food and hate exercising.

does this analogy work? is this even an analogy..

where am I..

[Fast Eddie]

my above statement stands couldn't stand on its on two feet. if anyone wants to bring facts or constructive discussion to the table, feel free. I'm coming out of the closet. 1...2...3..

ah - I feel much better now.

Eddie the Internet Hero!

[GrayWolf]

To the Original Poster
I am often amused by the constant 'slagging' Hyobuckets receive here. To put things into a little more perspective. Hyo basically produce 2 sizes of bike 250 and 650. I also realise they have just upgraded the 650 cruiser to a 700cc, but as this is not the engine version 99% of us have any knowledge about on the road, I have left it out! (just before some smartarse points it out :laugh:).... The JAPANESE still make bikes that have faults, some have had possible serious defects that can affect brakes and frame components, besides 'design faults' in the engine componentry. What gets 'lost' is that a particular model (example my MT-01) is lost among the plethora of bikes of various capacities and styles manufactured by Yamaha. The issue that could have had a catastrophic end was the dog bone on the rear suspension. In the UK I believe they had a couple of failures of this component due to the salt used on the roads weakening the material and it cracked. The rear swing arm also had to be beefed up due to the huge amount of torque and 'power pulses' of a big V twin. Really these are 2 HUGE design faults but, the bikes were recalled and problem fixed.
Now I know and could list at least one bike made by each manufacturer (japanese) that has had some form of design/mechanical issue in the last 5 years...
So as much as Hyobag's get hammered over production quality... this also needs to be tempered with the knowledge even the mighty japanese , oh and triumph AND Hardly Rideable's, and Moto Guzzi, and Ducati....... get the idea???
With your height possibly the Hyo could be a bit tall, but as its a 'standard' machine it could be possible to drop the forks and rear suspension a little... worth asking about at a dealer/workshop for hyo's////

[Akzle]

Generally speaking, Korean people are close to Japaneses in several respects - they share seriousness and other qualities that end in an industrial artifact,
you really believe they're at the point of manufacturing artifacts? i just don't believe this.. and won't until i see the proof -- longevity.
i'm open to being proved wrong on it, but that'll take about 10 years. they've only been doing proper "sports bikes" since about 2005, the company as it exists today has only been around since 2007.


Is Korean rubbish really that much harder to say than Chinese rubbish?no it's not, but as i explained above 'chinese', for the sake of this argument and as far as i'm concerned, covers that whole region, for the reasons explained above.

[Tigadee]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
nah im sure they are fine - its just like saying the gym will appeal to the obese population. it just doesnt

Heh! Heh! Well, it's looks like a nekkid sports bike, so learners who are so inclined towards 'sporty' bikes (notice I didn't say "sports bike") might consider the Comet...

[GSF]

Don't want too heavy just in case if I cant lift it back up, but do not want too light for it to get too dangerous on windy conditions. I do lift at the gym so hoping to make use of the strength lols ;)

Picking up a dropped bike by yourself is a really useful thing to learn, you probably will have to do it at some point. It's all about technique, strength is not really an issue.

I can't really describe it, but just look up a clip on Youtube, search "how to lift dropped bike" or something. There's one demonstrating the proper technique where a very small and slim American lady puts a fully-laden Electra Glide back upright without any major strain.

[rooney111]

Picking up a dropped bike by yourself is a really useful thing to learn, you probably will have to do it at some point. It's all about technique, strength is not really an issue.

I can't really describe it, but just look up a clip on Youtube, search "how to lift dropped bike" or something. There's one demonstrating the proper technique where a very small and slim American lady puts a fully-laden Electra Glide back upright without any major strain.



Now that's something!!

[Tigadee]

This one by Jerry the Motorman is also good, with excellent tips for when the bike falls on either side:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeLkrPkjimo

[Maha]

This one by Jerry the Motorman is also good, with excellent tips for when the bike falls on either side:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeLkrPkjimo&feature=player_detailpage


This is best of the best of how to pick up a bike!....:laugh:



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[GrayWolf]

you really believe they're at the point of manufacturing artifacts? i just don't believe this.. and won't until i see the proof -- longevity.
i'm open to being proved wrong on it, but that'll take about 10 years. they've only been doing proper "sports bikes" since about 2005, the company as it exists today has only been around since 2007.

no it's not, but as i explained above 'chinese', for the sake of this argument and as far as i'm concerned, covers that whole region, for the reasons explained above.

What you seem to be forgetting, or maybe didn't know, was there was a period of 'tie up' between Hyosung and Suzuki on engine development around the SV650 beginnings. So Hyo had a flying head start in some respects. As I pointed out the Japanese STILL get it wrong at times.... Now would you like a few of us old buggers to start listing the issues and bad designs, even terrible/catastrophic failures of the japanese manufacturers when they first started massive volume sales worldwide?

[Crisis management]

Another vote for the Hyosung, I got one for my son to learn on and it was perfect, looks like a real bike, easy to ride and reliable, what's not to like?
I've ridden and maintained it it's no different to jap bikes of 20 years ago and it is fun to ride, fast enough on the road, capable on the track (Taupo) ad dirt cheap to fix if you do have a lie down.
If you're concerned by sporting pretensions look at how they perform in the Hyosung cup (local Hyosung 250 road race class).

Ignore the doom merchants, find a well maintained one and enjoy.


(remember it's your first bike, not your dream bike, just get riding and learn)

[Akzle]

and we get to the crux of the issue.. but I'm not arguing with you about any of that, actually GW.
Hyo used to manufacture for the Japs, but i would put Hyosung now, in terms of production, about where the japs were in the early-mid 80s, before they'd developed their product to a point where the world could trust them, and completely undercut the foreign manufacturers. I've no doubt the chinese (the actual chinese, and the rest) will get to this point, as the west as been abusing their labor laws for quite a while, and they're starting to pick up manufacturing contracts for themselves. but still. my pick is about 10 years down the line...

[arkeo]

you really believe they're at the point of manufacturing artifacts? i just don't believe this.. and won't until i see the proof -- longevity.
i'm open to being proved wrong on it, but that'll take about 10 years. they've only been doing proper "sports bikes" since about 2005, the company as it exists today has only been around since 2007.

no it's not, but as i explained above 'chinese', for the sake of this argument and as far as i'm concerned, covers that whole region, for the reasons explained above.

Of course you are right about longevity as for the real yardstick. As for the consequences you get from that, my opinion is different and I believe that Koreans got on average a good level in industrial quality. This doesn't mean that their products are always perfect. Hyousung bike could be a rip-off, it is possible even if I believe unlikely. What I meant in my previous post is something like the following. If I were forced to buy 1000 Korean items or 1000 Chinese items I would choose the first batch because the nature of the people is different and the character affect what they do almost in every aspect of life. Every people has good and bad qualities, there is no point denying that... All this is not to say that Chinese are bad people - simply that for several reasons reliability is not what I believe to be their best quality :shifty: at present.

Maybe my answer is biased - Chinese goods are flooding Italian markets and the less I can say is that many Italians are not too enthusiast. Maybe. The only way to know something real and well grounded is to look at the statistics of the failures, based on well collected data. I do not know if any available.

cheers!

Apx.

[DR650gary]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/auction-476423909.htm

May be a bit pricey for you but it will give you some fun.

[GTRMAN]

Well, stands is a it of a stretch, flops around the floor like a fish out of water is perhaps more accurate. Is Korean rubbish really that much harder to say than Chinese rubbish?



fucken charming, you are. bet your mum's real proud.


i use the term "chinese" roughly how many people would use "asiatic" although i do not include the japanese or the innuit.
so when i say chinese i do mean every mongol between the russian border and the pacific, down to the north coast of australia.
indian, malaysian, thai, mandarins or oranges - i give not a shit.

the governance, labour laws, quality control standards and level of industrialisation is roughly equal across the range.

since becoming an independent manufacturer (having stolen the japanese's ideas and designs, but lacking their understanding) i believe that the quality of hyos has declined, probably more due to material quality than inherent design faults, there's also a vast difference in engineering-think between a scooter designed to carry a family of 7 in rush hour traffic, and sports bike.

It is still a common fault (not sure if hyo specifically are guilty) that they still operate on a tender basis, which means while they're all assembled in the same factory, and that factory will carry spares for a while, the manufacturers of each individual component have no liability to the end user, and they get the job because they can produce the parts the cheapest. so your "hyosung" branded bike may be assembled from 50 different factories -the wheel factory, the cable factory, the plastic factory, the tank factory, the left-pedal factory and the right-pedal factory, the frame factory etc, etc.

but cheers for raising that point, all be it in an arrogant way.


...you sir are a fucking twat...for no other reason than, thats what you are...



i'll see your child-minded reply, and raise you an "eat a dick, i could hardly care less what if you think"



my above statement stands. if anyone wants to bring facts or constructive discussion to the table, feel free.

How about, Akzle got caught talking out of a hole in his arse yet again and tried to cover it with some psychobabble... oh, ah, um, what I meant was.....

Meh

[Akzle]

How about, Akzle got caught talking out of a hole in his arse yet again and tried to cover it with some psychobabble... oh, ah, um, what I meant was.....

Meh

are you post-stalking me?

you have far too much time on your hands.

that doesn't even make sense. muppet.

[tbs]

are you post-stalking me?


Not just him.
You are being watched as a "person of interest." Some of us are charged with the duty of keeping you talking..........:Police:

[Akzle]

Some of us are charged with the duty of keeping you talking..........:Police:



you have far too much time on your hands.
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[Old Steve]

May to July, don't know if you are still looking rooney111. There's been no update from you if you've bought a bike or not.

My choice would be a Hyosung, I'm 173 cm and I did my 6L and 6R on a Hyosung (24,000 km in all over 20 months), but I did it on a GV250 - the cruiser - which I found much easier to ride because of it's lower centre of gravity and lower seat height. It only weighs 168 kg (dry) so it's pretty easy to lift in case of ...

Hyosung actually manufactured Suzukis under licence for 20 years, thats why the GV250 has the same Suzuki Intruder glitch in the gear box which makes it hard to get neutral when the engine is running. Also, Hyosung NZ have a lot of spares, I think they claim that 95% of spares are despatched overnight.