Simplifying the rule book?

[FROSTY]

Im throwing an idea out there to you folks. --Its an idea only so I wont be rabidly defending it.
How about if some bright spark works through the MNZ rule book and takes out all the class specific rules and rules with NO application to the road race scene be that track or actual road.
leave in the rules of conduct. Flags and their meaning.machine standards for all road race bikes-ie number size scrutineering standards DBA level -all the stuff that applies to EVERYONE who road races.
Class specific stuff being readilly available online
What has got me thinking is that the MNZ rulebook I have is an 09 copy -its about half an inch thick and filled with stuff either specific to a class or irrelivant to road racing.
Would this help??

[scott411]

Im throwing an idea out there to you folks. --Its an idea only so I wont be rabidly defending it.
How about if some bright spark works through the MNZ rule book and takes out all the class specific rules and rules with NO application to the road race scene be that track or actual road.
leave in the rules of conduct. Flags and their meaning.machine standards for all road race bikes-ie number size scrutineering standards DBA level -all the stuff that applies to EVERYONE who road races.
Class specific stuff being readilly available online
What has got me thinking is that the MNZ rulebook I have is an 09 copy -its about half an inch thick and filled with stuff either specific to a class or irrelivant to road racing.
Would this help??

why not just spilt the organisations completly?

i mean, we do not race on the same tracks, or the same bikes, why do we insist on having one organisation, the Speedway and Motorsport clubs are completly seperate yet all run cars,

[Asher]

What has got me thinking is that the MNZ rulebook I have is an 09 copy -its about half an inch thick and filled with stuff either specific to a class or irrelivant to road racing.
Would this help??

So is the road code, yet most people still manage to remember most of it, they just choose to ignore some parts of it.

Maybe just improving the structure of the rule book is what your after so its easy to find what applies to you and what doesnt.

[ellipsis]

...over the last couple of years JT has been touring the regions trying to get everyone 'on the same page', as he put it....admirable idea...the sport needs new MNZ Officials to run the show..Stewards, Clerks of Course etc...lots of us sat the tests to become these elusive creatures...I didn't realise how fucked up and convoluted the book was until I had to paw through the chapters to find out that some of the necessary parts were either not there or so well hidden that it was bloody nearly frustratingly impossible to answer the questions...we have now been informed that we dont know enough of the chapters and rules to be issued with our warrants...whats their game...wasting our time or do they think we are thick...safe, fun, fair...grow the sport!!!!!!!!

[Drew]

I've always been able to find specific rules that I am looking for. Often I forget to look at the amendments that are added later though.

The book has been altered so many times I think, that it has lost a lot of structure. So yeah, I think it does need to be re-written, and the format you suggest Frosty sounds good.

[Maido]

nds 2 b n txt lngo 4 yng kdz yo :msn-wink::laugh::bleh:

[Maha]

A colouring in section at the rear of the book (crayons supplied) and um, more pictures.

[FROSTY]

A colouring in section at the rear of the book (crayons supplied) and um, more pictures.
WOW I diddn't know you had got into the racing scene

[Maha]

WOW I diddn't know you had got into the racing scene

Staying within the lines is my forte' :msn-wink:

[codgyoleracer]

Was suggested a while back. basically what class of racing you sign up for is A) what you pay for and B) what rule book you get.

Hard copy of book at an extra cost, but as part of your license fee you get a pdf version emailed to you you for your class and associated rules only. (all free on line of course)

or request "your class only of rules" (printed copy of pdf) in mail for a small fee.

[scott411]

Was suggested a while back. basically what class of racing you sign up for is A) what you pay for and B) what rule book you get.

Hard copy of book at an extra cost, but as part of your license fee you get a pdf version emailed to you you for your class and associated rules only. (all free on line of course)

or request "your class only of rules" (printed copy of pdf) in mail for a small fee.

it is like that now isn't it,

the rule book is in sections in pdf's on the mnz website, and you get charged for a hard copy

[FROSTY]

why not just spilt the organisations completly?

i mean, we do not race on the same tracks, or the same bikes, why do we insist on having one organisation, the Speedway and Motorsport clubs are completly seperate yet all run cars,
IMO mate thats a bit of politics. Can't be arsed with politics.
I just see a possible barrier to people knowing the rules.

[Drew]

Lets not take away from the fact though, that some fuckin people know what they should do, and then do something else that they think will effect themselves in a less detrimental way.

[jellywrestler]

A colouring in section at the rear of the book (crayons supplied) and um, more pictures.

that's the Motard book ya chimp

[FROSTY]

Lets not take away from the fact though, that some fuckin people know what they should do, and then do something else that they think will effect themselves in a less detrimental way.
Well ya know Drew I actually asked that question in the other thread.
Do YOU want to be on the racetrack with someone who does indeed know the rules and feels they don't apply to them?

[Drew]

Well ya know Drew I actually asked that question in the other thread.
Do YOU want to be on the racetrack with someone who does indeed know the rules and feels they don't apply to them?

I accepted that very fact early on in my racing career. Trick is, run as close to the front of the field as your bike allows, and you're away from the squids...like me.

[GSVR]

I accepted that very fact early on in my racing career. Trick is, run as close to the front of the field as your bike allows, and you're away from the squids...like me.

Another good one would be to work on a reputation of being an out of control rider who never takes the same line twice. Any sane individual would use the utmost caution when at any proximity to the aforementioned rider.

[Drew]

Another good one would be to work on a reputation of being an out of control rider who never takes the same line twice. Any sane individual would use the utmost caution when at any proximity to the aforementioned rider.

It's funny, it's usually the guys between what you described, and what I described, that are a problem.

[FROSTY]

Another good one would be to work on a reputation of being an out of control rider who never takes the same line twice. Any sane individual would use the utmost caution when at any proximity to the aforementioned rider.
Funny you should mention that--there was a pretty famous racer a few years back who used that trick in the rain --came in shaking his head after practice saying how slippery it was.--just to put the shits up the competition

[suzuki21]

Funny you should mention that--there was a pretty famous racer a few years back who used that trick in the rain --came in shaking his head after practice saying how slippery it was.--just to put the shits up the competition

Was it Craig Shirrifs as he is famous. Anyway, the MNZ website has the rules split up into categories, if you are still struggling with it I can assist LoL. When I started racing early 90's I read the rule book before my first race as I wanted to do things properly. Shame others dont feel that way.

[jellywrestler]

Funny you should mention that--there was a pretty famous racer a few years back who used that trick in the rain --came in shaking his head after practice saying how slippery it was.--just to put the shits up the competition

'Rubber' Robbie Deans did that , in the wet and the dry.

[FROSTY]

Was it Craig Shirrifs as he is famous. Anyway, the MNZ website has the rules split up into categories, if you are still struggling with it I can assist LoL. When I started racing early 90's I read the rule book before my first race as I wanted to do things properly. Shame others dont feel that way.
hehehehe--nope young master shirrifs wasn't even a twinkle in his mammas eye when this guy was racing.:devil2:

[FROSTY]

'Rubber' Robbie Deans did that , in the wet and the dry.
hehehehe--actually no I wasn't thinking of him but now ya mention it ........

[FROSTY]

Was it Craig Shirrifs as he is famous. Anyway, the MNZ website has the rules split up into categories, if you are still struggling with it I can assist LoL. When I started racing early 90's I read the rule book before my first race as I wanted to do things properly. Shame others dont feel that way.
Mate the rule book has 20 years of additions and ammendments to it since then :devil2:
Be honest here-do YOU know or care what the restart rule is for a grass track race who has crashed?
Is it different from the restart rule for a "road" racer who crashes? -what is that rule and is there staff at every road race meeting to ensure that rule is able to be efficiently carried out?

Not having a go at you or for that matter anyone here just saying maybee theres a reason people aren't reading the rule book and maybee that reason is that its become difficult to find basic rules.
If I'm wrong in thinking that then hey great. To be honest I'd rather be wrong .
But if I am indeed correct isn't it something that even an eejut like me could help to sort out-let alone all the bright sparks out there with iq's over 100

[scott411]

Mate the rule book has 20 years of additions and ammendments to it since then :devil2:
Be honest here-do YOU know or care what the restart rule is for a grass track race who has crashed?
Is it different from the restart rule for a "road" racer who crashes? -what is that rule and is there staff at every road race meeting to ensure that rule is able to be efficiently carried out?

Not having a go at you or for that matter anyone here just saying maybee theres a reason people aren't reading the rule book and maybee that reason is that its become difficult to find basic rules.
If I'm wrong in thinking that then hey great. To be honest I'd rather be wrong .
But if I am indeed correct isn't it something that even an eejut like me could help to sort out-let alone all the bright sparks out there with iq's over 100

I agree with you that the rule book is to big for most people to comprehend, but you have to remeber Road racing would only rank 4th on terms of rider numbers for MNZ, # 1 would be trial rides, # two would be MX, # 3 would be off road racing (enduro/cross country)

since the trail rides dont even have a set of rules, you only need to create 3 books now, and the cost of printing 3 books starts to skyrocket, (or more if you start thinking about ATV, Speedway, grass track etc)

now it is much easier to do it in a pdf file, that people can print out the sections that they need, they have already done this on the MNZ Site,

[FROSTY]

Hey scotty I'm hearing ya but frankly the rules have got so convoluted. section and subsection etc that its quite harrd to navigate.