Stoner to retire

[scott411]

wow,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/18108872

[Pussy]

I'm thinking... WTF? Not 1 April, is it?

[White trash]

How fucking random is that? Guy's at the top of his game, thrashing previous world champions, on the best bike, and he's not enjoying it?

I'll bet Honda are fucken SPEWING :)

[Duke girl]

More like having a family and spending more time being a Father than continuing on being a World Champion Moto GP Racer.
Sorry to see him leave Moto GP but Casey has obviously made the right decision for himself and his Family.
? is who will take his seat on the Honda????????

[Maha]

JA'JUA... who fails to recognise when life is good......:eek:

[Bardman]

More like having a family and spending more time being a Father than continuing on being a World Champion Moto GP Racer.
Sorry to see him leave Moto GP but Casey has obviously made the right decision for himself and his Family.
? is who will take his seat on the Honda????????

Marc Marquez maybe!
Hes got so much talent.:niceone:
If the moneys right you may see Rossi back with honda too, maybe, possibly, nah probably not

[NordieBoy]

Maybe he'll become a commentator...

[pritch]

Just a couple of weeks ago he denied rumours originating in the Spanish press that he was to retire at the end of the year.

This time it looks like the real deal. All the authoritative sources are carrying the headline, including an announcement from Honda.

I wonder if he's had a successful trial for a V8 Supercar team?

[Maido]

Marc Marquez maybe!
Hes got so much talent.:niceone:
If the moneys right you may see Rossi back with honda too, maybe, possibly, nah probably not

Won't be Marquez, no rookies are allowed factory seats. Does it count if he wild cards before the end of the season? Also being that he is Spanish and repsol backed they will probably change the rules.

That is a serious waste of talent, and also a very selfish thing for Stoner to do. I understand that he wants to focus on family etc, but to take the millions and run is pretty poor I think.

[merv]

Just hope he wins the title this year so he can go out on top.

[gixerracer]

How fucking random is that? Guy's at the top of his game, thrashing previous world champions, on the best bike, and he's not enjoying it?

I'll bet Honda are fucken SPEWING :)

Just like the NZSBK:weird: to much background bullshit going on and he is not enjoying at anymore. Good on him I say, will make the silly season even more interesting later in the year.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just like the NZSBK:weird: to much background bullshit going on and he is not enjoying at anymore. Good on him I say, will make the silly season even more interesting later in the year.

Agree with you 100%. When the love is gone it's gone. All of the traction control, crt, fuel limits etc etc...he's obviously sick to death of it all. Never struck me as a guy that was interested in hanging around trying to beat records etc.

Hope he bows out on top. That'll be something Rossi will never match.:bleh:

[merv]

I remember when Croz pulled out with a very similar comment about not enjoying it any more - except he didn't have 2 top level titles to his name like Stoner has.

The changing of the rules never helps in my view and Honda and Yamaha were spewing over the weight limit change for a start once the bikes were already built.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Honda will be fucking spewing they didn't sign him years ago. Lorenzo will be rubbing his hands together with glee. Bet Yamaha has to pay him more next year...cause you can bet Honda will come knocking on his door now Stoner is going!

[steveyb]

Remember, he might only be 26 but he has effectively been motorcycle racing since he was 4 yrs old and as a full time professional since he was, what, about 13-14ish?
Long enough in anyones language I would have thought.
How many people continue climbing after they have been to the top of Everest?
Have to agree with Maido, it is a very selfish decision, but I will disagree with the sentiment. I think good on him for understanding his priorities and having the kahunas to get out while on top and not just plug away because it is all he knows.
I have had to do the same with my own 20+ year career, it is very difficult.
Quite brave I think.

[pritch]

Just like the NZSBK:weird: to much background bullshit going on and he is not enjoying at anymore. Good on him I say, will make the silly season even more interesting later in the year.

The silly season is officially open.

[SimJen]

haha what a pussy!
maybe Rossi is going back to Honda and he couldn't work with him so he quit?

[merv]

Nah, the man is making a very smart decision and I can't see how its selfish when it opens up opportunities for a new person. He is effectively being the opposite of selfish by saying don't pay me any more (no doubt he has plenty of money now) give it to someone else. Good on him. Champions only go one way in the end when they get older and no doubt seeing Rossi crumble has probably been like an omen to Stoner - why wait long enough until you are slated in the media?

[roogazza]

Agree with you 100%. When the love is gone it's gone. All of the traction control, crt, fuel limits etc etc...he's obviously sick to death of it all. Never struck me as a guy that was interested in hanging around trying to beat records etc.

Hope he bows out on top. That'll be something Rossi will never match.:bleh:

Gone by 2013 ! came true Crasher ! No surprise there.
Rossi will be hoping to get a few back on him before years end, maybe even this weekend ?
Who can blame Stoner for wanting to enjoy the money and his family.

[unstuck]

I thought this was a thread about me:doobey: Good on him, ya gotta follow your heart.:niceone:

[Mental Trousers]

Remember, he might only be 26 but he has effectively been motorcycle racing since he was 4 yrs old and as a full time professional since he was, what, about 13-14ish?
Long enough in anyones language I would have thought.

His first year in GP racing was 2003 in 125's so he's been around the GP paddock for 9 years. But in his early years he had an insane need to race. At 12 years old he did 35 races in one weekend and won 32 of them.

He's been racing and doing nothing but racing for a long time.



Have to agree with Maido, it is a very selfish decision, but I will disagree with the sentiment. I think good on him for understanding his priorities and having the kahunas to get out while on top and not just plug away because it is all he knows.

Screw selfish. Anyone who gets out with all their bits still functioning properly has his head screwed on. There's a whole lot of people that have had no choice in the matter cos they stayed too long.

The big question now is, who the hell is Crasher going to fall in love with next season haha.

Forget about Rossie going back to Honda, they wouldn't have him. Japanese pride and all that.

[yod]

Honda have already said they won't have Rossi back. Maybe Hayden will get another look in? Maybe Bradl if he shows good form for the rest of the year? There'll be a few chaps licking their chops.....:devil2:

Stoner's young enough he could easily come back to the sport in a couple of years anyway, I wouldn't count that out.

[SimJen]

Honda have already said they won't have Rossi back. Maybe Hayden will get another look in? Maybe Bradl if he shows good form for the rest of the year? There'll be a few chaps licking their chops.....:devil2:

Stoner's young enough he could easily come back to the sport in a couple of years anyway, I wouldn't count that out.

Stoner said he wasn't retiring last week! so anything is possible....although I don't see it happening!

[onearmedbandit]

At 12 years old he did 35 races in one weekend and won 32 of them.

That's legend material right there.





The big question now is, who the hell is Crasher going to fall in love with next season haha.

He candle will always burn for Stoner. So it will be 'yeah he wouldn't be doing so well if Stoner was still racing', and 'yeah he can slide a bike, but not like Stoner the one time I was watching over in Philip Island'.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's legend material right there.




He candle will always burn for Stoner. So it will be 'yeah he wouldn't be doing so well if Stoner was still racing', and 'yeah he can slide a bike, but not like Stoner the one time I was watching over in Philip Island'.

Hate to tell ya mate...I've been to Phillip Island many times!:bleh:

[5150]

Maybe Honda will snap up Lorenzo and Rossi will go back to Yamama? :cool:

[gixerracer]

Won't be Marquez, no rookies are allowed factory seats. Does it count if he wild cards before the end of the season? Also being that he is Spanish and repsol backed they will probably change the rules.

That is a serious waste of talent, and also a very selfish thing for Stoner to do. I understand that he wants to focus on family etc, but to take the millions and run is pretty poor I think.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[ktm84mxc]

A great rider but not a great racer all to easy for him to bleat,moan and bitch when minor things didn't go his way, have more respect for those who push through with lesser kit and why Rossi is one of my all time greats a true racer.

[onearmedbandit]

Hate to tell ya mate...I've been to Phillip Island many times!:bleh:

Yeah well like whatever ok like.

[Oscar]

Hate to tell ya mate...I've been to Phillip Island many times!:bleh:

I met him at Philip Island in 2004.
He wandered over to the teams viewing area at the bottom of MG during the 500 race.
He was a nice young chap, can't have been more'n 17.
I didn't even get a photo of him, 'cause his fan club turned up and I was too busy getting their pics...

http://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2004-Australian-MotoGP/DSCN1329/25195208_KdTFp-M.jpg
http://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2004-Australian-MotoGP/DSCN1330/25195207_nZSV9-M.jpg

[bogan]

Just hope he wins the title this year so he can go out on top.

Hope he doesn't, it'll give him more motivation to come back.

The grass is always greener and whatnot, when his son starts being a little shit, he'll be back on a bike (probably won't be a honda though).

[Crasherfromwayback]

A great rider but not a great racer all to easy for him to bleat,moan and bitch when minor things didn't go his way, have more respect for those who push through with lesser kit and why Rossi is one of my all time greats a true racer.

This is the funniest post I've seen in years. You must be so stoked Rossi isn't moaning about his 'lesser kit' this year then eh.

Never mind that before the Ducati he's never had anything but THE best kit.

[SimJen]

This is the funniest post I've seen in years. You must be so stoked Rossi isn't moaning about his 'lesser kit' this year then eh.

Never mind that before the Ducati he's never had anything but THE best kit.

the yamaha wasn't the best kit, the best it had finished prior to rossi getting on it was a 3rd in the wet!

[Mental Trousers]

This is the funniest post I've seen in years. You must be so stoked Rossi isn't moaning about his 'lesser kit' this year then eh.

Never mind that before the Ducati he's never had anything but THE best kit.

Mate, you obviously haven't seen this thread (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/149805-Not-only-is-he-a-dickhead-on-a-bike) then :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah well like whatever ok like.

Was better than ok like! On a serious note...I doubt many will miss Stoner from a racer point of view. But I for one, am glad I was around to witness his riding skills. Be a while before we see someone that agressive and loose on a Moto GP bike again I reckon.

Hat's off to him.

[Oscar]

This is the funniest post I've seen in years. You must be so stoked Rossi isn't moaning about his 'lesser kit' this year then eh.

Never mind that before the Ducati he's never had anything but THE best kit.

Yup, Rossi does his fair share of whinging.
However, Stoners little rant last week ignored all sorts of inconvenient facts - like most of what he was complaining about was done at the behest of current employer.

During 1992 - 2011 the MSMA (ie. Japanese manufacturers) had complete control over technical regulations, ceded to them by Dorna in order to get them on side in the breakaway from the cronyism of the bad old FIM-run series.

[Crasherfromwayback]

the yamaha wasn't the best kit, the best it had finished prior to rossi getting on it was a 3rd in the wet!

Think you'll fine the major problem with the Yamaha was actually the guys riding it before Rossi got there. It obviously wasn't miles away from being good. After all...he actually fixed the Yamaha. Something he's not been able to do to the Ducati.

[SimJen]

Think you'll fine the major problem with the Yamaha was actually the guys riding it before Rossi got there. It obviously wasn't miles away from being good. After all...he actually fixed the Yamaha. Something he's not been able to do to the Ducati.

they were actually very good riders: Carlos Checa, The great Norick Abe, Marco Melandri, Alex Barros, Shinya Nakano some of the most experienced from 500cc days!!!
It wasn't a front runner, no doubt about it!

[Crasherfromwayback]

they were actually very good riders: Carlos Checa, The great Norick Abe, Marco Melandri, Alex Barros, Shinya Nakano some of the most experienced from 500cc days!!!
It wasn't a front runner, no doubt about it!

They're all very good riders in Moto GP (well, before you could get your rich Daddy to buy you a CRT bike anyway), but I'm sorry, none of those guys are or ever were on the Lorenzo, Rossi, Stoner level of ability.

[DidJit]

Ah well, there are still 14 races left this year to enjoy seeing Casey do his thing on a MotoGP bike.

[SimJen]

they were all capable of podium finishes! or at least at the pointy end of the field.
I wonder if Stoner will slowly lose the will to fight in the latter part of the year???

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ah well, there are still 14 races left this year to enjoy seeing Casey do his thing on a MotoGP bike.

Aye. I'll try extra hard to get to PI again after reading this.

Love him or hate him, you can't help but admit he's a fucking weapon. Still...someone faster and better always comes along. I'll find another BF again some day.:love:

[DidJit]

... I wonder if Stoner will slowly lose the will to fight in the latter part of the year???

He doesn't strike me as someone like that — too big a competitive streak methinks.


Aye. I'll try extra hard to get to PI again after reading this. ...

Good idea.

[SimJen]

He doesn't strike me as someone like that — too big a competitive streak methinks..

yet he's retiring while he's competitive!
I don't reckon he will, but in the last few races if the championship is sewn up he won't see a reason to push too hard i'm sure.

[SimJen]

Love him or hate him, you can't help but admit he's a fucking weapon. Still...someone faster and better always comes along. I'll find another BF again some day.:love:

In terms of Boyfriends, I'm sure there's plenty of prettier guys in Motogp you could have gone for, perhaps you like the teethy look ;)

[merv]

they were actually very good riders: Carlos Checa, The great Norick Abe, Marco Melandri, Alex Barros, Shinya Nakano some of the most experienced from 500cc days!!!
It wasn't a front runner, no doubt about it!

Don't forget Biaggi, he was there too and didn't make the grade on it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He doesn't strike me as someone like that — too big a competitive streak methinks.



Good idea.

I actually think with the weight of that decision off his skinny lil shoulders he'll go nuts this year.

[Crasherfromwayback]

In terms of Boyfriends, I'm sure there's plenty of prettier guys in Motogp you could have gone for, perhaps you like the teethy look ;)

It's never come down to looks or personality to me mate. Only who I think is the best/fastest guy out there at the time. Previous BF's have been Kenny Roberts Snr, Freddie Spencer, Eddie Lawson, Mick Doohan and yes...even Rossi!

[5150]

Still...someone faster and better always comes along. I'll find another BF again some day.:love:

Bloody Ghay Honda riders. Always thought Lorenzo was more your style :msn-wink:

[SimJen]

Don't forget Biaggi, he was there too and didn't make the grade on it.

Biaggi wasn't there in the final year as the guys above were, but he was his own worst enemy when he was on it!

[Tony.OK]

Not forgetting that Honda has always been a ruthless clinical manufacturer to ride for..................am picking Stoner prob has too many emotions for it to be a totally happy partnership.
I agree with Crasher that he'll let rip now the decisions been made.............certainly won't be the same next year :no::mellow: Not that this year is that great in terms of viewing...........CRT.......meh!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Always thought Lorenzo was more your style :msn-wink:

Lorenzo is fucking awesome. 2nd fastest guy in the world at the moment. As I've also said before...he's the guy every aspiring road racer should try and emulate. Incredibly smooth and fast.

[codgyoleracer]

Just like the NZSBK:weird: to much background bullshit going on and he is not enjoying at anymore. Good on him I say, will make the silly season even more interesting later in the year.

Yip, + i suspect he has some coin in the bank & can live out the rest of life in a style that keeps the family & him pretty satisfied anyway.

I wonder how long the aussie V8 drive rumour will take to get in the press.......... (he must be missing those pushrod engines...... ;-) )

[pritch]

Just to restore a sense of reality to the discussion about the Yamaha when Rossi went there..

Burgess and Rossi were shown the various options that Yamaha were working on. Rossi and Burgess chose the options they thought most promising. The frame was heightened, the engine changed to run backwards, I think the number of valves may have been changed. The fine detail is probably available to those who wish to look.

The bike that Rossi took to South Africa didn't have much in common with the bike that appeared at the GPs the year before. Even so, very few people expected it to win first time out, probably not even Rossi.

[SimJen]

I wonder how long the aussie V8 drive rumour will take to get in the press.......... (he must be missing those pushrod engines...... ;-) )

Its already happened: http://www.speedcafe.com/2012/05/18/casey-stoner-says-he-will-consider-racing-in-v8-supercars/

[Crasherfromwayback]

. Even so, very few people expected it to win first time out, probably not even Rossi.

And the only reason it did was Rossi at the height of his game. Doubt very much anyone else avail at the time would've right there and then.

[merv]

Here's an interesting earlier story about your boy crasher http://www.signsofthetimes.org.au/items/casey-stoner

You'll like this one too on a KTM, beaten only by guy on a KX500 http://ozdirttrack.ning.com/profiles/blogs/casey-stoner-at-barleigh-ranch

[Crasherfromwayback]

Here's an interesting earlier story about your boy crasher http://www.signsofthetimes.org.au/items/casey-stoner

Yeah I've always been impressed by his parents risk and commitment to him. It's a fucking big thing for a family to sell everything they own to chase the dream. Credit to all of them. I'm sure he'll repay them in spades. Bet he makes many more babies too.

[merv]

I think it was you posted a pic a while back when they were all living in that motorhome. Dirt tracking has certainly given him the confidence not to worry about the bike moving around under him - Motu would like that too.

[jasonu]

They're all very good riders in Moto GP (well, before you could get your rich Daddy to buy you a CRT bike anyway), but I'm sorry, none of those guys are or ever were on the Lorenzo, Rossi, Stoner, Doohan, Rainey, Schwantz, Lawson, Spencer level of ability.

Fixed it for ya:niceone:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fixed it for ya:niceone:

100% agree with ya. But I was referring to the current punters.

[pritch]

I'm glad I saw Stoner race, I'm pleased I saw him win, but he always struck me as psychologically brittle.

He was inclined to be negative, and looking at his announcement there's so many things he doesn't like it's surprising he hung around as long as he did. Apparently he reached his goal 2007 and hadn't really set another?

I recently read an article which made the case that he thinks he is paid to race by Honda. He doesn't understand that his wages are paid by the guy in Ho Chi Minh City who buys a Honda runabout, or the guy in Spain who puts Repsol in his engine, the guys who buy the brand of leathers that he wears, or the same brand of helmet. By all those people in the grandstands and watching on pay TV.

Looking on the bright side, the racing might be closer next year.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm glad I saw Stoner race, I'm pleased I saw him win, but he always struck me as psychologically brittle.

Looking on the bright side, the racing might be closer next year.

Me too, but I doubt anyone that's been doing it as long as he has, and had the knocks he has,won what he has, could ever be considered in anyway psycholoically brittle.

But I will certainly agree with you regarding the racing once he's gone. Like Rossi before him, and Doohan before that.

[rachprice]

Selfish? Why the hell is it selfish?

I'll miss watching him too... Hopefully some new stars will start to come through! Will be interesting to see who gets his seat!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Selfish? Why the hell is it selfish?

I'll miss watching him too... Hopefully some new stars will start to come through! Will be interesting to see who gets his seat!

Betcha anything you like Repsol will be a knocking on Lorenzo's door!

[merv]

He started at 4 and has been racing for close on 23 years. Hell many in combat jobs (army etc) retire after 25 years and racing is pretty tough combat.

Me, I couldn't have stuck at doing it for that long so he is tough for sure.


Betcha anything you like Repsol will be a knocking on Lorenzo's door!

Well he is from the right country - just wonder how long the Repsol money holds up.

[NZsarge]

Love him or hate him, you can't help but admit he's a fucking weapon. Still...someone faster and better always comes along.

He must be a fucking weapon, he managed to get that baron looking tart of a wife of his pregnant...

I'm with 5150, Lorenzo goes to Honda and Rossi comes to his senses and goes back to Yamaha and drops the Ducati shite like a hot potato, might get back up the pointy end again then.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He must be a fucking weapon, he managed to get that baron looking tart of a wife of his pregnant...

I'm with 5150, Lorenzo goes to Honda and Rossi comes to his senses and goes back to Yamaha and drops the Ducati shite like a hot potato, might get back up the pointy end again then.

lol. I'd like to have too.

One thing I would've paid seriosly big money to see would've been Lorenzo, Rossi AND Stoner with HRC! Like Lawson, Gardner and Doohan years ago. Fireworks?

[NZsarge]

Fireworks?

Yep...
........

[merv]

He must be a fucking weapon, he managed to get that baron looking tart of a wife of his pregnant...



Hmmm - baron, baroness or barren.

[pritch]

Betcha anything you like Repsol will be a knocking on Lorenzo's door!

You'd have to think that Bradl and Bautista are the obvious candidates, and being Spanish, Bautista has probably got the inside running, depending on the results to come from the rest of the season.

Repsol, Dorna, and probably Honda, would like to get Marquez on a factory bike, but that would be against the rules. Rules though are subject to bending, and to changing. If Marquez keeps his current sponsor it could be very difficult to distinguish his "satellite" bike from a factory bike.

The simplest fix for Honda would be to put Rossi on a factory bike for a couple of years but their parting was not entirely amicable. While not impossible, it's not likely.

Steve Martin is pushing Johnnie Rae's cause, but he'd be a rookie.

With almost all the riders coming off contract there's a lot of possibilities. The off-track action could be more interesting than the racing, unless Yamaha find some speed, or Ducati manage to pull a rabbit out of a hat.

[Crasherfromwayback]

unless Yamaha find some speed,

With Stoner gone the Yamaha will be more than capable of winning races.

[NZsarge]

Hmmm - baron, baroness or barren.

Barren, ok?

[jasonu]

100% agree with ya. But I was referring to the current punters.

I live in the past, it was more exciting...<_<

[Crasherfromwayback]

I live in the past, it was more exciting...<_<

There were certainly a lot of good races way back when. But I think people tend to use rose tinted specs a lot too. There were a lot of different era's when people were dominating and simply fucking off from the rest.

[Duke girl]

Hope he doesn't, it'll give him more motivation to come back.

The grass is always greener and whatnot, when his son starts being a little shit, he'll be back on a bike (probably won't be a honda though).

Shows you how much you know about Stoners child cos its a Daughter he has not a son.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Shows you how much you know about Stoners child cos its a Daughter he has not a son.

I'm guessing he's assuming Stoner and his lovely wife will eventually have lots of babies...with one of them ending up being a boy.

[worm13]

I'm guessing he's assuming Stoner and his lovely wife will eventually have lots of babies...with one of them ending up being a boy.

with a wife like that.... hmmm tempting id say!

[tigertim20]

wow,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/18108872

fucked if im reading all the pages, but thsi is not big news at all.
Stoner has been quoted several times as having said that he would not be in the sport long enough to contest rossi's number os championships when asked if that was a goal he would like to acheive.
Yes, he is talented when he is on his game, but we are talking about a guy that burst into tears and ran away home, and refused to race mid season - hes great when things are good, but lacks the mental fortitude to grit through the really tough shit.

The most annoying thing is you will hear the stoner lovers after this season
"Rossi?Lorenzo/Pedrosa/whomever are only winning cos stoner's not there".

[Crasherfromwayback]

The most annoying thing is you will hear the stoner lovers after this season
"Rossi?Lorenzo/Pedrosa/whomever are only winning cos stoner's not there".

Yeah I know the truth can be at times annoying.:love:

[ducatilover]

Agree with you 100%. When the love is gone it's gone. All of the traction control, crt, fuel limits etc etc...he's obviously sick to death of it all. Never struck me as a guy that was interested in hanging around trying to beat records etc.

Hope he bows out on top. That'll be something Rossi will never match.:bleh:

He'll never match what Rossi has done anyway, so let the whinging twat fuck off and stop bullying my possibly gay curly haired wog hero :msn-wink:

[Motu]

26 years old and over 20 years racing motorcycles - just go and get a life Casey.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Good for him: its his decision and so its the right one. Hopefully he won't do a Schumacher and come back in 7 years.

I hope he wins it this year too.

You might find him racing flat track out of a van in a few years just for giggles.

[tigertim20]

26 years old and over 20 years racing motorcycles - just go and get a life Casey.
that actually seems like an almost perfectly balanced life to me!

[Zedder]

He'll never match what Rossi has done anyway, so let the whinging twat fuck off and stop bullying my possibly gay curly haired wog hero :msn-wink:

Winning 32 out of 35 dirt track races and 5 Aussie titles in one weekend at age 12 aint too bad......

[ducatilover]

Winning 32 out of 35 dirt track races and 5 Aussie titles in one weekend at age 12 aint too bad......

That's pathetic, I'd smash him.

:bleh:

He's not bad I s'pose.

[ktm84mxc]

Gotta love Crashers views on racers, he wouldn't be an Aussi ?.
Can't stand riders who get up and bleat about their bikes/races the modern bikes have made it possible with the electronic aids for more riders to get on the pace. Has this been to the detriment of the sport?
Were would Stoner rate in the all time greats ? lets make it easier say from Sheen, K Roberts era to now.

[codgyoleracer]

fucked if im reading all the pages, but thsi is not big news at all.
Stoner has been quoted several times as having said that he would not be in the sport long enough to contest rossi's number os championships when asked if that was a goal he would like to acheive.
Yes, he is talented when he is on his game, but we are talking about a guy that burst into tears and ran away home, and refused to race mid season - hes great when things are good, but lacks the mental fortitude to grit through the really tough shit.

The most annoying thing is you will hear the stoner lovers after this season
"Rossi?Lorenzo/Pedrosa/whomever are only winning cos stoner's not there".

HaHa, i like your style,,,,,,,,, I just wish you knew what you were talking about.

[scott411]

Good for him: its his decision and so its the right one. Hopefully he won't do a Schumacher and come back in 7 years.

I hope he wins it this year too.

You might find him racing flat track out of a van in a few years just for giggles.

i got the pleasure of watching Troy Bailess race at his local dirt track club for hte first time in 10 years earlier in the year, (in a Town called Taree a few hours north of Sydney) my first experince watching aussie dirt track, he was pitting out of a van and had the biggest smile on his face, looked like he was just having a great time, if Stoner could go back and enjoy racing it would be a good thing imo

[tigertim20]

Gotta love Crashers views on racers, he wouldn't be an Aussi ?.
Can't stand riders who get up and bleat about their bikes/races the modern bikes have made it possible with the electronic aids for more riders to get on the pace. Has this been to the detriment of the sport?
Were would Stoner rate in the all time greats ? lets make it easier say from Sheen, K Roberts era to now.

the problem with the discussion tha technology has made riders better is twofold
One, you cant actually compare guys from different eras on the same machines fairly, as they wont both be in their prime at the same time, and youd need a totally new bike and track to each rider to make a fair test.

secondly, as time passes, we learn more. Most riders will agree that the greatest tool of all is the mind, knowing you can push through that corner with an extra 5km if you need to, knowing where your edege of grip is for the tyres, etc etc. As time goes on more doscoveries are made, and I would argue that as a result, the average racers understanding of bikes, tracks, and all that goes inbetween has greatly increased as well.

Its not just about technology, its about learning. The newer generation takes the stuff that we took 20 years to learn as a starting point, then get to add to it with their own 20 years of experience, and so on.

[codgyoleracer]

i got the pleasure of watching Troy Bailess race at his local dirt track club for hte first time in 10 years earlier in the year, (in a Town called Taree a few hours north of Sydney) my first experince watching aussie dirt track, he was pitting out of a van and had the biggest smile on his face, looked like he was just having a great time, if Stoner could go back and enjoy racing it would be a good thing imo

Very Cool

:niceone:

[codgyoleracer]

the problem with the discussion tha technology has made riders better is twofold
One, you cant actually compare guys from different eras on the same machines fairly, as they wont both be in their prime at the same time, and youd need a totally new bike and track to each rider to make a fair test.

secondly, as time passes, we learn more. Most riders will agree that the greatest tool of all is the mind, knowing you can push through that corner with an extra 5km if you need to, knowing where your edege of grip is for the tyres, etc etc. As time goes on more doscoveries are made, and I would argue that as a result, the average racers understanding of bikes, tracks, and all that goes inbetween has greatly increased as well.

Its not just about technology, its about learning. The newer generation takes the stuff that we took 20 years to learn as a starting point, then get to add to it with their own 20 years of experience, and so on.

Technology is irrelevant, Its real simple. The guy's that can regularily go into both fast and slow turns on the point of tucking the front, then save it with the gas earlier than our watching eyes can see it , are appropriatly called aliens. No matter how fast computers get - the alien brains will be one step ahead and simply treat the technology as a tool to be abused to its total limit.

Hope that makes sense ?

GW

[Macontour]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl4wfPF-d-Q&feature=related
and this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw24pY6ScNA

[tigertim20]

HaHa, i like your style,,,,,,,,, I just wish you knew what you were talking about.
care to point out my errors? or are you a stoner fanboy?

Technology is irrelevant, Its real simple. The guy's that can regularily go into both fast and slow turns on the point of tucking the front, then save it with the gas earlier than our watching eyes can see it , are appropriatly called aliens. No matter how fast computers get - the alien brains will be one step ahead and simply treat the technology as a tool to be abused to its total limit.

Hope that makes sense ?

GW

What you are saying ties into my point - it is the brain of the rider that makes the difference. They guy that can understand what is required, and apply it is a more important factor than if the bike has abs etc etc fitted to it.
What I was saying was that understandings of physics, tyre construction, suspension etc has grown. The guys that are aliens take this info, and figure out how they can use their skills to take advantage of the knowledge they have. I dont think that this is something that, at the fine edge, can be learnt, its something some poeple have inside them, they just need to discover it and develop it.

Some people dont have the head and/or the balls for it, some do.

[HenryDorsetCase]

i got the pleasure of watching Troy Bailess race at his local dirt track club for hte first time in 10 years earlier in the year, (in a Town called Taree a few hours north of Sydney) my first experince watching aussie dirt track, he was pitting out of a van and had the biggest smile on his face, looked like he was just having a great time, if Stoner could go back and enjoy racing it would be a good thing imo

There was a Cycle World article last year I think about some guy who had raced at the top top level and retired, and we was racing local flattrack in the US on a vintage CR MX engined bike, and loving it. Cant remember who it was now.

[denill]

<a href=http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/179814/1/casey_stoner_why_im_leaving_motogp.html>“But I never stopped trying. No matter how much criticism I got for riding the Ducati. No matter how much criticism I got for crashing and different things like this in the past. This has all helped, to be honest, to arrive at the point where I am today and make my decision a little easier." And other reasons:</A>

And who are the personality bashers going to dwell on now? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Gotta love Crashers views on racers, he wouldn't be an Aussi ?.
Can't stand riders who get up and bleat about their bikes/races the modern bikes have made it possible with the electronic aids for more riders to get on the pace. Has this been to the detriment of the sport?
Were would Stoner rate in the all time greats ? lets make it easier say from Sheen, K Roberts era to now.

Funnily enough I'm a Kiwi and I actually think most Aussies are cocksuckers having lived over there for a while. But I've been watching racing long enough to know and admire an awesome talent. Something you're obviously not able to do. All your posts scream out is " I actually know fuck all about motorcycle racing"

You're aware that Stoner has already won more races than Rainey, Revvin Kevin and Lawson eh? I mean...not like those guys were squids eh?

You know he uses less electronics than everyone else eh? You know he's beaten Rossi more than Rossi has beaten him eh?

Yep. He's fucking useless.

[Crasherfromwayback]

26 years old and over 20 years racing motorcycles - just go and get a life Casey.

Absofuckinglutely.

[SS90]

Funnily enough I'm a Kiwi and I actually think most Aussies are cocksuckers having lived over there for a while. But I've been watching racing long enough to know and admire an awesome talent. Something you're obviously not able to do. All your posts scream out is " I actually know fuck all about motorcycle racing"

You're aware that Stoner has already won more races than Rainey, Revvin Kevin and Lawson eh? I mean...not like those guys were squids eh?

You know he uses less electronics than everyone else eh? You know he's beaten Rossi more than Rossi has beaten him eh?

Yep. He's fucking useless.

Yea, you are right about this, I suspect that he gets so much negative comments because he simply lacks the charisma of all the names you have mentioned...... When someone has charisma,
They can get away with so much, and people simply have selective memories. Rossi has blatantly
cheated several times, but officials take no action, because,he is a draw card, world wide, plain and simple.

In my opinion, Stoner opitimises the " I love winning" Aussie that, quite frankly, is boorish.

Most of the time, he failed to entertain us in a meaningful way, both of the track and on.

Pesonally I don't like the way his Wife started getting her claws in at the age of 13.... It is almost like an arranged marriage, but, meh, it's not my life, and doesn't change the fact that he is currently the best rider in the world, by a fairly big margin.

MotoGP will suffer with his exit, I am sure.

[Crasherfromwayback]

care to point out my errors? or are you a stoner fanboy?


.

Why do the haters think you have to be queer to recognize/love raw talent?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yea, you are right about this, I suspect that he gets so much negative comments because he simply lacks the charisma of all the names you have mentioned...... When someone has charisma,
They can get away with so much, and people simply have selective memories. Rossi has blatantly
cheated several times, but officials take no action, because,he is a draw card, world wide, plain and simple.

In my opinion, Stoner opitimises the " I love winning" Aussie that, quite frankly, is boorish.

Most of the time, he failed to entertain us in a meaningful way, both of the track and on.

MotoGP will suffer with his exit, I am sure.

I agree with you. I think he's a boring as batshit. Until he puts the visor down. And that's all that matters to me. And for me...yep, Moto GP will lose one of the fastest guys to ever race a motorcycle. But there'll be another Stoner dropped off by the church of scientology (that is where aliens come from innit?) soon enough I'm sure.

[Crasherfromwayback]

There was a Cycle World article last year I think about some guy who had raced at the top top level and retired, and we was racing local flattrack in the US on a vintage CR MX engined bike, and loving it. Cant remember who it was now.

The Clean Freak. John Kocinski. A 79 CR250 engined flattracker. Rachel has a gorgeous 79 CR250. They go amazingly well for a 33 year old 250 smoker.

[merv]

The story denill posted above shows what an honest bloke Stoner is - no bullshit from him. He is the winningest rider since 2006 - that's pretty consistent to do so over a six year period. As for charisma he was certainly different (as in quieter) than the average brash loud mouthed Aussie, but he sure had the witty responses ready when he needed them as people like Rossi found out.

[gammaguy]

Maybe Honda will snap up Lorenzo and Rossi will go back to Yamama? :cool:

maybe Honda and Yamaha will decide moto GP has lost its way and pull out altogether,and who could blame them?

Premier class?very debateable.

I think Stoner is doing the right thing,among other reasons he knows the golden Era shows little signs of returning.

[BMWST?]

Gotta love Crashers views on racers, he wouldn't be an Aussi ?.
Can't stand riders who get up and bleat about their bikes/races the modern bikes have made it possible with the electronic aids for more riders to get on the pace. Has this been to the detriment of the sport?
Were would Stoner rate in the all time greats ? lets make it easier say from Sheen, K Roberts era to now.

i will tell you ...who is the greatest rider of the current era in terms of world championships? Rossi right?
Who is the only rider who has beaten him in a whole seasons straight up competition.?
Thats the greatest

[Crasherfromwayback]

i will tell you ...who is the greatest rider of the current era in terms of world championships? Rossi right?
Who is the only rider who has beaten him in a whole seasons straight up competition.?
Thats the greatest

The person that's won the most races he's been in is in my opinion the greatest. Funnily enough, since Casey Stoner arrived in Moto GP (2006), he's won more races than any other person.

Pretty simple really. Even the haters may understand that stat.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The story denill posted above shows what an honest bloke Stoner is - no bullshit from him. He is the winningest rider since 2006 - that's pretty consistent to do so over a six year period. As for charisma he was certainly different (as in quieter) than the average brash loud mouthed Aussie, but he sure had the witty responses ready when he needed them as people like Rossi found out.

Funny thing is with the haters Merv, is I think they would be better off watching reruns of Dallas or something. Seems to me they prefer the after race theatrics and the riders personalities more than they are able to appreciate skill, balls and motorcycle racing.

[BMWST?]

Yea, you are right about this, I suspect that he gets so much negative comments because he simply lacks the charisma of all the names you have mentioned...... When someone has charisma,
They can get away with so much, and people simply have selective memories. Rossi has blatantly
cheated several times, but officials take no action, because,he is a draw card, world wide, plain and simple.

In my opinion, Stoner opitimises the " I love winning" Aussie that, quite frankly, is boorish.

Most of the time, he failed to entertain us in a meaningful way, both of the track and on.

Pesonally I don't like the way his Wife started getting her claws in at the age of 13.... It is almost like an arranged marriage, but, meh, it's not my life, and doesn't change the fact that he is currently the best rider in the world, by a fairly big margin.

MotoGP will suffer with his exit, I am sure.

Are you for real.?I burst out laughing at your post...:failed to entertain us in any meaningful way?
"In my opinion, Stoner opitimises the " I love winning" Aussie that, quite frankly, is boorish."He is the antitheis of the brash aussie...imho

[Crasherfromwayback]

Are you for real.?I burst out laughing at your post...:failed to entertain us in any meaningful way?
"In my opinion, Stoner opitimises the " I love winning" Aussie that, quite frankly, is boorish."He is the antitheis of the brash aussie...imho

Yep. Stoners pass round the outside of Lorenzo at 265kph, over a blind crest at Laguna Seca last year was a boring as fuck. So is watching him sideways laying rubber everywhere he goes. Puts me to sleep every time.

[ktm84mxc]

This thread is bubbling along nicely who'd have thought Stoner would have brought out such strong views, so please let it continue so us uninformed, ignorant, non racers can see the light from the informed/knowledgeable.
I could take Crashers views as a personel slight and crawl away to a quite corner in the man cave and hide away from the world, But were would the Fun be in doing that{aka stoner}

[Brett]

Why do the haters think you have to be queer to recognize/love raw talent?

Mate, I am with you. I have THOROUGHLY enjoyed watching Stoner race, he a bloody fantastic rider.

His retirement shouldn't come as a surprise, he has hinted at it once or twice in the last year or two...however I thought he might have another season after this in him. The big question, as noted already, is who will take his ride? As thing stands, next year could see a season dominated by Pedrosa and Lorenzo battles...maybe with a little Dovi thrown into the mix. Might get a tad boring....as much as I like Pedrosa, he doesn't quite have the spark some of the other riders have IMO...Lorenzo has a bit more...but we need someone like Rossi helping with the charge at the front to keep the game fun. I hope Rossi is offered the Honda seat (unlikely) or perhaps a seat on Yamaha opens up for him again. He is not a 9th-12th place finisher, he still has the balls and talent to win races I reckon.
There are some good rookies developing, but they need a few more seasons until they can run with the big boys on the factory bikes.

[Brett]

Are you for real.?I burst out laughing at your post...:failed to entertain us in any meaningful way?
"In my opinion, Stoner opitimises the " I love winning" Aussie that, quite frankly, is boorish."He is the antitheis of the brash aussie...imho

The way Stoner slides that Honda around is pretty cool! He is also a pretty ballsy rider IMO.

[Brett]

Yep. Stoners pass round the outside of Lorenzo at 265kph, over a blind crest at Laguna Seca last year was a boring as fuck. So is watching him sideways laying rubber everywhere he goes. Puts me to sleep every time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELwpShNQ2I4

I believe this is the instance you're talking about!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I believe this is the instance you're talking about!

You got it. I've been to a GP at Laguna, and as the bikes go over the crest there they all start wheel spinning madly as they unload.

Fucking ballsy move to go between Lorenzo and a concrete wall over a blind crest at that speed.

Mentally weak be fucked.

[worm13]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELwpShNQ2I4

I believe this is the instance you're talking about!

*yawn* hahahaha Im a big rossi fan and always will be however stoners got game!! you must be a munter not to see it!

[Brett]

Heading to Philip Island this season to watch the race, I am immensely looking forward to it...especially now given it will be Stoners last at his home circuit.

[5150]

I believe this is the instance you're talking about!

Meh

I Like this one better :cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfPM77TsGaA

[Crasherfromwayback]

Meh

I Like this one better :cool:

]

That was an epic race...one of the best I've seen. Stoner came that close to binning it several times trying to beat Rossi, but the cunning old dog showed why he's won so many titles eh!

I wouldn't mind betting he brake checked Stoner when he ran off into the gravel though! Still...serve him right for not being in front of him!

[merv]

As for his seat at Honda, I reckon it needs to be a new guy. Dovi and the others have shown before on factory bikes they aren't going to be champion.

[tigertim20]

Why do the haters think you have to be queer to recognize/love raw talent?

I didnt say he wasnt talented, in fact I acknowledged that he IS indeed talented, but like all riders, he aint perfect, and he has his flaws.
I simply pointed out what his most glaring one (in my opinion) was.

I could point out flaws in rossi, edwards, jorge etc too, Im sure we all could.

[Crasherfromwayback]

As for his seat at Honda, I reckon it needs to be a new guy. Dovi and the others have shown before on factory bikes they aren't going to be champion.

If the Kraut keeps improving he may get a shot at it. Or maybe if Bautista steps it up. I'm a fan of him. I reckon he's a tough lil cookie.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I didnt say he wasnt talented, .

I'm referring to being called a fanboy. Wouldn't that be a Rossi fan?

[tigertim20]

I'm referring to being called a fanboy. Wouldn't that be a Rossi fan?

given how you jump to his defence every time without fail, I think the term is appropriate!

[Crasherfromwayback]

given how you jump to his defence every time without fail, I think the term is appropriate!

He doesn't need defending, the stats do that for him. It's pointing out people are talking shit I do it for.

[gav]

Will be a shame to see Stoner leave the sport, but I wouldnt rule out a comeback in a couple of years, or maybe even a wildcard entry in a WSBK race?
As for who will fill his place at Repsol, there has been a couple of interesting comments from HRC boss Nakagami. Firstly, the team will never have two Spanish riders! As all riders are off contract at the end of the year, maybe Pedrosa isnt that safe either? He also said he wouldnt rule out Rossi either. Earlier it was mentioned that HRC wouldnt have a factory bike for Rossi next year, but that was before Stoner's announcement. Rossi has also come out and said he will be racing MotoGP for two more years and he expects to win another MotoGP race in that time. So he has a contract on the table from who then?

[Tony.OK]

Will be a shame to see Stoner leave the sport, but I wouldnt rule out a comeback in a couple of years, or maybe even a wildcard entry in a WSBK race?
As for who will fill his place at Repsol, there has been a couple of interesting comments from HRC boss Nakagami. Firstly, the team will never have two Spanish riders! As all riders are off contract at the end of the year, maybe Pedrosa isnt that safe either? He also said he wouldnt rule out Rossi either. Earlier it was mentioned that HRC wouldnt have a factory bike for Rossi next year, but that was before Stoner's announcement. Rossi has also come out and said he will be racing MotoGP for two more years and he expects to win another MotoGP race in that time. So he has a contract on the table from who then?

Well Rossi does seem to follow what Stoner has ridden to prove its the bike doing the winning :killingme

Nah it'd be great to see him on a competitive bike, can already hear Stoner sniggering.

Was just thinking how different this would have turned out if Simo was still with us?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well Rossi does seem to follow what Stoner has ridden to prove its the bike doing the winning :killingme

Was just thinking how different this would have turned out if Simo was still with us?

Classic!

And yep...such a shame he ain't. Dunno why...but that was the saddest thing I've seen in my time of watching racing.

[gammaguy]

Heading to Philip Island this season to watch the race, I am immensely looking forward to it...especially now given it will be Stoners last at his home circuit.

Ill be watching him too,except im going to Sepang:drool:

[tigertim20]

He doesn't need defending, the stats do that for him. It's pointing out people are talking shit I do it for.
can you smell that?

Classic!

And yep...such a shame he ain't. Dunno why...but that was the saddest thing I've seen in my time of watching racing.

ahhh, finally somethign we agree on mr crasher!:clap:

[Crasherfromwayback]

can you smell that?


ahhh, finally somethign we agree on mr crasher!:clap:

If you saw the size of my snozzzzzz, you'd know I could.

I'm sure we could agree on other things too.

[Brett]

That was an epic race...one of the best I've seen. Stoner came that close to binning it several times trying to beat Rossi, but the cunning old dog showed why he's won so many titles eh!

I wouldn't mind betting he brake checked Stoner when he ran off into the gravel though! Still...serve him right for not being in front of him!

Me too. Awesome race...I remember it well.

[Brett]

Well Rossi does seem to follow what Stoner has ridden to prove its the bike doing the winning :killingme

Nah it'd be great to see him on a competitive bike, can already hear Stoner sniggering.

Was just thinking how different this would have turned out if Simo was still with us?

Simo on a factory Honda...interesting! He certainly was improving quickly, had the "ballsy" edge necessary and was taking more calculated risks. Would certainly have been a contender IMO.

Edit: I just wanna say - Shit I love motorcycle racing!

[codgyoleracer]

If the Kraut keeps improving he may get a shot at it. Or maybe if Bautista steps it up. I'm a fan of him. I reckon he's a tough lil cookie.


A brave HRC future: Lorenzo, Martinez, Brahdl / Bautista

[5150]

If I was a Yamaha or Ducati boss, I probably be very nervous right now. Seems Honda will have few spare seats next year and they no doubt have a very big cheque book to attract the top riders out there.

[NZsarge]

If I was a Yamaha or Ducati boss, I probably be very nervous right now. Seems Honda will have few spare seats next year and they no doubd have a very big cheque book to attract the top riders out there.

Yeah Ducati teams might be nervous but I think Yamaha team's are in pretty reasonable shape actually, I tell ya though i'd be getting nervous if I were Ben Spies.

[Crasherfromwayback]

, I tell ya though i'd be getting nervous if I were Ben Spies.

Biggest disappointment yet.

[vinducati]

I admit Stoner is a great rider.
But I will not miss him.
He is the bermuda triangle of cool.

Doohan = Cool
Bayliss = Cool
Vale = Cool
Stoner = Uncool

[Crasherfromwayback]

Doohan = Cool


I agree. Doohan was such an amusing funny cunt eh! The way he used to interact with people was fucking awesome! He never moaned or bitched about anything...he was a lil Aussie Battler that always had the worst equipment, but never complained...it was a pleasure to be around to watch him race.






Only the last bit is true.

[merv]

I've seen Stoner smile a lot with a wingnut wing to wingnut wing (ear to ear) grins and he has thrown some witty comments out there when he's been on the podium (which of course has been a lot) and he hasn't dissed his gear much - how often did he bag the Ducati for instance. Is it just tall poppy syndrome that so many bag him? He sure hasn't been the grumpy bugger Mick was.

Rossi is funnier for sure and has a few more titles to his name at the top level so you can't help but like him.

The Spaniards Lorenzo and Pedrosa just seem so serious looking in comparison, but again their riding abilities are great. I wouldn't knock them either.

Spies has got to be looking for a new job if he doesn't pull finger.

[Oscar]

I agree. Doohan was such an amusing funny cunt eh! The way he used to interact with people was fucking awesome! He never moaned or bitched about anything...he was a lil Aussie Battler that always had the worst equipment, but never complained...it was a pleasure to be around to watch him race.






Only the last bit is true.

I tend to agree with you.
Jeremy Burgess on Doohan:

"You could look at it in one sentence and say that Valentino enjoys the racing whereas Mick Doohan enjoyed the winning.”

At the very first Philip Isl. GP, I was at the Marlboro piss-up afterwards, tripped over summat (maybe caused by the six cans of that horrible Swan piss that they were drinking) and stood on Doohan's girlfriends foot.

Over my flustered apology, she loudly called me a "..clumsy cahnt!!".

Still, not much chance of standing on Rossi's girlfriends foot is there?:whistle:

[Oscar]

I've seen Stoner smile a lot with a wingnut wing to wingnut wing (ear to ear) grins and he has thrown some witty comments out there when he's been on the podium (which of course has been a lot) and he hasn't dissed his gear much - how often did he bag the Ducati for instance. Is it just tall poppy syndrome that so many bag him? He sure hasn't been the grumpy bugger Mick was.

Rossi is funnier for sure and has a few more titles to his name at the top level so you can't help but like him.

The Spaniards Lorenzo and Pedrosa just seem so serious looking in comparison, but again their riding abilities are great. I wouldn't knock them either.

Spies has got to be looking for a new job if he doesn't pull finger.

He gets bagged because he has, in the past, come across as a whinger. To be fair, it had more to do with his delivery than what he was saying, but he's a hard bloke to like based on his early press conferences. He seems to have had some coaching lately (or maybe he's grown up).

I'd bet my left nut that the comment directed toward Rossi about ambition and talent came from some HRC PR flunky.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'd bet my left nut that the comment directed toward Rossi about ambition and talent came from some HRC PR flunky.

I bet my left and right that no cunt in HRC is that smarmy.

[slowpoke]

I'd bet my left nut that the comment directed toward Rossi about ambition and talent came from some HRC PR flunky.

I'd heard it before, thought it was an earlier generation racer but Mr Google tells me my memory is shite and it's actually from a movie, "Blow" 2001:

"Life passes most people by while they're making grand plans for it. Throughout my lifetime, I've left pieces of my heart here and there. And now, there's almost not enough to stay alive. But I force a smile, knowing that my ambition far exceeded my talent. There are no more white horses or pretty ladies at my door."

[Crasherfromwayback]

knowing that my ambition far exceeded my talent. ]

Bet my third nut Stoner has never seen that film.

[slowpoke]

Bet my third nut Stoner has never seen that film.

Maybe not but he's probably heard it before, with ears that size you can guarantee the surly wee bugger certainly ain't deaf......

[roogazza]

Bet my third nut Stoner has never seen that film.

Late seventies I was involved in driver training with the police.
After Manfeild in a report, I discribed one cop as
'Confidence exceeds ability' which got a laugh out of the boss.
Used to get a few of them like that.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Maybe not but he's probably heard it before, with ears that size you can guarantee the surly wee bugger certainly ain't deaf......

lol. Bet you're right!

Late seventies I was involved in driver training with the police.
After Manfeild in a report, I discribed one cop as
'Confidence exceeds ability' which got a laugh out of the boss.
Used to get a few of them like that.

I bet!

[Oscar]

Schwantz on Stoner:


I guess what I don't like the most about Casey and his retirement is, that now he's taking the opportunity to bag a sport, or to ditch on a sport that has given him so much. "Yeah," Casey will say, "but I've given just as much back." Yeah, but we all do. It's something that we love. It's something that's given us an opportunity to make a really good living. But if you just don't want to do it any more, you don't have to have something to beat up on, to be able to give you a reason to walk away. If you're going to quit, just man up and quit. If you don't want to do it any more, then retire. That's your choice. But don't continue to talk trash about a racing series that is the premier two-wheel motorsport in the world, and has a long, long-standing history of great competition, great champions. Tip your hat and walk away from the sport and be graceful about it. Don't talk sh*t.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Schwantz on Stoner:

I lol and loled at that. Schwantz has never liked Stoner...probably jealous seeing as Stoner has won so much more. Got his panties in a bunch when Stoner said Indy was a shit track. How dare he criticise anything American!

Schwantz. The dumbest biggest redneck to ever win the championship.

[SimJen]

I doubt he's jealous of an aussie who's never ridden a 500cc 2 Stroke GP Bike.
Everyone has an opinion, and Schwantz's is a valid one, shared by many!
Stoner thinks racing is too Business like!!! FFS of course it is, every top sport is big business these days, what did he expect when he reached the pinnacle of motorcycle racing?? A few beers, then a couple of laps, a slap on the back and a cuddle if you win?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I doubt he's jealous of an aussie who's never ridden a 500cc 2 Stroke GP Bike.
Everyone has an opinion, and Schwantz's is a valid one, shared by many!
Stoner thinks racing is too Business like!!! FFS of course it is, every top sport is big business these days, what did he expect when he reached the pinnacle of motorcycle racing?? A few beers, then a couple of laps, a slap on the back and a cuddle if you win?

Think Stoner could quite easily go buy a few if he likes. Should tell Honda he'll stay on for another year if they give him Rossi's NSR500. That'd go down well!

But racing has become more time consuming for them. They used to have what..12 rounds? How many rounds now? How much more sponsorship shit do they have to do now days? More than numb nuts ever had to do I bet.

263957 Waaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

[SS90]

Are you for real.?I burst out laughing at your post...:failed to entertain us in any meaningful way?
"In my opinion, Stoner opitimises the " I love winning" Aussie that, quite frankly, is boorish."He is the antitheis of the brash aussie...imho

Of course Im for real... Entertain us in a meaningful way? Pffft, what selective memories we all have, what about "another Aussie"..... Gary Macoy...... A real "could have" situation for sure, and things didn't go his way, but the bottom line is, that little fucker entertained anyone who watched, he slid those bikes (500's too remember) like no one.

Gary Macoy was entertaining...... Casey Stoner is more like... Elvis Presley.... Bethrothed to a 13 year old.. Sick man, sick.

[Oscar]

I lol and loled at that. Schwantz has never liked Stoner...probably jealous seeing as Stoner has won so much more. Got his panties in a bunch when Stoner said Indy was a shit track. How dare he criticise anything American!

Schwantz. The dumbest biggest redneck to ever win the championship.

I have to say that Stoner's attack on the rule makers last week is by far the dumbest thing I've ever heard in the sport.
He blamed IRTA/DORNA for the sport's ills, conveniently ignoring the fact that between 1992 - 2011 the MSMA (ie. Japanese manufacturers) had complete control over technical regulations. Stoner was either to stupid to realise that it was Honda that had been driving the rule changes all the way back to the change to 4 strokes, or simply believed everything that HRC told him about the evil men in white coats.

[SimJen]

Of course Im for real... Entertain us in a meaningful way? Pffft, what selective memories we all have, what about "another Aussie"..... Gary Macoy...... A real "could have" situation for sure, and things didn't go his way, but the bottom line is, that little fucker entertained anyone who watched, he slid those bikes (500's too remember) like no one.

Gary Macoy was entertaining...... Casey Stoner is more like... Elvis Presley.... Bethrothed to a 13 year old.. Sick man, sick.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tqxykKDck0

[Crasherfromwayback]

I have to say that Stoner's attack on the rule makers last week is by far the dumbest thing I've ever heard in the sport.
He blamed IRTA/DORNA for the sport's ills, conveniently ignoring the fact that between 1992 - 2011 the MSMA (ie. Japanese manufacturers) had complete control over technical regulations. Stoner was either to stupid to realise that it was Honda that had been driving the rule changes all the way back to the change to 4 strokes, or simply believed everything that HRC told him about the evil men in white coats.

I think anyone that's been watching for long enough will know they're fucking the class and the racing bit by painful bit regardless of who's pulling the strings.

[SimJen]

I think anyone that's been watching for long enough will know they're fucking the class and the racing bit by painful bit regardless of who's pulling the strings.

Honda should have not pushed for the 4 stroke change, instead concentrated on cleaning up the emissions of the 2 smokers which is possible, Shit even diesels run clean these days with direct injection etc.....
At least then we'd have a finite point of difference to other motorcycle racing and classes.
Alternatively ditch most of the rider aids completely!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Honda should have not pushed for the 4 stroke change, instead concentrated on cleaning up the emissions of the 2 smokers which is possible, Shit even diesels run clean these days with direct injection etc.....
At least then we'd have a finite point of difference to other motorcycle racing and classes.
Alternatively ditch most of the rider aids completely!

You'll get no argument from me there!!! And I bet Stoner would stay if they announced they were going back the 500's.

[5150]

You'll get no argument from me there!!! And I bet Stoner would stay if they announced they were going back the 500's.

But then he would probably whinge that the 2 stroke exhaust fumes were making him sick so he had to slow down..... etc etc

[Crasherfromwayback]

But then he would probably whinge that the 2 stroke exhaust fumes were making him sick so he had to slow down..... etc etc

Considering he grew up on them I very much doubt it.

[slowpoke]

Schwantz on Stoner:


I lol and loled at that. Schwantz has never liked Stoner...probably jealous seeing as Stoner has won so much more. Got his panties in a bunch when Stoner said Indy was a shit track. How dare he criticise anything American!

Schwantz. The dumbest biggest redneck to ever win the championship.

Like you Pete I'm not a big fan of Schwantz's commentary these days, but I kinda support him on this one. For all that Stoner has done to raise the bar for the other riders I reckon Stoner needs to go and sling some wires in someone's roof space, or install underfloor insulation, flip burgers or whatever to get some real perspective on what constitutes a mongrel job. Sure the media stuff and outside commitments must be a lil' wearying.....but fukn hell, even without getting to ride an awesome machine at the best tracks in the world that sort of stuff just doesn't rate on the "crap-job-o-meter".

And the guys of Schwantz's era wouldn't give a shit what they were being paid to race as long as it was competitive and gave them a chance to fight for the win. Guys like Ron Haslam were happy to have the opportunity to ride heaps of shit like the Elf Honda, and NR500 while others raced the vastly underpowered NS500 triples against the NSR V4's. They appreciated the opportunity....any opportunity. I admire Stoner's amazing talent to but to chuck it in because the toys that someone else is paying for aren't good enough for him? Pretty average attitude.

A 2 manufacturer, single digit grid does not a World Championship make, yet he'd happily lose the CRT scenario and head down that road.

[Crasherfromwayback]

A 2 manufacturer, single digit grid does not a World Championship make, yet he'd happily lose the CRT scenario and head down that road.

Don't think anyone wants that. But I can fully understand why Stoner or anyone eles wouldn't want to share the track with the " My daddy's so rich he brought me a CRT bike to race" jockey's though either. Fuck that.

[eelracing]

But racing has become more time consuming for them. They used to have what..12 rounds? How many rounds now? How much more sponsorship shit do they have to do now days? Waaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

Schwantzy could never of hoped to be getting payed what these current layabouts get,and he never took a backwards step say,like slowing down.

A little chatter giving you arm-pump dear?...ride it harder ya pussy!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Schwantzy could never of hoped to be getting payed what these current layabouts get,and he never took a backwards step say,like slowing down.

A little chatter giving you arm-pump dear?...ride it harder ya pussy!!!

That's cause he didn't deserve what they're getting. And they used to call Stoner 'Rolling Stoner'!!!!

PS: Ain't actually seen Stoner bawling his eyes out yet either! :bleh:

[slowpoke]

Don't think anyone wants that. But I can fully understand why Stoner or anyone eles wouldn't want to share the track with the " My daddy's so rich he brought me a CRT bike to race" jockey's though either. Fuck that.

There maybe some rich daddies but if you're good enough to qualify for a MotoGP race you're no numpty and Stoner needs to show a lil' more respect. So they're 2 seconds a lap slower than him, they're still riding at a level that very few people can. And when the race starts how often does he ever really see them? He needs to go back and look at some races of not that long ago when lapping was a common occurence and the grid was far more spread than it is now. Just as well he wasn't racing in the 500GP era.

Maybe he doesn't appreciate the levelling of the playing field? He's climbed (undeniably through his own skill) to the top of the machine evolutionary tree and all of a sudden all that effort could be wiped away if we go the full CRT route. There's a bit more of the lottery feel about the rides people accept in the next coupla years 'cos the times/machines are definitely a changin'.

I appreciate the whole retirement thing is a lot more complicated than we know but hopefully some time away from the sport will give him a new perspective and we see him back sooner rather than later/never.

[gixerracer]

There maybe some rich daddies but if you're good enough to qualify for a MotoGP race you're no numpty and Stoner needs to show a lil' more respect. So they're 2 seconds a lap slower than him, they're still riding at a level that very few people can. And when the race starts how often does he ever really see them? He needs to go back and look at some races of not that long ago when lapping was a common occurence and the grid was far more spread than it is now. Just as well he wasn't racing in the 500GP era.

Maybe he doesn't appreciate the levelling of the playing field? He's climbed (undeniably through his own skill) to the top of the machine evolutionary tree and all of a sudden all that effort could be wiped away if we go the full CRT route. There's a bit more of the lottery feel about the rides people accept in the next coupla years 'cos the times/machines are definitely a changin'.

I appreciate the whole retirement thing is a lot more complicated than we know but hopefully some time away from the sport will give him a new perspective and we see him back sooner rather than later/never.

You are all missing his point! I dont enjoy doing what im doing so im leaving. Its pretty fucken simple, why should he stick around and risk life and limb just so people can watch him on the telly. Come on folks get over it. If your unhapp in your job or relationship you leave eventually. He has said for a while hes not enjoyed so what sthe big deal.
I say good on him for having the balls to do it. Better than ending up smashed up like Doohan or Schwamtz or even worse Rainey.:headbang:

[denill]

You are all missing his point! I dont enjoy doing what im doing so im leaving. Its pretty fucken simple, why should he stick around and risk life and limb just so people can watch him on the telly. Come on folks get over it. If your unhapp in your job or relationship you leave eventually. He has said for a while hes not enjoyed so what sthe big deal.
I say good on him for having the balls to do it. Better than ending up smashed up like Doohan or Schwamtz or even worse Rainey.:headbang:

Yep - pretty simple eh..................

I think a lot are just pissed off that they are losing an easy target for their sniping attacks. :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

You are all missing his point! I dont enjoy doing what im doing so im leaving. Its pretty fucken simple, why should he stick around and risk life and limb just so people can watch him on the telly.

I agree 100%. And yet some are calling him selfish!? That's retarded.

[wysper]

So to sum up.....

Some people love him
Some people hate him

Some people call him Aunty Moaner Stoner

But fuck can the man ride.

and it may be goodbye.

[denill]

So to sum up.....

Some people love him
Some people hate him

Some people call him Aunty Moaner Stoner

But fuck can the man ride.

and it may be goodbye.

But EVERYONE is the poorer for his going. :bleh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

But EVERYONE is the poorer for his going. :bleh:

Lorenzo won't be!!! He'll be far far richer.

[slowpoke]

You are all missing his point! I dont enjoy doing what im doing so im leaving. Its pretty fucken simple, why should he stick around and risk life and limb just so people can watch him on the telly. Come on folks get over it. If your unhapp in your job or relationship you leave eventually. He has said for a while hes not enjoyed so what sthe big deal.
I say good on him for having the balls to do it. Better than ending up smashed up like Doohan or Schwamtz or even worse Rainey.:headbang:

Totally agree, but it's the reason's he's given that complicate it. As Schwantz said, he shoulda just said "I'm off" and quit......or waited until the end of the season and not renewed his contract. THAT would be simple, that's what most of us would do when leaving a job. It's the wee bleat about "onerous" press duties/outside commitments etc and the direction of the sport that shits me.

And yes, it's good to see a dead set champion retiring healthy.

[Crasherfromwayback]

As Schwantz said, he shoulda just said "I'm off" and quit......or waited until the end of the season and not renewed his contract. THAT would be simple, that's what most of us would do when leaving a job. It's the wee bleat about "onerous" press duties/outside commitments etc and the direction of the sport that shits me.

And yes, it's good to see a dead set champion retiring healthy.

THat's what I can't understand mate. He's been asked why...he's fucking told people why. They've pushed him further...he's told them the truth. WTF is wrong with that?

[Oscar]

THat's what I can't understand mate. He's been asked why...he's fucking told people why. They've pushed him further...he's told them the truth. WTF is wrong with that?

Er - you've changed the time line there...

It was whinge - announce retirement, not the other way around.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Er - you've changed the time line there...

It was whinge - announce retirement, not the other way around.

Not like he's shat on a long time sponsor half way through a season, thrown his toys...said "I'll leave Moto GP if I don't get my way!!" and then used the competitions equipment though eh Oscar?

Bet Michelin were stoked when Rossi shat on them in that fashion. Like he's doing to Ducati now.

[ktm84mxc]

So then Stoner's off be it a good or bad thing, sure he will be missed but there will always be the next Stoner, Rossi, Doohan, Roberts, Sheen, Agostini, Hailwood etc a rider will emerge to fill the dominate roll in any time period.
Money can get you a ride for sure but can it buy you a championship ? just look at F1 it's finally producing an interesting series 5 races 5 different winners, not that I watch it unless it's a highlights for the crashes etc.

[5150]

Casey Stoner Retirement Full Interview at Le Mans 2012


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrisnzWl2mM&feature=g-vrec

[5150]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40NDQpbj_7Y&feature=related

[tigertim20]

Not like he's shat on a long time sponsor half way through a season, thrown his toys...said "I'll leave Moto GP if I don't get my way!!" and then used the competitions equipment though eh Oscar?

Bet Michelin were stoked when Rossi shat on them in that fashion. Like he's doing to Ducati now.

So what you are basically comparing here is

"Im not happy here, so Im walking away"

vs

"Im not happy here, So I am going to commit to making sure that things change"

Both riders did what they needed to do to be happy. Its all a game, you do what you can to win. we are talking the pinnacle of two wheeled racing, I dont give a fuck what people do to win, as long as its good racing.

heh, I heard a rumour about stoner in V8 supercars, thatd be a laugh for sure.

who cares, he made his decision, and given the performances he has been pulling out lately, from a spectators perspective, stoner leaving might actually create more exciting races.

[BMWST?]

I doubt he's jealous of an aussie who's never ridden a 500cc 2 Stroke GP Bike.
Everyone has an opinion, and Schwantz's is a valid one, shared by many!
Stoner thinks racing is too Business like!!! FFS of course it is, every top sport is big business these days, what did he expect when he reached the pinnacle of motorcycle racing?? A few beers, then a couple of laps, a slap on the back and a cuddle if you win?


its his opinion and he is allowed ...you said so your self

[jasonu]

[B][I]Casey Stoner Retirement Full Interview at Le Mans 2012

Who is the bald interviewer?

[worm13]

Who is the bald interviewer?

at a guess daryll beattie

[Pumba]

Who is the bald interviewer?

http://tensport.com.au/motorsport-daryl-beattie.htm

[jasonu]

at a guess daryll beattie


http://tensport.com.au/motorsport-daryl-beattie.htm

Cheers for that.:niceone:

[SS90]

I agree 100%. And yet some are calling him selfish!? That's retarded.

Yea, selfish? How? He can do what the hell he wants, Im certain anyone and everyone that helped him get where he is has received the gratitude they deserved, even when he won the first championship, if he doesn't want to do it any more, that's his business.

Its going to make way for another young star as well, and I fail to see a problem with that.

I hope it's someone from the southern hemisphere too!

Might be Cal Crutchlow though, the UK is, erm, slightly more important as a market than any country close to NZ or Aussie, even if they where all combined.... Twice.