Suzuki M50 vs Harley 883 Iron

[888]

I've got a 2009 Suzuki M50 (20,00k's) and I thought....wonder what a Harley 883 Iron would be like? I WAS thinking that it would kick the M50's ass, what with the extra cc's and lighter weight..WRONG. I took a 883 harley (6000+k's) for a test ride and could not wait to get off it. Controls- very thin grips, mirrors sucked and were positioned too low over the hands, minimal engine braking, HORRIBLE riding position (very cramped, and I'm only 5 foot 9), brakes were unimpressive. Exhaust sound???? Totally unimpressive.

I picked up my M50 for around 9k used and it rides awesome, good brakes, sounds throaty, great fun on the twisties, great seating position, blah blah blah.

Harley? 12k used, I'd have to spend another $750 for the forward controls, get bigger grips, change the exhaust......

VERDICT: Suzuki M50 smokes Harley 883. And wait till I put the Vance and Hines 2-1 exhaust on it. My Suzuki might not have the resale value of an 883, but I'm happy with my choice that's for sure!:2guns::2guns::Punk:

[Road kill]

Feel better now.:facepalm:

[Zamiam]

Good on you different strokes for different folks BUT a Suzuki is not a Harley.

And just so you know I'm taking the micky I've never claimed my Harley is the best bike made, it's simply a Harley :Punk:

[BIG DOUG]

Sorry but I've heard an m50 with vance + hines pipes and it wasn't nice.

[munster]

Sorry but I've heard an m50 with vance + hines pipes and it wasn't nice.
I have too and it was!

Bikes are bikes, there's no right, wrong or better. Anything on 2 wheels is ok by me . . . . . . . except Honda's of course:yes:!

I will be putting a set of these on my M50 at some stage

http://www.vanceandhines.com/store/metric/suzuki/48293

[Virago]

Good on you different strokes for different folks BUT a Suzuki is not a Harley...

Correct. A Suzuki is not a Honda either. Or a Hyosung.

[nzspokes]

great fun on the twisties,

:blink::facepalm:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Funny, I intend to buy a cruiser next, and I am fixated on a H-D Nightster. Or perhaps an Iron. Dont want a big twin. (I'm short so the Sporty fits me). Ive really enjoyed the bikes I have test ridden, but I just cannot reconcile the prices: in particular the used prices people are asking. A Nightster brand new was $16.5k, and people want $14 to $15k second hand. Usually theyve fucked them up by putting forward controls on them, or whatever. I had in mind $11k as a budget: Id probably get an Iron for that, or an 883R.

But


I can go to my local Honda dealer and buy a brand new VT750S for $12500. Its the same motor as the VT750C but it is lighter. a bit taller. Has chain drive and is a Honda. 3 valve cylinder heads, EFI, 2 year warranty. Decent ergos (I have sat, not ridden) very well finished, and there is a thriving aftermarket for them out of the US. Only in a lame blue colour in NZ not the flat track inspired scheme but I would paint it purple metalflake anyway (quoted $800 from a client who is a painter).

I'd rather have the Honda. Also check these out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IGdJqqFu-E

http://www.honda-motorcycles.co.nz/BikeModel/426/vt750s

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2010/12/18/cobra-builds-a-honda-scrambler-and-tracker-from-an-rs750-shadow/


that dirt track custom is well cool.

anyone want to buy my scooter? and shares in a kidney?

[HenryDorsetCase]

:blink::facepalm:

horses for courses. I rented a VT750C in Noosa and went for a day ride round the glasshouse mountains (had breakfast in Gympie - why wouldnt you?). Not fast, just cruising around looking at the scenery and whatnot. One of the best and most memorable rides I have ever had, it was choice. Dont knock a cruiser till youve tried one.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But


, 2 year warranty.

I'll happily give you a two year warranty on a used HD mate.

[888]

I still think the blacked out 883 Iron looks great, but I just can't understand the way over the top cost to get one up to speed. Everyone knows that Harley make their money on the accessories and I applaud Harley on their brilliant marketing- but the 883 just can't hold a candle on my Jappa bike. I was sincerely thinking (before the test ride) that I was going to be impressed with the 883, but as I stated in my previous post- the little 883 just a'int got it. I'm sure that a V-Rod (or any larger Harley) might be awesome to ride, but if I ever decide to move up in cc's- it will be a Suzuki M109. I refuse to pay for marketing, but I don't think any less of those who do! :devil2:

[GrayWolf]

Good on you different strokes for different folks BUT a Suzuki is not a Harley.

And just so you know I've had the mickey taken frequently. I've never claimed my Harley is the best bike made (that admission just got me a life ban from HOG), it's a simple Harley. :Punk:

there fixed it :D

[GrayWolf]

I still think the blacked out 883 Iron looks great, but I just can't understand the way over the top cost to get one up to speed. Everyone knows that Harley make their money on the accessories and I applaud Harley on their brilliant marketing- but the 883 just can't hold a candle on my Jappa bike. I was sincerely thinking (before the test ride) that I was going to be impressed with the 883, but as I stated in my previous post- the little 883 just a'int got it. I'm sure that a V-Rod (or any larger Harley) might be awesome to ride, but if I ever decide to move up in cc's- it will be a Suzuki M109. I refuse to pay for marketing, but I don't think any less of those who do! :devil2:

I guess it comes down to personal choice as always and if you want the 'lifestyle' (wannabe, bad ass accountant) or ride for the simple pleasure. I accept that there are many HD owners who do thoroughly enjoy the product, there are however many who simply buy into the image, and good marketing ploy HD, they really have it sorted! The jap shit arguement raged when I was a lad in the UK, with the arrival of the Honda 750, kwacka triples and then the Z1... Reality is there are more 'original condition' hondas, kwack's etc to be seen than triumphs and nortons etc of the period. The main advantage of HD ownership is the spares availability unlike the JAPANESE built in (5yr) obsolescence. Triumph and even now Moto Guzzi have excellent products that are worthy opponents for the 'heritage named brand'. So if you fancy something a little different? I would say go have a look at the older triumph Legend 900cc triple, or an Bonny America/s\Speedmaster.

[wysper]

but the 883 just can't hold a candle on my Jappa bike.

Heres the thing, Harley isn't trying to hold a candle to your Jappa bike.

[888]

You are absolutely bang on with your comment; Harley does not try and compare with other brands. They sell the image, not the performance- and that is an excellent marketing ploy. I was wrong in my initial assumptions that the 883 would impress me and it very well might of done so, if I had not ridden "other" motorcycle brands (that focus on performance at an affordable cost). While the Suzuki M90 looks awesome and I'd love to have one, Triumph have some amazing cruisers that I would seriously consider as well...but lets get back to my original purpose in posting the thread: the 883 iron is a wildly overpriced and under performing cruiser. Don't forget the Royal Enfield if you want true class at a low cost......:msn-wink:

[Crasherfromwayback]

: the 883 iron is a wildly overpriced and under performing cruiser. Don't forget the Royal Enfield if you want true class at a low cost......:msn-wink:

Sorry but that's simply not true. An 883 is only $14495.00 on the road (1 year reg not 6 months like a Suzuki), 2 years road side assist (don't get that with a Suzuki), cheaper insurance, better resale value, and if I'm to be perfectly honest...I think it would actually dust your M50 off to boot. You didn't like it, and that's fine...but you're kidding yourself if you think they're a lesser bike that yours. PS; Send us some pics of your bikes finish in 5 years compared to the Harley!

[98tls]

I wouldnt be to bothered re the resale price of yours compared to a second hand Sporty fella.Good friend of mine has had an immaculate Sporty sitting idle in his shed for a few years after attempting to trade it on a big Harley,he still bought the new bike but reckoned he felt like giving the salesman a tap for what he found almost a fucking insult re the trade in price for the Sporty.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I wouldnt be to bothered re the resale price of yours compared to a second hand Sporty fella.Good friend of mine has had an immaculate Sporty sitting idle in his shed for a few years after attempting to trade it on a big Harley,he still bought the new bike but reckoned he felt like giving the salesman a tap for what he found almost a fucking insult re the trade in price for the Sporty.

Why? Because he thinks it's worth twice what it is ACTUALLY worth? Give me it's details...I'll tell you what it's worth.

[98tls]

Why? Because he thinks it's worth twice what it is ACTUALLY worth? Give me it's details...I'll tell you what it's worth.

Not at all mate,i sold both bikes and cars for a living for years so am well aware of peoples over expectations,they want retail for the trade and pay nothing for the new one etc....when he went down there to trade the thing i made him well realistic of what it was worth and what he should accept but nope they were just greedy so he thought fuck them,as i said he ended up paying cash for the new one and kept the Sporty.

[888]

C'mon dude, look again at the stats! "only" 14k"? I compared my used Zook M50 (9k) with a used HD "iron" (12.5k). Right, so those stats are pretty clear. Insurance? C'mon matey, I pay about $450 per year and I've got full roadside backup- so "even stevens". Finish in five years or even ten? Depends entirely on how the user looks after his/hers motorcyle. Performance? I'm not the only one who rates the M50 better in "the twisties", check the web for that info. Remember: to get the 883 even near my "magical" M50 factory set up you have too spend $750 for the forward controls and lets not talk about the brakes or exhaust. Other more qualified reviewers have backed my personal experience up: 883 loses out to the the M50. Hands down. Clearly the "horses for courses" saying applies here, but when when you break it down to performance/value- sorry dude. Harley is second place (at least on the 883 vs M50 smackdown). But the question must be asked: have you ridden both bikes? Be honest.....:msn-wink:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not at all mate,i sold both bikes and cars for a living for years so am well aware of peoples over expectations,they want retail for the trade and pay nothing for the new one etc....when he went down there to trade the thing i made him well realistic of what it was worth and what he should accept but nope they were just greedy so he thought fuck them,as i said he ended up paying cash for the new one and kept the Sporty.

Should've sent him to see me for his big block...then I could've given you a $250.00 spotters fee!

[98tls]

C'mon dude, look again at the stats! "only" 14k"? I compared my used Zook M50 (9k) with a used HD "iron" (12.5k). Right, so those stats are pretty clear. Insurance? C'mon matey, I pay about $450 per year and I've got full roadside backup- so "even stevens". Finish in five years or even ten? Depends entirely on how the user looks after his/hers motorcyle. Performance? I'm not the only one who rates the M50 better in "the twisties", check the web for that info. Remember: to get the 883 even near my "magical" M50 factory set up you have too spend $750 for the forward controls and lets not talk about the brakes or exhaust. Other more qualified reviewers have backed my personal experience up: 883 loses out to the the M50. Hands down. Clearly the "horses for courses" saying applies here, but when when you break it down to performance/value- sorry dude. Harley is second place (at least on the 883 vs M50 smackdown). But the question must be asked: have you ridden both bikes? Be honest.....:msn-wink:

Chances are he has mate,he sells them for a living.

[Crasherfromwayback]

. Other more qualified reviewers have backed my personal experience up: 883 loses out to the the M50. Hands down. Clearly the "horses for courses" saying applies here, but when when you break it down to performance/value- sorry dude. Harley is second place (at least on the 883 vs M50 smackdown). But the question must be asked: have you ridden both bikes? Be honest.....:msn-wink:

Yes. I've ridden both a fair amount. Never done a 1 min 19 sec lap round Manfield on an M50 though. Doubt anyone has. :msn-wink:

[98tls]

Should've sent him to see me for his big block...then I could've given you a $250.00 spotters fee!

Well yea i should have and next time i certainly will.Nice trip up there and across on the Ferry then home on a new bike,great way to do it.:niceone:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well yea i should have and next time i certainly will.Nice trip up there and across on the Ferry then home on a new bike,great way to do it.:niceone:

Especially as I'll fly them here and put them on the ferry at our expense!

Cheers!!

[AllanB]

If you are looking HD and trying to justify prices etc - forget it. If you want a HD then the cost is the cost. The comparison becomes somewhat irrelevant , YOU WANT A HD. If you want a cruiser and are happy considering all available in your price range ..... different story.


The 883 is a starter bike in the USA - they don't have cc rules etc - any twat can go buy a bussa as their first bike.

I am sure HD expect you to quickly spend several thousand on a 883-1200cc big bore SE kit. Then they hope you get a big block. Slick marketing. But remember you WANT A HD. Many do and many will. The more on the road the better for motorcycling.


A while back in the US HD were giving a guaranteed trade vale (I think it matched the purchase price) if you purchased a Sporty then traded to a big block within a specified time.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I am sure HD expect you to quickly spend several thousand on a 883-1200cc big bore SE kit. Then they hope you get a big block. Slick marketing. But remember you WANT A HD. Many do and many will. The more on the road the better for motorcycling.

.

Costs about $1500.00, depending on model year. A 1200 kitted 883, will then actually go better than a 1200.

[AllanB]

A 1200 kitted 883, will then actually go better than a 1200.

And better than a Suzuki .............

[Crasherfromwayback]

And a Suzuki .............

lol. And a few other things too...

[testastretta]

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No way is the Iron 883 overpriced. I purchased a new 1200 sportster in 1991 and paid more then than the price of a new iron today. Sure they may not have changed much in the last 25 years but they have improved.
I prefer sport bikes and couldnt go back to owning just a harley again. But I do enjoy taking my lady's Iron for a blast (the one in the video). We have put about $2000 worth of performance and cosmetic upgrades into it. It runs great and we think it looks great too.

[hellokitty]

I had a Honda VT750C2 which I loved, a real confidence builder but a bit gutless and my skills grew because it was such an easy bike to ride :laugh: I moved up to a 1200 Harley Sportster and I love it. SImilar size and seating position but a lot more power. Sure the brakes are average, but it makes me smile all the time. I wouldn't even bother with an 883....

[888]

Yup, he sells 'em. So naturally he is fair and balanced in his response (tui ad coming up!). My point is simple: The 883, as sold in stock condition, is a pretty poor excuse for a motorcycle-considering the price. Sure, you can can spend an extra 1k to 3K more (you have now spent up to 15k on the used models) and it would probably equal or maybe even beat the mighty M50. And that's all good, because if it makes more people ride bikes then that is a positive outcome. Bottom line: nobody can tell me that an 883 is a value for performance bike in it's stock form. No way. No Harley riders I know (NZ and Stateside) would disagree with my factual assessment. The main point remains: the Harley 883 might have a good resale value, but value/performance wise? Take your pick from Triumph, Suzuki and all the others? It loses. Every day. BUT! You will look cool.... sort of like the guys from Sons of Anarchy. My heroes.:rolleyes:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Especially as I'll fly them here and put them on the ferry at our expense!

Cheers!!

wait, whut?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yup, he sells 'em. So naturally he is fair and balanced in his response (tui ad coming up!). My point is simple: The 883, as sold in stock condition, is a pretty poor excuse for a motorcycle-considering the price. Sure, you can can spend an extra 1k to 3K more (you have now spent up to 15k on the used models) and it would probably equal or maybe even beat the mighty M50. And that's all good, because if it makes more people ride bikes then that is a positive outcome. Bottom line: nobody can tell me that an 883 is a value for performance bike in it's stock form. No way. No Harley riders I know (NZ and Stateside) would disagree with my factual assessment. The main point remains: the Harley 883 might have a good resale value, but value/performance wise? Take your pick from Triumph, Suzuki and all the others? It loses. Every day. BUT! You will look cool.... sort of like the guys from Sons of Anarchy. My heroes.:rolleyes:


The point is this: none of that applies to H-D. None of it. Analyse it all you want. Blame it on their marketing department. Say the bikes are pieces of poo, (which they are not): If you want a Harley, then nothing else scratches the itch. Its like when you buy a genuine Louis Vuitton handbag, vs the ripoff one with the wonky "L" from the market in Bangkok.
You're rationalising, and you know it.

And, it doesnt matter WHY you want it, IF you want it. (and people can say "Oh wow, he's totally bought the SOA image" or "Midlife crisis, eh?" or "Weekend badass, weekday accountatn (or lawyer)" or whatever the fuck they want to say. If it makes you grin when you ride it, then it entirely serves its purpose.

Heres a factoid: in a recession luxury brands thrive, generally.

I'd still really like a VT750 Flat tracker, but ....

[HenryDorsetCase]

I had a Honda VT750C2 which I loved, a real confidence builder but a bit gutless and my skills grew because it was such an easy bike to ride :laugh: I moved up to a 1200 Harley Sportster and I love it. SImilar size and seating position but a lot more power. Sure the brakes are average, but it makes me smile all the time. I wouldn't even bother with an 883....

Now you've bought the Hornet, you can do me a deal on the Sporty. I'll trade you my scooter and a couple G's :)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yup, he sells 'em. So naturally he is fair and balanced in his response (tui ad coming up!). My point is simple: The 883, as sold in stock condition, is a pretty poor excuse for a motorcycle-considering the price. :

Funniest thing is mate...I sell Suzuki's too. But I can actually see them both for what they are. I ride and race Suzuki's, and have done so with Harleys too. I have no bias. I love nearly every motorcycle. But it's you that has the blinkers on....not me.

[ellipsis]

Yup, he sells 'em. So naturally he is fair and balanced in his response (tui ad coming up!). My point is simple: The 883, as sold in stock condition, is a pretty poor excuse for a motorcycle-considering the price. Sure, you can can spend an extra 1k to 3K more (you have now spent up to 15k on the used models) and it would probably equal or maybe even beat the mighty M50. And that's all good, because if it makes more people ride bikes then that is a positive outcome. Bottom line: nobody can tell me that an 883 is a value for performance bike in it's stock form. No way. No Harley riders I know (NZ and Stateside) would disagree with my factual assessment. The main point remains: the Harley 883 might have a good resale value, but value/performance wise? Take your pick from Triumph, Suzuki and all the others? It loses. Every day. BUT! You will look cool.... sort of like the guys from Sons of Anarchy. My heroes.:rolleyes:


....are you actually saying anything in particular or having a bit of an internal crisis happening here...and what the fuck is an M50, obviously a standout, shit-kickin machine...i just talked to three mates who ride constantly...and like me , they dont know what one even looks like...you have made me want to ride one though...just as a comparison to a sporty...it wouldn't make me want to ride anything other than my sportster though...some of us, in fact many, many, many lots of us choose our own way and hope that all those that chose different are having us much fun as us...happy angst free trails to yer...

[Jantar]

Especially as I'll fly them here and put them on the ferry at our expense!

Cheers!!

Mmmmmm. Might have to see you when I'm ready to change bikes around the end of this year.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mmmmmm. Might have to see you when I'm ready to change bikes around the end of this year.

Yeah for sure. But you're capable of flying yourself here! :bleh:

[888]

Hey, lighten up dudes! The purpose of my original thread was simple: I loved the look of the 883 and wanted to evaluate whether or not it was worth the price. I also wanted to see how it stacked up against the performance of my cheap horrible, evil, evil, Jappa M50. My humble assessment was that it failed in every category that I consider relevant. Remember: this is my opinion, and I am aware of how precious we can be with brands we love. We should close this thread off with the reality that if you want to spend anywhere from 12k to 17k on an 883 to get it riding on a par with a brit or jappa (that can be bought for half the price)- then that is a personal choice. Just be aware that you can exceed the performance of the honorable 883 at a far lower price with just about any brit or jappa bike. I should point out that I did not even mention the virtues of shaft drive vs belt......don't go there!:devil2:

[wysper]

If you are looking HD and trying to justify prices etc - forget it. If you want a HD then the cost is the cost. The comparison becomes somewhat irrelevant , YOU WANT A HD. If you want a cruiser and are happy considering all available in your price range ..... different story.




and sometimes you can no way in hell want a harley coz they suck - and then some how bloody crasher sells you one.... been grinning ever since!

never should have taken my mates sporty for a ride... mumble mumble mutter mutter.... before that I knew HD sucked and wasn't worth the money. For me the M50 didn't put a grin on my dial like the sporty did, and for me, that is why I ride. For pleasure... and to get to work.. but even that ride I enjoy.

For me it is the whole package of the sportster, the looks, the sound, the ride. I don't expect it to brake or corner like any other bike. I expect it brake and corner like the bike I test rode and was happy with. It does. I don't care it is "only" an 883, I don't care if it is slower than a metric cruiser or a trumpy cruiser. If I did, I would have bought one of those.

Virtually every rider would change something about their current ride given the spare cash or inclination, and the 883 is no different.
But I love it as it is. My last two bikes were a DR650 and a SV650 - god those two bikes needed work to reach 'ok'! But both were super fun in their own way and I enjoyed them for what they were and did, not what they weren't and didn't do.

Happy riding on your M50!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I should point out that I did not even mention the virtues of shaft drive vs belt......don't go there!:devil2:

You're right. We can change the gearing on belt drive. We don't have to maintain belts, or even adjust them. They're covered by a two year unlimited mileage warranty...even for stone damage. They're light, clean, silent and take up a fair amount of driveline shock.

Yep...total crap.

[98tls]

Mmmmmm. Might have to see you when I'm ready to change bikes around the end of this year.

Oi...:no:Give me a ring and i will pass you on to him,that way i get my $250:bleh::laugh:

[888]

Yup, belt drives are probably on par with my maintenance free shaft drive. Just make sure (as the Harley shop chap told me) that when you ride on new seal you check that belt for any stuck rocks on the belt. And of course, belt drives rarely snap so really, I was just crazy comparing shaft vs belt. Go back to original post: 883 vs M50 value/performance. Do I need to say it again? I grew up in the States and have huge respect for the Harley brand, I just think (and know) that the 883 (in it's stock form) is a brilliant marketing exercise (with a very poor performance against it's competitors). Is it worth the money? You decide. And any new riders reading this? Check out the M50!!!:headbang:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oi...:no:Give me a ring and i will pass you on to him,that way i get my $250:bleh::laugh:

lol. It's actually supposed to be for customers that've purchased a bike from me...I give them a referral card. But I'm sure if you send peeps my way I'll be able to look after you regardless!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Check out the M50!!!:headbang:

Yep. Awesome bike. Sold a lot of them new and used. Sold them to friends of mine. They loved them...just like you do. Which is great.

But so are 883's. You just personally prefer M50's.

[888]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/motorcycles/reviews/4268696

Read this review, looks like I'm bang on with my own experience riding both bikes.......

[888]

Disclaimer: I'm not trying to trash Harleys in general. Just the 883. I get really annoyed when manufacturers rip off the customer. Don't worry, I don't even think about this subject when I'm carving up the Waikato on the M50!!:headbang:

[Zamiam]

The point is this: none of that applies to H-D. None of it. Analyse it all you want. Blame it on their marketing department. Say the bikes are pieces of poo, (which they are not): If you want a Harley, then nothing else scratches the itch. Its like when you buy a genuine Louis Vuitton handbag, vs the ripoff one with the wonky "L" from the market in Bangkok.
You're rationalising, and you know it.

And, it doesnt matter WHY you want it, IF you want it. (and people can say "Oh wow, he's totally bought the SOA image" or "Midlife crisis, eh?" or "Weekend badass, weekday accountatn (or lawyer)" or whatever the fuck they want to say. If it makes you grin when you ride it, then it entirely serves its purpose.

Heres a factoid: in a recession luxury brands thrive, generally.

I'd still really like a VT750 Flat tracker, but ....

What he said :niceone:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Don't worry, I don't even think about this subject when I'm carving up the Waikato on the M50!!:headbang:

Do a track day at Manfield and report back.

[Ender EnZed]

The purpose of my original thread was simple: I loved the look of the 883 and wanted to evaluate whether or not it was worth the price. I also wanted to see how it stacked up against the performance of my cheap horrible, evil, evil, Jappa M50. My humble assessment was that it failed in every category that I consider relevant.

Wouldn't you be able to buy a non-cruiser bike that's better than an M50 in every way for less money?

[888]

I would love to do a track day at Manfield on the M50. In fact, I'd love to do a comparison on a STOCK 883 vs a stock M50! I know who would win. With enough improvements:eek: I'm sure the 883 could beat the stock M50...it would be totally immature for me to throw out a challenge to any stock 883 owners against my M50. Oh no, I just did it! Any takers?

[Ender EnZed]

Make sure there's a camera running.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I would love to do a track day at Manfield on the M50. In fact, I'd love to do a comparison on a STOCK 883 vs a stock M50! I know who would win. With enough improvements:eek: I'm sure the 883 could beat the stock M50...it would be totally immature for me to throw out a challenge to any stock 883 owners against my M50. Oh no, I just did it! Any takers?

Yep. I'll happily take your challenge. I've got a stock std 883 avail. Make sure your M50 is stock std. Loser parts with $1000.00 cash (for improvements). Fair?

[GrayWolf]

I prefer sport bikes and couldnt go back to owning just a harley again. But I do enjoy taking my lady's Iron for a blast (the one in the video). We have put about $2000 worth of performance and cosmetic upgrades into it. It runs great and we think it looks great too.

And there's the 'rub'.... buying the bike and then spending another 2k to get it where it should be from the start. I've ridden big block and sporty's. I'lll still admit the only one I can honestly say I'd own would be the XR1200... that's the 'gem' in the HD range. I just dont like the V rods look. but then I am not fussed on the M109 either.

[GrayWolf]

Yep. I'll happily take your challenge. I've got a stock std 883 avail. Make sure your M50 is stock std. Loser parts with $1000.00 cash (for improvements). Fair?

Just make sure they are BOTH ridden by Race riders, or by 'joe public' rider... Fair??

[GrayWolf]

Hey, lighten up dudes! The purpose of my original thread was simple: I loved the look of the 883 and wanted to evaluate whether or not it was worth the price. I also wanted to see how it stacked up against the performance of my cheap horrible, evil, evil, Jappa M50. My humble assessment was that it failed in every category that I consider relevant. Remember: this is my opinion, and I am aware of how precious we can be with brands we love. We should close this thread off with the reality that if you want to spend anywhere from 12k to 17k on an 883 to get it riding on a par with a brit or jappa (that can be bought for half the price)- then that is a personal choice. Just be aware that you can exceed the performance of the honorable 883 at a far lower price with just about any brit or jappa bike. I should point out that I did not even mention the virtues of shaft drive vs belt......don't go there!:devil2:

Then you could go the other way, as I have. Bike new was 27k on first shipments... XR1200 performance, big block motor and revs,,, Now many would say an MT-01 was overpriced, and maybe that is correct. About the same price as a base HD big block, but better handling, better brakes and a bit quicker...
Only 'REAL' advantage over the HD?
A lot more 'exclusive'...

[Maha]

:blink::facepalm:

''Great fun on the twisties'' ..means, 75-85 bends where indicated.

Reminds me of the warning sign on the Northern side of Mt Messenger which says 'Winding Road Be Patient'

[888]

Exactly- while the 883 in stock form would surely benefit from the 1K in improvements, I don't really need to do anything to the humble m50. Check out the link I posted where different cruisers were compared. So back to the challenge, I agree that we would need to have the bikes ridden by the same person to truly establish which one performs bettter. I would'nt mind taking the 1k off you (pretty much a given considering the tests that have already been done) so now onto the logistics of who rides both bikes and when.

[nzspokes]

so now onto the logistics of who rides both bikes and when.

I dont see the issue, you ride one each?:wait:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just make sure they are BOTH ridden by Race riders, or by 'joe public' rider... Fair??

I think the OP was busy saying he'd take on any 883 at Manfield. I happily accept.

[HenryDorsetCase]

And there's the 'rub'.... buying the bike and then spending another 2k to get it where it should be from the start. I've ridden big block and sporty's. I'lll still admit the only one I can honestly say I'd own would be the XR1200... that's the 'gem' in the HD range. I just dont like the V rods look. but then I am not fussed on the M109 either.

You kind of have to do that with any bike though. Or at least I do. :(

[HenryDorsetCase]

I think the OP was busy saying he'd take on any 883 at Manfield. I happily accept.

you used to race an 883, right? what happened to that? What was done to the motor? How did you lighten it? How did you upgrade the suspenders, give it ground clearance and brakes? Presumably jacking the back up with +150mm longer shocks would do that a bit? Did you dyno it? What did it end up with HP and torque wise? Was it a belt drive one or converted to chain?

Enquiring minds....

[Crasherfromwayback]

you used to race an 883, right? what happened to that? What was done to the motor? How did you lighten it? How did you upgrade the suspenders, give it ground clearance and brakes? Presumably jacking the back up with +150mm longer shocks would do that a bit? Did you dyno it? What did it end up with HP and torque wise? Was it a belt drive one or converted to chain?

Enquiring minds....

My old race bike is still floating round. I saw it came up on TM a while ago once more. We weren'y allowed to do a lot to them. I used piggy back Ohlins shocks, around 4" longer than stock. The bike came to me with clip ons, I went back to bigger bars for more leverage. It had Stortz rearsets. The only lightening you were allowed to do was removing the road gear and what you saved with the exhaust etc. Motor was on last oversize (883, not 1200). high flow aircleaner, ign with ab higer rev limit. Chain was used for the fact that you had a greater choice of sprockets, as gearing was really important. Brakes were std. Slowest thing I've ever road raced, but the most fun by far.

[Flip]

If you buy a 883 or M50 and are worried about the performance, man you have brought the wrong bike.

Both these bikes are cruiser "lifestyle" bikes. Sure you get more bike for your money with the Suzuki, but you dont get the custom choices. The HD will last a lot longer and is a much higher quality product.

I would be hard to make any meaningful comparison between these two bikes. They are so much the same but in other aspects they are so different eg push rod vs ohc. Harley keep making the old push rod twins because the market has dictated that they do so. Keep in mind you are comparing a mid-market level Suzuki with the entry level HD, I wonder how the Suzuki M50 would go against a Vrod? I bet the Vrod would clean its chronometer.

[munster]

Sure you get more bike for your money with the Suzuki, but you dont get the custom choices
Even as a proud M50 owner / rider, I'm not entering this better / worse argument, other than to say that there's plenty of aftermarket customising options for the M50. I've done forward controls, risers, seat and hope to do the exhaust as soon as finances allow.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Even as a proud M50 owner / rider, I'm not entering this better / worse argument, other than to say that there's plenty of aftermarket customising options for the M50. I've done forward controls, risers, seat and hope to do the exhaust as soon as finances allow.

Yeah the aftermarket is full of good bits for M50's. Just harder to get here at a decent cost. And gen Suzuki bits are silly dear here.

[actungbaby]

You are absolutely bang on with your comment; Harley does not try and compare with other brands. They sell the image, not the performance- and that is an excellent marketing ploy. I was wrong in my initial assumptions that the 883 would impress me and it very well might of done so, if I had not ridden "other" motorcycle brands (that focus on performance at an affordable cost). While the Suzuki M90 looks awesome and I'd love to have one, Triumph have some amazing cruisers that I would seriously consider as well...but lets get back to my original purpose in posting the thread: the 883 iron is a wildly overpriced and under performing cruiser. Don't forget the Royal Enfield if you want true class at a low cost......:msn-wink:

well thats cool thing its something diffrent like duke is diffrent to ktm gee like one those 690 ktms oh mummy

Though the other day did stand next to harley owner and his machine ,man was it lound and got distinkive exhust chuff chuff have to say was impressed with the bike ,i always owned hondas but haventl tryed a harley
I always oh there yuk but you know seeing one in metal and hearing it , i have to say if you liked it ,you whould
Fall in love with one over time , one thing you choudint say that lacked charcter. or was boring

I always liked the 883 sporters a buell probley be what i go for if won lotto

But for me dream bikes whould be

1. trumph 675

2 suzuki gsx 1000 r

3. cbr 1000 r

4. truimph 900cc tripple

5.ktm 590

6. early moto mori 500cc vtwin 80s they looked nice read great things about them

I see they have new bike on market to so many good bikes to chosse from

oh trow in honda firestorm , or sv 650 suzuki nice..

7 kawaski 1400 oh lord thats scary bike lastest model

[Flip]

Even as a proud M50 owner / rider, I'm not entering this better / worse argument, other than to say that there's plenty of aftermarket customising options for the M50. I've done forward controls, risers, seat and hope to do the exhaust as soon as finances allow.

The custom parts you can get for HD simply defies belief. Just the factory custom parts book in the size of a phone book and they are just one supplier, the custom chrome one is even bigger.

[Maha]

Without the 883, Pinkhoggirl would just be..........Girl :rolleyes:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php/3980-pinkhoggirl

[The Lone Rider]

Only in a lame blue colour in NZ

Heard a rumor and joke that this was because Honda NZ got a sweet deal buying up all the blue ones that no one else wanted to order. Wouldn't mind trying one though!



All the other stuff

...can't be bothered.

[98tls]

The custom parts you can get for HD simply defies belief. Just the factory custom parts book in the size of a phone book and they are just one supplier, the custom chrome one is even bigger.

Chrome?whats this chrome thing you speak of?Looked ok on the bar-end mirror of an 850 Commando but thats about it.

[GrayWolf]

I think the OP was busy saying he'd take on any 883 at Manfield. I happily accept.

Hardly a realistic test then is it? But maybe that would suit you. He isnt a race rider, you are/were on an 883... We both know substantial amounts of time can be gained over faster bikes by a rider with race experience on a track.. so no, if its is to be a valid performance 'test' both need to be ridden under the same conditions...

[ellipsis]

...i thought the test was between the bikes...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Chrome?whats this chrome thing you speak of?Looked ok on the bar-end mirror of an 850 Commando but thats about it.

the cool customising trend is blacked out these days. Think RSD or those type of things. Tassles and chrome are out.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Hardly a realistic test then is it? But maybe that would suit you. He isnt a race rider, you are/were on an 883... We both know substantial amounts of time can be gained over faster bikes by a rider with race experience on a track.. so no, if its is to be a valid performance 'test' both need to be ridden under the same conditions...

you're talking about it as if its something that might happen. It won't

[nzspokes]

Best test will be which one does the best wheelies. :banana:

[Shadows]

Hardly a realistic test then is it? But maybe that would suit you. He isnt a race rider, you are/were on an 883... We both know substantial amounts of time can be gained over faster bikes by a rider with race experience on a track.. so no, if its is to be a valid performance 'test' both need to be ridden under the same conditions...

I'll do it. I guarantee I'll kick my arse.

[munster]

Best test will be which one does the best wheelies. :banana:
Don't know about best, but I can confirm the M50 will wheelie :shit:

[bluebird]

I have the best of both worlds..a Suzuki M109R and a '99 Harley 1200 sportster, different but both huge fun for different reasons. The 109 to ride long distance and the sportster for fun few hours.

[AllanB]

And there's the 'rub'.... buying the bike and then spending another 2k to get it where it should be from the start..

Oh come on - I've spent that on my Hornet - pipes (cheap from the USA), Ohlins from RT, other little gems. Every second sports bike I see has darn near $15,00-2k invested in a slip on muffler. The $ is not to take it when it was 'meant' to be but where you want it.

If you want a cookie cutter, keep it 100% stock. Me I'll always mod mine.

And yes, in a perfect world I'd rather have a naked MV than my Hornet. But it an't gonna happen unless lotto comes in. And if it did, I'd no doubt change something!

[Crasherfromwayback]

you're talking about it as if its something that might happen. It won't

Correct. The Harley knockers are looking for every single excuse they can find. Me saying I've ridden both extensively, and saying the 883 is sporty-er (see what I did there?) will never sit well with them. Even though I have no reason to be bias. I sell both ffs.

Hand on heart...I can ride a stock 883 round Manfield quicker than I ever could a stock M50.

[GrayWolf]

And yes, in a perfect world I'd rather have a naked MV than my Hornet. But it an't gonna happen unless lotto comes in. And if it did, I'd no doubt change something!

Then maybe you should buy a HD, after all its expected to change something on them :rolleyes:

[The Pastor]

the main problem with crusiers is you have to get a 1200cc+ to get ANY sorta up and go out of them.

Ive got an 1100, and its just so damn slow

[GrayWolf]

the main problem with crusiers is you have to get a 1200cc+ to get ANY sorta up and go out of them.

Ive got an 1100, and its just so damn slow

Cruisers are'nt MEANT to be fast, hence the term 'CRUISER'..... low revs, easy power, good torque, relaxed riding...

[The Pastor]

Cruisers are'nt MEANT to be fast, hence the term 'CRUISER'..... low revs, easy power, good torque, relaxed riding...

fuck off why would you want slow motorbike?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Oh come on - I've spent that on my Hornet - pipes (cheap from the USA), Ohlins from RT, other little gems. Every second sports bike I see has darn near $15,00-2k invested in a slip on muffler. The $ is not to take it when it was 'meant' to be but where you want it.

If you want a cookie cutter, keep it 100% stock. Me I'll always mod mine.

And yes, in a perfect world I'd rather have a naked MV than my Hornet. But it an't gonna happen unless lotto comes in. And if it did, I'd no doubt change something!

If you're looking at an MV, you should probably test a new V4 Aprilia Tuono. I'd have one.

[HenryDorsetCase]

fuck off why would you want slow motorbike?

because some of us think with our branes, not our testicles, and are unconcerned what our "mates" think. Some of us have been there and done that and had the t shirt so long we are using it as a polishing rag in our garage full of all different sort of bikes. Some of us dont like to go hard on the road any more due to the unsporting nature of the rules around getting caught doing over 140kph "speeding" (in first or second gear). Some of us want to take our significant others out for a pootle on a ride where they are comfortable, and can look at the scenery, some like to "prove" how big their nads are by actually racing. Some like to do trackdays.

Different strokes for different folks: Who do you think you are to criticise anyone's choice?

[The Pastor]

because some of us think with our branes, not our testicles, and are unconcerned what our "mates" think. Some of us have been there and done that and had the t shirt so long we are using it as a polishing rag in our garage full of all different sort of bikes. Some of us dont like to go hard on the road any more due to the unsporting nature of the rules around getting caught doing over 140kph "speeding" (in first or second gear). Some of us want to take our significant others out for a pootle on a ride where they are comfortable, and can look at the scenery, some like to "prove" how big their nads are by actually racing. Some like to do trackdays.

Different strokes for different folks: Who do you think you are to criticise anyone's choice?

dunno what your on about, i have no mates, ride alone, and ride a cruiser way over 140km/hr

[Paul in NZ]

because some of us think with our branes,

Darn - that's an unfortunate typo..... HDC :lol:

[HenryDorsetCase]

dunno what your on about, i have no mates, ride alone, and ride a cruiser way over 140km/hr

of course you do.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Darn - that's an unfortunate typo..... HDC :lol:

what makes you think it was a typo?

[The Pastor]

Costs about $1500.00, depending on model year. A 1200 kitted 883, will then actually go better than a 1200.

Why ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Why ?

The 883 heads have a smaller combustion chamber, so they run at a higher compression ratio. They also have diff size ports and create better intake velocity.

[The Pastor]

because some of us think with our branes, not our testicles, and are unconcerned what our "mates" think. Some of us have been there and done that and had the t shirt so long we are using it as a polishing rag in our garage full of all different sort of bikes. Some of us dont like to go hard on the road any more due to the unsporting nature of the rules around getting caught doing over 140kph "speeding" (in first or second gear). Some of us want to take our significant others out for a pootle on a ride where they are comfortable, and can look at the scenery, some like to "prove" how big their nads are by actually racing. Some like to do trackdays.

Different strokes for different folks: Who do you think you are to criticise anyone's choice?

Also, you can ride a fast motorbike slow....

IMO a bike needs to have a get up and go. You can have all the torque you want, you have a big torque cakewalk right through the middle of Tienamen Square and it won't make a lick of difference, because a nice powerful engine is one of the best things about riding.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Also, you can ride a fast motorbike slow....

IMO a bike needs to have a get up and go. You can have all the torque you want, you have a big torque cakewalk right through the middle of Tienamen Square and it won't make a lick of difference, because a nice powerful engine is one of the best things about riding.

hilarious: what do you think torque IS, numbnuts?

[The Pastor]

hilarious: what do you think torque IS, numbnuts?

(5252*hp)/RPM = Torque. ;-P

Heres the kicker, people always go "it dosent have much HP, but man the torque is AWESOME"

But I've always said, Why not have both.

[HenryDorsetCase]

(5252*hp)/RPM = Torque. ;-P

Heres the kicker, people always go "it dosent have much HP, but man the torque is AWESOME"

But I've always said, Why not have both.

horsepower is an abstraction: the relationship is torques and rpm: which is why the curves always cross at 5250rpm (its to do with the magic and stuff) so what you're doing is confusing rpm and torque (or something: will a mechanical engineer please help me out here!??!).

[The Pastor]

horsepower is an abstraction: the relationship is torques and rpm: which is why the curves always cross at 5250rpm (its to do with the magic and stuff) so what you're doing is confusing rpm and torque (or something: will a mechanical engineer please help me out here!??!).

The 5252 comes in to convert the units (its used when using the ft-lbs measurement).

Consider this (figures 100% made up maybe wont workout in an equation?)

bike 1 - 60hp @ 5000 RPM, 80ft0lbs torque @ 3400 RPM

bike 2 - 100hp @ 6000 RPM, 80ft0lbs torque @ 3800 RPM

Which one is faster?

[HenryDorsetCase]

The 5252 comes in to convert the units (its used when using the ft-lbs measurement).

Consider this (figures 100% made up maybe wont workout in an equation?)

bike 1 - 60hp @ 5000 RPM, 80ft0lbs torque @ 3400 RPM

bike 2 - 100hp @ 6000 RPM, 80ft0lbs torque @ 3800 RPM

Which one is faster?

What is "faster" in this context? 0-10mph? 0-60 mph? 0-100mph? absolute top speed? rollon from 50-80mph?

what does each one weigh with rider? how is each one geared? does one have aerodynamic aids and one not?

I gett he feeling we are talking past each other, and I am not confident enough in my grasp of this stuff to give you the seeing-to that you richly seem to deserve. Though there is a possibility I am talking out my arse too.

[The Pastor]

What is "faster" in this context? 0-10mph? 0-60 mph? 0-100mph? absolute top speed? rollon from 50-80mph?

what does each one weigh with rider? how is each one geared? does one have aerodynamic aids and one not?

I gett he feeling we are talking past each other, and I am not confident enough in my grasp of this stuff to give you the seeing-to that you richly seem to deserve. Though there is a possibility I am talking out my arse too.


All im saying is, a more power engine is better.

[Smifffy]

All im saying is, a more power engine is better.

Oh brother! :facepalm:

[The Pastor]

Oh brother! :facepalm:

well its like when you compare a honda to a hyosung.

Its apples and pairs.

[AllanB]

[QUOTE=renegade master;1130333565]well its like when you compare a honda to a hyosung.
QUOTE]

Hyosung are the new gay.......

[Ender EnZed]

a more power engine is better.

Because racebike.

[Madness]

... Why not have both.

We can't all ride Viragos, that would be ghey.

[ducatilover]

After much thought I cannot see why people "just want" a Harley, a bike doesn't make you cool, it's the tats and sluts.

I have a theory though, it's the same reason I love Ducatis. I've piloted a few Harleys, hated them, thought they could do better. I've ridden a few Dukes, they were also a bit poo, but I really want one. There's no sound logic.
Is it love mummy? :baby:

[scumdog]

fuck off why would you want slow motorbike?

Why not????

[scumdog]

All im saying is, a more power engine is better.

If you're a boy...:rolleyes:

[ducatilover]

Why not????

Because racecar.

[waspnz]

After much thought I cannot see why people "just want" a Harley, a bike doesn't make you cool, it's the tats and sluts.

I have a theory though, it's the same reason I love Ducatis. I've piloted a few Harleys, hated them, thought they could do better. I've ridden a few Dukes, they were also a bit poo, but I really want one. There's no sound logic.
Is it love mummy? :baby:

For me its the look, the sound and the heritage. Same reason I would buy a particular american car. It has nothing to do with looking cool.

[ducatilover]

For me its the look, the sound and the heritage. Same reason I would buy a particular american car. It has nothing to do with looking cool.

A well reasoned reply on Kiwibiker? Oh dear me...
:2thumbsup
Possibly the same reason I love Alfas then?

[GrayWolf]

fuck off why would you want slow motorbike?

Do you really think i will take what you say seriously, when your first words are an expletive? Go and buy a CBR250RR and join the other 'brain out' brigade.

[GrayWolf]

All im saying is, a more power engine is better.

Well lets see. I own an 1100 with 145bhp, and about 80f t lbs of torque, max rpm 11500.... or a 1700 with 88bhp and 110ft lbs of torque max rpm 5500
One produces 'astronomical' power at 6000 rpm (150kph in top)...... One produces great power at 2250 rpm ( 90kph in top) Which one produces the more 'usable' power?
Guess which one I prefer?

[ducatilover]

Do you really think i will take what you say seriously, when your first words are an expletive? Go and buy a CBR250RR and join the other 'brain out' brigade.
I'm pretty sure he's owned a fair few of them and one rather trick one. :bleh:

Well lets see. I own an 1100 with 145bhp, and about 80f t lbs of torque, max rpm 11500.... or a 1700 with 88bhp and 110ft lbs of torque max rpm 5500
One produces 'astronomical' power at 6000 rpm (150kph in top)...... One produces great power at 2250 rpm ( 90kph in top) Which one produces the more 'usable' power?
Guess which one I prefer?
You keep telling me how much better you MT is as an all round bike. So I propose this: Give me the 1100. :2thumbsup
Or, instead of buying an MT you could have geared the ZZR down, that would be an interesting thing :baby:

[GrayWolf]

I'm pretty sure he's owned a fair few of them and one rather trick one. :bleh:

Yeh and his brain is still stuck in 250 mentality. :baby:

You keep telling me how much better you MT is as an all round bike. So I propose this: Give me the 1100. :2thumbsup
Or, instead of buying an MT you could have geared the ZZR down, that would be an interesting thing :baby:

Well here's MY propsal... Sell your mother/wife/sister/dog, sell your bikes and BUY the 1100 from me at a 'snip' price..... We can discuss terms :rolleyes:
Yes I keep saying it, becauase the MT IS a better all rounder for general riding. As a destroyer of Continents? The ZZR is par excellence.
Now why would I gear down the ZZR? to make it as 'good' as the old FJ or the MT at 90kph roll on's.. the bloody thing would need a 'fat bastard' ... (oooops thats me), to keep the farking front end down.... No thanks!!

[ducatilover]

Well here's MY propsal... Sell your mother/wife/sister/dog, sell your bikes and BUY the 1100 from me at a 'snip' price..... We can discuss terms :rolleyes: I don't think there's anything I'd sell my ZZR for:cool:

Yes I keep saying it, becauase the MT IS a better all rounder for general riding. As a destroyer of Continents? The ZZR is par excellence.
I can't take your word for it because I really, really want to ride an MT :baby:

Now why would I gear down the ZZR? to make it as 'good' as the old FJ or the MT at 90kph roll on's.. the bloody thing would need a 'fat bastard' ... (oooops thats me), to keep the farking front end down.... No thanks!!
Sounds like I'd enjoy it with short gearing... :headbang:


On a slightly serious note, I'm not surprised you find the MT a better all round bike. I wish I didn't need to wait for 7000rpm to get proper mental on mine. :rolleyes: Warp drive in 6th at 90 must be brilliant

[GrayWolf]

I don't think there's anything I'd sell my ZZR for:cool:

I can't take your word for it because I really, really want to ride an MT :baby:

Sounds like I'd enjoy it with short gearing... :headbang:


On a slightly serious note, I'm not surprised you find the MT a better all round bike. I wish I didn't need to wait for 7000rpm to get proper mental on mine. :rolleyes: Warp drive in 6th at 90 must be brilliant

6th? Noooo the MT's a 'real man's' bike... only needs 5 gears... if you want to have a real hoot for gearing ride a VN1500c (the one with the silly chrome ait filter pods just under the headstoc) they only have 4 gears.... Bloody great hoot!! Really took me back to my youth when i had that.

[888]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGyKBFCd_u4

don't know if I loaded this video on correctly, but is shore is funny....:killingme

[The Lone Rider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGyKBFCd_u4

don't know if I loaded this video on correctly, but is shore is funny....:killingme

Back when that first aired in the USA, I showed a few guys.

We found it funny as piss, and for awhile any time we sat at a red light, the club would collectively go brrbrmbrmbrmbrbmrmbrm until the light changed or we started laughing.

Maybe you had to be there to see the funny side of it.

[John Hunter]

Funny, I intend to buy a cruiser next, and I am fixated on a H-D Nightster. Or perhaps an Iron. Dont want a big twin. (I'm short so the Sporty fits me). Ive really enjoyed the bikes I have test ridden, but I just cannot reconcile the prices: in particular the used prices people are asking. A Nightster brand new was $16.5k, and people want $14 to $15k second hand. Usually theyve fucked them up by putting forward controls on them, or whatever. I had in mind $11k as a budget: Id probably get an Iron for that, or an 883R.

But


I can go to my local Honda dealer and buy a brand new VT750S for $12500. Its the same motor as the VT750C but it is lighter. a bit taller. Has chain drive and is a Honda. 3 valve cylinder heads, EFI, 2 year warranty. Decent ergos (I have sat, not ridden) very well finished, and there is a thriving aftermarket for them out of the US. Only in a lame blue colour in NZ not the flat track inspired scheme but I would paint it purple metalflake anyway (quoted $800 from a client who is a painter).

I'd rather have the Honda. Also check these out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IGdJqqFu-E

http://www.honda-motorcycles.co.nz/BikeModel/426/vt750s

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2010/12/18/cobra-builds-a-honda-scrambler-and-tracker-from-an-rs750-shadow/


that dirt track custom is well cool.

anyone want to buy my scooter? and shares in a kidney?

Hey I know your post is way back in 2012, but did you ever end up buying the Honda VT750S ? I have just bought a 2012 model, super impressed with it and it looks great. Only thing I want to know is whether I can have the seat customized to suit a pillion passenger? Is it worthwhile or am I wasting my time with this idea?