Custom rear-set (foot controls) market validation

[bogan]

I'd like some riders to fill out a 4 question survey about some top quality customised foot controls I plan to bring to market later this year.

First, some product background so you know the point of difference to the existing rear-sets. The plan is to make the pegs to each riders specification, so they can choose to have the footpeg back 10mm from standard, or up 12.3mm, or whatever position can fit around the other components. There are a number of other options I am looking into, including the provision of a fit kit, which will be sent out to the riders so they can establish where the pegs are most comfortable, and send the adjusted fit kit back so I can make the final product. There will be a single piece from the frame to the peg, instead of the holey plate used by adjustable peg manufacturers. Hope that is crystal clear...

This is the market validation stage, which both checks for a market, and allows the market to determine what the final product will be like. So any extra input (even if it is just saying how much the survey has missed out) is much appreciated, ta.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/88NWDYM

[hayd3n]

would prefer folding pegs and optional pillion foot rest attachments

[tigertim20]

I'd like some riders to fill out a 4 question survey about some top quality customised foot controls I plan to bring to market later this year.

First, some product background so you know the point of difference to the existing rear-sets. The plan is to make the pegs to each riders specification, so they can choose to have the footpeg back 10mm from standard, or up 12.3mm, or whatever position can fit around the other components. There are a number of other options I am looking into, including the provision of a fit kit, which will be sent out to the riders so they can establish where the pegs are most comfortable, and send the adjusted fit kit back so I can make the final product. There will be a single piece from the frame to the peg, instead of the holey plate used by adjustable peg manufacturers. Hope that is crystal clear...

This is the market validation stage, which both checks for a market, and allows the market to determine what the final product will be like. So any extra input (even if it is just saying how much the survey has missed out) is much appreciated, ta.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/88NWDYM

so basically, made to order fixed rearsets?
sounds good, but I know from experience that after flipping a bike and snapping the pegs off, there is a bonus to be had from the multi-hole base plates, you can remount the broken side in the existing holes and go back out again DAMHIK...

The only problem I can see with your idea is the bit where you send stuff out and the client sends back details, for two reasons.
1. youre probably sending them enough info to just get the pegs made cheaper elsewhere, and more importantly, you are breaking the first rule of engineering (ok, MY first rule) NEVER make something off some other cunts measurements. Id be concerned about the ability of joe average rider to actually get the measurements right, Youll make it to their spec no doubt, but because THEY fucked up, youll get the blame that it aint right.

Hayd3n has a good point too, I hear of alot of people complaining about the lack of folding peg options on aftermarket rearsets - could be something that makes the difference between someone buying your stuff over another set if you have that option available

[bogan]

yeh, made to order fixed rearsets is a good way of putting it. Tbh, crash recovery is not really so much of a priority, guess the customer could order a spare set of the main mount parts though if that were a priority for them.

yeh good point about the folding pegs hayd3n, makes it a bit more complex to make, but good to know thats a desired feature. Pillion pegs would be a little more difficult, as the part size would go way up...

The client will send the bits back as well if they go for that option, not just details, so I can measure off that. Also if the customer tells me to put the peg in a place which is not comfortable for them, then they can order some more at a reduced cost (they might have to send the old bits back).

[hayd3n]

yeh good point about the folding pegs hayd3n, makes it a bit more complex to make, but good to know thats a desired feature. Pillion pegs would be a little more difficult, as the part size would go way up...



just for bikes like the hornet and ducati monster they have the pillion pegs attached the the rear sets
gillies do make rearsets for the hornet with attachments to also have pillions

but i have never liked pegs that dont fold, and its always put me off buying rearsets

[bogan]

just for bikes like the hornet and ducati monster they have the pillion pegs attached the the rear sets
gillies do make rearsets for the hornet with attachments to also have pillions

but i have never liked pegs that dont fold, and its always put me off buying rearsets

Yeh, my vt250 was the same. Its definitely doable, but its going to cost a lot more than for other bikes, which may reduce the market size a lot. So the margins may only become attractive after the setup stage, when my production capacity and automation get quite large.

I used to think folding were the way to go, but the only benefit I see is to have a little warning for too much lean. In an off I think its much of a muchness, sometimes the peg saves the frame from gravel rash, sometimes it digs in and flips the bike. Worth offering though, as it's one more component, but it'll be a standard one.

[tigertim20]

Yeh, my vt250 was the same. Its definitely doable, but its going to cost a lot more than for other bikes, which may reduce the market size a lot. So the margins may only become attractive after the setup stage, when my production capacity and automation get quite large.

I used to think folding were the way to go, but the only benefit I see is to have a little warning for too much lean. In an off I think its much of a muchness, sometimes the peg saves the frame from gravel rash, sometimes it digs in and flips the bike. Worth offering though, as it's one more component, but it'll be a standard one.

you might want to do some bike specific forum hopping, youll find out weird shit like 2006 and 2001 R1's can swap rearsets which may be helpful with selling, knowing what items will fit other stuff

[bogan]

Bump for the daytime crowd.

Would like a few more people to fill it out for race use, and those who currently run aftermarket pegs. As well as anyone else of course.

[DEATH_INC.]

but i have never liked pegs that dont fold, and its always put me off buying rearsets
Have ya ever ridden with rearsets? The biggest thing for me is they are more rigid (partly because they don't fold) and give much better feel.
Btw, the survey needs an option for trackdayers too.

[bogan]

Trackdayers can just put down racers, same use in that it is short fast riding.

Also, who's the champ who entered 50 bucks at 11:22 this morning... the aluminum alone is worth that, not to mention the bearings and fasteners :rolleyes:

[carburator]

I would want the option of folding pegs.
being able to have "custom" kick plates ( seen some cool ones in the states )

decent hardware ( stainless steel capscrews ) not crap shit!
decent rosejoints!
DECENT bronze bearings in the joints..

the problem with kiwis is we are tighter than a ducks ass
when it comes to opening our wallets for quality stuff

lets face it, you have plate, hardware , hard anodizing
machinetool running costs bla bla bla..

as tigertim put it joe public would'nt even own a vernier
let alone know how to measure bolt centers and offsets..

im certainly not knocking the spirit of making a buck or three
and getting ahead in life but what id look at instead of custom on off
( which time cost drawing up and machining ) go more down the route
of interchangable items..

[bogan]

yeh decent components are a must, I have good supplier for bearings (better than bronze, tough if i do a cheaper version it'll be bronze) and ZP cap screws, need to find a decent supplier of rose joints if anybody knows of one?

Joe public only has to tell me how many mm to go back/forward, or up/down, and thats only if they don't use the fit kit.

[nzspokes]

Ive got a job for you now......

I just need some extenders for my peg mounts.

[nzspokes]

If I send you a drawing of what I need are you ready to make stuff yet?

It will just be a basic 10mm plate to move my plates back and down. Only need them to go back about 10-15mm.

Also probably get you to make that fork plate at some stage.

[bogan]

If I send you a drawing of what I need are you ready to make stuff yet?

It will just be a basic 10mm plate to move my plates back and down. Only need them to go back about 10-15mm.

Also probably get you to make that fork plate at some stage.

Still not ready, got a few bits on the way though, hopefully next week it'll be good to go...

[bogan]

Idea has progressed into prototype and website... http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/151464-Bogan-s-Custom-Fitted-Rearsets-Pre-Order-Interest?p=1130360665#post1130360665