Calling all Bush Lawyers

[mashman]

We were supposed to be doing the BBQ at the kids netball this weekend, but I've just been told by Mrs Mash that we're not. At first I thought that they had heard about my cooking, but no. The story goes... an independent vendor rocked up last weekend and said that the schools didn't have a permit to sell cooked food at sports grounds, but as luck would have it, he did.. and he wasn't going to allow the practice to continue. Other than pissing me off coz me can't get no practice at not turning meat into charcoal brickette, it annoys the shit out of me because it raises funds for the schools taking part.

So, bush lawyers, if I rock up with a bag of snaggers and sell them raw, can I then offer to cook them for free on my BBQ and I might even throw in a hot dog roll and some sauce? What say thee?

[paturoa]

I'd tell him to fuck off on principal (if it happened like you say).

[St_Gabriel]

IANA(B)L but I think "Fuck him". Call his bluff, if he calls council or the police they can sort it there and then (hopefully after you have offloaded your stash of meaty goodness). But also remind him about the potential for bad publicity about not allowing a school charity to raise funds and that the poor fluffy kittens will suffer as a consequence.

Whatever happens, please let us know how it turns out.

[JustNick]

Fuck him, just do it.

[mashman]

Hmmmm, according to the PCC website it's any food that is being sold at sports grounds, not just cooked. However I have another plan... but it depends on how far the schools are willing to go.

[tigertim20]

Hmmmm, according to the PCC website it's any food that is being sold at sports grounds, not just cooked. However I have another plan... but it depends on how far the schools are willing to go.

tell the cunt to fuck off.
fire up your barbie, and in the incredibly unlikely event that anyone in officialdom comes along, plead ignorance and say 'what about all the places that to sausage sizzles at school galas and outside the warehouse?'

[Woodman]

yup, just rock on up and do it anyway. if the guy says anything then tell him to go fuck himself.

[Gremlin]

fire up your barbie, and in the incredibly unlikely event that anyone in officialdom comes along, plead ignorance and say 'what about all the places that to sausage sizzles at school galas and outside the warehouse?'
They are affected as well... I do remember some law about selling to public, or something about raising food standards. Yes, all those average fundraising BBQs etc were affected.

The way that one guy is going about it though, thank him for his bias, ask for his details and say "Thanks, now we know who not to call"

[FJRider]

So, bush lawyers, if I rock up with a bag of snaggers and sell them raw, can I then offer to cook them for free on my BBQ and I might even throw in a hot dog roll and some sauce? What say thee?

Food for SALE must have a permit ... food for a donation ... ??? A sign explaining to joe public the reason for asking for a donation and naming the "permit holding other vendor" ... and let the public decide ...

[haydes55]

Put him out of business for being a wanker, Hold a sign saying "___ doesn't support the school and isn't letting a charity sausage sizzle take place, boycott ___ and grab a sausage from over the road and support your school" Offer free delivery of sausages sold on the road or across the road.

[Zedder]

I'm with Totara, Rimu, Kauri and partners Ltd and unless you have an Occasional Food Sellers Licence, you are not legal to sell those snarlers Mashy.

[Scuba_Steve]

What sports ground is this Westpac stadium or something? Maybee you just need to hand out a couple sausages in exchange for some biker presence :devil2:

[scracha]

AFAIK, technically ALL sausage sizzles and even selling bloody fairy cakes are illegal. Stupid bloody Kiwi's. That said...ever heard of the rozzers prosecuting anyone flogging food for charity? Neither have I. Clever bloody Kiwi's.

Tell said stall holder to go forth and self-procreate.

This new "food bill" going through the gubbernment may turn it all to bollox though.

[mashman]

I made my enquiries and as such the parent that I spoke to liked the idea, but they want to follow it through the official channels. If I did "sell" food down there it's the sports facility that'll get stung for allowing me to "sell" the food :mad:... Indeed the world has gone utterly crazy.

[Big Dave]

I'll have two botulism burgers and a salmonella with hepatitis sandwich thanks.

[mashman]

I'll have two botulism burgers and a salmonella with hepatitis Sandwich thanks.

Would you like special cheese with that?

[Big Dave]

Double aged and smoked Smegma.

[mashman]

Would you like it flaked or as a paste?

[Tigadee]

:sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

[tnarg]

Hope this link helps. http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/foodsafety/pdfs/sausage-sizzles.pdf

[Foxzee]

We have the same problem here as our kids are entered as a school team but play in the NB Assoc League. They play not at school grounds but the "Official" Courts..we are subjected to undercooked sausages that are from repossessed dog roll, onions that are fried beyond fried and coffee that I'm sure the water has just been taken straight from the creek and sugar added and no coffee as the colour is right but the taste is awful. We are not allowed to sell food on "Official" rounds as they have competent suppliers on site...(beg to differ)...What we have done is organised a fundraiser BBQ after the game using the Meat Export Warehouse and handed flyers to all on the courts and supplied coffee FOC!....

[Winston001]

Cripes I dunno Mashie. I've spent many hours on fund-raising BBQs outside the Warehouse etc and they can be good earners but lots of work. The latest food safety regs kinda knock that on the head although every council has its own local interpretation. Councils don't want to be heavy-handed with volunteer groups but they can't have people getting sick either.

All I can suggest is use gloves and paper towels and get a permit.

The vendor who caused you grief probably earns $25k in a good year and is desperate to keep his place. I know a guy who did this and he made zero year on year, but loved cooking food for rallies and events. He was lucky enough to be subsidised by his understanding family.

[mashman]

We have the same problem here as our kids are entered as a school team but play in the NB Assoc League. They play not at school grounds but the "Official" Courts..we are subjected to undercooked sausages that are from repossessed dog roll, onions that are fried beyond fried and coffee that I'm sure the water has just been taken straight from the creek and sugar added and no coffee as the colour is right but the taste is awful. We are not allowed to sell food on "Official" rounds as they have competent suppliers on site...(beg to differ)...What we have done is organised a fundraiser BBQ after the game using the Meat Export Warehouse and handed flyers to all on the courts and supplied coffee FOC!....

Love that idea... shame everyone sprints for their cars once the game is over. Not sure how many teams play but they're at it from 8:30 til 16:00 and they must make a small fortune... shame it is subject to such stoopid rules eh. Fortunately there'll be a licensed vendor there in case people get hungry. It'll be interesting to see the outcome as some of the families "affected" are lawyers... and we all know what a, erm, lovely bunch of people they are :shifty:

[unstuck]

Fuck it, just get all catholic on it. Do what you want, then ask forgiveness. A few hail marys and she's all good.:Punk:

[Usarka]

Hmmmm, according to the PCC website it's any food that is being sold at sports grounds, not just cooked. However I have another plan... but it depends on how far the schools are willing to go.

Give the sausages away free, then charge people to cook the sausages that they now own.

[p.dath]

I'd give the local council a call and find out what's involved to get a permit. It might be as simple as reading a bit of paper and parting with some cash.

[jasonu]

We were supposed to be doing the BBQ at the kids netball this weekend, but I've just been told by Mrs Mash that we're not. At first I thought that they had heard about my cooking, but no. The story goes... an independent vendor rocked up last weekend and said that the schools didn't have a permit to sell cooked food at sports grounds, but as luck would have it, he did.. and he wasn't going to allow the practice to continue. Other than pissing me off coz me can't get no practice at not turning meat into charcoal brickette, it annoys the shit out of me because it raises funds for the schools taking part.

So, bush lawyers, if I rock up with a bag of snaggers and sell them raw, can I then offer to cook them for free on my BBQ and I might even throw in a hot dog roll and some sauce? What say thee?

Is this guy even a Kiwi and does he know there is nothing more Kiwi than a suasage sizzle to raise a few pingers for the kids?

[Maha]

yup, just rock on up and do it anyway. if the guy says anything then tell him to go fuck himself.

.....with his own sausage!

[jasonu]

We have the same problem here as our kids are entered as a school team but play in the NB Assoc League. They play not at school grounds but the "Official" Courts..we are subjected to undercooked sausages that are from repossessed dog roll, onions that are fried beyond fried and coffee that I'm sure the water has just been taken straight from the creek and sugar added and no coffee as the colour is right but the taste is awful. We are not allowed to sell food on "Official" rounds as they have competent suppliers on site...(beg to differ)...What we have done is organised a fundraiser BBQ after the game using the Meat Export Warehouse and handed flyers to all on the courts and supplied coffee FOC!....

Are you sure that wasn't at the PUKEkohe Raceway.

[Swoop]

Fuck it, just get all catholic on it. A few hail marys and she's all good.
Does the priest come along to the BBQ to bugger the young boys, or is that just limited to church ceremonies?

[Mully]

I'd give the local council a call and find out what's involved to get a permit. It might be as simple as reading a bit of paper and parting with some cash.

Yep - this.

Might be just "registering" and promising to be a good boy

No point in being a Drama Llama if that's all it is.

[Big Dave]

The Llama? On here?

[Katman]

I can talk to some people.

:stoogie:

[scracha]

Is this guy even a Kiwi and does he know there is nothing more Kiwi than a suasage sizzle to raise a few pingers for the kids?

Yeah...cos it's soooooooo different to the Aussie sausage sizzle.



Don't waste your time with the bureaucratic idiots at your local council. If you bring it to their attention then they have to do summit about it. You'll have to pay them a brib....sorry....permit fee. Disposable gloves and napkins seem like a good idea.

[mashman]

I'd give the local council a call and find out what's involved to get a permit. It might be as simple as reading a bit of paper and parting with some cash.

There are folk dealing with that... here's hoping it's not at the usual snails pace.


Is this guy even a Kiwi and does he know there is nothing more Kiwi than a suasage sizzle to raise a few pingers for the kids?

Of course he's a Kiwi as he's taking money away from the kids and knows that they can't do fuck all about it... just like the leader of the country :eek:

[Winston001]

I was just helpin a sausage sizzle, I didn't expect the Spanish Llama?

[FROSTY]

Hey mashman Years ago to help pay for racing I ran a legal /permitted hot dog stand on a friday/saturday night.
trust me on this one. Avoid the officials -its a total nightmare.
You need a food hygene cert, cool storage,washing facilities etc etc
Not wanting to cause you strife here but is it possible that in fact the other vendor is the official vendor for the grounds?.--Ie they pay to be there and have all the legal stuff required.
I know if I was paying good money for exclusive rights to a venue I'd be mighty peeved if someone set up in competition to me.

Just a thought--I love the idea and the thinking behind it. Have you concidered aproaching Mithre 10 or the red shed?
In west dorkland every saturday and sunday theres an "official" sausage sizzle out front -I think the shop supplies all the gear/legal stuff and the cricket/hockey/netball club supplies the food and gas and staffing.

[mashman]

Hey mashman Years ago to help pay for racing I ran a legal /permitted hot dog stand on a friday/saturday night.
trust me on this one. Avoid the officials -its a total nightmare.
You need a food hygene cert, cool storage,washing facilities etc etc
Not wanting to cause you strife here but is it possible that in fact the other vendor is the official vendor for the grounds?.--Ie they pay to be there and have all the legal stuff required.
I know if I was paying good money for exclusive rights to a venue I'd be mighty peeved if someone set up in competition to me.

Just a thought--I love the idea and the thinking behind it. Have you concidered aproaching Mithre 10 or the red shed?
In west dorkland every saturday and sunday theres an "official" sausage sizzle out front -I think the shop supplies all the gear/legal stuff and the cricket/hockey/netball club supplies the food and gas and staffing.

Cheers Frosty... I had a brief look see what it entailed the other day, as have other parents, and you don't just need food storage, you need a fridge as cool boxes just don't cut it anymore :blink:... Tis a pisser as the schools have been doing these things for a while without people getting poisoned etc... and then this fella turns up with his license to cook. Hey ho, I guess the rules are the rules for a reason (tui).

I wish it were that easy. You need a licence essentially. It looks like it's nothing to do with food safety other than there may be a course involved on how to keep food from poisoning people. Yes I realise that that's a contradiction in terms, but it isn't like people are going out of their way to poison others. The thing that gets me is that even though this guy has a licence, his kids could be the ones doing the prep/cooking etc... as there's nothing to say that HE has to be responsible for the action, just responsible for the outcome should someone get ill. There's no real logic in it and judging by the comments I think we all see that. But you're right and that's why I'm not gonna rock up with my BBQ and food to give away with every badge that is bought... there's a school and other parents to think about and I appreciate their stance of not wanting to incur the wrath of the council, even if there are obvious ways around the "rules".

[Winston001]

Not wanting to cause you strife here but is it possible that in fact the other vendor is the official vendor for the grounds?.--Ie they pay to be there and have all the legal stuff required.
I know if I was paying good money for exclusive rights to a venue I'd be mighty peeved if someone set up in competition to me.

Good point. I'm with Mashie but we can't knock the vendor guy. He's just a Kiwi trying to make a living, small business, exactly the sort of person we need to encourage and support. If he's got a license and a concession for the area, that's cost him dough and faffing around with bureaucrats. Plus does anyone really think this is the road to riches? Not my idea of a fun job.


Just a thought--I love the idea and the thinking behind it. Have you concidered aproaching Mithre 10 or the red shed?
In west dorkland every saturday and sunday theres an "official" sausage sizzle out front -I think the shop supplies all the gear/legal stuff and the cricket/hockey/netball club supplies the food and gas and staffing.

Yep, the Wharehouse provides the BBQ + gas, all you need are the sausages etc. However they may now be checking on food service rules too, they won't want any bad publicity.

[FROSTY]

sorry mashman I was kinda simplifying a bit. What about NOT doing food but having a on the spot type raffle instead.
$2.00 donation puts ya in the draw for a meatpack or similar. --less mess and easier to run.

[mashman]

sorry mashman I was kinda simplifying a bit. What about NOT doing food but having a on the spot type raffle instead.
$2.00 donation puts ya in the draw for a meatpack or similar. --less mess and easier to run.

Everyone's a winner eh :niceone:... I did suggest that we sold stickers and people would receive a free snagger... but the group are focussed on doing things a different way. I disagree with their stance, but majority rules eh.

[Usarka]

I disagree with their stance, but majority rules eh.

No, usually the majority sux!

[mashman]

nahhhh, they just decide to play by the rules instead of making a mockery of the rules by going around them.

[Usarka]

nahhhh, they just decide to play by the rules instead of making a mockery of the rules by going around them.

Whhhaaaaaaaatttttt?

[mashman]

I have tears :crybaby: :killingme ... I'm thinking about the children :baby:

[jasonu]

Yeah...cos it's soooooooo different to the Aussie sausage sizzle..

yeah but we thought it up first and our snaggs are better.

[Winston001]

Mmm kinda agree with Frosty. The schools/clubs I know have lost interest in sausage sizzles. Not sure why but I think the main reason was the work involved and the difficulty of finding parents willing to put themselves out. Plus there's always the risk of some member of the public getting sick and complaining.

[mashman]

Mmm kinda agree with Frosty. The schools/clubs I know have lost interest in sausage sizzles. Not sure why but I think the main reason was the work involved and the difficulty of finding parents willing to put themselves out. Plus there's always the risk of some member of the public getting sick and complaining.

We were all rostered to take a turn and we found out today that this is the first weekend (during the season) in 10 years that they haven't been able to fund raise their way... but that's alright, 1 guy is making a living v's several schools having to find some funding elsewhere. We, the parents, are all willing to take part. We, the parents, haven't poisoned anyone with any of our food in the 20+ years we've been cooking. We, the parents, don't have a license and therefore can't be trusted to follow the decade old tradition of worrying that we're going to poison someone :facepalm: