R-Plates coming soon to a restricted rider near you?

[tbs]

Anyone seen the front page of the Herald today?

Looks like all restricted drivers may soon have to use R-plates. I imagine this will apply to bikes as well.

I read the accompanying article on the Herald website. Some pretty horrific statistics collated from younger drivers. BUT, I don't see the use of R plates making any sort of dent in said statistics.

What do you think?

[Asher]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10808933

How the hell is a sticker meant to make the roads safer?
If any sticker should be put on a vehicle it should be the drivers blood type.

[stoo]

Plus L-plates are there to excuse newbs when they screw up a bit when they're learning. By the time you've passed your restricted you shouldn't be in that boat.

How about they take driver skills seriously instead of just inventing more stuff to fine people for.
Skills as in practical "how to recover when you loose it" skills as opposed to "follow the road rules, look at your mirrors, and memorize hazards" skills circa sweeden/EU: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_licence_in_Sweden

[Akzle]

then do we roll out "W" plates for women and "FW" plates for aucklanders? :lol:

[FJRider]

then do we roll out "W" plates for women and "FW" plates for aucklanders? :lol:

You've forgotton "A" plates for Asians ... :devil2:

[actungbaby]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10808933

How the hell is a sticker meant to make the roads safer?
If any sticker should be put on a vehicle it should be the drivers blood type.

Thats good idea but think whould be better on your drivers licence as that way they know it matched to person , chould be anyone driving the car

I guess its so if they see r sticker they can be lookout to see that using common sence road practices

Liike inicating observe barking keeping in right lanes alos make allownces for fact there still learning

Also god incentive to get exra traing as lets face it who wants r or l plate on your motorbike seems its like big

Sign for other road users to pass you

And i guess biggest one is not driving outside there alowed driving times whould be big issue

[Tigadee]

Learners should have a big L painted on their vehicles, in glowing neon colours. Restricted will have the same but in solid colours like orange or yellow.

They should also pay - at their own expense - for external kevlar-coated rubber airbags with proximity sensors which work with the measurement of vehicle speed and GPS (ran red light, for example, or traveling above speed limit) to determine when to deploy. So if slow and reversing, no need to deploy. If approaching another vehicle at unsafe speed to stop, deploy airbags.

[Road kill]

According to honda,an extra R makes you faster so you should able to blow the doors off cars on the motorways,pick up dirty girls just by showing them your R,jump tall builds in a single bound an out run speeding trains.
So what's the problem here anyway ?

[jasonu]

You've forgotton "A" plates for Aisians ... :devil2:

and what about 'O' plates for orsum drivers

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/sport_story_skin/482075%3Fformat=html

[Oblivion]

Just me making a very broad generalization here, But most of the teenagers that crash, are appalling drivers. They think that they can drive drunk, and get away with it, and carry people in their cars much like themselves, who encourage the driver to take very dangerous risks and just be general pricks on the roads. Drive cars that they cant handle power wise, and wow, behold, they end up somewhere in a ditch wondering what the hell happened.

Of course I know that some teenagers arent like this, and actually engage their brain before getting behind the wheel, then we have teh others who's hat constricts the bloodflow to the brain, and think that a car is only cool if it's running 6lbs of boost and slammed on 17's.

[Maha]

Do you think "R" plates would make a difference to the road toll?

In a word....No.
Might as well use the letter X for what its worth.
There will be a fine attached to, not displaying and R if you are on your restricted...and thats about it really.

[Akzle]

Just me making a very broad generalization here, But most of the teenagers that crash, are appalling drivers. They think that they can drive drunk, and get away with it, and carry people in their cars much like themselves, who encourage the driver to take very dangerous risks and just be general pricks on the roads. Drive cars that they cant handle power wise, and wow, behold, they end up somewhere in a ditch wondering what the hell happened.actually it's not that broad. or that general. 98% of people that crash, whatever age, are appalling drivers.. many people with a "full license" shouldn't be on the road. ever.

i for one, as a teenager did drive drunk, and got away with some shit i probably shouldn't have. never endangered anyone else as far as i remember :drinkup:, and sure as shit never crashed drunk.
infact of the three traffic collisions i've been involved in, all were a) in company vehicles b) broad daylight, c) dry roads. go figuire.

i had three cars and a bike before i had a licence and was the designated driver (drunk or not -- that is actually how good i was considered by peers), thenn, learning to drive on a gravel road in a sigma probably helped...


Of course I know that some teenagers arent like this, and actually engage their brain before getting behind the wheel, then we have teh others who's hat constricts the bloodflow to the brain, and think that a car is only cool if it's running 6lbs of boost and slammed on 17's....i suspect that the size of these kids mufflers is about inversely proportionate to the size of their cocks, which are the larger of their two heads.

[rustic101]

Other plates coming to warn motorists are:


D = Watch Out I'm Disqualified/ Unlicensed
P = Watch Out I'm Pissed
O = O like I give a fuck,
65+ = Self explanatory
A = Watch out I'm Asian
I = Watch out I'm an International driver


The success of the L plate has been astounding, not! Stickers save lots of lives.

Interesting ACC have no comment on the matter.

[slofox]

Revenue gathering.

See an "R" plate at night? pull 'im over and give 'im a breach of terms ticket...

Not that I'm cynical or anything you unnerstand...

Next they'll have a special plate just for me "FL" ("fucking loony")

[p.dath]

From what I understand of the article, the concern is about drivers exhibiting particular behaviours, as opposed to how much driving experience they have.

That being the case, I fail to see how another letter placed on the car will cause a change in behaviour.

[slofox]

From what I understand of the article, the concern is about drivers exhibiting particular behaviours, as opposed to how much driving experience they have.

That being the case, I fail to see how another letter placed on the car will cause a change in behaviour.

The results of that poll suggest that most people agree with you on that one.

[jasonu]

Other plates coming to warn motorists are:


D = Watch Out I'm Disqualified/ Unlicensed
P = Watch Out I'm Pissed
O = O like I give a fuck,
65+ = Self explanatory
A = Watch out I'm Asian
I = Watch out I'm an International driver


The success of the L plate has been astounding, not! Stickers save lots of lives.

Interesting ACC have no comment on the matter.

Since the giveway rule change the 'I' catagory is now obsolete...

[rastuscat]

Since the giveway rule change the 'I' catagory is now obsolete...

How about a K plate for kiwibiker folk?

We all know that KBers are far better riders than everyone else (it must be true, ask DB), so how about K players get a speeding exemption?

:headbang:

[scumdog]

How about a K plate for kiwibiker folk?

We all know that KBers are far better riders than everyone else (it must be true, ask DB), so how about K players get a speeding exemption?

:headbang:


Noo...:weep:.then we won't need the secret KB wave...:(

[rustic101]

Since the giveway rule change the 'I' catagory is now obsolete...

So you have never followed or tried to pass a camper van ;)

[Big Dave]

Rse biscuit.

[tigertim20]

Anyone seen the front page of the Herald today?

Looks like all restricted drivers may soon have to use R-plates. I imagine this will apply to bikes as well.

I read the accompanying article on the Herald website. Some pretty horrific statistics collated from younger drivers. BUT, I don't see the use of R plates making any sort of dent in said statistics.

What do you think?

dumb idea. theyve already made changes that make obtaining a licence harder, putting a sticker in your window isnt going to reduce your chances of having an accident

[Gremlin]

Since the giveway rule change the 'I' catagory is now obsolete...
Yeah, not so fast. I've been behind a camper that suddenly decided to use the oncoming to go around a right hand corner, as in, left wheels on centre line. Sheer dumb luck there was nothing coming the other way, and completely oblivious to the horn and flashing lights I tried :eek:

[SMOKEU]

I don't need an "R" plate, my bike has a big red R on both sides of the fairings.

[numbersixteen16]

Any plate that shows your a learner driver does just as much bad as it does good. People seem to feel the need to tailgate any learner driver in front of them, whilst criticizing their driving.

A restricted driver is meant to be able to drive to the same ability as someone on their full, thats why they are allowed to drive alone. This sounds like a money making scam to me

[FJRider]

Any plate that shows your a learner driver does just as much bad as it does good. People seem to feel the need to tailgate any learner driver in front of them, whilst criticizing their driving.

Bullshit ... every learner feels like everybody is out to run them off the road. This is incorrect. Only HALF of them want to run them off the road. The rest just want the learners out of their way.


A restricted driver is meant to be able to drive to the same ability as someone on their full, thats why they are allowed to drive alone. This sounds like a money making scam to me

Bullshit. If they were meant to be able to ride/drive as skillfully as someone on their full licence ... there wouldn't be a restricted class of licence.

[FJRider]

From what I understand of the article, the concern is about drivers exhibiting particular behaviours, as opposed to how much driving experience they have.

That being the case, I fail to see how another letter placed on the car will cause a change in behaviour.

Revenue gathering for the manufacturers of the sticker ... more revenue for the Goverment in fines for failing to display.

Win win ... right ... ???

[Virago]

Any plate that shows your a learner driver does just as much bad as it does good. People seem to feel the need to tailgate any learner driver in front of them, whilst criticizing their driving...

The mistake (and it's an easy one to make) is to assume that the tailgater is acting in response to the L-plate. Wrong. He was going to tailgate you anyway. Arseholes will always be arseholes.

I'm an old fart. An old fart with a difference - I enjoy teaching youngsters how to drive. I'm quite good at it, using methods passed on by my dear old dad. The result - I've taught lots of people how to drive. Not just my own kids, other people's kids. I taught my wife how to drive (her dad had given up on teaching her years earlier). I even taught an employee.

The upshot is - I've spent many hundreds of hours in my car with learners, with the L-plates on display. I can confirm that I'm not aware of any agressive or antagonistic driving by others, in response to the L-plates. On the contrary, most will be more courteous and patient (and perhaps cautious). A stalled hill-start at the traffic lights is unlikely to result in an angry response from behind, with that L-plate on display.

L-plates work well. They don't get rid of the dickheads on the road, but they don't create any more.

From that point of view, I'm in full agreement with the P-plate proposal.

[Brayden]

I think you guys are missing the point here. If they actually did this, there would be NO DIFFERENCE between your learners and your restricted.. Retarded as at the moment the only difference is being able to take your L Plate off

[FJRider]

I think you guys are missing the point here. If they actually did this, there would be NO DIFFERENCE between your learners and your restricted.. Retarded as at the moment the only difference is being able to take your L Plate off

And replace it with an R plate ...

[nzspokes]

The mistake (and it's an easy one to make) is to assume that the tailgater is acting in response to the L-plate. Wrong. He was going to tailgate you anyway. Arseholes will always be arseholes.

I'm an old fart. An old fart with a difference - I enjoy teaching youngsters how to drive. I'm quite good at it, using methods passed on by my dear old dad. The result - I've taught lots of people how to drive. Not just my own kids, other people's kids. I taught my wife how to drive (her dad had given up on teaching her years earlier). I even taught an employee.

The upshot is - I've spent many hundreds of hours in my car with learners, with the L-plates on display. I can confirm that I'm not aware of any agressive or antagonistic driving by others, in response to the L-plates. On the contrary, most will be more courteous and patient (and perhaps cautious). A stalled hill-start at the traffic lights is unlikely to result in an angry response from behind, with that L-plate on display.

L-plates work well. They don't get rid of the dickheads on the road, but they don't create any more.

From that point of view, I'm in full agreement with the P-plate proposal.

Try it in Auckland next time, roads are a wee bit more busy......

[Akzle]

Bullshit. If they were meant to be able to ride/drive as skillfully as someone on their full licence ... there wouldn't be a restricted class of licence.
ahuh. huh.
i think you missed the bit about how the government is in the profitable business of fleecing money off the sheep....

what can a restricted driver not do? - drive at night. how does this help the population? - ____. (and how are they supposed to develop their night-driving skills and awareness?)
what else can a restricted driver not do? - carry his mates around (unless they're 'dependants') - how does this help the population? - _____. and given that you can call anyone without a vehicle or a job a dependant... huh.

so for everyone who gets a licence instead of the one-two whammy (L, F) at about 600$, we get the one two three whammy (and many people will fail on stupid shit, so repeating the test and paying the 180$ again...) for 800 odd$ for every new driver and 200$ every 10 years from EVERY driver.
what, you want to ride a bike?! get your visa out... truck?! uh oh.
and this doesn't include the some hundreds on vehicle licensing. phew.

huh, wonder if they mentioned that in the budget ><

[SMOKEU]

ahuh. huh.
i think you missed the bit about how the government is in the profitable business of fleecing money off the sheep....

what can a restricted driver not do? - drive at night. how does this help the population? - ____. (and how are they supposed to develop their night-driving skills and awareness?)
what else can a restricted driver not do? - carry his mates around (unless they're 'dependants') - how does this help the population? - _____. and given that you can call anyone without a vehicle or a job a dependant... huh.

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People on a 1 or 6 R can travel at night, up until 2200. On a 1R they can also carry their mates around as long as the person in the front passengers seat, or if the vehicle lacks a front passengers seat, sits in the nearest practicible seat to the driver has held and currently holds a 1F license for at least 2 years.

[Parlane]

I think you guys are missing the point here. If they actually did this, there would be NO DIFFERENCE between your learners and your restricted.. Retarded as at the moment the only difference is being able to take your L Plate off

Only true if they get rid of the 70km rule like they plan to.

The thing with the L plate is that you are on it until you are comfortable to drive by yourself, aka can pass the test.

With a bike, you don't ride with anyone else anyway so you have to be comfortable from the get go. I don't understand why I need the L plate on the bike when I've been through the whole car process already. I'm not a new road user, I may be new to the bike but I know the roads, and that is what I believe the L plates show, is a lack of wisdom in regards to the roads.

[Asher]

Only true if they get rid of the 70km rule like they plan to.

The thing with the L plate is that you are on it until you are comfortable to drive by yourself, aka can pass the test.

With a bike, you don't ride with anyone else anyway so you have to be comfortable from the get go. I don't understand why I need the L plate on the bike when I've been through the whole car process already. I'm not a new road user, I may be new to the bike but I know the roads, and that is what I believe the L plates show, is a lack of wisdom in regards to the roads.

The speed limit for learners is long gone. The only difference between learners and restricted is the L plate now.

[Parlane]

The speed limit for learners is long gone. The only difference between learners and restricted is the L plate now.

When did that become law? Haha I missed that...

[Swoop]

Stickers save lots of lives.

It must be true!
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[FJRider]

ahuh. huh.
i think you missed the bit about how the government is in the profitable business of fleecing money off the sheep....

It's profitable in the licence system because people keep ridind/driving outside their licence conditions. The new sticker will make it easier for plod to spot a rider/driver outside his licence conditions. You break the rules ... you pay for the privilege. How much you pay extra depends entirely on you.


what can a restricted driver not do? - drive at night. how does this help the population? - ____. (and how are they supposed to develop their night-driving skills and awareness?)
what else can a restricted driver not do? - carry his mates around (unless they're 'dependants') - how does this help the population? - _____. and given that you can call anyone without a vehicle or a job a dependant... huh.

The system is based on the (theoretical) inexperienced rider/drivers on the road. Get the experience on the road ... then even limited time in the dark is available on a restricted licence.


so for everyone who gets a licence instead of the one-two whammy (L, F) at about 600$, we get the one two three whammy (and many people will fail on stupid shit, so repeating the test and paying the 180$ again...) for 800 odd$ for every new driver and 200$ every 10 years from EVERY driver.
what, you want to ride a bike?! get your visa out... truck?! uh oh.
and this doesn't include the some hundreds on vehicle licensing. phew.

huh, wonder if they mentioned that in the budget

We have the three stage licence now ... what are you on about ... ???

People fail on stupid shit now because they think they know more than they do. And with the licence testing rules ... a fail is easy to do ... and commonplace ... and you want to allow those idiots failing to be still allowed on the road ... and at night.

With the costs of licence testing ... only idiots arrive at the testing center unprepared and lacking the ability to pass. Perhaps they should red flag those that fail in the system ... as they obviously need being watched more carefully ... as all idiots should be.

[sleemanj]

When did that become law? Haha I missed that...

70K limit was dropped last October. And the restricted test became the most difficult one (swapped places with Full) in March.

So only real difference is as stated, Learners have an L plate-o-shame.

Frankly, justifying the Restricted licence at all now that the tests have swapped... is a bit tenuous really :-/

[sleemanj]

Bullshit. If they were meant to be able to ride/drive as skillfully as someone on their full licence ... there wouldn't be a restricted class of licence.

Before the tests changed, I'd have agreed.

But now we have the following testing...

Learner - basic handling + scratchie = novice, shows they are barely functional on the road, let alone safe

Restricted - long practical test, same as the full test was before March, shows they meet the requirements of a 6F before March, because they passed the same test

Full - short practical test, exactly what the restricted test was before March, shows they are as good as 6R was before March?

The 6F is a lesser test now than the 6R, demonstrably. So what exactly does the current 6F show that the current 6R doesn't?

Really, it's nothing more than a cursory "checkup" that the rider hasn't developed any early bad habits, in other words, it's nothing more than an early licence renewal type of check.

I'm not saying this is good, or bad, but that's how it is... it's a bit hard to justify limits on 6R under the new test levels when they have shown they are at the level required for an "old" 6F.

[Akzle]

i've known people to fail on not "10 and 2"ing enough, not doing 30km/h in a vacant construction zone, and speeding up before passing the speed indicatey signs... none of these is inherently bad practice or unsafe. (and certainly not uncommon)
i nearly failed a 1R (i think?) because i didn't do "headchecks" although i would watch my mirrors for a full 12 seconds before busting a maneuverer..
so the only way anyone could be in my blind spot was if they were hanging onto my vehicle, and jumped off between me looking, and moving.
i also had to back around a corner and was told "you can only go forward 3 times" i asked "aren't i supposed to be backing around the corner?" -- "yes, but if you have to, you can go forward up to 3 times"
wtf.

the current system is BS, there are plenty of people with full licenses that shouldn't be on the road.

and when did i ever imply i agreed to "the rules"?

[FJRider]

and when did i ever imply i agreed to "the rules"?

Agreeing to the rules is NOT a legal requirement ... obeying the rules (laws) of the country is.

The penalties for not doing so are known (by most) ....

[FJRider]

Before the tests changed, I'd have agreed.



The main point now is ... what used to be required for the full test is now required for the restricted. So that same knowledge/skill is just required earlier .... Not really a bad thing is it ... ???

The numbers failing the restricted test shows that many dont have it .... or have made much effort to get it.

Bugger eh ...

[GingerMidget]

Personally as someone on their learners now I'm liking the idea of a harder test first up. It should encourage people to seek more training in the early days. Then again I might be attacking this with logic. Which in the face of gubbmint policy should be thrown out the window then pee'd upon.

[wysper]

The upshot is - I've spent many hundreds of hours in my car with learners, with the L-plates on display. I can confirm that I'm not aware of any agressive or antagonistic driving by others, in response to the L-plates. On the contrary, most will be more courteous and patient (and perhaps cautious). A stalled hill-start at the traffic lights is unlikely to result in an angry response from behind, with that L-plate on display.

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I agree with this, the L plates are good for other drivers on the road. Give you the heads up that the vehicle with the L plates may do something a little unexpected, or more slowly.

I generally give L plate vehicles more space, a bit more attention and a wider berth if possible.

[Akzle]

Agreeing to the rules is NOT a legal requirement ... obeying the rules (laws)*legislation of the country is.
i didn't agree to that, either...

[FJRider]

i didn't agree to that, either...


I don't care if you agree with them or not ... nor will any enforcment officer that issues you with an infringement notice ... Your name on the ticket ... you pay.

Dont pay ... you tell it to the Judge .... He wont care if you agree either ...

[Akzle]

I don't care if you agree with them or not ... nor will any enforcment officer that issues you with an infringement notice ... Your name on the ticket ... you pay.

Dont pay ... you tell it to the Judge .... He wont care if you agree either ...and you'd be wrong about that too. (except the cops, they're largely ignorant of the law and "just do their job", but you get the odd one who isn't thick as shit and will actually listen and think.)
my name on the ticket? now how would they know that?
and what is in a name?

follow/research a few court cases that are dealt with by people refusing to accept the court's jurisdiction....

[FJRider]

and you'd be wrong about that too. (except the cops, they're largely ignorant of the law and "just do their job", but you get the odd one who isn't thick as shit and will actually listen and think.)
my name on the ticket? now how would they know that?
and what is in a name?

follow/research a few court cases that are dealt with by people refusing to accept the court's jurisdiction....

Good luck with that ... let us know how you get on. But I doubt if you have the balls to try ... :lol:

[Asher]

and you'd be wrong about that too. (except the cops, they're largely ignorant of the law and "just do their job", but you get the odd one who isn't thick as shit and will actually listen and think.)
my name on the ticket? now how would they know that?
and what is in a name?

follow/research a few court cases that are dealt with by people refusing to accept the court's jurisdiction....

Fuck you are annoying and change your damn font color!

[Akzle]

Good luck with that ... let us know how you get on. But I doubt if you have the balls to try ... :lol:and yet again, you'd be wrong. i got let off 120km/h in a construction zone by talking to the cop, for about half an hour, about life, the universe and the faux legal system.
i also avoided court the last time i got pulled over a) because the cop was an arsewipe and b) he was an ignorant shithead that didn't (as you seem not to) know the diffrence between law and legislation, and that his job is policy (legislation) enforcement and has nothing to do with law.

to clarify, i am not trying to call you an ignorant shithead, or any other ignorant people shitheads, just this particular cop on this particular day.


Fuck you are annoying and change your damn font color!annoying because you can't answer the questions how you want and you might not be right after all?

[Asher]

and yet again, you'd be wrong. i got let off 120km/h in a construction zone by talking to the cop, for about half an hour, about life, the universe and the faux legal system.
i also avoided court the last time i got pulled over a) because the cop was an arsewipe and b) he was an ignorant shithead that didn't (as you seem not to) know the diffrence between law and legislation, and that his job is policy (legislation) enforcement and has nothing to do with law.

to clarify, i am not trying to call you an ignorant shithead, or any other ignorant people shitheads, just this particular cop on this particular day.

annoying because you can't answer the questions how you want and you might not be right after all?

Im not attacking your argument, i didnt even read it.
No one likes a smart ass, you may be right but your still a smart ass.
Change your damn font color!

[p.dath]

and yet again, you'd be wrong.

FJRider is pretty knowledgable about the law and its application. I'd give his words some consideration. There were given freely.

[Akzle]

Im not attacking your argument, i didnt even read it.
No one likes a smart ass, you may be right but your still a smart ass.
Change your damn font color!
ahuh

maybe so

and what font color would you prefer i use? it needs to be something different for my own browsing.
i've just loaded up the full KB page (all 97,079 bytes) and green really isn't that difficult, perhaps you need glasses?


FJRider is pretty knowledgable about the law and its application. I'd give his words some consideration. There were given freely.that may be your interpretation, but for that: i'd throw you in that "wrong" category too.
i am only putting it out there for thems that are interested in pursuing it, if you're happy clinging to what's been beaten into you all you life then so be it.

[allycatz]

My daughter was killed when she was in a car being driven by a restricted driver at 11.45 at night...daughter should not of been in the car and driver should not of been in the road. At the funeral, there were cars full of restricted drivers and learners with passengers that left the service after the minister talked at length about not sticking to the road code....did the message get across? Nope!!!!! I think R plates to identify cars on the road especially after hours with passengers that shouldn't be there isn't a bad idea

[Parlane]

My daughter was killed when she was in a car being driven by a restricted driver at 11.45 at night...daughter should not of been in the car and driver should not of been in the road. At the funeral, there were cars full of restricted drivers and learners with passengers that left the service after the minister talked at length about not sticking to the road code....did the message get across? Nope!!!!! I think R plates to identify cars on the road especially after hours with passengers that shouldn't be there isn't a bad idea

No one will leave their R plates on at night if they are on their restricted. I personally drove around on my restricted* for 5 years with or without passengers and after curfew. It's not the label that killed your daughter, it was poor driving. Sorry for your loss.

*All illegal activities described in this post are fictitious. Any resemblance to real events, are purely coincidental..

[winston]

i got let off 120km/h in a construction zone by talking to the cop, for about half an hour, about life, the universe and the faux legal system.

annoying because you can't answer the questions how you want and you might not be right after all?

fuck talking to a cop for half hour.

give him a false name and fuck off same as i do works every time long as bike rego in same false name they jus swallow it

[fetchfire]

But now we have the following testing...

Learner - basic handling + scratchie = novice, shows they are barely functional on the road, let alone safe

Restricted - long practical test, same as the full test was before March, shows they meet the requirements of a 6F before March, because they passed the same test

Full - short practical test, exactly what the restricted test was before March, shows they are as good as 6R was before March?

The 6F is a lesser test now than the 6R, demonstrably. So what exactly does the current 6F show that the current 6R doesn't?

Really, it's nothing more than a cursory "checkup" that the rider hasn't developed any early bad habits, in other words, it's nothing more than an early licence renewal type of check.

I'm not saying this is good, or bad, but that's how it is... it's a bit hard to justify limits on 6R under the new test levels when they have shown they are at the level required for an "old" 6F.

I think the silly part they haven't looked at is the defensive driving course. Restricted can do this course to cut down their wait time until their full. The course specifically focuses on hazard detection, but now hazard detection has moved from the full to restricted test so they have already passed it.

Now I have to sit in a room with a bunch of teens and watch videos about hazard detection that I have already proven I can do, and its all car based.

[Akzle]

No one will leave their R plates on at night if they are on their restricted. I personally drove around on my restricted* for 5 years with or without passengers and after curfew. It's not the label that killed your daughter, it was poor driving. Sorry for your loss.

*All illegal activities described in this post are fictitious. Any resemblance to real events, are purely coincidental..pretty much. i had 3 cars before i had my L, and that was probably the last "licence" i "applied" for.
people have been killed in vehicles where the driver 'held' a full license.
maybe driving is just too dangerous for mere people and they need to be saved from themselves.
petition your government to ban cars!


fuck talking to a cop for half hour.

give him a false name and fuck off same as i do works every time long as bike rego in same false name they jus swallow it they're people too, i used to be all "fuck the police" and it's no wonder i was treated as i was,
now i take a more educational approach with them, and so far, at least 50% of cops aren't complete dicks about it, the ones that are, it doesn't bother me because they're fraudulently acting outside their jurisdiction and i carry a voice recorder so if they really want to go to court it will not work in their favour.
unfortunately, police, as anyone else gainfully employed i perpetuating a corrupt system, when their ideas are attacked or dismissed, they get quite aggressively ignorant (which works in my favour, too)

i have only time, and if i can open one guy's (cop or not) eyes to the bullshit then i shall not live in vain. i also had my kids in the car with that cop, and want to set a good example for them.

[Akzle]

You've forgotton "A" plates for Asians ... :devil2: they're easy to spot... they hang out in the fast lane doing 80. and have a rear-tray full of hello kitty shit.

[Oblivion]

I think the silly part they haven't looked at is the defensive driving course. Restricted can do this course to cut down their wait time until their full. The course specifically focuses on hazard detection, but now hazard detection has moved from the full to restricted test so they have already passed it.

Now I have to sit in a room with a bunch of teens and watch videos about hazard detection that I have already proven I can do, and its all car based.

I'm waiting it out. The time that you spend in the classroom could be better but to use actually riding and honing your skills. Thats just me though. Half of the teenagers that turn up arent interested slightly in learning, only in getting their full sooner. They drive like wankers, probably are part of this F the police stuff, and wonder why they get arrested after standing up for themselves like assholes when they are clearly in the wrong.

/end rage

I personally think that the defensive driving course should be done on something like a police obstacle course. They let you drive round where they quickfire hazards at you, and you have to respond. Points deducted with each hazard hit. And maybe a few lessons in spin recovery. Hazard theory seems somewhat ineffective at getting the message across to teens.

[Akzle]

I personally think that the defensive driving course should be done on something like a police obstacle course. They let you drive round where they quickfire hazards at you, and you have to respond. Points deducted with each hazard hit. And maybe a few lessons in spin recovery. Hazard theory seems somewhat ineffective at getting the message across to teens.<-- this should be the learners test.

defensive driving course should be done in a 20 year old sigma on a gravel road.

some professional rally driver should set a time, if you can't get within 10-15% of it, no licence for you.
(yes, i believe everyone on the road should be a trained, professional driver)

[FJRider]

I think the silly part they haven't looked at is the defensive driving course. Restricted can do this course to cut down their wait time until their full. The course specifically focuses on hazard detection, but now hazard detection has moved from the full to restricted test so they have already passed it.

Now I have to sit in a room with a bunch of teens and watch videos about hazard detection that I have already proven I can do, and its all car based.

I did the course in the early seventies ... and even today, remains relevant for me today. Even on a motorcycle ... most aspects can transfer over to motorcycling. Even if its only to know what the other driver might do/think ... in any given situation.

The day you "switch off" your hazard detection system ... you're heading for trouble. And you will never learn too much about it. How much (if you ever do) apply that knowledge in your own travels ... will decide how much use it is to you.

You will prove you can do it ... when you use that knowledge to save your own life. Trust me ... you will know when that happens. I hope you dont have to prove it too often.

[fetchfire]

I did the course in the early seventies ... and even today, remains relevant for me today. Even on a motorcycle ... most aspects can transfer over to motorcycling. Even if its only to know what the other driver might do/think ... in any given situation.

The day you "switch off" your hazard detection system ... you're heading for trouble. And you will never learn too much about it. How much (if you ever do) apply that knowledge in your own travels ... will decide how much use it is to you.

You will prove you can do it ... when you use that knowledge to save your own life. Trust me ... you will know when that happens. I hope you dont have to prove it too often.


I agree, everyone should do the course. I did it for my car test ages ago. But I really think they should move it to the learner stage if they are testing for hazards in the restricted test.

Someone trialed a motorcycle specific course in wellington, but it got cut after the trial. My friend did it and he said it was a huge help and he wouldn't have passed his full test without it.