2013 CRF 450 is out

[raglanash]

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/2013-Honda-CRF450R-Photo-Videos-Specs-and-more,1239326

[Crasherfromwayback]

Very cool looking bike IMO. I'm a sucker for twin mufflers!

[raglanash]

Yeah man I want!!
Recon fit a Hyd clutch, big front brake, radiator braces, decent chain, new bars, holeshot button, black rims, some numbers and I will be stoked for the next few years.
Hope all the accessory companies are on to this now, had to wait ages for shit when the 09 came out.

[scott411]

Very cool looking bike IMO. I'm a sucker for twin mufflers!

im the oppistie, i dont like them on 4 cylinder road bikes, and dont like them on dirtbikes,

interesting changes tho, the 09-12 HOnda was not loved by everyone and they seem to continue down a slightly different path, which is good to see,

same basic air fork as the new kawi 450 as well, interesting to see Honda Use KYB in this bike, because they own showa

[Crasherfromwayback]

im the oppistie, i dont like them on 4 cylinder road bikes, and dont like them on dirtbikes,


same basic air fork as the new kawi 450 as well, interesting to see Honda Use KYB in this bike, because they own showa

Strangely enough I prefer 1 pipe on fours as well. But dirtbikes with twin mufflers? Phwoar!
And yeah...more air forks. Must be good if they're ditching Showa stuff!

[scott411]

Strangely enough I prefer 1 pipe on fours as well. But dirtbikes with twin mufflers? Phwoar!
And yeah...more air forks. Must be good if they're ditching Showa stuff!

the Honda 450 has been KYB's since 09,

im didnt even like the super motrad factory bikes that had the twin mufflers, i do like how the mufflers tuck up and out of hte way tho,

[merv]

Can't make up their minds lol. Hasn't the 250 just gone the other way and back to single muffler?

[Brian d marge]

Air heats up when compressed ..and goes all squishy.........

Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

Air heats up when compressed ..and goes all squishy.........

Stephen

I've had that conversation in the KX thread.

[raglanash]

http://motocross.transworld.net/1000130520/features/first-impression-2013-honda-crf450r/

More here.

Seriously do people really think Kawasaki and Honda would bring out this new fork concept without doing the homework?
I like the twin pipes, nice and tucked in, not like the rocket launcher single pipes that have been coming out lately, they seem to be getting bigger and bigger.
Can't wait to see a 22 racing 2013 setup.

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://motocross.transworld.net/1000130520/features/first-impression-2013-honda-crf450r/

More here.

Seriously do people really think Kawasaki and Honda would bring out this new fork concept without doing the homework?
I like the twin pipes, nice and tucked in, not like the rocket launcher single pipes that have been coming out lately, they seem to be getting bigger and bigger.
Can't wait to see a 22 racing 2013 setup.

I don't believe for a minute they would. I'm simply interested to see how they work/get around the issues air used to have.

[Brian d marge]

http://motocross.transworld.net/1000130520/features/first-impression-2013-honda-crf450r/

More here.

Seriously do people really think Kawasaki and Honda would bring out this new fork concept without doing the homework?
I like the twin pipes, nice and tucked in, not like the rocket launcher single pipes that have been coming out lately, they seem to be getting bigger and bigger.
Can't wait to see a 22 racing 2013 setup.

Air goes funny when heated , Fact .

I think im qualified enough to comment on honda .

May be ok for a sprint race but i doubt it for longer ones ..anyway we shall see

Stephen

they are in the business of shifting bikes to as many peoplle as possible so actually simple air forks may be a good marketing move

[raglanash]

Air goes funny when heated , Fact .

I think im qualified enough to comment on honda .

May be ok for a sprint race but i doubt it for longer ones ..anyway we shall see

Stephen

they are in the business of shifting bikes to as many peoplle as possible so actually simple air forks may be a good marketing move

We shall see for sure. I am not having a crack at you guys I just think they wouldn't do it if they didn't have it dialled. Surely not...
Be interesting to see how the Kawi goes, think its out earlier so we should get feedback on the fork quicker?
I did hear that Broc Tickle was running them on his 450 in the AMA? Freestone 35min motos would have given them a good test.
Anyway, love seeing new shit come out, makes you wonder what the 2018 will be like eh..

[Crasherfromwayback]

I did hear that Broc Tickle was running them on his 450 in the AMA? Freestone 35min motos would have given them a good test.
Anyway, love seeing new shit come out, makes you wonder what the 2018 will be like eh..

Yeah and it sure gets hotter over there than here...so be a great testing ground for 'em. They seem pretty much like the 35 year old Fox Shox I sometimes run technology though rather than something 'new'. Either way...if they work...shit hot!

[scott411]

We shall see for sure. I am not having a crack at you guys I just think they wouldn't do it if they didn't have it dialled. Surely not...
Be interesting to see how the Kawi goes, think its out earlier so we should get feedback on the fork quicker?
I did hear that Broc Tickle was running them on his 450 in the AMA? Freestone 35min motos would have given them a good test.
Anyway, love seeing new shit come out, makes you wonder what the 2018 will be like eh..

Broc Tickle runs the showa system which is different, due to only having one leg acting as a spring and running nitrogen,


but i would agree with you, to think it is an improvement, and i can not wait to ride one,

[Brian d marge]

Actually , that might be the trick set up next year , nitrogen doesnt change much and is cheap ,

watch this space closely I reckon! ( bet Honda is laughing all the way to the bank , ! 2 springs per bike , think of the production cost savings!)


Stephen

[Jay GTI]

Seriously do people really think Kawasaki and Honda would bring out this new fork concept without doing the homework?

Well Honda, yes. The first alloy-framed CRs were not good. Plus there have been plenty of technological advances in MX that have, in reality, been more of a fashion statement than an actual benefit. A fork works just as well right side up, but if the bike doesn't have USDs, it won't be taken seriously. The Euros are all proving there is nothing wrong (and even some significant benefit) in steel frames, yet wind back a few years and your bike was considered dated before it even got out of the showroom if it wasn't alloy framed.

But also, to make serious advances in technology, you have to get products out there, being tested and used in the real world. The actual benefit of air suspension on MX bikes may not be realised until the 3rd, 4th or what ever generation, but you won't get to that point if you don't go through gen 1, 2, 3, with Mr Public using and abusing them.

It will be interesting to see what happens with them over the next couple of years.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Actually , that might be the trick set up next year , nitrogen doesnt change much and is cheap ,

watch this space closely I reckon! ( bet Honda is laughing all the way to the bank , ! 2 springs per bike , think of the production cost savings!)


Stephen

We were filling our Fox Shox with it in the late 70's and 80's. Please keep up Old Bean.

[raglanash]

Lets not over think this shit eh fullas... We will soon find out, I just want to ride that fucker.
Hope they do demo days like when they did with the 09 release.
What about a Kawi 450 demo day Scott??

[scott411]

Lets not over think this shit eh fullas... We will soon find out, I just want to ride that fucker.
Hope they do demo days like when they did with the 09 release.
What about a Kawi 450 demo day Scott??

ill give you a ride of mine as soon as i get it, (but i tend not to get first shipment bikes as the ones that are sold are more important)

and we might be doing something like that anyway,

[Brian d marge]

We were filling our Fox Shox with it in the late 70's and 80's. Please keep up Old Bean.

forgot that , I used S and w shocks on my motosport .....once upon a time

Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

forgot that , I used S and w shocks on my motosport .....once upon a time

Stephen

245 odd psi of nitrogen in these puppies...264265

[raglanash]

Fuck thats heaps!! Awesome bike too man.
They recon standard on the crf is 33psi.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck thats heaps!! Awesome bike too man.
They recon standard on the crf is 33psi.

Cheers! The Fox's have a high and a low chamber. Around 150psi in the low, and up to 300 in the high! My next RM400 being built now is gonna use Fox spring/oil shocks...as the heat build up is an issue in those shocks.

[scott411]

i wonder if the lower pressure stops the big effects of heat that is the issue with the shocks, i presume the volume of air is much larger as well with the size of a modern 47mm fork, also forks do not tend to get hot to touch, where shocks do,

[Crasherfromwayback]

i wonder if the lower pressure stops the big effects of heat that is the issue with the shocks, i presume the volume of air is much larger as well with the size of a modern 47mm fork, also forks do not tend to get hot to touch, where shocks do,

Yeah they'll have way more oil in 'em too which will help. Bigger surface area for cooling as well. I'm loving the look of both the new CR and the KX.

[raglanash]

They were saying something about being able to increase internal piston and bottoming cone sizes, but i don't know what the fuck all that means.
That's all like some evil magic in there I leave it alone.. And the also said that between honda and kyb if they could test it the have tested it.
Keen for a lash on that KXF scott, cheers man.

[scott411]

They were saying something about being able to increase internal piston and bottoming cone sizes, but i don't know what the fuck all that means.
That's all like some evil magic in there I leave it alone.. And the also said that between honda and kyb if they could test it the have tested it.
Keen for a lash on that KXF scott, cheers man.

if you see me around grab me, ill give you a ride on teh 12 now if you like,

[raglanash]

Will do scott.

Hows this from a vitalmx poster responding to the haters.. Cracked me up so true.

"that bike looks badass, not 100% sold on the pipe/pipes, but the thing looks pretty damn good, i think honda went all out on the changes for '13. some of you could ruin a good blow job, take it for what it is. if you don't like it, don't buy one. pretty simple"

[Crasherfromwayback]

"that bike looks badass, not 100% sold on the pipe/pipes, but the thing looks pretty damn good, i think honda went all out on the changes for '13. some of you could ruin a good blow job, take it for what it is. if you don't like it, don't buy one. pretty simple"

I agree 100%!

[raglanash]

Haha going off over at Vitalmx.. More wisdom!

"I'm really getting a kick out of all the jokers saying how stupid the air fork is because "we tried that in the 70's." That's kind of like saying the fuel injection on the 57' chevy sucked so why would we try it again in 1989............


.......and who buys something performance oriented based on looks........? Its like a clown festival in here.


Btw......I think the bike looks great, but I guess I'm easy......I never saw a race bike I didn't like."

[merv]

Haha, tell the Vital boys its red, its a Honda - so its got to be cool :cool:

p.s. I wouldn't mind a 57 Chev.

[cheese]

Yeah that twin pipe always made me thought of a wheelbarrow....

Some interesting concepts on that bike though. The look of it grows on you.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Some interesting concepts on that bike though. The look of it grows on you.

I'm liking the number boards where they meet the rear guard etc.

[motor_mayhem]

Looks pretty good. I'm not too worried about the air shocks as I would never buy a bike new, usually go 2-3 years old.
- 1. they're about a third of the price of new;
- 2. If some piece of design goes pear shaped someone else finds out about it so I don't have to;
Then again I'm only an amateur and I think my winning or losing is done more in my skills or lack of than the abilities of the bike I'm on.

[Brian d marge]

If you ca arrange a heat trasfer from a small mass to a larger one ( internal air to fork surface ) keeping the temperature constant then air as a spring meadium is OK ( not the best choice as we have said )

for a 20 min moto, it may start fading towards the end or not get pushed hard enough to fade by the average weekend warrior ( either way the laws cannot be broken pv/t = k ( combined gas law)

IF it doesnt fade too much due to design , all I can say is , for you and me at the sunday track ..we can tweak and fiddle untill our hearts are content ...that has to be a bonus ( seals?)

I see a lot of plusses , older ones with pitted forks ....well

As for noise ..those mufflers are the future , tracks are ( and should ) get tough with noise ..so watch those mufflers get bigger and longer , and dont be surprised if they end up with catalytic converters .... yes

cant wait for feed back from , people who earn thir living on it .....NOW THIS IS A WEAPON......


cant show you the other one its top secret , im afraid of my compeditors seeing it before the end of june ! ( next race )

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Stephen

[del-solider]

Good video on the bike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O2pISFQqEqY

[CRF119]

Its amazing how much lighter Hondas bikes are compared to the others, and every year getting lighter!

Can't wait to ride this bike. Looks like a bike a lot of riders will enjoy and will save money on getting forks resprung for those that aren't in the target weight for the factory setup.

[Brian d marge]

Its amazing how much lighter Hondas bikes are compared to the others, and every year getting lighter!

Can't wait to ride this bike. Looks like a bike a lot of riders will enjoy and will save money on getting forks resprung for those that aren't in the target weight for the factory setup.

I poo poo your light wieght bikes , I think not highly of your space age material , 1/2 a ton of cast Iron , add two wheels and 40 hp then 40 press ups after the race

men were men back in my day u know .... no fancy colors , body armour , Cod piece if yoou were gay or hung like a horse ....


oh yes those were the days , Young people just dont understand how easy they have it these days ,,,,,,

Stephen

[CRF119]

I poo poo your light wieght bikes , I think not highly of your space age material , 1/2 a ton of cast Iron , add two wheels and 40 hp then 40 press ups after the race

men were men back in my day u know .... no fancy colors , body armour , Cod piece if yoou were gay or hung like a horse ....


oh yes those were the days , Young people just dont understand how easy they have it these days ,,,,,,

Stephen

I lernt to ride on a CT125 farm bike with a steel seat because the cows ate the cover, That was big heavy, slow and uncomfortable so i know exactly what it was like. Bikes didn't go as fast back in the day and the penalty for over jumping one of the largest jumps on the track just doesn't compare to the massive jumps these days.

[scott411]

Its amazing how much lighter Hondas bikes are compared to the others, and every year getting lighter!

Can't wait to ride this bike. Looks like a bike a lot of riders will enjoy and will save money on getting forks resprung for those that aren't in the target weight for the factory setup.

this one is heavier than the 2012, even with the air fork,

The Single cam engine is a big factor in the lighter weight

[Crasherfromwayback]

this one is heavier than the 2012, even with the air fork,

The Single cam engine is a big factor in the lighter weight

I've never seen inside a single cam Honda CRF engine. But won't it run rockers? If so...I would've thought they'd negate the other cam?

[scott411]

I've never seen inside a single cam Honda CRF engine. But won't it run rockers? If so...I would've thought they'd negate the other cam?

yeah they do, but the casting and supports are alot smaller, if you have a look at the size of the top of the CRF motor compared to the twin cam motors of the other brands there is a heap more metal in there,

Motocross Action had a article with the true weights of all the bikes, 250F and 450F, it was interesting,

[Crasherfromwayback]

yeah they do, but the casting and supports are alot smaller, if you have a look at the size of the top of the CRF motor compared to the twin cam motors of the other brands there is a heap more metal in there,

Motocross Action had a article with the true weights of all the bikes, 250F and 450F, it was interesting,

That makes sense. It certainly is the conehead of motocross bikes.

[honda_power]

cheap 09 coming up for sale soon then ash?

[ktm84mxc]

There's an info clip on the air forks on transworldmx.com for general info.

[tonyg26]

I like the Twin Mufflers, there is going to be some sick aftermarket ones available soon,

hate the rear side panels.

light weight tho

[raglanash]

cheap 09 coming up for sale soon then ash?

Yeah man, one vet owner, trail ridden only never raced...
Probably trade it, 5.5k if i'm lucky. It is still pretty tidy though really.
Giving the 09 a piston next week.
Going to hold out as long as possible and wait for the aftermarket bits to come out, had major probs getting shit like radiator braces on the 09 because we were one of the first.
Come to Cambridge this month bro! 24th.

[flyingcr250]

Transplant the powerplant from one of these and we might be cooking ...


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[honda_power]

Yeah man, one vet owner, trail ridden only never raced...
Probably trade it, 5.5k if i'm lucky. It is still pretty tidy though really.
Giving the 09 a piston next week.
Going to hold out as long as possible and wait for the aftermarket bits to come out, had major probs getting shit like radiator braces on the 09 because we were one of the first.
Come to Cambridge this month bro! 24th.

id love to, tryna sell the yz and a ute to upgrade to something a bit newer. yz may be sold so ill prob end up on a cheap 04-ish 125 until i sell everything... 5.5 is a bit much more me looking for something i can flick on for what i payed a few months after

until then no riding for me

[CRF119]

Yeah man, one vet owner, trail ridden only never raced...
Probably trade it, 5.5k if i'm lucky. It is still pretty tidy though really.
Giving the 09 a piston next week.
Going to hold out as long as possible and wait for the aftermarket bits to come out, had major probs getting shit like radiator braces on the 09 because we were one of the first.
Come to Cambridge this month bro! 24th.

Mate just payed 4.1k for a sick 2009 CRF450R. Crazy price!!!! Bikes drop in value so much now. Ill be dropping a CR500 into my 08 CRF450 insted of buying a new 450