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rastuscat
30th May 2012, 20:40
............is one of the most dangerous things you can do on two wheels.
The guys in our office attend crashes. I supervise them just now.
They all think motorcycles are the victims of our civilization. Them and cyclists. So many riders of 2 wheels get smoked by cars turning across stationary lines of cars, hitting the bikes coming down the outside or inside of the queue.
I did a search through our crash analyst looking for the most dangerous place for a motorcyclist, expecting it to be a location. It was.........any road where there is a traffic queue.
Then yesterday I saw a motorcycle turn through a line of cars and almost get smoked by a car coming down the outside of the queue.
Seems its just a bloody dangerous interaction, regardless of the parties involved.
What can we do about it?
theseekerfinds
30th May 2012, 20:44
are you referring to lane splitting here or to riders who are riding alongside a single row of vehicles?
pzkpfw
30th May 2012, 20:45
Funnily enough, getting through the queues is half the good thing about bikes.
(Having said that, I personally lane split lots, but tend to avoid filtering. Never feels as "safe".)
Asher
30th May 2012, 20:47
Alot of the time its the person at the front waving the turning vehicle through. People should never blindly follow the instructions of others.
Asher
30th May 2012, 20:52
Is this the situation you mean?
http://asbestos-claim.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f31f6c9b970b016300ebb308970d-pi
Where the left hand lane is queued and the cyclist gets taken out by the turning car?
Ocean1
30th May 2012, 20:54
What can we do about it?
Spend less time passing stationary cars?
I'd be interested in your analysyts definition of stationary, I think passing a queue of slow cars is more dangerous. They move quicker laterally than a stationary car.
Berries
30th May 2012, 21:00
Funnily enough, getting through the queues is half the good thing about bikes.
Exactly. If I was going to sit in traffic I would get a car.
The answer, obviously, is to not get knocked off. The tricky bit is preempting it but there are generally lots of clues if you are looking for them. If you get knocked off in the situation shown in post 5 then you really shouldn't be riding.
mossy1200
30th May 2012, 21:16
I sit in traffic. I only ride in the weekend so guess it doesnt effect me as im not in a hurry and its not rush hour stuff.
rastuscat
30th May 2012, 21:36
Is this the situation you mean?
Where the left hand lane is queued and the cyclist gets taken out by the turning car?
Normally it's cars turning in or out of driveways, when the biker wouldn't expect traffic to be crossing his/her path.
The illustration is really good though, as it's also a risky position. Lots of cycle crashes happen like that.
rastuscat
30th May 2012, 21:40
Funnily enough, getting through the queues is half the good thing about bikes.
(Having said that, I personally lane split lots, but tend to avoid filtering. Never feels as "safe".)
It's not just the splitting or filtering. It's riding up the left hand side of a line of cars. Which you are allowed to do if the cars are stationary.
I do it too, when it's legal, though I do it with great caution and an eye on what might be passing through gaps in the traffic.
Even if I'm doing it legally, I'll still be the one with the broken leg if I get nailed. Self preservation is the key.
Donuts.:Police:
davebullet
30th May 2012, 21:41
Trains have the answer:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/images/general/Mind_the_gap_rdax_700x465.JPG
The End
30th May 2012, 21:44
It's not just the splitting or filtering. It's riding up the left hand side of a line of cars. Which you are allowed to do if the cars are stationary.
I do it too, when it's legal, though I do it with great caution and an eye on what might be passing through gaps in the traffic.
Even if I'm doing it legally, I'll still be the one with the broken leg if I get nailed. Self preservation is the key.
Donuts.:Police:
From a legal/Police point of view, given the diagram above if you replace the cyclist with a motorbike, and there is an accident, would the turning car be at fault?
From a legal/Police point of view, given the diagram above if you replace the cyclist with a motorbike, and there is an accident, would the turning car be at fault?
Doesn't mater who is at fault if your dead!
I think it is more about being aware of what other might do
Hellzie
30th May 2012, 21:58
Solution = enforce the rule about keeping to the left of your lane. So if the stationary / slow moving vehicles are to the left, then the bikes can overtake on the right. Easier to see oncoming traffic that might cross your path.
Somewhat off topic but, I commute down onewa road (north shore) T3 lane every morning. It's the most stupid road design ever, with queued traffic on the right and the t3 / bus lane on the left. So many cross roads, driveways, etc. I have cars try and t-bone me almost on a daily basis. Would be much better if the T3 lane was on the right.
Berries
30th May 2012, 22:01
Normally it's cars turning in or out of driveways, when the biker wouldn't expect traffic to be crossing his/her path.
There's your answer right there. They/us/we should be expecting that to happen. It's part of Get Home In One Piece 101.
Katman
30th May 2012, 22:06
What can we do about it?
Open our eyes and engage our brains.
Voltaire
30th May 2012, 22:18
I ride everyday and overtake stationary traffic, you do have to be vigilant. The ones I hate are the cars that really don't want to stop at side road give ways or stop signs....and oncoming turning traffic who slow down a bit and start turning as you are passing.....
I was riding home the other day and there was a cop car one car length in front of me....suddenly without warning he braked hard as did the car behind him and me and did a power u turn.....I didn't see that coming.....
Still even a 4 degrees this morning I'd rather ride the bike than sit in the car in traffic..:banana:
Scream
30th May 2012, 22:25
Open our eyes and engage our brains.
This.
Probably the most active my brain ever gets when riding is when filtering down the side of traffic, double, even triple checking what EVERY vehicle around me is up to, I don't intend on finding out the hard way.
sil3nt
30th May 2012, 22:26
I don't leave the house. Just post shit on KB. Seems to be the safest way.
bluninja
30th May 2012, 22:31
I don't leave the house. Just post shit on KB. Seems to be the safest way.
You'd probably crash filtering water in your house
chasio
30th May 2012, 22:45
This.
Probably the most active my brain ever gets when riding is when filtering down the side of traffic, double, even triple checking what EVERY vehicle around me is up to, I don't intend on finding out the hard way.
100% agree. We have to be 'driving' everything around us (engage empathy mode) in order to predict what may happen next, too.
There is no need for this to be any kind of a "sneaky bike" scenario, either. All the transit and bus lanes I can think of (and am allowed to use) are the left hand lane, for example, and most peak times they will have a row of very slow or stationary traffic in the adjacent lane. As already well stated, mind the gap, especially.
I stand up on the pegs (as required) and move position in my lane (e.g. use left track at times) to get maximum visibility depending on the hazard. If my view is not clear, or I can see that a driver's view is obscured, and especially near a gap, I slow right down and ride so I could stop in the clear distance I can see. About once every few months, doing that has saved me from adorning someone's bonnet. (Touch wood.)
Scream
30th May 2012, 23:13
I stand up on the pegs (as required) and move position in my lane (e.g. use left track at times) to get maximum visibility depending on the hazard. If my view is not clear, or I can see that a driver's view is obscured, and especially near a gap, I slow right down and ride so I could stop in the clear distance I can see. About once every few months, doing that has saved me from adorning someone's bonnet. (Touch wood.)
This is exactly what I do too, this commonly happens to me when an SUV/people mover/van is in front of me and turns left into a sidestreet, that has someone waiting to turn out in front of me off the sidestreet, it's saved my ass plenty of times, I've ended up coming to a complete stop a few times. Another biggy is when I can see an SUV or the likes waiting to turn right across my path, with someone on the other side of them waiting to turn left (I pay attention to see if there's an extra set of wheels that shouldn't be there under the SUV as I approach), I get as far right and slow right the fuck down.
I have a bit of a hatred for SUV's, it's fine if they actually get used offroad or out in the country.. but the huge ass things people buy just to drive around town..
gatch
30th May 2012, 23:38
I was part of an incident a while back involving stationary traffic. I was going passed them on the left of the lane, a car in the oncoming lane stops to let a car out of a driveway. It powers through the oncoming lane, cuts through a gap in the cars in my lane and occupies the space I was before it hit me.
I should have seen it coming. I should have been looking for it as I know it is a very busy piece of road. And the backed up traffic is a tense time for all concerned. When I look back on it, given the circumstance I probably shouldn't have even been passing the cars, I could have taken a different route or waited in the queue with everyone else.
Another lesson..
Reckless
31st May 2012, 00:08
It's not just the splitting or filtering. It's riding up the left hand side of a line of cars. Which you are allowed to do if the cars are stationary.
I do it too, when it's legal, Donuts.:Police:
I never do it! Its undertaking and its fuckin dangerous legal or not?
The closest I might come to passing a car on the left is when filtering/Lane splitting between two rows of cars. At least then the car in the right lane can never make a sudden turn to the left its more like a lane change. And the body language of the car and driver is usually obvious. Your much better off on the right crossing the center line when required, shit you could even get nailed by a passenger making a quick exit when the car is stopped. Stuff that! the left is full of road debris, Dirt dust gravel and generally much less grip, people waiting to cross, people exiting parked cars, people putting there nose out of driveways to get into the line and all the other shit that goes on in the last place most drivers expect anyone to be passing.
If there is a row of cars at the lights I go between the the rows or up the outside. No cage driver is ever expecting to be passed on the left stationary or not. Its simply ingrained un written law of the road. Because cage drivers (even us Bikers) generally never expect to be undertaken by anything if we are in the left lane?
I have a riding buddy that does it, gives me the shits when she does and it usually never gives any advantage for long anyway, not worth it IMHO.
My 2c :rolleyes:
Brian d marge
31st May 2012, 00:14
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Stephen
Gremlin
31st May 2012, 03:17
Education for both sides.
I believe most motorcyclists learn about it (either through someone else, a close shave, or an accident) and are subsequently cautious.
Therefore, needs to be incorporated in the learning process. I would have thought more involved tests, or an education component? Perhaps a BHS 2 to be done on restricted or something? More work on skills, control, education on common scenarios.
For cagers, slightly different. Still have to be educated, how I'm not sure, but if that scenario was in their mind when they pulled out, one would think they would be more cautious? Does the UK have signs at known problem intersections?
rastuscat
31st May 2012, 05:42
From a legal/Police point of view, given the diagram above if you replace the cyclist with a motorbike, and there is an accident, would the turning car be at fault?
Yes, actually.
If the cars are stationary, the bike is allowed to overtake on the left.
Given that the bike is traveling straight through, and the car is turning, the car is required to give way, technically.
Having said that, any Popos who turns up will have sympathy for the car driver, as they probably commenced the turn without expectiing a bike to come flying down the outside of the cars.
It's oh so common in Chur Chur.
rastuscat
31st May 2012, 05:43
Doesn't mater who is at fault if your dead!
Amen to that. I wuv u coz u is roit
rastuscat
31st May 2012, 05:46
Open our eyes and engage our brains.
What ever happened to "Run off at the mouth and blame everyone else"
Voltaire
31st May 2012, 06:56
Yes, actually.
If the cars are stationary, the bike is allowed to overtake on the left.
Given that the bike is traveling straight through, and the car is turning, the car is required to give way, technically.
Having said that, any Popos who turns up will have sympathy for the car driver, as they probably commenced the turn without expectiing a bike to come flying down the outside of the cars.
It's oh so common in Chur Chur.
Many years ago I found that to be true when I was in my work car turning thru a gap and a cyclist came flying down the inside ( it was on an incline) saw me as I braked, veered off and fell off.
I stopped to see if she was ok...and she was....then an ACC cop turned up....played Mr Nice and that was that.....until I got a summons to court for dangerous driving and got a large fine.
Lesson learned that day.....don't be helpful to Auckland City Council cops.
they probably commenced the turn without expectiing a bike to come flying down the outside of the cars.
Would Hi-Viz vest helped there?
Ugh, this is too true. At least half of all the close calls I've had in 2 years of riding have been along the same dead straight stretch of Dominion Road bus lane on my morning commute to work.
There are about three danger spots where cars heading south turn right through a gap in stationary traffic and cross the bus lane. After a month I had developed a habit of slowing right down at the gaps and standing on the pegs to look over the queue which I now do pretty much any time I'm riding next to stopped cars. I can't count the number of times that I would've eaten shit and T-boned a car if I had kept sailing through at normal speed. I've seen lots of crunched bikes and scoots on the pavement along that part of Dominion.
Weekend just gone, a bike was between two cars at the front, waiting for the lights...
Lights turn green....100mts later, bike was 3rd behind us and a Ute....:killingme
Mazda6 got the Holeshot!....:niceone:
meteor
31st May 2012, 12:24
I find it easier to just ride believing everyone else on the road is there to kill me, no one knows any road rules and the road surfaces are designed to make me fall off. Yes I lane split and do other stuff I probably shouldn't but I think I do it in a way I'm keeping myself as safe as I possibly can... Legally speaking, who cares if you're in the right if you're a vegie or dead... ride safe!
G4L4XY
31st May 2012, 12:50
Solution = enforce the rule about keeping to the left of your lane. So if the stationary / slow moving vehicles are to the left, then the bikes can overtake on the right. Easier to see oncoming traffic that might cross your path.
Somewhat off topic but, I commute down onewa road (north shore) T3 lane every morning. It's the most stupid road design ever, with queued traffic on the right and the t3 / bus lane on the left. So many cross roads, driveways, etc. I have cars try and t-bone me almost on a daily basis. Would be much better if the T3 lane was on the right.
How would the buses pull over at the stops though? But yes thats a good idea!! I travel along that road often too and at each intersection you have to be so vigilant!
Parlane
31st May 2012, 12:56
Yes, actually.
If the cars are stationary, the bike is allowed to overtake on the left.
Given that the bike is traveling straight through, and the car is turning, the car is required to give way, technically.
Having said that, any Popos who turns up will have sympathy for the car driver, as they probably commenced the turn without expectiing a bike to come flying down the outside of the cars.
It's oh so common in Chur Chur.
Cycle lanes? Excuse me, but I must be a bad driver. But whenever I am turning across stopped traffic I move very slowly until I can see down the left side of the line of cars to make sure I am not going to hit a cyclist or a car. And especially now that we have the right turners give way I have to be extra careful for any left turning cars to give them the right of way.
Edit: Also when passing down the left, whenever I see a gap in traffic I am almost stopped completely until I have seen there are no turning cars.
imdying
31st May 2012, 13:00
What can we do about it?Either don't split, or ride slower. The older I get, the less I split... and when I do, I just dribble along. No hurry these days, and I'd rather up my chances of being able to stop for the unexpected. The other thing I do is use my core muscles to hold my frame high in the saddle, keeps my head up above the roofs of cars so I can see more of the big metal things.
Parlane
31st May 2012, 13:06
What can we do about it?
We could paint more yellow criss-cross "do not stop here" lines around intersections. They force the gap to be rather large for turning cars to be able to see more clearly. And all bikers should be able to spot the "danger zone".
Paint a:
"SLOW
DOWN"
On the left inside of the lane so cyclists can be forewarned of a open crossing.
Added benefits is that they allow for gaps of left turning vehicles to enter the road and at times right turning vehicles as well especially when combined with a median. So merging is a lot easier.
Hellzie
31st May 2012, 13:46
How would the buses pull over at the stops though? But yes thats a good idea!! I travel along that road often too and at each intersection you have to be so vigilant!
Bus stops in central medians - has been done before. I'm actually doing a study on it as we speak. It would work WAY better than it currently does. I might actually try and show the Auckland Council when I'm done with it.
Parlane
31st May 2012, 13:48
Bus stops in central medians - has been done before. I'm actually doing a study on it as we speak. It would work WAY better than it currently does. I might actually try and show the Auckland Council when I'm done with it.
Melbourne tram stops are in the center of the road.
meteor
31st May 2012, 13:55
Melbourne tram stops are in the center of the road.
Yeah and it's funny watching how many cars get a shunt coz they stop in the middle of the tracks wanting to turn right.
And to Hellzie, I'd be really dubious for the T3/T2 or bus lanes to be in the middle of the road as peds would need to cross traffic to get to the stops and where would they stop anyway? Wouldn't matter so much in Auckland as the traffic is pretty much parked up anyway at rush hour I spose.
Parlane
31st May 2012, 13:57
Yeah and it's funny watching how many cars get a shunt coz they stop in the middle of the tracks wanting to turn right.
And to Hellzie, I'd be really dubious for the T3/T2 or bus lanes to be in the middle of the road as peds would need to cross traffic to get to the stops and where would they stop anyway? Wouldn't matter so much in Auckland as the traffic is pretty much parked up anyway at rush hour I spose.
Could run a pedestrian tunnel.
Hellzie
31st May 2012, 14:01
I'd be really dubious for the T3/T2 or bus lanes to be in the middle of the road as peds would need to cross traffic to get to the stops and where would they stop anyway? Wouldn't matter so much in Auckland as the traffic is pretty much parked up anyway at rush hour I spose.
Easily solved with pedestrian crossings. The bus stops would be in the same places where they currently are, just moved to the middle of the road. It actually makes it better for pedestrians, as they have shorter distances to cross before they get to a pedestrian refuge in the middle of the road. A lot less daunting than crossing 3 - 4 lanes of traffic. :niceone:
meteor
31st May 2012, 14:11
Parlane/Hellzie,
Totally agree we need a better way. I hate to see how quickly the buses go right next to the footpath, I crap myself when on a bus going down Symonds past the varsity (figurativly speaking!)
I've worked through some road engineering issues with councils and what seems easy and common sense to most is quickly put through the regulations and beurocracy complicator and if that doesn't kill good ideas out comes the cost/benefit analysis of injury history over/on that particular road and if you're still wining, it has to fall in that years budget...
Sorry, hate to sound negative but if you have a great idea to save lives... don't go to council ;)
Parlane
31st May 2012, 14:17
Sorry, hate to sound negative but if you have a great idea to save lives... don't go to council ;)
Don't worry, I have a high vis vest, a bucket of white paint and some green spray paint. I'll fix it!
Hellzie
31st May 2012, 14:33
Parlane/Hellzie,
Totally agree we need a better way. I hate to see how quickly the buses go right next to the footpath, I crap myself when on a bus going down Symonds past the varsity (figurativly speaking!)
I've worked through some road engineering issues with councils and what seems easy and common sense to most is quickly put through the regulations and beurocracy complicator and if that doesn't kill good ideas out comes the cost/benefit analysis of injury history over/on that particular road and if you're still wining, it has to fall in that years budget...
Sorry, hate to sound negative but if you have a great idea to save lives... don't go to council ;)
It sure is an uphill battle, but it's quite easy to challenge the road engineering issues, and if you get a good engineer on board, and just keep plugging away at them, you eventually get something good. This wouldn't cost that much, and Council can't ignore the capacity issues on Onewa Road. It needs to be fixed, it's not working as it is. Must... stay... positive... :banana:
meteor
31st May 2012, 16:08
Hey Hellzie I love your positive outlook...
... Council can't ignore the capacity issues... it needs to be fixed, it's not working as it is
Thanks caller you're second in the queue... right behind the Auckland Motorway system! haha
chasio
31st May 2012, 18:20
It sure is an uphill battle, but it's quite easy to challenge the road engineering issues, and if you get a good engineer on board, and just keep plugging away at them, you eventually get something good. This wouldn't cost that much, and Council can't ignore the capacity issues on Onewa Road. It needs to be fixed, it's not working as it is. Must... stay... positive... :banana:
All buses I have seen in NZ only have doors on the left, requiring large central reservations so users can exit the bus safely: not cheap to build especially if roads need to be widened to accommodate them. Also pedestrian tunnels are no drop in the ocean.
Personally, I would rather they spent the money on rider/driver/pedestrian education and practical training! But I still admire your approach.
Keep your friggen eyes open and actively seek out the could be dangers. If in doubt dont. I dont need to split that often on my commute, but coming home do filter past slow and stationary lines of cars. There is a marked "cycle lane" on the left of the route I take, but as I am not on a cycle I wont use it. Undertaking a line of cars is stupid and dangerous as far as I am concerned. I would rather blazenly overtake a vehicle in full view, at a speed that does not alarm anyone and leaves me plenty of time to stop, ease back into the traffic or what ever I need to do.
I share, for want of a better word, the median lanes with other vehicles and have developed this rather keen awareness of the driveways etc on my route. After a bit you get to know where you can expect trouble and take extra care.
I find cars changing lanes on the motorway a bigger risk to me on my commute.
Ocean1
31st May 2012, 19:05
I never do it! Its undertaking and its fuckin dangerous legal or not?
Much as I find such Skatmanesque generalisations distasteful I must say I agree. I’ve never rationalised such behaviour, at least I haven’t for a long time, nor have I ever been bitten doing it, just makes my skin crawl thinking about it so I don’t do it.
ducatilover
31st May 2012, 19:18
It's very, very simple.
Use the foot path.
Yow Ling
31st May 2012, 20:14
Rastus, Living in Churchur you would be familiar with the old median strip on cranford st heading into town, you used to be able to pass the whole line and turn right into McFadden rd. Well I fucked that up for everyone. and put my ute on its roof when a bus driver let somebody through a gap. Now there is a traffic Island and the problem has been engineered away for that bit of road. Would have been way more dangerous if I rode a commuter bike. Got a day off work and not much else
rastuscat
31st May 2012, 20:25
Rastus, Living in Churchur you would be familiar with the old median strip on cranford st heading into town, you used to be able to pass the whole line and turn right into McFadden rd. Well I fucked that up for everyone. and put my ute on its roof when a bus driver let somebody through a gap. Now there is a traffic Island and the problem has been engineered away for that bit of road. Would have been way more dangerous if I rode a commuter bike. Got a day off work and not much else
Yeah baby!!!!
We used to enforce that one. The painted island was being used as a passing lane, and the troops at Placemakers were having grief getting in and out with traffic zooming up and down outside their driveways.
The traffic island will now be called Yow Ling Island, in your memory.
Must have been something to see. :lol:
Yow Ling
31st May 2012, 21:07
Yeah baby!!!!
We used to enforce that one. The painted island was being used as a passing lane, and the troops at Placemakers were having grief getting in and out with traffic zooming up and down outside their driveways.
The traffic island will now be called Yow Ling Island, in your memory.
Must have been something to see. :lol:
Ill post a picture tomorrow
Subike
31st May 2012, 21:35
Undertaking of the left of a stationary line of traffic?
Even if that is legal, it is not something I would want to do, unless on a motorway, where there are no parked cars, pedestrians or driveways.
I filter on multi lane roads, but when I do it an at an idle speed in 2nd gear, about 10kph max, with fingers over the brake,
Very aware of cyclist and pedestrians who will cross stationery traffic on multi lane road.
Have only had one close call in the past three months, a kid on a bmx,
A bmx sits lower than cars, almost invisible.
but because I was prepared, i stopped in time,
scared the crap out of the little fella.
cheshirecat
31st May 2012, 22:07
Hmm.
Like a couple of other riders here I used to ride for a living in London. There's a phrase there "gone by lunchtime" for the new bies in the game and if you survive a year then you are considered experienced. If you survived 6 years then you needed your head fixed. London weekday driving is unforgiving and very unforgiving the end of a long week of 12 hour rain filled days in the winter.
More than a few bikers I see commuting in the traffic mild Welly conditions are of the "gone by lunchtime" type and I wonder when they are not seen for a few days.
What would help is specialist traffic rider training as part of the test, along with motorway, wet weather and MUCH MORE. The current test reads as if they are talking to 4 year olds.
If Police riders were to be paid to run courses they would be very popular and save many incidents especially if riders were trained early at test level. The UK police riders manuel should be required reading for everyone taking the test.
Such a test needs to be taken with atitude of valuable FREE training and NOT an enforcement with a significant cost
If one wants to filter or "make progress' in traffic there are a number of safety criteria, well what I established after a few years of survival, and I'm sure others with similar experience would volunteer advice as well.
I filter, and hardly lane split or even pass on the left when traffic is stationery. When I do anything like this, always exercise extra caution. As a matter of fact everytime I get on the bike I'm extra careful. I would flash my lights etc to be noticed when filtering etc. Even when I know whats legal, I also know that most drivers don't understand the rules. If anything is to happen I'll be the one badly hurt. It still surprises me how little people understand about the legality of filtering and lane splitting etc. Education for both riders and drivers is key. Share your riding experiences with workmates / friends etc to spread the awareness.
KIPS powervalve
1st June 2012, 16:41
Why does the government not just make it flat out illegal to lane split, but make the bike equivalent of the bus lane, only on the rhs of the right lane (especially on the motorway)? That way, there will be fewer "grey area" tickets and a speedy and safer way of doing the morning commute.
Berries
1st June 2012, 17:56
Why does the government not just make it flat out illegal to lane split, but make the bike equivalent of the bus lane, only on the rhs of the right lane (especially on the motorway)? That way, there will be fewer "grey area" tickets and a speedy and safer way of doing the morning commute.
Where's the fun in that?
AD345
2nd June 2012, 18:10
Big loud pipes
German helmet
Forward facing spike on the front guard
Minimum speed while filtering of 80kmh in all built up areas
Sorted
Voltaire
3rd June 2012, 09:51
Why does the government not just make it flat out illegal to lane split, but make the bike equivalent of the bus lane, only on the rhs of the right lane (especially on the motorway)? That way, there will be fewer "grey area" tickets and a speedy and safer way of doing the morning commute.
Probably comes down to the Government not giving a rats arse about motorcyclists apart from taking lots of their money for the multiple dipping rego rip off.
I don't like riding on the motorway its madness.
CookMySock
4th June 2012, 20:44
Probably the most active my brain ever gets when riding is when filtering down the side of traffic, double, even triple checking what EVERY vehicle around me is up to, I don't intend on finding out the hard way.Only 20% of the population actually use their <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_(psychology)">Intuition.</a> The last unfortunate 80% must rely on the mere facts. Thus we have "riding intuitively", and those who can practice it, and conversely, those who should not. Sucks to be them.
GrayWolf
6th June 2012, 12:59
Only 20% of the population actually use their <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_(psychology)">Intuition.</a> The last unfortunate 80% must rely on the mere facts. Thus we have "riding intuitively", and those who can practice it, and conversely, those who should not. Sucks to be them.
Yes riding 'intuitively' is a good thing IF aligned with the 'facts'.... I lived and rode in London for 17yrs, and I still take my 'hat off' to the guys who rode there for a living as 'dispatchies'. THey have to develope an 8th sense to survive.
However,
Someone mentioned the Police Roadcraft manual should be compulsory reading, yup 100% agreement. Filtering/splitting through stationary traffic is quite OK as long as it is approached with caution and 'forsight'. You should'nt be travelling at higher than 20kph, giving you time to brake/adjust if required. Look at the road layout, where are the approaching left/right turns? EXPECT a hazard to be in situ on arrival. If needed go to the left or right of the lane if traffic is moving slowly, to get a view past lorries/vans etc, they obscure you from other road users, or they dont look properly and SMIDSY.
Parked cars on the left can be a source of interest. Look down the length of the parked cages, can you see anyone in a driving seat? Exhaust steam on cooler days? are the wheels angled outwards? even without an indicator operating, these are damn good 'tells' of possible movement. Same with the traffic turning left from a stationary queue, indicator? Wheels angled/ turning? If you are uncertain of any vehicles intentions? Your bike is equipt with an aubiable warning device... USE IT. A quick 'pop' on the horn is often enough to get a drivers attention.
All these sorts of anticipations or intuitive riding tips are found by studying 'roadcraft'....
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