This computer is fucking me off

[SMOKEU]

After just having replaced the second faulty motherboard on this computer, I installed a legit copy of Windows 7 Pro. The computer randomly restarts every few minutes now, and I get the usual black screen upon start up asking me what I want to do after an unexpected shut down. I'm seriously starting to hate this fucking thing.

[iYRe]

so.. faulty component (video/sound/network) or more likely, stuffed power supply.

[The Singing Chef]

Doubt it would be this but just on a random note, heard of running viruses that enter the shutdown command into CMD Prompt and set the timer for whatever so that the computer continually shuts down. To be a real pain in the ass you can set it to 30 seconds or whatever so that the user has no time to go into CMD Prompt and cancel the shut down sequence and you are really screwed.

[AllanB]

Ah shit man. Is this the one you've been building up.

[SMOKEU]

PSU is a Corsair TX950, so not something cheap. I'd also expect it to turn off rather than restart if it was the PSU. I just reinstalled Windows and the problem persists.

[SMOKEU]

Doubt it would be this but just on a random note, heard of running viruses that enter the shutdown command into CMD Prompt and set the timer for whatever so that the computer continually shuts down. To be a real pain in the ass you can set it to 30 seconds or whatever so that the user has no time to go into CMD Prompt and cancel the shut down sequence and you are really screwed.
That's why I disconnected all drives except for boot drive and optical drive with OS image before installation.

Ah shit man. Is this the one you've been building up.
Yup, I've spent over $3k on it in the past year and I don't get more than 3 months out of it before something else goes wrong.

[Nova.]

Get a puppy, bitches love puppy's.

[iYRe]

doesnt matter how expensive the PSU is.. Its quite common.. it overheats or for some reason resets itself, computer powers off and on again.. I see it day after day after day ... At least you can throw another one in and test it.

[steve_t]

+1 for PSU or RAM

[bogan]

doesnt matter how expensive the PSU is.. Its quite common.. it overheats or for some reason resets itself, computer powers off and on again.. I see it day after day after day ... At least you can throw another one in and test it.

Should be able to get temperature diagnostic tools on there if it will run stable for long enough. Speedfan is a damn good free one.

[Gremlin]

Memtest it for several cycles. If it shuts off during that period as well, then you know it's not software related, but with a new OS build, it's highly unlikely. If you get errors, well, that's easy too, now you know where at least one issue is. Memtest will not capture all errors, but it will catch the nice easy ones.

I'd swap the PSU. Brand doesn't really mean much any more. I have a ... fuck, can't remember. Was a good brand, but went down hill. It always goes like that, stop assuming one brand is good for ever and ever, or worse, assuming it's a good brand, so ignoring the troubleshooting. Suspect everything until proven wrong.

Also look to BIOS version, if you haven't updated that.

I suspect you're also on the outer reaches of the curve of tech... stop doing that as well, it's a pain in the arse. We went through 3 motherboards, before we could find one that could handle 4x 2gb high speed DDR2 sticks. It happens.

[Usarka]

I suspect you're also on the outer reaches of the curve of tech...

AKA the bleeding edge.

[iYRe]

from bitter experience... buying the flashest and fastest doesnt necessarily mean it is better, reliable,etc... on the contrary.. the opposite applies.

We run a number of high performance video editing, audio editing workstations (I work at a radio/tv station), and never go for the "gamer" stuff. It's a waste of money. In saying that, one video card for an editing suite for the TV station is worth $2500 minimum.

One of said workstations was doing exactly what your's is, and replaced the PSU THREE FREAKING TIMES!!! before we got one that worked properly. Another one was doing a similar thing, however in this case someone had broken off a usb device inside the front usb slot, and for some reason, any time anything accessed a usb device, windows would reboot.

So.. hardware it is. Most likely PSU.

[SMOKEU]

I fixed the problem. I uninstalled Windows and replaced it with Linux. The stability has been rock solid ever since.

[Brian d marge]

I fixed the problem. I uninstalled Windows and replaced it with Linux. The stability has been rock solid ever since.


Ha hahaha I was going to say that,,,

Stephen

[jonbuoy]

My bike overheats when I do more than 140KPH for more than 5 minutes, now I don´t go over 120KPH - problem fixed! :dodge: I think you masked the problem not cured it.

[sugilite]

Had a similar thing going on last year, chased my arse all over the show. The weirdest shit was happening, I was convinced it had a virus. On one occasion I opened task manager and it had Chinese characters all over the show! Turned out it was a faulty hard drive. Win7 is usually pretty good. I'm wondering if it was insisting on installing to the same sectors on the drive, and maybe Linux installed on different sectors. Sounds like you sorted anyways. :cool:

[iYRe]

in that case it was hardware and not PSU.. and the fault isnt resolved... eventually the component will just fail.

If you grep syslog or dmesg you might find some hints as to what it is.

Windows will just fart and die, linux will record the errors and keep on running (thusly I have not used windows (except for my work desktop because I have to) for 10 years)

[davereid]

I fixed the problem. I uninstalled Windows and replaced it with Linux. The stability has been rock solid ever since.

Same here. Had a windows machine that had a HDD failure. Win had been preinstalled and both the supplier and Microsoft wanted more cash for a copy of the operating system I had already bought and paid for.

So I put Ubuntu on.

It installed perfectly. Found all its drivers itself, and hasn't caused me any grief at all.

I can't fault it, its stable, fast and looks great.

The bummer is a dependence on windows based invoicing and CAD apps which I cant find Linux versions of, and I haven't (yet) got reliable under WINE.

[Bald Eagle]

Dual boot to a winxp partition when you must - sorted

Sent from my MB525 using Tapatalk 2

[SMOKEU]

That gave me a great idea. I'll install Windows onto a HDD instead of my SSD and see how that goes. That way I can easily determine if the SSD is faulty or not.

I find it funny how I'm doing a computing degree but we don't even get taught basic hardware fault finding. It's not much use knowing how to write software or anything like that if I can't even get the fucking thing working in the first place.

[sil3nt]

That gave me a great idea. I'll install Windows onto a HDD instead of my SSD and see how that goes. That way I can easily determine if the SSD is faulty or not.

I find it funny how I'm doing a computing degree but we don't even get taught basic hardware fault finding. It's not much use knowing how to write software or anything like that if I can't even get the fucking thing working in the first place.Pretty sure you can do some hardware courses if you want to.

[Akzle]

for cad software in ubuntu, go into your software sources and make sure you have all the latest repositories, enable the universe and multiverse and maybe even google for some CAD-specific repositories, then reload synaptic and you'll have a heap-um software listed, select "not currently installed" tab in LH then search "CAD"... i'm sure you'll find something. WINE is pretty average, try a VM, install windows to the VM. done, and you don't f*ck up your nice ext FS.

+1 for dual booting, but that means you have to part your HDD(s) or as you've said, install windows on a different one, set your linux HDD/partition to boot, then point your GRUB to the windows disk/part (all pretty easy)

linux handles dying hard drives better than windows, so i all likelihood if win was installed on a mech drive, it will be the drive dying, you can get diagnostic tools a plenty but prossibly best is to run M$ chkdsk over it from a null-boot, get something awesome like UBCD - it has most things you will ever need. (but not chkdsk ><)

windows killed my 2TB (backup!!!!) disk by eating the lead in of the file system, now it comes up with "drive is not formatted"
F@CK.
i'm still waiting until i can afford another 2tb to ddrescue it to...

[Gremlin]

I find it funny how I'm doing a computing degree but we don't even get taught basic hardware fault finding. It's not much use knowing how to write software or anything like that if I can't even get the fucking thing working in the first place.
Computing/IT is like medicine now. You don't get a degree in medicine, you focus on a specific subset.

Software and hardware rarely mix, other than having to bring them together. VBScript is as close to coding as I get, I'm hardware, ie, desktops, servers, firewalls and printers. Even that is very general compared to some.

[davereid]

WINE is pretty average, try a VM, install windows to the VM. done, and you don't f*ck up your nice ext FS.

I'm actually keener just to move everything to Ubuntu. When I replace my invoicing software I will be choosing one that runs under Ubuntu, and I am going to upgrade to a Linux version of my CAD software anyway.

I still find I get lots of Microsoft shit sent me by government departments.

The latest is a series of forms I am required to fill out for some special licences the company holds.

They are all in Microsoft DOCX crap format. I have sent them back and said I don't have Microsoft Office, please send in a standard industry format.

[SMOKEU]

Faulty SSD it is. I installed Windows 7 again onto a HDD off the same disc with the same drivers and all the same software as I did before with the SSD. It works fine now. So now I need a new SSD, as once you've had a SSD, you can never go back to a HDD. Sort of like when you get your first big bike, you can never go back to a 250, if you want to use that analogy. Now, I need help choosing a new SSD. I have narrowed it down to the following:

ADATA S510 (http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=968923)

Corsair Force 3 (http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=892913)

Intel 330 (http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=1196157)

OCZ Agility 3 (http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=885131)

Crucial M4 (http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=873561)

All but the Crucial M4 use the SF2200 controller, which is known to have questionable reliability. The Intel is slightly on the pricey side, but I might be able to scrape up the cash.

[sil3nt]

I got a crucial M4 128 GB from amazon for $150. About 1 week later they stopped shipping them to NZ.

Grab one from fleabay.

[Ntoxcated]

I've had two friends have problems with OCZ SSDs and bluescreens. One was fixed by replacing the Ssd, the other by flashing the SSD firmware.

[SMOKEU]

I got a crucial M4 128 GB from amazon for $150. About 1 week later they stopped shipping them to NZ.

Grab one from fleabay.

Are you running the stock firmware on yours? Apparently if you flash it you can get performance that's very close to that of a typical SF2200 drive.

[sil3nt]

Are you running the stock firmware on yours? Apparently if you flash it you can get performance that's very close to that of a typical SF2200 drive.I am the plug and play type. No desire to mess with it. It boots from cold to desktop in under 20 seconds (haven't timed it probably faster) whereas my old HDD would be over a minute (easier to buy SSD than to backup HDD and format it...was seriously slow with all the crap on it).

[Gremlin]

ADATA S510 (http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=968923)

Corsair Force 3 (http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=892913)

Intel 330 (http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=1196157)

OCZ Agility 3 (http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=885131)

Crucial M4 (http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=873561)
Intel whatever... they're proving to be the reliable options at the moment.

[SMOKEU]

BTW, whichever drive I choose must be a SATA 3 since my motherboard has a SATA 3 controller (all the SSDs I listed are SATA 3).

[Brian d marge]

Same here. Had a windows machine that had a HDD failure. Win had been preinstalled and both the supplier and Microsoft wanted more cash for a copy of the operating system I had already bought and paid for.

So I put Ubuntu on.

It installed perfectly. Found all its drivers itself, and hasn't caused me any grief at all.

I can't fault it, its stable, fast and looks great.

The bummer is a dependence on windows based invoicing and CAD apps which I cant find Linux versions of, and I haven't (yet) got reliable under WINE.

Varicad , I have a copy u can have + CAELinux,,, yes here we Do have a magor flaw in linux , the programs a free, and work and can be chopped around , BUT for top end cad work , sadly lacking

Varicad , Blender ( getting good now) meshlabs salome .... I wish there was a solid works for linux , or catia work on a linux platform


Stephen


PPPPSSSS ....virtual box with windows ( yik) is a good way ...wine just never seems to play ball ...except sketchup 8

[sil3nt]

BTW, whichever drive I choose must be a SATA 3 since my motherboard has a SATA 3 controller (all the SSDs I listed are SATA 3).Crucial and Intel would be the only ones I would touch.

For me it was between the M4 and the 320. No idea what the 330 is like!

[Usarka]

BTW, whichever drive I choose must be a SATA 3 since my motherboard has a SATA 3 controller (all the SSDs I listed are SATA 3).


It doesn't have to be sata3, you can still use a sata2 drive.

Intel 330 has 3 year warranty (not sure why but eek!). The 320 and 520 have a 5 year warranty (woohoo). 320 is only Sata2. = Intel 520

[Akzle]

BUT for top end cad work , sadly lacking send letters/emails to the harware manufacturers to release opensource OR compatible hardware drivers for linux OSes. the only way the hardware shits in bed with M$ will change is when the consumers demand it.

[davereid]

Varicad , I have a copy u can have + CAELinux,,, yes here we Do have a magor flaw in linux , the programs a free, and work and can be chopped around , BUT for top end cad work , sadly lacking

Thanks very much for the offer, but you need to be way smarter than me to do top end mechanical CAD, I struggle with the sketchy programs....

I am currently migrating all my PCB designs to Designworks, which runs on both Linux and Doze.

Its ideal for me, as I often do design at customers premises on customer machines and they are gmint depts, which means Windows.

After reading the thread I downloaded and installed Virtual Box.

I am disappointed to report it downloaded, installed, self configured and ran perfectly.

I installed WINXP in it. And even when XP crashes VB shrugs it off. So I can run my old invoicing program. And it will do.

Thanks much

[SMOKEU]

It doesn't have to be sata3, you can still use a sata2 drive.

Intel 330 has 3 year warranty (not sure why but eek!). The 320 and 520 have a 5 year warranty (woohoo). 320 is only Sata2. = Intel 520

I currently have a SATA 2 SSD, but I don't want to buy another one seeing that a SATA 3 SSD is only going to be around $30 more.

There has been quite a bit of discussion on the SF2200 controllers failing, and since the Intel drive that I mentioned uses that specific controller, I'm wondering what the reliability will be like. Intel drives do a pretty good reputation, though.

[Akzle]

I am disappointed to report it downloaded, installed, self configured and ran perfectly.

I installed WINXP in it. And even when XP crashes VB shrugs it off. So I can run my old invoicing program. And it will do.XP shouldn't be crashing in VB (any more than otherwise) adjust your config, make windows page file happy. also if you're porting your drives (HDD, optical, floppy whatever) windows sometimes shits through VB, there's always a workaround. check out the developers pages and/or the buntu help forums.

[SMOKEU]

I ran Memtest86+ with both DIMMs and the results are here (http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn204/SR20NP/Computer%20stuff/IMG110.jpg). I didn't want to embed the pic in case the mods get shitty due to the resolution. At least RAM is cheaper than a SSD, so that's some good news.

[SMOKEU]

I tested each stick individually with Memtest 86+ 4.20 for at least 5 hours and didn't get any errors. I only get errors when I'm running both sticks simultaneously.

[steve_t]

I tested each stick individually with Memtest 86+ 4.20 for at least 5 hours and didn't get any errors. I only get errors when I'm running both sticks simultaneously.

Are the sticks identical?

[scracha]

Adata S510 or S511. They come with a nice copy of Acronis too so you can easily clone your disk. Fast and not stupid priced. Have had no issues with them.

[SMOKEU]

Are the sticks identical?

Yes, both sticks are identical. They came in a dual channel kit.

[steve_t]

Yes, both sticks are identical. They came in a dual channel kit.

So you'll be looking at new sticks or a new mobo again I guess

[SMOKEU]

So you'll be looking at new sticks or a new mobo again I guess

This just keeps getting better and better. It could be a faulty memory slot on the motherboard, and I can't use the other 2 slots because 1 of them is covered by the CPU cooler. I have to use the same coloured slots for the memory to work in dual channel mode. I'll try one stick at a time in the suspected faulty memory slot.

[Akzle]

Are the sticks identical?impossible! (but we get what you mean)


I tested each stick individually with Memtest 86+ 4.20 for at least 5 hours and didn't get any errors. I only get errors when I'm running both sticks simultaneously. run 3dmark, and stress test (prime 95 is basically the (windows) go-to). what errors is it throwing up?? linux? winblows?
(sorry if you've said. i have a short attention span) if you can run prime for a week then your PC is SWEET

if it's four slots, you can either run them in 2 side by side, (generally the two closest to chip, some mobo will allow the other two, some need the one next to chip filled),
OR: one in, one blank, one in, one blank.

[Latte]

Faulty motherbards, faulty ram, and faulty ssd. Something in your environment is causing this - bad power supply, or bad esd duringssembly handling perhaps. Awfully high rma percentage

[SMOKEU]

impossible! (but we get what you mean)

run 3dmark, and stress test (prime 95 is basically the (windows) go-to). what errors is it throwing up?? linux? winblows?
(sorry if you've said. i have a short attention span) if you can run prime for a week then your PC is SWEET

if it's four slots, you can either run them in 2 side by side, (generally the two closest to chip, some mobo will allow the other two, some need the one next to chip filled),
OR: one in, one blank, one in, one blank.

I could put a HDD back in with Windows and try Prime95, but Prime95 tests RAM as well even on large FFTs mode. I guess I could try 3DMark 11 but I don't see how that would help.

I can't run RAM in dual channel mode side by side, as the memory slots next to eachother are different colours. The sticks should be put in the slots with the same colours according to the motherboard manual.

I used the same RAM in the old motherboard with no problems. The new motherboard is the same make and model as the old one (Asus P8P67 Pro).

[Usarka]

Stop overclocking, and buy kit that is between the 1/2 and 2/3 price point.

[bogan]

Stop overclocking, and buy kit that is between the 1/2 and 2/3 price point.

He's more like quarter-clocking if you factor in the downtime :rolleyes:
Isn't the computer tech market starting to stagnate now anyway as the tech becomes fucking plenty for pretty much all users? No longer software developer driven like it was in the late 90s and most of the 00s.

What mobo have you got anyway? Only go for the tried and tested excellent quality ones if you're looking to wring the shit out of it.

[SMOKEU]

Stop overclocking, and buy kit that is between the 1/2 and 2/3 price point.

I haven't overclocked the CPU since last year. RAM is at stock clocks, volts and timings. I need to get this thing going properly so I can score some of teh moar MHz!!!11




What mobo have you got anyway? Only go for the tried and tested excellent quality ones if you're looking to wring the shit out of it.

ASUS P8P67 Pro B3.

I wonder if it could be a faulty IMC.

[Akzle]

asus mobo FTW

or just get a diffrent cooler? thermaltake do some schweeeet oneshttp://thermaltakeusa.com/ProductBanner/cooler/CLP0554.jpg

reset bios. if fail, flash bios

try memory in config as above, f*ck the manual. if it doesn't like it it wont boot.

[SMOKEU]

I don't want a different cooler. I'm pretty happy with my Thermalright one. I will do a BIOS flash and test again with Memtest.

[SMOKEU]

Done the BIOS flash and now both sticks play nicely together after 8 hours of Memtest. I will put the HDD back in the computer with Windows 7 and run Prime 95 for a few hours just to be sure.

[iYRe]

I'm actually keener just to move everything to Ubuntu. When I replace my invoicing software I will be choosing one that runs under Ubuntu, and I am going to upgrade to a Linux version of my CAD software anyway.

I still find I get lots of Microsoft shit sent me by government departments.

The latest is a series of forms I am required to fill out for some special licences the company holds.

They are all in Microsoft DOCX crap format. I have sent them back and said I don't have Microsoft Office, please send in a standard industry format.

http://www.xero.com - works great, ran my business in it for 3 years.

Also.. unless the BIOS flash fixed something specific relating to your RAM, all you did was reset the bios (could have been achieved more simply and safely by disconnecting the power and taking the battery out).

[SMOKEU]

Also.. unless the BIOS flash fixed something specific relating to your RAM, all you did was reset the bios (could have been achieved more simply and safely by disconnecting the power and taking the battery out).

I updated to the latest BIOS version. I had an early BIOS version to begin with.

[iYRe]

Varicad , I have a copy u can have + CAELinux,,, yes here we Do have a magor flaw in linux , the programs a free, and work and can be chopped around , BUT for top end cad work , sadly lacking

Varicad , Blender ( getting good now) meshlabs salome .... I wish there was a solid works for linux , or catia work on a linux platform


Stephen


PPPPSSSS ....virtual box with windows ( yik) is a good way ...wine just never seems to play ball ...except sketchup 8

Try Crossover office to install stuff - their WINE containers seem to work with most things..

SmokeU,

Doesnt matter, unless there was a fix related to RAM or related subsystems, you didnt really change anything (and ran the risk of rendering the MB firetrucked).

[SMOKEU]

I'm back to square 1. I still can't run Windows on the SSD without the fucking thing restarting every few minutes.

[steve_t]

I'm back to square 1. I still can't run Windows on the SSD without the fucking thing restarting every few minutes.

Did you try setting the SSD back to IDE mode instead of AHCI?
What was the dealio with the RAM testing?

[SMOKEU]

Did you try setting the SSD back to IDE mode instead of AHCI?
What was the dealio with the RAM testing?

I haven't tried IDE mode.

The RAM wouldn't play nicely together in Memtest until I updated the BIOS to the latest version, and now both sticks are fine according to Memtest so that should rule out a RAM issue. When I installed Windows 7 onto a HDD I ran Prime95 for 7 hours in large FFTs mode and then 4 hours in blend mode running 8 threads each time (2600K) with no errors. I'm running everything at stock clocks and volts.

[steve_t]

I guess changing to IDE mode and then doing a reformat and installing windows again is worth a shot. Nothing to lose I guess. It loses NCQ I think but will still be a shyteload faster than a HDD

[SMOKEU]

I guess changing to IDE mode and then doing a reformat and installing windows again is worth a shot. Nothing to lose I guess. It loses NCQ I think but will still be a shyteload faster than a HDD

Cheers, I'll give that a shot. I did have it set as AHCI with the previous motherboard without any problems.

[Gremlin]

Must be the season for it... my home machine somehow shat itself yesterday evening...

A strong smell of burnt plastic and it won't start (it was running then I found it off).

So yes... I feel your pain :brick: I'll have to troubleshoot next week in the office with all the extra resources.

[steve_t]

2 of my mates had PSU's go in the last couple of weeks. Granted one was 4 years old and ran 24/7 and the other was over 5 years old but I started to wonder if we might have been having some shit electricity or something. Both use surge protecting power boards though. I have a UPS at home that shows the voltage and it's been down around 222v recently where it was a steady 230v a while ago. I figured the cold weather might be taking its toll on the national grid.

[SMOKEU]

If it is a PSU problem then it still doesn't explain why Windows works fine off a HDD but not a SSD. Or why Linux Mint 12 and 13 work fine off the SSD. If the PSU was at fault then I'd expect it to crash the system when my CPU and GPU are working hard. It's a 950W PSU so I can't load it up to even half way with the hardware I've got, and I bought a good quality PSU (Corsair) to avoid the problems with the cheap, nasty PSUs.

[Gremlin]

If you have another PSU, I'd still check. It's obviously a critical component, and it doesn't matter whether or not you can fully load it. Bear in mind there is a certain amount of power on each rail, and you can still overload one rail and have issues.

We use a lot of components with years of experience, and still don't trust them when fault finding. Treat everything as suspicious until proven otherwise... there are always duds.

[SMOKEU]

If you have another PSU, I'd still check. It's obviously a critical component, and it doesn't matter whether or not you can fully load it. Bear in mind there is a certain amount of power on each rail, and you can still overload one rail and have issues.

We use a lot of components with years of experience, and still don't trust them when fault finding. Treat everything as suspicious until proven otherwise... there are always duds.

It's only got one 12V rail. It puts out 78A. But yes, I will try to hunt down another PSU and try it.

[steve_t]

Corsair make pretty damn good PSU's.
Did u try in IDE mode? Or at least tried different SATA ports? I believe there are some SATA3 and some SATA2 ports. Tried the other SATA3 ports?

[SMOKEU]

Corsair make pretty damn good PSU's.
Did u try in IDE mode? Or at least tried different SATA ports? I believe there are some SATA3 and some SATA2 ports. Tried the other SATA3 ports?

I will try IDE mode and a different SATA port tomorrow. You're correct in saying that there are SATA2 and SATA3 ports on my board.

[nadroj]

My PC kept crashing and rebooting it'self a month or so ago. I had the luxury of using my son's PC while he is on his Contiki but bit the bullet yesterday, replacing the suspect power supply with imediate results. Similarly my PC runs 24/7 and is about 5yo, so I suppose that is the lifespan of a PSU.

[Akzle]

I guess changing to IDE mode and then doing a reformat and installing windows again is worth a shot. Nothing to lose I guess. It loses NCQ I think but will still be a shyteload faster than a HDD
that will reduce your throughput, thereby nullifying any advantage of an SSD. and if you install winblows under IDE emulation it will shit if you switch it to AHCI., better to get the OS working with the hardware config you WANT.

[steve_t]

that will reduce your throughput, thereby nullifying any advantage of an SSD. and if you install winblows under IDE emulation it will shit if you switch it to AHCI., better to get the OS working with the hardware config you WANT.

Seriously?? You think an SSD running in IDE mode will be the same speed as a HDD?? :laugh: It's just another trial to see if we can positively ID the faulty component.
In fact, if you read some reviews, throughput under IDE mode can be marginally faster than AHCI mode BUT... and of course there's always a but.... IOPS is generally reduced. It's a last straw suggestion to try and get Smokeu's computer actually running. Hell, it might not work but if it does, we get some more info :niceone:

[Akzle]

IDE (ATA) throughput=133mbyte/s
native/via AHCI comparable speeds.
(native SATA throughput =3GB/s-6 GB/s)
pci-e throughput= 16GB/s .real world.
average mech drive read/write speed = 100MB/s (depend RPM)
average SSD read/write speed = 250MB/s

so will it bottleneck running AHCI/IDE.... you tell me.

[SMOKEU]

IDE (ATA) throughput=133mbyte/s
native/via AHCI comparable speeds.
(native SATA throughput =3GB/s-6 GB/s)
pci-e throughput= 16GB/s .real world.
average mech drive read/write speed = 100MB/s (depend RPM)
average SSD read/write speed = 250MB/s

so will it bottleneck running AHCI/IDE.... you tell me.

Gb/s, not GB/s!

[steve_t]

IDE (ATA) throughput=133mbyte/s
native/via AHCI comparable speeds.
(native SATA throughput =3GB/s-6 GB/s)
pci-e throughput= 16GB/s .real world.
average mech drive read/write speed = 100MB/s (depend RPM)
average SSD read/write speed = 250MB/s

so will it bottleneck running AHCI/IDE.... you tell me.

Ummm... you're confusing interface speeds with protocols. Whichever mode you set it in, you're still connected via SATA.

[SMOKEU]

I can't be fucked diagnosing the fault or having anything more to do with this computer, so it's for sale if anyone is keen. Specs are as follows:

i7 2600K
Thermalright Venomous X cooler
8GB GSkill 1333MHz 9-9-9-24 1T
Sapphire 6950 2GB with shader unlock mod
500GB Seagate HDD
2TB WD Green HDD
Chieftek full tower case
Corsair TX950 PSU
Asus P8P67 Pro motherboard

My loss is your gain so make a sensible offer.

[Fast Eddie]

200.00 neat, if you throw in a bottle of bourbon my way

[SMOKEU]

200.00 neat, if you throw in a bottle of bourbon my way

The video card is worth more than that.

[steve_t]

Selling the SSD?

[jonbuoy]

Why not take it to a pro to have a look at?

[SMOKEU]

Selling the SSD?

I'm keeping that to use in my new Pentium 4 with 512MB of RAM and Linux. Winning.


Why not take it to a pro to have a look at?

CBF dealing with all the problems. Seems to have something else blow every few months and I don't have time or money to maintain it. If I don't get a good offer then I might keep it till I can be bothered fixing it or stripping it for parts.

[Fast Eddie]

The video card is worth more than that.

225.00 then, you tight bastard

[Akzle]

Ummm... you're confusing interface speeds with protocols. Whichever mode you set it in, you're still connected via SATA.http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/346/969638-cool_story__bro_super.jpg(try it and see)


I can't be fucked diagnosing the fault or having anything more to do with this computer, so it's for sale if anyone is keen.
50$ and a bag of chips.


...why dont you plug it into your aprillia.... double negatives=positive, right?
:bleh:

[SMOKEU]

Just replaced SSD with a new one and have the same problem. Still keeps restarting. Time I cut my losses I think.

[steve_t]

(try it and see)

I have. Have you?

Oh look, in the Indilinx read speed benchmark, the IDE was faster and transferring at 194.2 MB/s. OMG, surely that's IMPOSSIBLE given your knowledge of computers! :wacko: These benchmark testers obviously have no idea what they're talking about.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=505&Itemid=38&limit=1&limitstart=5
In summary, yes AHCI is generally faster. No, IDE mode over SATA is NOT limited to the speed of the older IDE interface. AHCI has advantages such as NCQ.

[Spuds1234]

If you wind up splitting the lot up I'll give you $100 for the 2Tb drive.

[avgas]

Yup, I've spent over $3k on it in the past year and I don't get more than 3 months out of it before something else goes wrong.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Give you $250 for it

[pzkpfw]

Have you tried Linux?

[steve_t]

Have you tried Linux?

Hahaha... Gold! :2thumbsup

[SMOKEU]

Have you tried Linux?

Yeah it's fine with Linux.

[Akzle]

Have you tried Linux?

i believe it's pronounced ba-zing-ga

[Akzle]

Yeah it's fine with Linux.

o'
snap. .

[imdying]

The video card is worth more than that.Not if it's faulty. I'll give you $350.

[imdying]

If you wind up splitting the lot up I'll give you $100 for the 2Tb drive.

Fuck that, lean on the right people and you'll get a new one for little more than that.

[imdying]

Just replaced SSD with a new one and have the same problem. Still keeps restarting. Time I cut my losses I think.

Jammed a multimeter with min/max on the 5v and 12v lines to see if its sagging?

Triple checked the seating of your CPU TIM?

[SMOKEU]

Jammed a multimeter with min/max on the 5v and 12v lines to see if its sagging?

Triple checked the seating of your CPU TIM?

I didn't think of the voltages. I will check it out. I booted into Windows off a HDD and ran Prime95 for 4 hours in large FFTs mode and no errors. I also ran it for 3 hours in blend mode with no errors either.

[ducatilover]

Buy a Hayabusa.

[SMOKEU]

Buy a Hayabusa.

I'd love to ride one. I can honestly say that I wouldn't be able to handle the power though, especially on crappy NZ roads.

[ducatilover]

I'd love to ride one. I can honestly say that I wouldn't be able to handle the power though, especially on crappy NZ roads.
I've ridden one. I think I died, but it happened so fast I'm not sure.

[SMOKEU]

I've ridden one. I think I died, but it happened so fast I'm not sure.

I think my 600 is enough for me now. I don't know how people manage to hold on when thrashing a big sports bike, especially if the front wheel is prone to lifting up. At least the Hayabusas have a long wheelbase.

[riffer]

You know the funny thing about Hayabusas is they only go as fast as you pull back the throttle. :rolleyes:

[ducatilover]

I think my 600 is enough for me now. I don't know how people manage to hold on when thrashing a big sports bike, especially if the front wheel is prone to lifting up. At least the Hayabusas have a long wheelbase.
My 600 is faster than I need :lol: I think it'll have to be a v-twin again for the next bike, inline 4's make me silly. The scary thing 'bout a 'Busa is how easy any speed is, it's ridiculous. Total pussy cat of a thing to ride, just ignore the speedo :cool:

[unstuck]

I don't know how people manage to hold on when thrashing a big sports bike,

They dont use up all their strength playing video games and wanking.:bleh::innocent:

[pzkpfw]

Dunno if this is good, just seems relevant: http://www.firstin.co.nz/products/samsung-pm410%20-8146/

(Until 10am on Sunday).

[steve_t]

Dunno if this is good, just seems relevant: http://www.firstin.co.nz/products/samsung-pm410%20-8146/

(Until 10am on Sunday).

Wow. That really is cheap. Hmmm... is a 'manufacturer recertified' SSD a good idea? Probably fine if you routinely backup

[Buyasta]

That's a laptop drive though, it's 1.8" and has a LIF connector, not SATA, so you'd need an adapter.
Factory refurbs really aren't much riskier than a brand new one - while occasionally you might get a unit that was returned for a technical fault and fixed, that's usually just not economical, so the vast majority are perfectly functional units that were bought by someone who then decided they didn't want/need it so returned it. Half the time they've never even been used, but they still can't be resold as new by law, so you get a damn good deal with full manufacturer warranty.

[SMOKEU]

I would so have my way with one of these (http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-revodrive-3-x2-max-iops-pci-express-ssd.html).

[steve_t]

That's a laptop drive though, it's 1.8" and has a LIF connector, not SATA, so you'd need an adapter.

Yep. Good thing to point out :niceone:

[steve_t]

I would so have my way with one of these (http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-revodrive-3-x2-max-iops-pci-express-ssd.html).

Cost is probably more than the rest of your system combined. Oh, $2200 for the 960G

[Spuds1234]

Fuck that, lean on the right people and you'll get a new one for little more than that.

Sadly I dont know the right people, although when money permits I shall probably buy about 5 of the fuckers.

[iYRe]

if you spent more than 1000 on a computer (other than a machine for a specific purpose, like video editing using edius (needs a 2.5k video card), or running a radio station (needs a 2.5k audio card)) you spent too much.

I've got an i3, 6TB of storage, 6GB of RAM, and an NVIDIA GPU with 1GB of RAM - $800. Its been running 24/7 for the last 2 years.

[steve_t]

if you spent more than 1000 on a computer (other than a machine for a specific purpose, like video editing using edius (needs a 2.5k video card), or running a radio station (needs a 2.5k audio card)) you spent too much.

I've got an i3, 6TB of storage, 6GB of RAM, and an NVIDIA GPU with 1GB of RAM - $800. Its been running 24/7 for the last 2 years.

Really? 6TB of HDD cost $500-600 back in 2010:blink:

[iYRe]

Really? 6TB of HDD cost $500-600 back in 2010:blink:


no.. alot less.. mind you.. I get "proper" prices.

[Gremlin]

Really? 6TB of HDD cost $500-600 back in 2010:blink:
The floods that Thailand/Philippines had pushed up prices due to massive shortages, and the prices still haven't returned to the old levels...

[iYRe]

yeah.. iirc I was paying about 100$ for 2TB. Crappy western digitals, but still.. they're ok if you dont move em.