Ktm or gas gas?

[KTM200/stevo0987]

im looking at 3 bikes what do you guys think?


http://www.boydmotorcycles.co.nz/Sto...t=2&c=91000004


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-479456684.htm


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-480657807.htm


Thanks

[flyingcr250]

None of those links work properly...

[dafydd roberts]

Good question in the UK GasGas and KTM are at the top here it seems more KTM.

[Nova.]

Kawasaki....

[KTM200/stevo0987]

Sorry now try

http://www.boydmotorcycles.co.nz/Store/ProductDetails.aspx?p=8458&t=2&c=91000004

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-479456684.htm


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-480657807.htm

ALSO LOOKING AT HUSQVARNA ......

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dirt-bikes/auction-479205675.htm

[Nova.]

That huskys nice

[dafydd roberts]

Checkout the 2012 GasGas from dirt action.

http://dasmoto.co.nz/gas-gas-bikes

[barty5]

wouldnt go near the gas gas there ok but they use bits of all sorts a makes of bikes from yamaha to honda to what ever and real common for bit to just fall off. the husqvarna looks good although only a 125 and the 07 ktm also for the money ask on the other one better off spending a bit more an get the newer more up to date one it one owner and if the guy has looked after it as he makes out and is an old slow rider then it should be fine.

[F5 Dave]

wouldnt go near the gas gas there ok but they use bits of all sorts a makes of bikes from yamaha to honda to what ever and real common for bit to just fall off.. . .
That's a pretty weak excuse. So they use same clutch & brakes & conrod & airfilter as a CR250 so you can get quality parts easily. Gee, yeah that would make me not want to touch them. Bits to just fall off? Sure. -thread technology has been a pretty stable science since the turn of the century before this one. Its not like they vibrate like a Harley, or even much at all.

Try again flatearther.

There's a bunch of us with 1/2 doz of them no drama.

[cue redneck drawl] "I hear those jap bikes are made of shit metal" (& other such lies)

[noobi]

Gasgas will be a better bike for more technical riding, have smoother power, turn better, and be better over nasty rough ground. The ktm is better for higher speed riding, has a much more aggressive engine, but turns worse and is a bit sketchy over rough ground(rocks and roots). The gasgas is slightly heavier and has a lower seat height than the ktm.
I tired both the ktm and gasgas 200s and got the gasgas, it suited me better.
No parts have mysteriously fallen off my bikes either.

[ktm84mxc]

First question what are your intended uses for the bike? If its trail riding, grass track motocross, enduro any of those will do.
Next whats your height if you're under 1.7m go for a GASGAS or pre 07 KTM lower seat heights. Your weight is not an issue unless its under 60 kg.
If your buying an bike with over a 100 hours factor into the costs a piston & conrod mains as these will need doing in the near future, chain sprockets, brake pads are easily checked not engine parts at purchase time.
GASGAS, KTM, HUSKY are all well build bikes and give years of fun but they're all slightly different and suit different riders especially as the demands of enduros have changed as its more like a car rally with the emphasis on the terrain[special] tests etc.
If you like the Husky 125 its new at a good price and you should be able to get the 150 kit for it if you haggle hard enough for free or at cost.

[BoristheBiter]

Gasgas will be a better bike for more technical riding, have smoother power, turn better, and be better over nasty rough ground. The ktm is better for higher speed riding, has a much more aggressive engine, but turns worse and is a bit sketchy over rough ground(rocks and roots). The gasgas is slightly heavier and has a lower seat height than the ktm.
I tired both the ktm and gasgas 200s and got the gasgas, it suited me better.
No parts have mysteriously fallen off my bikes either.

I agree with the KTM's turning but you just need good clutch/bake control and I just fly over rough ground.

And yes they do go fast.

Mind you I might change my mind after tomorrows 1st round at woodhill.

[Trials Rider]

wouldnt go near the gas gas there ok but they use bits of all sorts a makes of bikes from yamaha to honda to what ever and real common for bit to just fall off. the husqvarna looks good although only a 125 and the 07 ktm also for the money ask on the other one better off spending a bit more an get the newer more up to date one it one owner and if the guy has looked after it as he makes out and is an old slow rider then it should be fine.

Well now that would have to be the most dumb ass reply you could write.

I own a Gas Gas EC300 and I love it, however I also rode a KTM 300 EXC and that was a good bike too, the truth is that a lot of the parts are common across the brands, Ohlins, Mazzochi, Brembo, Nissin, even the hubs on the Gassa are the same as Husky.

The bigger influence for me was my height and what I ride, the Gasa was easy to lower with the dog bones in the back as opposed to the direct link on the KTM.

I liked the Husky but its not electric start and even by KTMs own admission their starters are only an accessory so do I want spend 10K + for no electric start, NO but it was a personal preference, they are still dame good bikes.

I like slower technical riding for which the Gasa motor has more bottom end and suits my riding.

Every brand has its "needs upgrading" part that we complain about but do we sell our bike because of it, No, if that was the case you wouldn't own a bike at all.

My advice, ride them all and make up your own mind, talk to the owners of the models you are looking at and then make an informed choice and regardless of the brand you will get something you enjoy.

[KTM200/stevo0987]

First question what are your intended uses for the bike? If its trail riding, grass track motocross, enduro any of those will do.
Next whats your height if you're under 1.7m go for a GASGAS or pre 07 KTM lower seat heights. Your weight is not an issue unless its under 60 kg.
If your buying an bike with over a 100 hours factor into the costs a piston & conrod mains as these will need doing in the near future, chain sprockets, brake pads are easily checked not engine parts at purchase time.
GASGAS, KTM, HUSKY are all well build bikes and give years of fun but they're all slightly different and suit different riders especially as the demands of enduros have changed as its more like a car rally with the emphasis on the terrain[special] tests etc.
If you like the Husky 125 its new at a good price and you should be able to get the 150 kit for it if you haggle hard enough for free or at cost.

THANKS GUYS
First of all i will use it to ride at our farm,some occaisinal trail rides,harescrambles, some mx fun... wont be doing enduro for a bit..2nd im 1.8m 14yrs old had 8 yrs experience 55-60kg i WANT an enduro bike, better built than mx bikes in the first place and to be honsest i hate mx bikes
Cheers

[EXCDirt]

I did have an 09 ktm300. It was an ok bike..... Never had any problems with it.

Then I bought a Gas gas ec300 sixday model about 18 months ago. Has been awesome!
Done nearly 100 hours and just did the top end about 8 hours back.
Bottom end just killed the bearings and had to do the rod and main bearings.
Done front fork seals twice. onto the third front pipe and second muffler :lol:
Onto 4th set of tyres and have settled on Dunlop MX31s as my preferred choice.

Can't really complain as I generally try to destroy the bike every time i ride it.
I have always enjoyed riding it. Seems to excel at technical riding and can climb tricky stuff better than I even think possible.

Have always wondered if I could ride a 200 2t as well and if less weight would be even better at technical stuff.

[gwynfryn]

You're only 14?. Man when i was 14 i just wanted someone to fix my dt175.No one ever did.

[Trials Rider]

You're only 14?. Man when i was 14 i just wanted someone to fix my dt175.No one ever did.

Oh man that is so sad, pack of bastards not fixing your bike :weep: I remember when I was 14, I bought an XL125 and was I cool:banana: and then it shit itself too:mad: and no F&#king money to fix it.

I was so impressed with the power, I could almost pull a wheelie, the only way I could do a burnout was in 1st gear with the front wheel against the wall, was a fairly slow burnout, in fact it just about put you to sleep watching but it was still cool compared to the BMX.

[BoristheBiter]

Fourteen? fuck I didn't get my first bike til I was 30.

Buy one, ride it for a couple of years sell it, buy the other and you can make your own mind up, it's called experience because everyone has their own ideas on what makes a bike rock.

[gwynfryn]

Oh man that is so sad, pack of bastards not fixing your bike :weep: I remember when I was 14, I bought an XL125 and was I cool:banana: and then it shit itself too:mad: and no F&#king money to fix it.

I was so impressed with the power, I could almost pull a wheelie, the only way I could do a burnout was in 1st gear with the front wheel against the wall, was a fairly slow burnout, in fact it just about put you to sleep watching but it was still cool compared to the BMX.

You had a xl and a bmx bike. Shit i had a deprived childhood.

[Nova.]

I bought my own bike at the age of 16 for $5500

[F5 Dave]

. . .
I was so impressed with the power, I could almost pull a wheelie, . .. . .:lol:

I'd better give you some rep for that.:killingme

[Ocean1]

the only way I could do a burnout was in 1st gear with the front wheel against the wall,

Technical design limitation, there; If it'd had any more power you'd have bent the spagetti forks.

[Pornstar]

that 200EXC looks nice, probably steer away from the older ktm, the husky looks sweet, although they seem wide in the tank knee area, the exc is quite slim.

[KTM200/stevo0987]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=480659337&open_homes=&region=&district=


i think it looks really nice :)
do u guys??

[F5 Dave]

One of those 4 stroke things? Nah, never catch on,.

[IIIRII]

they use bits of all sorts a makes of bikes from yamaha to honda to what ever

What ?, I dont understand that comment,
is it somehow unlike japanese car manufacturers you mean ?


Noobies had gg's for must be coming up to 4 years now ?
Done in excess of 300 hrs riding
had 2 dnf's.
Probably hrs riden vs repairs or dnf's better than your bike barty.

But, everythings covered off already / depends what you want to do with the bike.

[barty5]

What ?, I dont understand that comment,
is it somehow unlike japanese car manufacturers you mean ?


Noobies had gg's for must be coming up to 4 years now ?
Done in excess of 300 hrs riding
had 2 dnf's.
Probably hrs riden vs repairs or dnf's better than your bike barty.

But, everythings covered off already / depends what you want to do with the bike.

ok so given i did a oh 146 hrs before it was stolen and only ever had to do routine things such as oil and chains ooh and 1 piston at 100hrs you spent and waited how long for parts on the 125 when it blew ???? so i wouldn't even try that one cause i think my ruff figure of around a $1000 including tyres, oil filter, chains etc etc ( not including fuel for 146 hrs isnt so bad

[noobi]

ok so given i did a oh 146 hrs before it was stolen and only ever had to do routine things such as oil and chains ooh and 1 piston at 100hrs you spent and waited how long for parts on the 125 when it blew ???? so i wouldn't even try that one cause i think my ruff figure of around a $1000 including tyres, oil filter, chains etc etc ( not including fuel for 146 hrs isnt so bad

200US for a new cylinder and piston, 1 week from the states. I sold the damaged cylinder for 150USD the same week.
New rod 200NZD(same as yz125), overnight to MR motorcycles.
Bearings 25NZD each, overnight to MR motorcycles
Seals and gaskets 100NZD, 3 days from NV motorcycles.

:killingme

[barty5]

200US for a new cylinder and piston, 1 week from the states. I sold the damaged cylinder for 150USD the same week.
New rod 200NZD(same as yz125), overnight to MR motorcycles.
Bearings 25NZD each, overnight to MR motorcycles
Seals and gaskets 100NZD, 3 days from NV motorcycles.

:killingme

ok what ever gee bot the 2g you where complaining about or the couple a month it took ill put it down to old age for my memory loss any your moaning shall I. good try

[flyingcr250]

Any waaaaay, ive had 4 ktm 2 strokes and never had any major problems with then, one of them did 300 hours on the factory bottom end and clutch :niceone:, ive ridden a late model gas gas and they are real nice...

[noobi]

ok what ever ,gee boy, what aboutthe 2g you where complaining about or the couple a month it took. ill put it down to old age for my memory loss ????any your moaning shall I????. good try

I give up.



Any waaaaay, ive had 4 ktm 2 strokes and never had any major problems with then, one of them did 300 hours on the factory bottom end and clutch :niceone:, ive ridden a late model gas gas and they are real nice...

If you look after any bike it should last for ages.


OP, made any progress?

[IIIRII]

ok what ever gee bot the 2g you where complaining about or the couple a month it took ill put it down to old age for my memory loss any your moaning shall I. good try

Please repeat using english

Either way, no parts have fallen off either of them, dont recall anything falling off Barry's or mitch's either.
Maybe its just your peculiar maintenance regeme bart ?

And like I said ALL japanese car manufacturers "share" parts and that doesnt seem to detract from reliablilty, so I still dont see what the issue is with bikes sharing manufacturing sources.

Do you warn your customers off buying japanese cars for the same reason you are obsessed with putting the boot into anything that hasnt got Yamaha written on it ?

Just curious

[Trials Rider]

Please repeat using english

Either way, no parts have fallen off either of them, dont recall anything falling off Barry's or mitch's either.
Maybe its just your peculiar maintenance regeme bart ?

And like I said ALL japanese car manufacturers "share" parts and that doesnt seem to detract from reliablilty, so I still dont see what the issue is with bikes sharing manufacturing sources.

Do you warn your customers off buying japanese cars for the same reason you are obsessed with putting the boot into anything that hasnt got Yamaha written on it ?

Just curious

Are I see it all now the word Yamaha came into it, sounds like someone feels a weeeee bit threatened, I guess you only have to look at the 2011 Erzberg results and 2011 Romaniacs top 15 bikes ask "is yamaha there" answer NO.

You will find KTM, Husaberg, Gas Gas and even Husqvarna and bugger me none of that is Japanese.

There must be a message in there some where ???????????

[green machine]

Are I see it all now the word Yamaha came into it, sounds like someone feels a weeeee bit threatened, I guess you only have to look at the 2011 Erzberg results and 2011 Romaniacs top 15 bikes ask "is yamaha there" answer NO.

You will find KTM, Husaberg, Gas Gas and even Husqvarna and bugger me none of that is Japanese.

There must be a message in there some where ???????????

Horses for courses mate,you won't find any of those brands you just named winning any Pro MX races,......except for Dungy's KTM of course......and for the record i'm not biased on bikes,i've owned Suzuki,Kawasaki,KTM and Yamaha:niceone:

[barty5]

Please repeat using english

Either way, no parts have fallen off either of them, dont recall anything falling off Barry's or mitch's either.
Maybe its just your peculiar maintenance regeme bart ?

And like I said ALL japanese car manufacturers "share" parts and that doesnt seem to detract from reliablilty, so I still dont see what the issue is with bikes sharing manufacturing sources.

Do you warn your customers off buying japanese cars for the same reason you are obsessed with putting the boot into anything that hasnt got Yamaha written on it ?

Just curious

never said it had to have yamaha on it just that i wouldnt recommend gasgas those that i know that have had them have had nothing but problems with getting parts when needed etc etc and yes im not a fan of ktm either since working on them but i have ridden them and are ok id certainly buy one over a gas gas any day.
if i was bias against only being yamaha i would have been riding hondas the last 8 months ??

[takitimu]

Are I see it all now the word Yamaha came into it, sounds like someone feels a weeeee bit threatened, I guess you only have to look at the 2011 Erzberg results and 2011 Romaniacs top 15 bikes ask "is yamaha there" answer NO.

You will find KTM, Husaberg, Gas Gas and even Husqvarna and bugger me none of that is Japanese.

There must be a message in there some where ???????????

Absolutely, the japs don't care about 2 strokes dirt bikes or extreme enduro :). Whether that is smart on their part is a totally different arguement, I think they've made a strategic mistake giving KTM & to a lesser extent Husky & even lesser extent GasGas the breathing room they have.

[F5 Dave]

KTM esp have grown at a phenomenal rate, so it was a mistake to give them the means to make the capital & hence expand into road markets.

If people have had trouble getting GG parts it is a local dealer problem or Triumph NZ (which are GG distributors & are known as being useless). That said there are plenty of decent dealers like DAS in Chch which will carry most stuff & courier, or in the internet world Aus & US are packed with anything you want at good prices.

My bias? I'm a definite Yamaha fan. Love my GasGas better than anything dirty I've ridden.

[Trials Rider]

Horses for courses mate,you won't find any of those brands you just named winning any Pro MX races,......except for Dungy's KTM of course......and for the record i'm not biased on bikes,i've owned Suzuki,Kawasaki,KTM and Yamaha:niceone:

Well done that was my point in the beginning, you buy a bike to suit your riding style and preferences, I had a Yamaha DT230, it was neat bike and typical Yamaha, a well built bike but I wanted more or an enduro bike, hence my Gassa EC300, suits my style.

I know it wouldn't do well in motocross, its way to gentlemanly to ride for that but a great technical trial bike

[george formby]

Well done that was my point in the beginning, you buy a bike to suit your riding style and preferences, I had a Yamaha DT230, it was neat bike and typical Yamaha, a well built bike but I wanted more or an enduro bike, hence my Gassa EC300, suits my style.

I know it wouldn't do well in motocross, its way to gentlemanly to ride for that but a great technical trial bike

Have you done any road miles on your GG? I'm on the same page when it comes to riding as you know.:niceone: & a very happy camper still.

[BoristheBiter]

Well done that was my point in the beginning, you buy a bike to suit your riding style and preferences, I had a Yamaha DT230, it was neat bike and typical Yamaha, a well built bike but I wanted more or an enduro bike, hence my Gassa EC300, suits my style.

I know it wouldn't do well in motocross, its way to gentlemanly to ride for that but a great technical trial bike

That's the problem I am having with my KTM.
It is just so far removed from the XR i was on so it has meant I have had to change how I ride and it is taking some getting used to.

[F5 Dave]

Have you done any road miles on your GG? . .
I'll answer that as a previous EC200 owner & current EC300. - Only on the 200m stretches between dirt sections of organised trail rides. Once you have decent dirt tyres on you avoid tarmac as it knackers them & is 'orrible to ride on walking knobblies. You'd need another set of wheels. Pretty expensive. Or end up with compromise tyres & why have a decent bike on poor tyres?

I'm about to try a CCL needle (might as well turn this waffle where the OP has gone awol into a jetting thread)

[Trials Rider]

Have you done any road miles on your GG? I'm on the same page when it comes to riding as you know.:niceone: & a very happy camper still.

No its not road registered, just as well though cause the only thing it wouldn't pass on the road is a petrol station, granted they are 50HP but you pay for the privilege, glad to hear the DT is going well, that was a neat bike, Yamahas best keep secret.

[ktm84mxc]

Love the comments on Pro MX that would only be in the States or outside Europe KTM have dominated the 125/250f class for the last 10 years, Cairoli will win simply because He's the best rider and he happens to be on a KTM.
In the States KTM have been at the pointy end of the Off Road scene with riders David Knight, Taddy and the locals KTM rders. KTM makes and sells models the market wants that's why it's a market leader its come a long way from a bankrupt company in 1992.
Jumping from a XR to a modern bike esp a 2 stroke will take some adapting same would apply to a 250/450f, hopping on and just chugging around wont cut it a modern bike has more latent ability then most riders know how to use.

[george formby]

Heard an interesting comment from a gun enduro rider recently, ardent husky user. The euro 2 strokes are more linear & rideable from the bottom through the mid range compared to big top end hit jap bikes. Have to agree too, the husky 250 was a lot more fun to ride than my Kwaka which kept trying to kill me. So euro for technical, jap for balls out?

[Trials Rider]

Love the comments on Pro MX that would only be in the States or outside Europe KTM have dominated the 125/250f class for the last 10 years, Cairoli will win simply because He's the best rider and he happens to be on a KTM.
In the States KTM have been at the pointy end of the Off Road scene with riders David Knight, Taddy and the locals KTM rders. KTM makes and sells models the market wants that's why it's a market leader its come a long way from a bankrupt company in 1992.
Jumping from a XR to a modern bike esp a 2 stroke will take some adapting same would apply to a 250/450f, hopping on and just chugging around wont cut it a modern bike has more latent ability then most riders know how to use.

Yes I agree Taddy Blazusiak makes the energizer bunny look dead, you could put that man on a CT90 and he would look good.

Yes the difference between the DT230 and the Gassa 300 is incredible, the 300 just tows its ass off, every time I think I going to stall, pull the throttle and off it goes, buckets loads of torque from the first bang.

[Trials Rider]

Heard an interesting comment from a gun enduro rider recently, ardent husky user. The euro 2 strokes are more linear & rideable from the bottom through the mid range compared to big top end hit jap bikes. Have to agree too, the husky 250 was a lot more fun to ride than my Kwaka which kept trying to kill me. So euro for technical, jap for balls out?

Interesting, I compared the torque and horsepower curves from my EC300 to my friends Husky TXC510, the Gassa produces its maximum torque at lower rpm and maximum HP at a lower rpm and at these rpms had more torque and more HP than the Husky 4 banger. The Husky did peak at 60HP but at higher RPM

[scott411]

Interesting, I compared the torque and horsepower curves from my EC300 to my friends Husky TXC510, the Gassa produces its maximum torque at lower rpm and maximum HP at a lower rpm and at these rpms had more torque and more HP than the Husky 4 banger. The Husky did peak at 60HP but at higher RPM

that is standard with the 4t, they need to rev to get to the horsepower figures of the 2t's.

[Trials Rider]

that is standard with the 4t, they need to rev to get to the horsepower figures of the 2t's.

I was surprised when I rode the Husky, my Gassa felt much nicer at lower rpm and that confirmed it, I must say the Husky is a nice though, just a bit more suited to open ground rather than technical.

[F5 Dave]

that is standard with the 4t, they need to rev to get to the horsepower figures of the 2t's.
aww, what happened to the stump pulling power of a Foul-stroke & the myth of the peaky two stroke?:lol:

[ktm84mxc]

That all changed when the four bangers went to ultra short stroke motors to allow them to rev high to produce maximum hp and torque.
A modern four banger revs to 12-13000 rpm a 2 stroke of comparable size revs to 7-8000 so peak power will be produced a lot lower in the rev range.

[george formby]

Yes I agree Taddy Blazusiak makes the energizer bunny look dead, you could put that man on a CT90 and he would look good.

Yes the difference between the DT230 and the Gassa 300 is incredible, the 300 just tows its ass off, every time I think I going to stall, pull the throttle and off it goes, buckets loads of torque from the first bang.

Nirvana. A man size trials bike. I can see you costing me more money over time.

[F5 Dave]

I never wanted to sell my EC200, but then I had a ride on my mates EC300 (he'd been impressed riding my 200 previously, but went bigger) so I had to have one too, so we both ended up costing each other money.

[Trials Rider]

aww, what happened to the stump pulling power of a Foul-stroke & the myth of the peaky two stroke?:lol:

Dam good question, the two stroke power valve which should be called torque valve is an amazing piece of technology basically closing down the exhaust port making the piston go down further making the crank turn further before the gasses are let go producing bucket loads of torque but open the throttle and the power valve opens allowing the motor to come on song with the pipe, bloody clever really bottom end torque and top end power. nett result bye bye 4 banger

[Trials Rider]

Nirvana. A man size trials bike. I can see you costing me more money over time.

The Gassa is like riding a trials bike with horse power. Yeah sorry about that but money well spent.

[Jinxycat]

Hey guys :D is there anywere in the AK to have a look at the new gassers?

[ktm84mxc]

Not sure if Red Barron still have some they did a while ago and seem to have stock from the Beckhaus group.

[scott411]

Not sure if Red Barron still have some they did a while ago and seem to have stock from the Beckhaus group.

red baron do not do gas gas, triumph NZ (beckhaus) is the importer, not sure if there is an auckand gas gas dealer,

[ktm84mxc]

IT may be Scott like when Triple X Moto had GasGas it was run out stock , not saying there a full on dealer maybe just clearing stock for the importer.

[Trials Rider]

Hey guys :D is there anywere in the AK to have a look at the new gassers?

Here is the dealer list off the Gas Gas NZ web page

http://www.gasgas.co.nz/dealers.htm



ONLINE MOTORCYCLES

49 PARNELL ROAD
RAWENE, HOKIANGA
t. 09 405 7565
e. theteam@onlinemotorcycles.co.nz


SPECTRUM MOTORCYCLES

51A BARRYS POINT ROAD
TAKAPUNA
t. 09 489 5355
e. smcr@xtra.co.nz

NV MOTORCYCLES

131 THAMES STREET
MORRINSVILLE
t. 07 889 1007
e. nvmotorcycles@xtra.co.nz

NTB RACING

431C TE RAPA ROAD
TE RAPA
HAMILTON
t. 07 850 6020
e. ntbracing@mac.com


GP REDBARON

1/9 MACDONALD STREET
MOUNT MAUNGANUI
t. 07 574 6688
e. sales@gpredbaron.co.nz

WHAKATANE MOTORCYCLES

36 VALLEY ROAD
WHAKATANE
t. 07 308 7656
e. ktm@xtra.co.nz


BAILEY MOTORCYCLES

309 SOUTH ROAD
HAWERA
t. 06 278 4756
e. baileymotorcycles@xtra.co.nz

HOROWHENUA MOTORCYCLES

28 CAMBRIDGE STREET
LEVIN
t. 06 367 0004
e. whenuamc@yahoo.com.au


MOTORAD

47 VIVIAN STREET
WELLINGTON
t. 04 382 8011
e. sales@motorad.co.nz


MARLBOROUGH TRIALS CENTRE

53 GROVE ROAD
BLENHEIM
t. 03 579 2500
e. clipic80@paradise.net.nz


DAS MOTORCYCLE SERVICE

29 SAXON STREET
CHRISTCHURCH
t. 03 389 0080
e. linton@dasmoto.co.nz


MCR

79 CRAWFORD STREET
DUNEDIN
t. 03 477 0366
e. rick@replacements.co.nz


KB MOTORCYCLES

212 BOND STREET
INVERCARGILL
t. 03 214 4838
e. kbpolaris@xtra.co.nz

[scott411]

IT may be Scott like when Triple X Moto had GasGas it was run out stock , not saying there a full on dealer maybe just clearing stock for the importer.

i deal with red baron everyday, they are not gas gas dealers, (or husqavana either) they do the range of euro brand road bikes (but not triumph) that Triumph NZ does,

Spectrum is a Husqavana dealer and is listed as a GAs GAs service centre as well according to this, http://www.gasgas.co.nz/dealers.htm
but i know they do not have any on the floor,

[ktm84mxc]

Just looked on Tardme only new GasGas 4 sale at GP Red Barron in the Nth Isld plenty in the Sth Isld though.

[Jinxycat]

hmmm, would have been nice to have a look at one.

[Trials Rider]

hmmm, would have been nice to have a look at one.

Check this page, see Linton the mad scientist cuddling his new toy, must admit I am a bit jealous of it.

http://dasmoto.co.nz/gas-gas-bikes

And some cool vids, scroll down the page, click on the links, not all Gas Gas but brilliant riding

http://dasmoto.co.nz/trailrides

[noobi]

http://www.enduro360.com/2012/05/13/products-tested/2012-gas-gas-ec300-race-first-test/
http://www.gasgasrider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12571

Closest good gasgas dealer is NV motorcycles in Morrinsville.
Both the above links have videos with some good close ups on the bike. Not the same as seeing it in the flesh though.

[flyingcr250]

Pretty sure NTB racing in hamilton sells gasgas too,

[mattnzl]

That http://www.gasgas.co.nz/ site is a disgrace really. They'd be better to do what KTM have done and just have it re-direct to the aussie site.

[F5 Dave]

most of us go here for info:

http://www.gasgasrider.org/forum/index.php

[george formby]

most of us go here for info:

http://www.gasgasrider.org/forum/index.php

Now, why did i not find that when i was looking at a Pampera. Oh well, next time.

[Pornstar]

Now, why did i not find that when i was looking at a Pampera. Oh well, next time.

looks like it has the new crf rad shrouds and a 4t muffler

[Cary]

Looking to upgrade the KDX200 (rode 250F's 450F's for years till had a dirtbike break)

Choice is 2012 KTM300XC or '12 Gasgas EC300R, Gasgas is a bit cheaper as it should be and am not (too) concerened about resale (lucky for Gasgas!) as this bike will be a long termer.

Rode a '12 300xc and loved it and know the KTM brand/rep well but not sure about Gasgas.....

Will only buy a Gasgas if the buy price is much cheaper than KTM ($1000 minimium)

Still like some up to date opinions?

Cheers.


Check this page, see Linton the mad scientist cuddling his new toy, must admit I am a bit jealous of it.

http://dasmoto.co.nz/gas-gas-bikes

And some cool vids, scroll down the page, click on the links, not all Gas Gas but brilliant riding

http://dasmoto.co.nz/trailrides


most of us go here for info:

http://www.gasgasrider.org/forum/index.php

[takitimu]

Looking to upgrade the KDX200 (rode 250F's 450F's for years till had a dirtbike break)

Choice is 2012 KTM300XC or '12 Gasgas EC300R, Gasgas is a bit cheaper as it should be and am not (too) concerened about resale (lucky for Gasgas!) as this bike will be a long termer.

Rode a '12 300exc and loved it and know the KTM brand/rep well but not sure about Gasgas.....

Will only buy a Gasgas if the buy price is much cheaper than KTM ($1000 minimium)

Still like some up to date opinions?

Cheers.

Easy choice, Ktm, even better the frame on the ktm was significantly improved for 12, just be careful with the e-start.

[noobi]

Looking to upgrade the KDX200 (rode 250F's 450F's for years till had a dirtbike break)

Choice is 2012 KTM300XC or '12 Gasgas EC300R, Gasgas is a bit cheaper as it should be and am not (too) concerened about resale (lucky for Gasgas!) as this bike will be a long termer.

Rode a '12 300xc and loved it and know the KTM brand/rep well but not sure about Gasgas.....

Will only buy a Gasgas if the buy price is much cheaper than KTM ($1000 minimium)

Still like some up to date opinions?

Cheers.

What would you like to know about gasgas' ? I know a bit about them.

How tall are you? and how much do you weigh?

I ask as the KTM is a very tall bike, the gasgas is shorter.
If you're slightly heavier or lighter than the 75kg both of the bikes are stock sprung for, then it will likely need suspension work to get the best out of it. So both bikes may need a fair bit of money spent on the suspension. Its not a necessity, but it will make the bike better.

The gasgas will turn inside the KTM too.
The e start on both bikes is pretty average, its a bit more hit and miss on whether you get a good one from gasgas. It can be made to work excellently, but the design is still an afterthought on both bikes.
The gasgas is heavier, especially the e start version.

[george formby]

The e start on both bikes is pretty average, its a bit more hit and miss on whether you get a good one from gasgas. It can be made to work excellently, but the design is still an afterthought on both bikes.
.

Whats the issue with the leccy foot?
I ask because a guy down the road rebuilt the starter motor on my DT & did an outstanding job. Just about flips the bike over. A previous rebuild from supposedly reputable auto sparkys lasted 6 starts.

[noobi]

Whats the issue with the leccy foot?
I ask because a guy down the road rebuilt the starter motor on my DT & did an outstanding job. Just about flips the bike over. A previous rebuild from supposedly reputable auto sparkys lasted 6 starts.

I imagine the DT was designed with e start in mind, so it is at least parallel with the axis of the engine.
On the KTM and GasGas, e start was an afterthought and a bolt on job. You just have to look at the starter motor placement on both bikes, then compare it with the starter on the Beta 300RR, which was always designed with e start.

The KTM and GasGas both used bendixs which are perpendicular to what they are driving, and are not properly lubricated, and run in cases instead of bearings.
The wet mod helps with e start issues on the KTM.
On the gasgas, sometimes the alignment between the flywheel gear, bendix and starter can be a bit off. Gaskets can be used to shim the alignment of the set up to get a much more positive engagement.
Another mod is to retension the bendix spring for stronger bendix throwout.
Both bikes require regular maintenance of the starters, cleaning and greasing.
Both bikes also benefit from a larger than stock battery, a 5 instead of 4, I think it is.

Also, both e start set ups are re-starters, and should never be used for extended periods of time. Starting them from cold is not recommended.


http://www.motorcyclesgo.com/uploads/posts/ktm/a/ktm25125020559144.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_1smCcx4HvCU/TKM3QB2LcXI/AAAAAAAAG_A/pKhgdSqVgCE/s800/gas%20gasec11es2.jpg

[F5 Dave]

Sounds like you've decided you don't want a gasser so don't buy one. I'd take mine over any ktm I've ridden but it's your money.

[Cary]

What would you like to know about gasgas' ? I know a bit about them.

How tall are you? and how much do you weigh?

I ask as the KTM is a very tall bike, the gasgas is shorter.
If you're slightly heavier or lighter than the 75kg both of the bikes are stock sprung for, then it will likely need suspension work to get the best out of it. So both bikes may need a fair bit of money spent on the suspension. Its not a necessity, but it will make the bike better.

The gasgas will turn inside the KTM too.
The e start on both bikes is pretty average, its a bit more hit and miss on whether you get a good one from gasgas. It can be made to work excellently, but the design is still an afterthought on both bikes.
The gasgas is heavier, especially the e start version.6'1" 120kg

Just what they are like compaired to the ktm, the only issue i have with the GG is it's poor resale value, have heard good things about them.


Sounds like you've decided you don't want a gasser so don't buy one. I'd take mine over any ktm I've ridden but it's your money.Not talking to me i hope.......

[noobi]

6'1" 120kg

Just what they are like compaired to the ktm, the only issue i have with the GG is it's poor resale value, have heard good things about them.

Not talking to me i hope.......

I've had and maintained 2 gasgas', and 3 KTMs, for reference. Im also short and lightweight, 5' 7'', 70kg.

So on either bike you're going to want to at the least respring the suspension ~$500, at the most, revalve + respring ~$1000.
Suspension is something quite a few people over look, and makes a greater difference than an exhaust or graphics.

The GasGas needs a bit more initial 'sorting' than the KTM does, but once that is done, it is just as reliable and resilient.
The GasGas is a more neutral chassis than the KTM, after riding my KTM for ~9 months, I'm still not entirely happy with how the KTM chassis handles. More of a steer from the rear arrangement. The GasGas is point and go, lots of people describe it as 'oversteery', not true, their previous bike was just slow steering.
Both of the engines are pretty much bullet proof, 100 hours on a top end easily. Run a clean airfilter, good oil, and enjoy not having to check valves.
The GasGas engine is over engineered, in that it has massive cooling jackets and heavy cases. Therefore, it is a heavier bike, not even going to attempt to get around that one.


Anything else, feel free to ask.

F5Dave is probably referring to the fact that most people dismiss GasGas because they have never seen/heard/ridden one of them and buy a KTM because all their mates have one. I think your comment about the GasGas being rightly cheaper prompted that comment.

[Cary]

Cheers Noobi,
I know if i buy the ktm for 9k, in two years time +60-80 hrs say it gonna be worth 7k give or take, the gg at say 8k in the same time maybe 4 - 4.5....
I base that on my perseption of the gg resale over the past 15yrs i've been dirt riding. Not saying there is anything wrong with them. Same could be said for ktm's 15year ago....

I like the look of both bikes, and your comments on the gg's engine, if the price is right one could be in my shed soon.

Oh yeah, when u weight 120kg a slightly heavier bike don't make a lot of differance!

Consider myself a fast trailrider, done the racing thing and only interested in the fun side if riding these days.

[BoristheBiter]

Ok so why not the Husky WR300?

[takitimu]

Ok so why not the Husky WR300?

No e-start, no ongoing confirmed support in NZ going into 2014 ( Something like confirmed to april but not confirmed past there ).

If you're going there, be better to go YZ250 with a flywheel is my take, which to be fair is what I'd suggest anyway, lighter, better support ( ok ktm support is pretty damn good, but yamaha is better ), spare parts for africa ( been the same bike for god knows how many years ) the only real -ve is the plastic design is looking kinda old now.

[BoristheBiter]

No e-start, no ongoing confirmed support in NZ going into 2014 ( Something like confirmed to april but not confirmed past there ).

If you're going there, be better to go YZ250 with a flywheel is my take, which to be fair is what I'd suggest anyway, lighter, better support ( ok ktm support is pretty damn good, but yamaha is better ), spare parts for africa ( been the same bike for god knows how many years ) the only real -ve is the plastic design is looking kinda old now.

I wasn't, just curious on what the thoughts on them were.

On a side note why is no one, other that ktm, looking at a smaller sized bike i.e. freeride?

[takitimu]

I wasn't, just curious on what the thoughts on them were.

On a side note why is no one, other that ktm, looking at a smaller sized bike i.e. freeride?

Wr300, it's not a bad bike, but for Euro ktm/gasser better and for kick only yz better, that's my take anyway, i prefer 4/ though ;)

I am with you, it's odd that more smaller performance bikes don't exist, maybe the emergence of more women riders will help, but you do get the feeling the Japanese are giving ktm alot of rope, maybe hoping that ktm will expose market segments they can exploit.

[oldskool]

I wasn't, just curious on what the thoughts on them were.

On a side note why is no one, other that ktm, looking at a smaller sized bike i.e. freeride?

I am, it's bloody awesome. 250R. Best bike I've ridden in the trees hands down.

[Cary]

291593

Went with a 2012 KTM300XC. 37hrs

As usual, once the new bike bug bit i was in a hurry to get one. Only 1 gasser around and was a little rough for the price being asked.

First ride 2moro so hoping the worst of rain holds off.

Cheers.

[george formby]

Wr300, it's not a bad bike, but for Euro ktm/gasser better and for kick only yz better, that's my take anyway, i prefer 4/ though ;)

I am with you, it's odd that more smaller performance bikes don't exist, maybe the emergence of more women riders will help, but you do get the feeling the Japanese are giving ktm alot of rope, maybe hoping that ktm will expose market segments they can exploit.

Ossa & Sherco make trail bikes. Good un's too. GG used to do the Pampera.

Wid a bit of luck as the market niche grows we will get the 21st century equivalent of KMX, DT, RMX, CRM etc. Or more road legal / trail bikes evolved from trials bikes.