Them little rubber bits on new tyres

[Akzle]

i think i should be able to clean them off.. but...
they're very close to the point where the bike goes for a ride without me.
or will the tyre deform to grip more as i'm going round a corner.. is that wishful thinking?
this is still <2 months on this bike and i'm tu-tu-ing with the carbs.. (was hanging idle, crap clutch, filthy sprocket cover/chain etc) but i think i've got it mechanically sweet. it's getting a birthday next week (plugs, oil, filtre...)
so all-in i think it's fairly consistent and i've fairly well got the hang of it from that side of things..

but... advices from tyre gurus?

[Subike]

those the "chicken strips" I believe.
But that is all I will comment on them...
I will now sit back and listen to the advice on how to remove them the "right" way

[Madness]

264428

Always wear proper safety equipment when using power tools.

[Geeen]

Ignore them, they aren't hurting anything.

[sinfull]

Jeeeze mate ya wanna snip them off with some side cutters or one day they'll have you off !

[tigertim20]

to answer both your questions.
Yes tyres deform when being ridden reasonably hard, that is something accounted for in the design and construction process.

dont worry about them. when (if) you get to the point where you push the bike and start to get bigger lean, they will go away on their own.
They arent hurting you, dont worry about them, just get out there and enjoy the ride

[nzspokes]

I would be more concerned with cleaning the rest of the bike. Been off roading?

[jonbuoy]

those the "chicken strips" I believe.
But that is all I will comment on them...
I will now sit back and listen to the advice on how to remove them the "right" way

Safety stripes :whistle:

[SMOKEU]

Always wear proper safety equipment when using power tools.

Where's the fun in that? Safety equipment is for n00bs who fail IRL.

[Akzle]

I would be more concerned with cleaning the rest of the bike. Been off roading?no, i live on gravel (pic was at the stop, top of 16 south of warkworth). i can polish the thing and by the time i'm at the end of my road it looks pretty much like that.
i'm oiling the chain after pretty much every ride >< (most of my rides are ~2-300km)


to answer both your questions.
Yes tyres deform when being ridden reasonably hard, that is something accounted for in the design and construction process.

dont worry about them. when (if) you get to the point where you push the bike and start to get bigger lean, they will go away on their own.
They arent hurting you, dont worry about them, just get out there and enjoy the rideyeah this was what i wanted to check...
i'm not worried (about them) and do enjoy my rides. i've said before - my bike has bigger balls than me, it feel like i'm leaning fair hard, but i need to shake my 'ffroading habits (sitting up and putting a foot forward ><)

and another thing, i might start a new thread.. but leaning. i always thunk you could lean with, over or opposite.. apparently opposite is a no-go with sports riding...

[tigertim20]

no, i live on gravel (pic was at the stop, top of 16 south of warkworth). i can polish the thing and by the time i'm at the end of my road it looks pretty much like that.
i'm oiling the chain after pretty much every ride >< (most of my rides are ~2-300km)

yeah this was what i wanted to check...
i'm not worried (about them) and do enjoy my rides. i've said before - my bike has bigger balls than me, it feel like i'm leaning fair hard, but i need to shake my 'ffroading habits (sitting up and putting a foot forward ><)

and another thing, i might start a new thread.. but leaning. i always thunk you could lean with, over or opposite.. apparently opposite is a no-go with sports riding...



yep, an easy way to look at it is, imagine a line down the centre of your bike, starting from the nut in the middle of your top triple clamp, going all the way back. if you lean towards the outside (or high side) of that line while cornering, youre doing it wrong.
You dont have to hang off the inside of the bike, its acceptable to sit up inline with the bike, just dont lean to the right when turning left and vice versa.

[unstuck]

Get the arse hanging out round a few roundabouts, that will take em off quick.:headbang:

[tnarg]

It looks like you missing the nut on the foot peg bolt. Could be wrong though, just looks that way.

[neels]

They'll fall of by themselves after a while.

If you can get far enough over to be wearing the little rubber bits off, I suspect you'd be wearing other bits off as well.

Don't think too much about leaning around corners, just look where you want to go, the rest will follow.

[sinfull]

Not much of a chicken strip there man, you will only get yourself in strife trying to scrub them of on the road, track maybe but even then some bikes just wont without a hell of a lot of set up for the track !
Looking at your tyre it don't look like the type i'd be trying to get right over, could be quite a hard compound and to put it right on the edge would be pushing boundaries !

[p.dath]

..., it feel like i'm leaning fair hard...

Here s a little physchological exercise you can do. Wait till you are on tar seal. Then get some chalk and draw a line across your tyre. Then go do your normal riding.

The chalk comes off wherever you used the tyre. If you are leaning hard, most of the chalk will go.

It's a physchological that sets your internal "how much am I leaning" sensor with how far you are actually leaning.

[nzspokes]

Here s a little physchological exercise you can do. Wait till you are on tar seal. Then get some chalk and draw a line across your tyre. Then go do your normal riding.

The chalk comes off wherever you used the tyre. If you are leaning hard, most of the chalk will go.

It's a physchological that sets your internal "how much am I leaning" sensor with how far you are actually leaning.

How did that work out at Nass? I had been thinking about doing it at Sass.

[Akzle]

It looks like you missing the nut on the foot peg bolt. Could be wrong though, just looks that way.f*en right. cheers, good spotting. hadn't thunk about it because it's the peg on the other side that's loose... so either the ally is threaded too or all the gaps are filled with dust ><


They'll fall of by themselves after a while.

If you can get far enough over to be wearing the little rubber bits off, I suspect you'd be wearing other bits off as well.

Don't think too much about leaning around corners, just look where you want to go, the rest will follow.that's whys i wanted to know if the tyre was/should be deforming as well.. i havent tweaked suspension set up since i've had it so that's on my list this week coming, too. i'm certainly not a knee-down kinda guy (nor is the bike)...


Not much of a chicken strip there man, you will only get yourself in strife trying to scrub them of on the road, track maybe but even then some bikes just wont without a hell of a lot of set up for the track !
Looking at your tyre it don't look like the type i'd be trying to get right over, could be quite a hard compound and to put it right on the edge would be pushing boundaries !it's a dual compound (battlax) and feels good and grippy whence warm, from memory it's a 120 pinched over onto a 3.5" rim... (someone else did the tyres and i didn't pay too much attention)


Here s a little physchological exercise you can do. Wait till you are on tar seal. Then get some chalk and draw a line across your tyre. Then go do your normal riding.

The chalk comes off wherever you used the tyre. If you are leaning hard, most of the chalk will go.

It's a physchological that sets your internal "how much am I leaning" sensor with how far you are actually leaning. will do.. although i think the clean bit of the tyre is a fair indication.. TBA.


-- cheers all, guys. good to get know-what from older heads on wiser?... well, at least older.. shoulders.

[sinfull]

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it's a dual compound (battlax) and feels good and grippy whence warm, from memory it's a 120 pinched over onto a 3.5" rim... (someone else did the tyres and i didn't pay too much attention)

Here's an excersize Put ya fingertips together forming the shape of a tyre ! Start with your palms together and then open yr palms to 3.5 inches !

Spoon a big tyre onto a small rim will egual more arc and more chicken strip !
A small tyre onto a large rim equals less arc and less chook strip but also less contact patch and grip !

Have a look at ya front tyre chook strip and then decide if you want to lean over any further ! sounds to me there is a good chance the tyre geometry may not be a match

[Kickaha]

Looking at your tyre it don't look like the type i'd be trying to get right over, could be quite a hard compound and to put it right on the edge would be pushing boundaries !Nah, I've raced bikes on them, they're probably one of the best old school tyres around and pretty predictable on the limit

it's a dual compound (battlax) and feels good and grippy whence warm, from memory it's a 120 pinched over onto a 3.5" rim...
3.5 would if anything be getting to wide a wheel for a 120 wide tyre (depending on profile)

[MSTRS]

it's a dual compound (battlax) and feels good and grippy whence warm, from memory it's a 120 pinched over onto a 3.5" rim... (someone else did the tyres and i didn't pay too much attention)


Looks like a BT45 = great tyre. BUT FFS - get one the RIGHT SIZE !!! See here (http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/suzuki_gsx_750_f_1989.php)

[p.dath]

How did that work out at Nass? I had been thinking about doing it at Sass.

I think it went ok. It's not a pass/fail exercise, or something you can do differently. It just helps set internal view of your riding with reality.

In my own case, I didn't think I was leaning over very much at all. However I removed most of the chalk. So in my case, I need to start using my body a bit more.


I did a "coffee bean" exercise last time. With this exercise you get the riders to hold a coffee bean between their teeth. When a rider gets tense one of the first things they tense up (apparently) is their mouth. Some riders think they are riding relaxed, but their body doesn't agree. In this case, they bite into/through the coffee bean. It's other one of the exercises to help the brain "see" what is really happening, as opposed to what it thinks is happening or what it would like to happen.

And for super advanced riders, you're mean to be able to do the coffee bean exercise but with a garden pea.


I've started trying some of these exercises on our NASS ride before doing car park skills. The brain so often messes up our riding, and some of it is because our preception of what's happening and reality are a "little" bit different.

[Akzle]

Looks like a BT45 = great tyre. BUT FFS - get one the RIGHT SIZE !!! See here (http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/suzuki_gsx_750_f_1989.php)i don't think you're wrong. and it are bt45
the tyre that was on before ( a sport demon.?)
the numbers in my head (never reliable) old tyre: 110/90 new rear 120/80? it might be a 3" rim.

...whatever. it rides well.

front tyre has wider strips than rear i think. i did it think odd because max lean is generally dictated by front tyre not rear so the tyre geometry comment may be about right. (the tyre guy sounded like he knew what he was on about)
but yeah. rides well, so these tyres will do for the next Xthou km.

bike tyres are a new field for me so i'm learnering.

[MSTRS]

...
the numbers in my head (never reliable) old tyre: 110/90 new rear 120/80? it might be a 3" rim.
Often you can find the rim size cast on one of the 'spokes'. But the link I provided states 1989 GSX750 (as it says on your profile) uses a 150 tyre.


...
...whatever. it rides well.

Trust me (and others) who tell you that a tyre TOO small (or too big) WILL NOT have your bike riding well. A rim designed for a 150 tyre will be happy enough with a 140 or a 160. But yours is 30 points under...



... so i'm learnering.
Never too late eh?

[Akzle]

Often you can find the rim size cast on one of the 'spokes'. But the link I provided states 1989 GSX750 (as it says on your profile) uses a 150 tyre.


Trust me (and others) who tell you that a tyre TOO small (or too big) WILL NOT have your bike riding well. A rim designed for a 150 tyre will be happy enough with a 140 or a 160. But yours is 30 points under...


Never too late eh?
never too late. i aim only to move foreward.

rim size is non standard (or, it is standard, but not for the bike... something(it's es-d spec?))
this is basically the biggest tyre that will fit on it with any kind of swing-arm clearance. (<10mm) i've faith that the tyre is the right size/ slightly wider than the right size.) and it feels good on the bike.
i want more weight forward.. tank bag or pannies or something (probably f*ck all compared to the damned engine)
but yea.. as said.. i'm a dirt rider by habit and this bike isn't a sports-sports (i've ridden various of my mates' sports models and my old ones), and it's not a dual, and if it's a 'tourer' it's the first i've ridden...
it's 84 ponies (advertised) and 230 odd KG before my fat ass and gear, as said, i'm learning it, and since i can't afford another one i need to learn it rather than just go and buy a bike that rides how i expect/want it to...

all good fun. =)

[nzspokes]

I think it went ok. It's not a pass/fail exercise, or something you can do differently. It just helps set internal view of your riding with reality.

In my own case, I didn't think I was leaning over very much at all. However I removed most of the chalk. So in my case, I need to start using my body a bit more.


I did a "coffee bean" exercise last time. With this exercise you get the riders to hold a coffee bean between their teeth. When a rider gets tense one of the first things they tense up (apparently) is their mouth. Some riders think they are riding relaxed, but their body doesn't agree. In this case, they bite into/through the coffee bean. It's other one of the exercises to help the brain "see" what is really happening, as opposed to what it thinks is happening or what it would like to happen.

And for super advanced riders, you're mean to be able to do the coffee bean exercise but with a garden pea.


I've started trying some of these exercises on our NASS ride before doing car park skills. The brain so often messes up our riding, and some of it is because our preception of what's happening and reality are a "little" bit different.

Cheers. I may do that on the next one. I just moved up to a big boy bike with a fresh tyre, I didnt think I was leaning much as im new to it but my chicken strip is only a few mm.

Like the coffe bean idea.

[Mom]

Looking at your tyre it don't look like the type i'd be trying to get right over, could be quite a hard compound and to put it right on the edge would be pushing boundaries !

Stop talking sense man and get stuck in, he needs to corner far harder and wear those suckers off :dodge:


On a much more serious note though, if they really worry you, though why they would is beyond me, snip them off withe a pair of scissors or razor them off with your lady shaver like I do :innocent:

[Ender EnZed]

Looks like a BT45 = great tyre. BUT FFS - get one the RIGHT SIZE !!! See here (http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/suzuki_gsx_750_f_1989.php)

I think he's got one of these (http://www.motorcyclesdetails.info/Suzuki_GSX_750_ES_1988.html), rather than an F.

[sinfull]

And for super advanced riders, you're mean Am not !


some of it is because our preception of what's happening and reality are a "little" bit different. You should stop drinking and posting, you're getting way ahead of yourself !

[Kornholio]

Well for starters, your 'GSX' needs an 'R' in it...

[Akzle]

Well for starters, your 'GSX' needs an 'R' in it...
funny guy. funny guy.
but then i might be mistaken for some awesome gimp-suit rider type.

[Kornholio]

funny guy. funny guy.
but then i might be mistaken for some awesome gimp-suit rider type.

Ha, you wish :spanking:

[MSTRS]

I think he's got one of these (http://www.motorcyclesdetails.info/Suzuki_GSX_750_ES_1988.html), rather than an F.

Looks like you are right. That means his tyre size of 120 is right. That said, it is an old heavy bike that was designed to cover a lot of bases. Getting right to the edge of the rear tyre is likely to be a tall order. As for getting the front right over...DON"T.

[Akzle]

well. whoever suggested i might scrape something for leaning harder was right. brake pawl and right foot got a rub on the over-90deg corner at the top of helensville... bike didn't want to skid or fall though. so i'm guessing the tyres still had some left.... nice to know.