Lock wire pliers, Where to buy?

[RDjase]

Whats is a good set set of lock wire pliers to buy and who sells them?

Only want to buy once and not get a cheap junky throw away item.

What wire size is the best to use also?

Thanks in advance:niceone:

[Pussy]

The Milbar brand is very good. Ask any local aviation maintenance outfit, Jase. They should be able to steer you in the right direction as to a local supplier.

[Kickaha]

and who sells them? The lockwire plier shop?

What wire size is the best to use also? The size that fits through the hole you have drilled is always good :whistle:

You can get them off TM for $75+ dunno how you'd tell the quality though

[schrodingers cat]

Try Cardwells. Online shopping and all. If they haven't got them I'm sure they'd point you in the right direction
0.040" (Forty thou) is a good 'do most things' size

[Pussy]

40 thou would be an overkill. 25 or 32 is heaps.

[Akzle]

just use normal linesman's or end nippers...

we had some awesome thing-a-mee at the concrete place i worked at (for tying the re-enforcing steel etc).. no idea where it came from though.

srsly.. why the need to spend monies?

[Kickaha]

40 thou would be an overkill.
I think he's building a fence

why the need to spend monies?
Faster and easier are two reasons that come to mind (yes I have done it both ways)

[oscarnz]

Whats is a good set set of lock wire pliers to buy and who sells them?

Only want to buy once and not get a cheap junky throw away item.

What wire size is the best to use also?

Thanks in advance:niceone:

Pauly said you need to find a local bike shop that has an account with Eurobike as they sell them, and they are good quality.

[Motu]

I have a cheap and simple tool for lock wire - a small crankhandle with two holes in the end. Put the wire in the holes and turn the handle, perfect lock wire every time. Got it on sale a few decades ago, I see no need for the fancy tool.

[rustys]

RDjase
i have some on back order with Northern Accessories, will get a set for you if you want, using .032 ss wire, which i can also get, see you next Saturday at Manfield.

[SWERVE]

Toledo is a good brand that is sold by most tool shops/suppliers. Around $50.00 usually. Agree .32 or .25 is good. .25 is better for hand grips as it is easier to form around bar and easier to push the twisted end into the rubber grip (cos those ends make a mess of gloves)

[Rodger96]

Torpedo7 there cheap as chips and are made in the same factory as my $125 ones!

[roadracingoldfart]

40 thou would be an overkill. 25 or 32 is heaps.

Stop talking in dirty imperial you old coot.


I think he's building a fence



To keep everone out by chance ???

[Pussy]

Stop talking in dirty imperial you old coot.





Hey, peckerhead.... everything in aviation is imperial...

[quickbuck]

Jase,
I will give you a few lessons on how to lock-wire, to save some bucks....

But, as said, Milbar is a good brand.
Most failers are where the clip locks the pliers together, so that is where you look for the quality.

Also, as not many have noticed, I think you are talking size of pliers. There are 2 sizes, the small ones will do 32 thou wie at a push, but it is a little hard on them.
Go for the larger set, as there are very little access issues in a bike (compaired to a Jet).

See you Saturday, and you can borrow mine if need be.

[quickbuck]

Hey, peckerhead.... everything in aviation is imperial...

Except Aermacchi MB339CB's, AW109's and NH90's and that is just aircraft in the RNZAF in recent times.... ;-)

But yes, we have to convert the boys to feet and inches. Amazing how quick they learn whe you put the tool board further away

[Pussy]

Except Aermacchi MB339CB's, AW109's and NH90's and that is just aircraft in the RNZAF in recent times.... ;-)

But yes, we have to convert the boys to feet and inches. Amazing how quick they learn whe you put the tool board further away
And the Walter engine I flew about 8000 hours behind. Imperial is the RECOGNISED unit of measure in aviation, then!

[Scruffygit]

Imperial is the RECOGNISED unit of measure in aviation, then!

Was and still is if the US has anything to do with it. If its got a European input, namely French :tugger: or German, then it's metric.

Of course it gets really fun when you get a European airframe with US engines :brick:

Lock pliers are the easy way but you can do just as good a job with your hands and a pair of ordinary pliers. If you want a simple tool for getting into the hard to reach places get an old screwdriver, cut the tip off and drill two holes just large enough for your wire at an angle through the end. Thread the wire through the holes, slide the tool up the wire to where you want the twists to end, hold a bit of tension on the loose ends to stop the wire from slipping through and twist away.

Has the benefit of not marking the wire, reducing the risk of it breaking after you have sweated buckets and ripped your hands apart getting a nice bit of chain locking done. :crybaby: DAMHIKIJKOK.

[Pussy]

I don't think you'll have much joy finding metric measured lockwire.....

[Scruffygit]

I don't think you'll have much joy finding metric measured lockwire.....

Here or the US I agree but it's common in Europe.

Naff all difference really, shall I use 0.8mm (0.0315") or 0.032"? You going to measure it?

[roadracingoldfart]

Hey, peckerhead.... everything in aviation is imperial...

Dont call me your mothers son

[Pussy]

Here or the US I agree but it's common in Europe.

Naff all difference really, shall I use 0.8mm (0.0315") or 0.032"? You going to measure it?

.025 is adequate. Lockwire isn't actually supposed to be the fastener!

[quickbuck]

.025 is adequate. Lockwire isn't actually supposed to be the fastener!

There is not much chance of that on most examples I have seen on race bikes......
But yeah, it this marely there in case the torque comes off the fastner, and it starts to come out (I realise you know this pussy, that is for the benifit for those that don't).

I do have some 0.040" in the tool box, but that is used for many other things, and not often wire locking....
You can twist it togther and it maikes an awesome pick to get the stupid lint filter out of the middle of the agitator of the washing machine....

[Scruffygit]

.025 is adequate.

Bikes or aircraft?

Bikes - happy to agree, aircraft - diameter and type to be used is fairly rigidly controlled dependant on the application.

Then again this is a bike forum so I guess I've just answered my own question.

[quickbuck]

Bikes or aircraft?

Bikes - happy to agree, aircraft - diameter and type to be used is fairly rigidly controlled dependant on the application.

Then again this is a bike forum so I guess I've just answered my own question.
You're right, you have answered your own question... and it is a bike forum ;)

Aircraft, it is as specified in the relevant maintenance Manual.
It ranges from 0.020", 0.032" to 0.040" on the Iroquois, and all other American Aircraft...
It was the Brits, and their fantastic (sic) Rolls Royce Viper where I first saw 0.025" used.

It is probably more common in other applications... that I have had seen (only really worked on 6 Aircraft types myself).... I can imagine it is the new 0.032" for most lighter aircraft....

[RDjase]

Torpedo7 there cheap as chips and are made in the same factory as my $125 ones!

Like these?

http://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/T7TO4N0PW/title/torpedo7-safety-wire-plier---wire-combo

[RDjase]

I don't think you'll have much joy finding metric measured lockwire.....

Might be hard to get........:msn-wink:

http://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/T7TO4N0SL/title/torpedo7-safety-lock-wire-stainless-steel--0-7mm-x-8m-

Dam fangled metric, its just a fad and it will never catch on

The gearbox plug has a 1.5mm hole, was going to drill it 1/16 to make it imperial, then I noticed it said 500ml oil for the gearbox, Bugger.............................I got around that tho, I filled it with 53/64 of a pint

[Pussy]

My aircraft engineering experience is limited to various light aircraft (mostly Cessnas and Pipers), lots on the FU 24, Metroliner and Saab 340. Every piece of aviation sourced lockwire I have used on these machines has been imperial measured. I would say it will be many years before imperial is phased out on aircraft.
As far as pliers go.... get some Milbar ones. Will last a lifetime.

[nsrpaul]

torpedo 7, cheap as and they work mint

[Scruffygit]

You're right, you have answered your own question... and it is a bike forum ;)

Aircraft, it is as specified in the relevant maintenance Manual.

Or AC 43-13B if not specified, ie most GA puddle jumpers.



It ranges from 0.020", 0.032" to 0.040" on the Iroquois, and all other American Aircraft...

0.060" on the Chinook Jesus nuts and vertical hinge pin nuts.



It was the Brits, and their fantastic (sic) Rolls Royce Viper where I first saw 0.025" used.

:Oi:, I resemble that comment. Specified as standard? The PT6 for me, everything else has been 0.032" as the default



I can imagine it is the new 0.032" for most lighter aircraft....

New? Didn't know it had changed (not being sarcastic, genuinely interested if it has). Was using it 35 years ago on Phantoms, still using it today on CV580s. Wouldn't call either of them light.


Right, I'm being a sad git and boring myself now. EndEx. :beer:

[Scruffygit]

then I noticed it said 500ml oil for the gearbox, Bugger.............................I got around that tho, I filled it with 53/64 of a pint

US or Imperial?

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I'll get my coat.

[SWERVE]

Pints or Quarts............... should see the thread go for another few pages:sleep:

[Robert Taylor]

Choice 1 Millbar

Choice 2 Millbar

Choice 3 Millbar

They are all about quality and longevity, that doesnt go hand in hand with cheap. Ive had my set for decades and they have done a LOT of work.