Justice?

[awa355]

Can you believe this??:mad::mad: Well being NZ I guess I shouldn't be suprised.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7066701/Career-criminal-gets-year-off-sentence

[wharekura]

I see our liberal laws and do wonder, then again i see youtube clips of stoning of women because they slept around, or men punished because they share a bed. Because the cane and strap was out in my time (1970's and 1980's) does not mean I want my kids to have the same.

But then again, if I got a fine for speeding on my really fast Hyosung GV250 and I had the option of paying a large fine or getting whacked across the back with the cane - I would opt for the cane. They do caning in malay or some place like this to this day.

I find those Islamic countries really harsh.

[Road kill]

I see our liberal laws and do wonder, then again i see youtube clips of stoning of women because they slept around, or men punished because they share a bed. Because the cane and strap was out in my time (1970's and 1980's) does not mean I want my kids to have the same.

But then again, if I got a fine for speeding on my really fast Hyosung GV250 and I had the option of paying a large fine or getting whacked across the back with the cane - I would opt for the cane. They do caning in malay or some place like this to this day.

I find those Islamic countries really harsh.

You'd only do that once mate.
It's not a cane as we know it,it's a Ratan and will cut you to the bone.
People die from half a dozen stokes.
Those Islamic types go over the top a bit with their stoning to death stuff,,,but chopping thieves hands off has a certain appeal I reckon.

[unstuck]

Give me the fucking money, PLEASE.:killingme:killingme:killingme

[FJRider]

But then again, if I got a fine for speeding on my really fast Hyosung GV250 and I had the option of paying a large fine or getting whacked across the back with the cane - I would opt for the cane. They do caning in malay or some place like this to this day.

I find those Islamic countries really harsh.

Having seen "The Cane" being administered in Singapore ... I can assure you ... you DON'T want the cane. Hospital attention is usually required after the sentence has been carried out. Sometimes the punishment is halted before the full sentence is completed ... to give time for the recipient time to recover before the remainder of the sentence is applied.

[wharekura]

...Hospital attention is usually required after the sentence has been carried out. Sometimes the punishment is halted before the full sentence is completed ...
fk - i think id happily pay the fine.

[FJRider]

fk - i think id happily pay the fine.

And on the subject of fines in those countries ... you pay the fines before you leave court.

Or ... it's off to jail untill the fine is paid.

A simple system ... but it seems to work.

[Road kill]

And on the subject of fines in those countries ... you pay the fines before you leave court.

Or ... it's off to jail untill the fine is paid.

A simple system ... but it seems to work.

Used to be like that here as well.
You had a set time to pay fines then if you didn't cough you did it inside at $25 per day.
I think it stopped around 74-75 as it cost more to keep people in jail than the fines were worth.
Bread an water could of kept the costs down I reckon,but around the same time we also started getting the Clarke generation running the place,an it's been all down hill ever since.
:rolleyes:

[98tls]

Having seen "The Cane" being administered in Singapore ... I can assure you ... you DON'T want the cane. Hospital attention is usually required after the sentence has been carried out. Sometimes the punishment is halted before the full sentence is completed ... to give time for the recipient time to recover before the remainder of the sentence is applied.

Well i dont really want some dickhead raping my grandmother either so hey if it works then lets go with it,fuck theres plenty out there id be more than happy to do the administering to.Then again far to simple for NZ,imagine that a justice system that actually administers Justice:weird:

[FJRider]

Well i dont really want some dickhead raping my grandmother either so hey if it works then lets go with it,fuck theres plenty out there id be more than happy to do the administering to.Then again far to simple for NZ,imagine that a justice system that actually administers Justice:weird:

14 strokes of the cane makes walking difficult (understatement) for a week. The cane is always included with jail time ... so it gives them time to recover a bit before release. It also seems to put them off their food a bit too ... win win all round ... (cuts jail costs down)

[superman]

If you read what the entire article states a sentence of 14 months for this man is perfectly adequate for demanding money in a 'commanding tone' while in a drunken stupor, when he's obviously sick with addiction.

Extra time in jail would do nothing but cost the state more money, he obviously wouldn't learn anything more due to his many stints in prison. What he needs is a full blown rehabilitation with monitoring.

[Indiana_Jones]

Wait....he walked into a bank and asked for/demanded money.....and they just handed it over?.......lol Tim Roth in Pulp Fiction was right :lol:

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-Indy

[Asher]

fk - i think id happily pay the fine.

Substitute the cane for a jug cord and it will be a trip down memory lane for most

[Akzle]

Substitute the cane for a jug cord and it will be a trip down memory lane for most:weep:

i'm all for it. the present "justice" system is f*cked.

presumed guilty until you can prove yourself innocent. no shit.

crime pays in NZ, and until that is not the case, crime will continue.
i'm all for crims having things removed from them (hands, balls etc)
but the laws need to suit. i don't want to be shot for travelling 160km/h, i do want the guy that stole my last bike to have an arm off. (cops never caught him, never found the bike, and frankly, didn't give too much of a shit. if i had some weed lying on the bench they would drag ME to court. fair? *roll tui ad)

but the worst crims wear suits. they work at a place called "parliament" and rob the whole country blind with no recourse...

[flyingcrocodile46]

If you read what the entire article states a sentence of 14 months for this man is perfectly adequate for demanding money in a 'commanding tone' while in a drunken stupor, when he's obviously sick with addiction.

Extra time in jail would do nothing but cost the state more money, he obviously wouldn't learn anything more due to his many stints in prison. What he needs is a full blown rehabilitation with monitoring.

Yeah. Pretty much the conclusion I came to when I read it last night. It appears that alchohol fucks him up more than the average person and that when off it he behaves. Even has good manners (respectful nature) when shit faced.

[beefhookeed]

:weep:

i'm all for it. the present "justice" system is f*cked.

presumed guilty until you can prove yourself innocent. no shit.

crime pays in NZ, and until that is not the case, crime will continue.
i'm all for crims having things removed from them (hands, balls etc)
but the laws need to suit. i don't want to be shot for travelling 160km/h, i do want the guy that stole my last bike to have an arm off. (cops never caught him, never found the bike, and frankly, didn't give too much of a shit. if i had some weed lying on the bench they would drag ME to court. fair? *roll tui ad)

but the worst crims wear suits. they work at a place called "parliament" and rob the whole country blind with no recourse...

Last time I had my car stolen, I tracked in within three days, identified the thief and gave the police an address where the "plated" car would be. 12 months later I ask wasup? an get told that the car is a differrent colour than the one reported stolen...so they had'nt recovered it!

Ended up getting back a trashed car 14 & having to pay the towy for storage.

There is some interesting comentary on the justice system at kiwisfirst.com (http://www.kiwisfirst.com) and nzjustice.com (http://www.newzealandjustice.com)

[jasonu]

If you read what the entire article states a sentence of 14 months for this man is perfectly adequate for demanding money in a 'commanding tone' while in a drunken stupor, when he's obviously sick with addiction.

Extra time in jail would do nothing but cost the state more money, he obviously wouldn't learn anything more due to his many stints in prison. What he needs is shooting.

That is a more appropriate solution.

[Road kill]

:weep:

i'm all for it. the present "justice" system is f*cked.

presumed guilty until you can prove yourself innocent. no shit.

crime pays in NZ, and until that is not the case, crime will continue.
i'm all for crims having things removed from them (hands, balls etc)
but the laws need to suit. i don't want to be shot for travelling 160km/h, i do want the guy that stole my last bike to have an arm off. (cops never caught him, never found the bike, and frankly, didn't give too much of a shit. if i had some weed lying on the bench they would drag ME to court. fair? *roll tui ad)

but the worst crims wear suits. they work at a place called "parliament" and rob the whole country blind with no recourse...

You forgot to point out their practically all whites as well,and even the brown ones arn't really brown unless their 100% brown accoarding to some on this site.
So you honkies are a real pack of arseholes huh,,,even rip off your own while you shit on the semi brown guy.
Fuck mate,,,just who would you trust:lol::lol::lol:

[Indiana_Jones]

My Daddy was a bankrobber, but he never hurt nobody. He just loved to live that way and he loved to steal your money.

-Indy

[98tls]

and even the brown ones arn't really brown unless their 100% brown accoarding to some on this site. I have some brown hairs on my bottom does that mean i am entilted to something or did i just not wipe my arse properly?

[superman]

That is a more appropriate solution.

Yes, the best thing for the State to do would be to take away a mans life for stealing. :eek: HURRAY FOR DARK AGES STYLE PUNISHMENTS!

[jasonu]

Yes, the best thing for the State to do would be to take away a mans life for stealing. :eek: HURRAY FOR DARK AGES STYLE PUNISHMENTS!

But this is far from his first offense. He is a 'career criminal with 170 convictions' No amount of tree hugging sandel and sock wearing touchy feely rehabilitation will change him. Putting him in jail costs the tax payer and doesn't do any good as his past history shows. He contributes nothing good to society. Fuck him.

[Akzle]

You forgot to point out their practically all whites as well,and even the brown ones arn't really brown unless their 100% brown accoarding to some on this site.
So you honkies are a real pack of arseholes huh,,,even rip off your own while you shit on the semi brown guy.
Fuck mate,,,just who would you trust:lol::lol::lol:who you calling honky...? i'm 1/16th black, enough to claim all sorts of shit, free uni, treaty settlements, land, whatever...


My Daddy was a bankrobberbanker*, but he never hurt nobody. He just loved to live that way and he loved to steal your money.

-Indy

[superman]

But this is far from his first offense. He is a 'career criminal with 170 convictions' No amount of tree hugging sandel and sock wearing touchy feely rehabilitation will change him. Putting him in jail costs the tax payer and doesn't do any good as his past history shows. He contributes nothing good to society. Fuck him.

Yeah... everyone gets an absolutely equal opportunity in modern society and he chose to become who he is today on purpose. Let's kill him so that the most important thing in the world MONEY doesn't get wasted.

[Kickaha]

Let's kill him so that the most important thing in the world MONEY doesn't get wasted.

No, lets kill him so because he's a fucking waste of space and so he doesn't get a chance to rack up another 170 convictions

[superman]

No, lets kill him so because he's a fucking waste of space and so he doesn't get a chance to rack up another 170 convictions

I think we should do the same with anyone who has got more than 3 speeding tickets. They obviously can't stick to the rules of the State so let's just fucking kill them.

[jasonu]

Yeah... everyone gets an absolutely equal opportunity in modern society and he chose to become who he is today on purpose. Let's kill him so that the most important thing in the world MONEY doesn't get wasted.

Yep, that's the idea.

[scracha]

I think we should do the same with anyone who has got more than 3 speeding tickets. They obviously can't stick to the rules of the State so let's just fucking kill them.

Yeah...cos this guy truly can be rehabilitated. What planet are you living on?

I'm a big believer in "live and let live, as long as it doesn't affect other people". Smoking a j, injecting heroin or speeding past my house doesn't affect me....so I don't care. Rob my house, gimmie the bash or worse then yeah, you should be punished. I also don't want to have to pay lots of money to administer justice.

I also don't believe that "I was drunk/stoned/upset" is a valid reason for reducing sentences. Get arsey with certain types of drugs or alcohol, then avoid them.

This guy clearly has a huge effect on the lives of other people. I'd banish him and other career crims to Great Island until he decides to live in a manner that doesn't screw up other people's lives. For severe crimes, then Sharia Law has a certain appeal.

[wharekura]

For those that think their lives a ruined by PC laws - heres a country you can piss off to http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10814468

[oneofsix]

No Booze! No wonder they have to have public floggings. :bleh:

[BoristheBiter]

I think we should do the same with anyone who has got more than 3 speeding tickets. They obviously can't stick to the rules of the State so let's just fucking kill them.


For those that think their lives a ruined by PC laws - heres a country you can piss off to http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10814468

Just wait til the cops have performance based pay, then you sandal wearing PC wet arse's will have something to complain about.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10811811

[HenryDorsetCase]

Can you believe this??:mad::mad: Well being NZ I guess I shouldn't be suprised.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7066701/Career-criminal-gets-year-off-sentence

I feel sorry for the bank teller. Him? bullet in the head.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Just wait til the cops have performance based pay, then you sandal wearing PC wet arse's will have something to complain about.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10811811

They do already, no? If they dont meet their quota they get "Administratively reviewed" and "Counselled"









....................in 3, 2, 1......

[oneofsix]

They do already, no? If they dont meet their quota they get "Administratively reviewed" and "Counselled"









....................in 3, 2, 1......


It is not a quota, They keep telling you it is not a quota. A Key performance indicator or performance review item but not a quota.

:jerry:


Happy now?

[superman]

Just wait til the cops have performance based pay, then you sandal wearing PC wet arse's will have something to complain about.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10811811

Yes the societies which actively kill their citizens are much better countries for it. :eek:

[Akzle]

For those that think their lives a ruined by PC laws - heres a country you can piss off to http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10814468why should we have to piss off anywhere? i was born here, so i have a 1/4 billionth claim to occupy the earth.
the white guy who wrote the legislation has no more of a claim than i do. the maori gone before me have no more of a claim than i do.
when they (govt) send their gang enforcers (policy enforcers) around.. well. that can't be a legitimate claim because it involves forcing their dictates on other people...

perhaps since you're so keen to have someone to make decisions for you (whereby actually absolving you of having to take responsibility for yourself), then i'll make the decision that you and your kind can "piss off" to timbuktu.