MNZ June newsletter and license changes

[RDjase]

http://www.mnz.co.nz/circulars.aspx

Download the June newsletter and checkout the changes

[quickbuck]

http://www.mnz.co.nz/circulars.aspx

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SO, does that mean if all I want to do is race Vic Club, and Pac Club, and the HD and Manfeild rounds of the Tri-Series, it will be $100?
But as soon as I enter a Round that is a National Round, like it was in the summer, it will be $200?

Just asking.... not moaning. Think to be safe I need to get a $200 one, as I might do all NI National rounds....

[kiwi cowboy]

http://www.mnz.co.nz/circulars.aspx

Download the June newsletter and checkout the changes

What does island mean in that wording?.
Does it mean you cant race on a club licence in the other island to where your club is ?.

[Yow Ling]

So it's an extra hundie if you want to do Nelson, greymouth , Methven, wangavegas or pieroa.
I can see the extra value in that

[SWERVE]

As i am lead to believe a new club licence allows you to race at any affiliated club in either island.
As for the island wording... found that a bit strange too. Maybe they are covering all NZ nationalised islands such as Waiheke(cant spell it)/Chathams/tonga etc........ why i dont know unless there are plans for a race on one of those such islands!!!

[Grumph]

Island Championship refers to the fact that once upon a time we had NI and SI titles in various disciplines...principally Motocross and trials.
We probably need a ruling as to whether the SI cup comstitutes an island championship...

It looks to be a bit cleaner licence setup IMO - the problems caused with the club licence where a competitor wants to race at one venue with multiple clubs - eg, Ruapuna with Canty, BEARS and CAMS are solved. Street circuits are equated with National rounds also which is logical.
The sufferers are probably going to be bucket racers doing street circuits - well, sorry, but your risk level is IMO the same as all other street circuit users so the same licence level is appropriate.

[sidwyz]

Sounds pretty good to me,
except being a bucket racer,
a club licence would be fine, if I didn't want to race the ONE national race a year.

So to do the NZ national race for buckets will be an extra $100 for ONE race??

Anyone else think is not so great?
or have I got it wrong ?

[Shorty_925]

Sounds pretty good to me,
except being a bucket racer,
a club licence would be fine, if I didn't want to race the ONE national race a year.

So to do the NZ national race for buckets will be an extra $100 for ONE race??

Anyone else think is not so great?
or have I got it wrong ?

I would expect being that its a National title.

From the Link Jase put up: 'we received a very small amount of feedback'. Obviously not everyone that holds a licence sent a letter or email to MNZ.

[ellipsis]

I would expect being that its a National title.

From the Link Jase put up: 'we received a very small amount of feedback'. Obviously not everyone that holds a licence send a letter or email to MNZ.



...the option is there...they are elected and only a miniscule number of members actually vote at election time...the moans and groans that will ensue at sign on about costs will inevitably kick in and im not looking forward to it...i have my blanket statement/question ready already for the scowlers...'Did You Vote...No?..Dont Moan!...

[Yow Ling]

Do the old guys with the free licences get to race street races, what Im really asking is the freebe a club one or a full competition, same for the welcome back ones. This would affect the Cams and other classic clubs

[Bert]

.....
except being a bucket racer,
a club licence would be fine, if I didn't want to race the ONE national race a year.
So to do the NZ national race for buckets will be an extra $100 for ONE race??
Anyone else think is not so great?
or have I got it wrong ?

I though the same thing on first read; drafted up a letter then stopped and thought well; we expect to have the national (F4/F5) titles recognised and administrated etc. then I suppose it warrants a little more moola to keep it that way (should mean that it is given the same support as the other classes by MNZ) and given the correct format for holding the aforementioned nation title race/s (not a 5-10 lap race).
street races; well the amount of extra work that is needed to by Clubs (and MNZ I assume) to keep these events going; requires more $$ if F4/F5s are on the track they probably need to pay the same as long as they are treated fairly.


I would expect being that its a National title.

From the Link Jase put up: 'we received a very small amount of feedback'. Obviously not everyone that holds a licence sent a letter or email to MNZ.

Guilty.
But (F4/F5) have been asking for equality for a long time; this also means no special treatment... the basic level licence offers some encouragement to non MNZ member that race at club level only, a better deal; that has to be good for the sport in the future.



...the option is there...they are elected and only a miniscule number of members actually vote at election time...the moans and groans that will ensue at sign on about costs will inevitably kick in and im not looking forward to it...i have my blanket statement/question ready already for the scowlers...'Did You Vote...No?..Dont Moan!...


Well put.

[Kevin G]

What does island mean in that wording?.
Does it mean you cant race on a club licence in the other island to where your club is ?.

It means Island championship such as South Island MX champs or similar.
The club licence can be used at any club event anywhere in NZ. It cannot be used for Island (see above) or National championships nor can it be used at road Race Street meetings. The great majority of riders will purchase the new club Licence (around 3800). Welcome back licence is a club licence.

Anyone that wants to stand for MNZ SI On Road Board Member is welcome, my term is up at the next AGM...I am happy to step aside if someone is willing to take on the 20 hour a week voluntary job. The real bonus is that you get abused, blamed and worse for giving up your time as well, its a great lark. I guess I am not doing a great job of selling this am I....

Kevin Goddard

[malcy25]

...the option is there...they are elected and only a miniscule number of members actually vote at election time...the moans and groans that will ensue at sign on about costs will inevitably kick in and im not looking forward to it...i have my blanket statement/question ready already for the scowlers...'Did You Vote...No?..Dont Moan!...

I did reply, and I can confirm I think it is a screw up. Not the licencing structure, more the cost structure:
1) I do full licence and I get screwed to the tune of $53 more, for no added benefit
2) the club licence holder gets a big lift in benefit and gets a $10 lift (woopee!)
3) National level road race events struggle to get entrants and quite often are supported by essentially club level riders who do the local national events. MNZ has just put a 1) a hundred dollar barrier in the way and 2) an additional process for a club rider to go through if they decide to do a national level event

Thanks for nothing to:
1) those that didn't vote or pass feedback to kill this or at least make it more equitable.
2) those takers of the club licence who are taking money out of my pocket as I'm subsidising their licence. You all owe me a beer.

:facepalm:

Don't get me wrong, there are good aspects here, just that the thinking didn't make it to the end...

[ellipsis]

...totally agree...we sent of our questions about the whys, wherefore's and our objections...our delegate raised the matter at the AGM...it's going to be the straw that broke the camels back for many down here who are on fixed incomes who are already cutting back on entering events...a lot of our riders down here are actually under extreme financial hardships due to earthquakes, the general economy and its already showing in the lack of members rejoining the club...it's an irony that they want more money and also want clubs to do more work for them...if our club gets any smaller in numbers we may as well pack it in, which will leave a lot of unhappy riders who take advantage of the work we put in so they can all have 'fun'...anyone who doesn't take some kind of interest in their sport and just expects things to revolve around their 'expectations', needs a wake up call...it's not much good moaning on here now...they wont come out to play..dont blame them...

...I would still like to know where the huge amount of extra revenue is going to be spent...all I have heard is that National events are going to be much better, more professionally run and more coverage etc...lets just wait and see...

...sounds much like that arrogant prick Key spouting off last week about selling our assets and saying that their being elected is proof enough that all kiwis agree with them...

....growing the sport?????....

[malcy25]

...I would still like to know where the huge amount of extra revenue is going to be spent...all I have heard is that National events are going to be much better, more professionally run and more coverage etc...lets just wait and see...


My estimate is that it will be revenue negative for Licence fees to MNZ....many full licence holders will go initially to club licences at less than what they are paying....

Will be interesting reading the financials in a years time to see how it went and what revenue year on year was driven from licencing.

A goos stat to know would be how many upgrades processed in the 12 months and what national champ entry # were for people doing part of the series.

[scott411]

I wonder why trials riders adn quad riders get a cheaper national liceince than Mx riders, road racers, cross country racers, speedway and every other sort of racers?

if you ride trials and cross country/s, do you have to buy the more expensive cross country one, or will the trials one work like it used to?

[Kevin G]

...totally agree...we sent of our questions about the whys, wherefore's and our objections...our delegate raised the matter at the AGM...it's going to be the straw that broke the camels back for many down here who are on fixed incomes who are already cutting back on entering events...a lot of our riders down here are actually under extreme financial hardships due to earthquakes, the general economy and its already showing in the lack of members rejoining the club...it's an irony that they want more money and also want clubs to do more work for them...if our club gets any smaller in numbers we may as well pack it in, which will leave a lot of unhappy riders who take advantage of the work we put in so they can all have 'fun'...anyone who doesn't take some kind of interest in their sport and just expects things to revolve around their 'expectations', needs a wake up call...it's not much good moaning on here now...they wont come out to play..dont blame them...

...I would still like to know where the huge amount of extra revenue is going to be spent...all I have heard is that National events are going to be much better, more professionally run and more coverage etc...lets just wait and see...

...sounds much like that arrogant prick Key spouting off last week about selling our assets and saying that their being elected is proof enough that all kiwis agree with them...

....growing the sport?????....

The revenue is budgeted to be negative compared to last year and this assumes we pick up a good chunk of new club licence holders...its not about $$. At last years AGM the clubs spoke loudly that they wanted to see MNZ put initiatives in place to get bums on seats at local club events and allow unlicensed classes of racing and generally make it more affordable for the majority of Licence holders.

If it does not work it can be changed....if we do not try we do not know. From nearly 5000 licence holders we got to hear from around 30 people. Feedback was split between for and against.

Kevin Goddard

[sidwyz]

The revenue is budgeted to be negative compared to last year and this assumes we pick up a good chunk of new club licence holders...its not about $$. At last years AGM the clubs spoke loudly that they wanted to see MNZ put initiatives in place to get bums on seats at local club events and allow unlicensed classes of racing and generally make it more affordable for the majority of Licence holders.

If it does not work it can be changed....if we do not try we do not know. From nearly 5000 licence holders we got to hear from around 30 people. Feedback was split between for and against.

Kevin Goddard

30 out of 5000, that is pathetic.

My question though is how many out of 5000 KNEW about this initiative?
My guess is 40!

MNZ have my email address as well as the other 5000 im sure,

Why o why do they not send out a email to us to let us know of these upcoming sorts of changes?

Im sure they would get a LOT more feedback if they were a bit more proactive instead.

We don't all sit on the MNZ website waiting for updates and changes. Want feedback ask for it!

Thinking further,
A fair few MNZ members(racers) are on here as well as yourself(MNZ board).

How about, on here, announcing offically that you want some feedback on issues and providing a link or similar?

[Kevin G]

30 out of 5000, that is pathetic.

My question though is how many out of 5000 KNEW about this initiative?
My guess is 40!

MNZ have my email address as well as the other 5000 im sure,

Why o why do they not send out a email to us to let us know of these upcoming sorts of changes?

Im sure they would get a LOT more feedback if they were a bit more proactive instead.

We don't all sit on the MNZ website waiting for updates and changes. Want feedback ask for it!

Thinking further,
A fair few MNZ members(racers) are on here as well as yourself(MNZ board).

How about, on here, announcing offically that you want some feedback on issues and providing a link or similar?

You are right its pathetic but its about the same apathy we see when it comes time to vote for the people that run MNZ.....

It was sent to all MNZ clubs months ago, it was also on the MNZ website, NZSBK, Facebook and other media outlets. Riders should be involved with their clubs, this is the best way to be involved in your sport and recieve the official communications that are sent to them.
Your club remains the best point of contact, involvement and information. The circulars sent should be read out as correspondence at your club meetings if you attend them.

[scott411]

You are right its pathetic but its about the same apathy we see when it comes time to vote for the people that run MNZ.....

It was sent to all MNZ clubs months ago, it was also on the MNZ website, NZSBK, Facebook and other media outlets. Riders should be involved with their clubs, this is the best way to be involved in your sport and recieve the official communications that are sent to them.
Your club remains the best point of contact, involvement and information. The circulars sent should be read out as correspondence at your club meetings if you attend them.

the fact is that most MNZ members do not attend their club committee meetings,

The MNZ website is a mess, and has been for years, and the group that was set up to look at it reccomdations were ignored (i was on it) and it continued in its current form, it is trying to be to much to to many people, with press realeases, to many results so any information that the members need to see get lost on it,

not sure why it would be so hard to get it emailed out,

have a look at www.speedway.co.nz, it is what i think the website should be, just a basic website with news and competitor information,

[sidwyz]

You are right its pathetic but its about the same apathy we see when it comes time to vote for the people that run MNZ.....

It was sent to all MNZ clubs months ago, it was also on the MNZ website, NZSBK, Facebook and other media outlets. Riders should be involved with their clubs, this is the best way to be involved in your sport and recieve the official communications that are sent to them.
Your club remains the best point of contact, involvement and information. The circulars sent should be read out as correspondence at your club meetings if you attend them.

Well the system obviously works well then dosen't it?

I have now tried to join MNZ on facebook, but couldn't find said info, will look later.

Couldn't find any info on NZSBK website either.

These were cursory looks and it may be too long ago to find easy now.

The only reason I am a member of a club is to get a race licence, I have no intrest in attending meetings as I live in the waikato and belong to AMCC, you do the math.

You didn't answer my question however,
MNZ have our email address's why is it that they wont send us an email?

Luke

[Kevin G]

Well the system obviously works well then dosen't it?

I have now tried to join MNZ on facebook, but couldn't find said info, will look later.

Couldn't find any info on NZSBK website either.

These were cursory looks and it may be too long ago to find easy now.

The only reason I am a member of a club is to get a race licence, I have no intrest in attending meetings as I live in the waikato and belong to AMCC, you do the math.

You didn't answer my question however,
MNZ have our email address's why is it that they wont send us an email?

Luke

One reason is that for MNZ to send out 5000 emails is a nightmare, the ISP and other email watchdogs will instantly tag you (MNZ) as a spammer and all future emails will be dumped to spam or rejected from mail servers, we have looked into this and we are still looking at a way it can be done. It is currently illegal to send unsolicited emails to people, another thing we are looking at, we need to get everyone to agree to receiving mails.
If you know of a way we are keen to listen...
I agree that not everyone can attend club meetings but maybe your club could add a small portion to their newsletter re the current MNZ circulars or issues asking for feedback so you know to go and check the website?

[Kevin G]

the fact is that most MNZ members do not attend their club committee meetings,

The MNZ website is a mess, and has been for years, and the group that was set up to look at it reccomdations were ignored (i was on it) and it continued in its current form, it is trying to be to much to to many people, with press realeases, to many results so any information that the members need to see get lost on it,

not sure why it would be so hard to get it emailed out,

have a look at www.speedway.co.nz, it is what i think the website should be, just a basic website with news and competitor information,

Hi Scott.
A brand new website was announced at the AGM and this is due to go live soon, just a few bugs and design issues to resolve. We all agree its a mess but it was a big project. I am not sure when that group was set up but I am sure if that info was current then it would have been used for sure.
As always never perfect and usually late but its coming....

[scott411]

One reason is that for MNZ to send out 5000 emails is a nightmare, the ISP and other email watchdogs will instantly tag you (MNZ) as a spammer and all future emails will be dumped to spam or rejected from mail servers, we have looked into this and we are still looking at a way it can be done. It is currently illegal to send unsolicited emails to people, another thing we are looking at, we need to get everyone to agree to receiving mails.
If you know of a way we are keen to listen...
I agree that not everyone can attend club meetings but may your club could add a small portion to their newsletter re the current MNZ circulars or issues asking for feedback so you know to go and check the website?

Kevin, there are many outside providers that can send this size email database for a very small annual cost (under $1000), its not that hard as manyclubs/organisations already send to similar size databases,

and for hte website, its good to hear a new one is coming, i know sometimes the wheels take time to turn,


any reason why the annual reports are no longer posted on their btw,

[jellywrestler]

Couldn't find any info on NZSBK website either.



I'm not surprised NZSBK is a privately developed and run NEWS website, although when you were searching on it did you actually take a moment to send them a query through the CONTACT details? Thought not, another one that needs spoonfeeding...

[Kevin G]

Kevin, there are many outside providers that can send this size email database for a very small annual cost (Under $150), its not that hard as many clubs/organisations already send to similar size databases,

and for hte website, its good to hear a new one is coming, i know sometimes the wheels take time to turn,

any reason why the annual reports are no longer posted on their btw,

Hi Scott.
Can you send me a contact or details on such a provider?
I am not that clever on these matters, in fact some would suggest I am just not that clever full stop!
Please send to kgoddard@ihug.co.nz

[Kevin G]

Well the system obviously works well then dosen't it?

I have now tried to join MNZ on facebook, but couldn't find said info, will look later.

Couldn't find any info on NZSBK website either.

These were cursory looks and it may be too long ago to find easy now.

The only reason I am a member of a club is to get a race licence, I have no intrest in attending meetings as I live in the waikato and belong to AMCC, you do the math.

You didn't answer my question however,
MNZ have our email address's why is it that they wont send us an email?

Luke

Try http://www.facebook.com/pages/Motorcycling-New-Zealand-Inc/147576731980889

[Tony.OK]

One reason is that for MNZ to send out 5000 emails is a nightmare, the ISP and other email watchdogs will instantly tag you (MNZ) as a spammer and all future emails will be dumped to spam or rejected from mail servers, we have looked into this and we are still looking at a way it can be done. It is currently illegal to send unsolicited emails to people, another thing we are looking at, we need to get everyone to agree to receiving mails.
If you know of a way we are keen to listen...


With the online licencing, how about sending a confirmation email and having a confirmation link like when you forget a password for a website, you could ask user to check spam box and also ask user to add MNZ (the sender) to the safe list (or whatever its called).

That way all online applicants then have to check their emails to get the licence and in doing so will make sure MNZ emails don't go to spam.
Just a thought?

[nodrog]

One reason is that for MNZ to send out 5000 emails is a nightmare, the ISP and other email watchdogs will instantly tag you .................

Did you not just send out 5000 emails telling people about the 2012-2013 licence? Or was I the only person that got one?

[sidwyz]

I'm not surprised NZSBK is a privately developed and run NEWS website, although when you were searching on it did you actually take a moment to send them a query through the CONTACT details? Thought not, another one that needs spoonfeeding...

Spoonfed?? get real

You made my point, They are not the place we should be finding out about these types of things are they?

email from MNZ to us licence holders still seems the only way to get the message to the people in my opinion.

[sidwyz]

Try http://www.facebook.com/pages/Motorcycling-New-Zealand-Inc/147576731980889

Yep found that thanks and have joined.

[Kevin G]

Did you not just send out 5000 emails telling people about the 2012-2013 licence? Or was I the only person that got one?

Well maybe its already sorted then?
Who else got one?

[sidwyz]

Well maybe its already sorted then?
Who else got one?

Yep I did,

Checking my emails, I got 1 for the world speedway event as well,

And I got one last year for licence time as well

I find this odd?

[ellipsis]

...maybe licence holders need to think more, maybe clubs need to have more communication with their members, maybe MNZ is not up to speed on good communication...do road racers know that they are only about 500 in number the rest of the membership is mainly MX riders and I bet, most of MNZ's time is spent running around after them.
Im sure if road racers put their energies into being part of the game and involved in their future, ie. giving constructive feedback instead of just wanting it all to be there for them when they turn up at a meeting, then I'm sure decisions made on our behalf may have a little more thought put into them.
MNZ gets a bit of stick, some deserved maybe, some not...if we dont like what they do for us we have the options of voting them out and putting up some new people...whoever is running the show is still going to have the same shit to deal with...i'm not being nice to anyone here, just being a little congenial toward those that stand up and say they want to do the job...on the other hand, no doubt I will be back to rip them up again over such things as,

...why did we waste our time over seminars and all agree that we all need to be "on the same page"...go through the processes of initiating club officials to take the tests to become the new Stewards and Clerks of Course, that we all need so much, to be told that even though we passed,we didn't...( I did hear one of the reasons, and it's a derisible load of wank)

...whats with travelling all over the country to meetings and hanging out at resort towns in classy hotels for AGM meetings...

...someone pays for all this...us...