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Pixie
2nd August 2005, 09:09
As expected motorcyclists aren't the only one with a low opinion of Transit's
work on Highway one.
From NZ Farmers Weekly...

North Waikato farmers and contractors are far from impressed with road safety improvements to State Highway One.
The focus on preventing head-on car crashes had increased the danger for locals entering and leaving one of the busiest stretches of road in the country, Rangiriri farmer Trevor Simpson said.
SH1 between the Rangiriri Tavern and Hampton Downs has long been a notorious stretch of road for car ciashes.
As part of the highway upgrade, an expressway has been completed between Ohinewai and Hampton Downs.
The stretch around Ranginri now features wire rope as a median barrier and steel railing alongside the embankments.
“There has been a huge effort to prevent head-on collisions, but little effort to get vehicles waiting to get on to the highway safely, particularly heavy vehicles and tractors,” Simpson said.
Roading authority Transit NZ had failed to allow sufficient space for acceleration lanes at intersections, such as the Te Kauwhata junction and the Rangiriri bridge turn-off.
Farmers and contractors forced to use the road between jobs and land now face the ire of motorists slowed to their speed through a stretch of road which lacks any safe shoulder for slower traffic to drive upon.
There is now only one lane north, with no merging lane and little room for vehicles to get by in the event of a breakdown or accident.
Simpson said despite the $7m spent making the 8km stretch safer, Transit had failed to future proof the road and locals feel short changed.
“We were fully expecting to see a four lane highway route, and all we get is a stretch of road made narrower and more dangerous by median strips and poor planning.
“They may have eliminated head-
on collisions, but someone is going to get cleaned up in a side-on collision with a truck pulling out from the Rangiriri bridge on a foggy morning?’
Once turning traffic was committed to the main road, there were no “angel lanes” in the middle and little space for on-coming vehicles to avoid colliding, he said..
John Green runs an agricultural contracting business and said his tractor drivers received constant abuse from motorists frustrated at not being able to get past the machines through the stretch.
“I have seriously thought of putting some bumper stickers on the back of my machines saying “Don’t blame me, blame Transit”.
Two years ago at a local consultation meeting with Transit, Green told officials drainage sumps alongside the proposed road needed
to be set back from the shoulder to allow slower vehicles and cyclists to pull over without hitting them.
“They agreed it was a bloody good idea, and easily achieved. Well, here we are two years later and they have not listened. We have drain sumps you cannot drive over for fear of losing control, and cyclists don’t have a hope of getting around them either?’
The result is tractor drivers were forced to pull into the main traffic flow, bringing one of the country’s busiest stretches to a near standstill.
Green’s business also came to a near standstill during busy weekends when traffic volumes on Friday evenings and Sundays made travelling on and off SF11 risky and impractical.
The stretch of road was officially opened on June 28, and so far no major accidents have occurred.
However, both men doubt any real planning has allowed for handling an accident when and if it does occur.
“If there is an accident, there is no way the ambulance or fire brigade from Te Kauwhata will be able to get through, so assistanceis going to have to come from further north or south,” Simpson said.
The area has a high number of agricultural and heavy traffic movements locally, without including traffic going to and from Auckland.
Stock trucks use the Rangiriri bridge for access to much of the north-western Waikato.
Farm tractors and heavy traffic to quarries and Huntly power station make up the rest.
Difficulties getting onto SHI from the bridge now that any merging lane is gone mean trucks are oflen queued up over the bridge for long periods of time.
Transit New Zealand is disappointed at the reaction of North Waikato residents to recent road upgrades.
Regional operations manager Jan Cox said, he could understand locals were expecting a full four lane expressway, but the funds simply dis not extend that far.
“We feel we did make it clear through consultation what was going to be delivered. The road simply could not remain as it was given the number of head- on collisions. We have definitely made it safer.”
Cox maintained the road, despite wire rope and steel barriers, was wider than before.
But it was inevitable tractors would end up having to join the traffic flow, he said.
The aim of the road section was to prevent passing and therefore head-on collisions.
“Traffic volumes along that road flow are so large that perhaps there is no place for tractors and slow machinery, perhaps trucking tractors between jobs will have to be considered,” Cox said.
The turn-off from the Rangiriri bridge had always involved getting on to a busy stretch of road, and Cox said this too had been made safer.
He believed adequate space and lanes had been provided for drivers to accelerate on to the main highway from Te Kauwhata.
“It has always been a give way, so you have always had to pick a gap when you leave from there anyway.”
Cox admitted in an ideal world there would be an expressway right through the area, joining those already in place to the north and south.
Howerver, money and the historical sensitivity of the Rangiriri Pa site prevented Transit making any greater improvements to the stretch.
He estimated a full expressway would cost $50m.
Transit would be interested to see what happens with the promised $SOOm for road projects announced recently.
“Ideally we would build a by-pass around Rangiriri that goes around the pa site on the riverside,” he said.

To paraphrase Britney Spears...Oops I fucked up again

bugjuice
2nd August 2005, 09:19
I drove that stretch last weekend and was pretty shocked at the result. Somewhere deep down, I was hoping it was final, but they've put so much effort into it, it looked like it was. If I bike happened to come a cropa, there's little hope for the rider. Like it says, even if a car breaks down or stops for whatever reason, or even a truck, the stretch is buggered.. Very pisspoor attempt there. They should have (not could have) done a better job there..

vifferman
2nd August 2005, 09:21
There ahve been complaints about SH2 through Maramarua too - Transit have put rumble strips along the sides of the road that are way too far in, and force traffic towards the centre of the road. WTF are they playing at?!? I'd imagine few people have died from running off the side of the road - the biggest risk is head-on collisions. If they wanted to waste roading money fixing the road up, they would've been better putting a wide median with rumble strips in, and left the verge alone.

The ultimate plan is to bypass this "tortuous stretch of road" with a straighter, safer, 4-lane highway. Then what? The people who can't handle a few curves will crash their cars wherever that new highway ends.

You know what the only thing is that would fix it? Dig up the highway, and replace it with a narrow, twisty, rutted, umsealed goat track, that demands intense concentration to drive on. The ones who can't drive will avoid it, and the others will be forced to concentrate on driving properly.

Pixie
2nd August 2005, 09:24
There ahve been complaints about SH2 through Maramarua too - Transit have put rumble strips along the sides of the road that are way too far in, and force traffic towards the centre of the road. WTF are they playing at?!? I'd imagine few people have died from running off the side of the road - the biggest risk is head-on collisions. If they wanted to waste roading money fixing the road up, they would've been better putting a wide median with rumble strips in, and left the verge alone.

The ultimate plan is to bypass this "tortuous stretch of road" with a straighter, safer, 4-lane highway. Then what? The people who can't handle a few curves will crash their cars wherever that new highway ends.

You know what the only thing is that would fix it? Dig up the highway, and replace it with a narrow, twisty, rutted, umsealed goat track, that demands intense concentration to drive on. The ones who can't drive will avoid it, and the others will be forced to concentrate on driving properly.
And fit all cages with a steel spike in front of the driver's forehead...an aid to concentration

vifferman
2nd August 2005, 09:31
And fit all cages with a steel spike in front of the driver's forehead...an aid to concentration
It REALLY pisses me off, that the perceived answer to any traffic problems is always the most simplistic. There's actually little wrong with either of those bits of highway (although they could do with more passing lanes) - it's just that you get all these f*$#ers (the word is fuckers - mod) who can't drive and when they get to the end of the motorway they carry on following too close, not paying attention, talking on the phone, or any other of the gross bad habits employed on the motorway. That's an education issue, not an engineering one. Unless Transit make every road in NZ a motorway with a solid barrier, these eejits will continue to find ways to kill themselves and others.

bugjuice
2nd August 2005, 09:32
You know what the only thing is that would fix it? Dig up the highway, and replace it with a narrow, twisty, rutted, umsealed goat track, that demands intense concentration to drive on. The ones who can't drive will avoid it, and the others will be forced to concentrate on driving properly.
I think that's called SH22.. and I love it :love:
but not at the moment.

Motu
2nd August 2005, 10:27
You know what the only thing is that would fix it? Dig up the highway, and replace it with a narrow, twisty, rutted, umsealed goat track, that demands intense concentration to drive on. The ones who can't drive will avoid it, and the others will be forced to concentrate on driving properly.

We have enough sportbike riders who can't negotiate SH22 on a good day without coming a cropper and blaming the road for their inability to cope with conditions....

I get to travel on this section of SH1 everyday now,and it's a complete cock up alright,despite what they say,the impression is the road is narrower,and I really hate to think what will happen with an accident - there is no way to bypass the rope,trucks can't turn around,everyone will be trapped down the single lane...what if it was a tanker on fire?? No way for emergency services to access the accident site,a biggy here will be a real biggy.I merge at Rangariri everyday - if you can see a vehicle they are up your date before you get to 100kph,even if you wait for no cars,they will still catch you.

It's been 3 weeks now and the rope at Te Kawhata is still lying on the ground and traffic diverted to the north bound lane,there is going to be high maintanence on the barrier - if this is how long it takes to deal with one issue someone has a job...several jobs,for life.

Ixion
2nd August 2005, 10:30
..

You know what the only thing is that would fix it? Dig up the highway, and replace it with a narrow, twisty, rutted, umsealed goat track, that demands intense concentration to drive on. The ones who can't drive will avoid it, and the others will be forced to concentrate on driving properly.

YES. WAY TO GO. That's why I hate it when a gravel road gets sealed. Nice bit of road, leads to a nice quiet pretty place. Not much traffic, and if you make the effort you have pretty place much to yourself. Then they seal the raod, and wallop, every incompetant idiot around decides they can manage to go there now. Road busy as, pretty place overflowing with humans (I hate humans ) , all spoiled.

And in fact those "bad" roads are usually quite safe. They LOOK dangerous so people take care. And the really incompetant don't even try.

Ixion
2nd August 2005, 10:32
I think that's called SH22.. and I love it :love:
but not at the moment.

SH22 is pretty near all sealed now. Alas. Ichabod, ichabod. 'twas a good road back in the day.

EDIT. Hm, actually what I mean was it was a damn bad road. I remember riding it once on the Tbird, and the washboard was so bad that when I finally emerged and tried to stop I stalled the engine, because my wrist was so weak from the hammering it had taken that I couldn't pull in the clutch. Now THAT'S what i call a road! :love:

bugjuice
2nd August 2005, 10:33
SH22 is pretty near all sealed now. Alas. Ichabod, ichabod. 'twas a good road back in the day.
been down there in the past couple of weeks?

WINJA
2nd August 2005, 10:54
AT LEAST TRANSIT DID SOMETHING TO STOP HEAD ONS , HEAD ONS ARE A BIGGER CONCERN TO ME THAN A SLOW TRACTOR. I KNOW THOSE WIRE FENCES ARE DANGEROUS FOR MOTORCYCLISTS BUT WHAT CAN WE DO , ID RATHER HIT THAT WIRE THAN HAVE A HEAD ON, IF YOU RIDE PROPERLY YOULL PROLLY NEVER HIT THAT WIRE.
ID LIKE TO SEE LTSA START TO TARGET THESE DANGEROUS FARMERS , , GET YA FUCKEN TRACTOR OFF THE ROAD IF ITS TOO SLOW OR NOT ROAD WORTHY

Waylander
2nd August 2005, 14:19
AT LEAST TRANSIT DID SOMETHING TO STOP HEAD ONS , HEAD ONS ARE A BIGGER CONCERN TO ME THAN A SLOW TRACTOR. I KNOW THOSE WIRE FENCES ARE DANGEROUS FOR MOTORCYCLISTS BUT WHAT CAN WE DO , ID RATHER HIT THAT WIRE THAN HAVE A HEAD ON, IF YOU RIDE PROPERLY YOULL PROLLY NEVER HIT THAT WIRE.

Unless ofcourse you come up to some farmer trying to get up to speed after joining the main road. You move to avoid him he moves to avoid you, someone's gonna go into the wire and you can bet the farmer wont risk wrecking something he needs for work.

ID LIKE TO SEE LTSA START TO TARGET THESE DANGEROUS FARMERS , , GET YA FUCKEN TRACTOR OFF THE ROAD IF ITS TOO SLOW OR NOT ROAD WORTHY

Never gonna happen, if they do then the farmers will do it anyway.

WINJA
2nd August 2005, 14:49
Unless ofcourse you come up to some farmer trying to get up to speed after joining the main road. You move to avoid him he moves to avoid you, someone's gonna go into the wire and you can bet the farmer wont risk wrecking something he needs for work.


Never gonna happen, if they do then the farmers will do it anyway.
BULL SHIT ,A FEW $500 FINES WILL SORT EM OUT , VEHICLE NOT FIT FOR THE ROAD , DANGEROUS ORNAMENTS AND FITTINGS , INCONSIDERATE DRIVING , THATS WHAT AN AUCK COP GAVE SOME FARMER TRYING TO SHIFT HIS TRACTOR GOOD THING TOO , STUPID FARMER, THESE DAYS SHOULD BE OVER , TRACTORS SHOULD NEED WARRANTS , HOW THE FUCK CAN SOMEONE TAKE A COMBINE HARVESTER ON THE ROAD WITH ALL THOSE SHARP BITS ON IT LEGALLY I DONT KNOW, ITS LIKE ME DRIVING RAOUND WITH A SWORD WELDED TO MY BUMPER ID GET A TICKET AND RIGHTLY SO.

zeRax
2nd August 2005, 18:04
gotta agree with winja there ;0

sAsLEX
2nd August 2005, 18:12
Unless Transit make every road in NZ a motorway with a solid barrier, these eejits will continue to find ways to kill themselves and others.

shhhhhh! your on to my plan, I am going to patent a addition to all auckland cars where dolly wheels are placed along the side of the car, think Tamiya model cars, so you just chuck it in cruise control and let the barriers steer you

SPman
2nd August 2005, 18:34
BULL SHIT ,A FEW $500 FINES WILL SORT EM OUT , VEHICLE NOT FIT FOR THE ROAD , DANGEROUS ORNAMENTS AND FITTINGS , INCONSIDERATE DRIVING , THATS WHAT AN AUCK COP GAVE SOME FARMER TRYING TO SHIFT HIS TRACTOR GOOD THING TOO , STUPID FARMER, THESE DAYS SHOULD BE OVER , TRACTORS SHOULD NEED WARRANTS , HOW THE FUCK CAN SOMEONE TAKE A COMBINE HARVESTER ON THE ROAD WITH ALL THOSE SHARP BITS ON IT LEGALLY I DONT KNOW, ITS LIKE ME DRIVING RAOUND WITH A SWORD WELDED TO MY BUMPER ID GET A TICKET AND RIGHTLY SO.
Fuck off - drove a Ford County 6 with full gear for pulling scrapers, down Queen St once! Fuck it was great - every car got out of the way - shit scared they were!
Took a motor scraper down to Huntly from Auckland - motorway and all - never had any trouble with traffic - I'd have run over them if I did!
Aaah ....those were the days. . .

myvice
2nd August 2005, 21:34
Rip up the roads! No straight longer than 500mtrs! Gravel for every one!
Bandit makes a pretty good MX bike, but all you 1/2 the alphabet RRRRRRRR riders are screwed!
We'd kick ass in the WRC too! We already lead the world in MX!
Josh Coppens (sp) is a god! :first:

anhrefn
2nd August 2005, 21:38
I dont think Transit NZ could find there backside with both hands let alone one, most of thier large projects have shown poor planning and little thought beyond one design aspect. If only I could get paid the money they did for doing such a half ass job :oi-grr: