Battle of the Buckets Ruapuna, 8-9 September

[F5 Dave]

Well I've only had the info by text, but I'm so excited I figured I better get a thread in & start the collective juices flowing.

BOB on the 8th. I'm assuming it will be B cct Ruapuna, but that's only my educated guess.
Bears & Buckets racing 9th.

So it makes it worthwhile getting a NI posse together to go take revenge for a SI drubbing at the GP from the hands of those fiendish mainlanders.


Seriously it is a good event, a lot of fun, heck even the locals are a sort of alright bunch.


55min on a great track (assuming B cct) winner takes all. I'm not sure what that means or the scope or context of 'all'

In fact there is no text to indeed indicate that this 'all' will be up on offer, or for how long, but sometimes you have to make your own path to reward.



Rich & I have talked briefly about wgtn guys arranging a transport down, it has been done in the past.

Who's keen?

[Yow Ling]

so will the2013 bucket GP be held in the south now that the trophy is permanently located down here ?

I hope they keep the bob to 55min this year ,it went over my use by last year, had to get a ring in to finish the race for me

[Fast Eddie]

if anyone has a spare bike i'd be keen to give buckets a go :D

[Kickaha]

if anyone has a spare bike i'd be keen to give buckets a go :D

Knock off the father in laws

[Fast Eddie]

Knock off the father in laws

lol shhhh...

he wouldnt let me borrow it, oh well..

wheres yours at?

[kel]

so will the2013 bucket GP be held in the south now that the trophy is permanently located down here ?
:killingme you guys crack me up.

[F5 Dave]

Just remember if the Hoogies were busy last year it would have been a Wellington 1-2. :bleh:

[F5 Dave]

it is Ruapuna B cct not levels then?

[gav]

I thought the current president mightve posted the details by now, by guess he has other things on :(
Yes, Ruapuna B track running as part of a CAMS meeting again, so main race to be held during lunch break.
BEARS meet on the Sunday.

[Muzzab]

I thought the current president mightve posted the details by now, by guess he has other things on :(
Yes, Ruapuna B track running as part of a CAMS meeting again, so main race to be held during lunch break.
BEARS meet on the Sunday.


Ya-hoo, on the Calendar already about to see if I can have the Friday and Monday off to make a real weekend of it.

Cheers
Muzza

[ellipsis]

...CAMS dates are only just at the point of being verified, we have had to do a lot of shuffling to get a back to back meeting so the bucketeers can have a weekend of it...our calendar will be official very shortly...looking like seven or eight meetings that F4 can play at with CAMS this coming season...

[F5 Dave]

. .
Yes, Ruapuna B track . . .
Oooh I think I wet myself a little.:banana:

[Str8 Jacket]

Oooh I think I wet myself a little.:banana:

But that's only cause you;re old and incontinent, eh

[F5 Dave]

Old & incompetent:(

[timg]

Old & incompetent:( That too :bleh:

[gav]

Have created an event on Facebook for this race now.
https://www.facebook.com/events/402490519788260/
Will add updates and news as it comes to hand on there as well. If you want to be added to the group let me know.

[timg]

Cool. Thanks for that GAV. Not sure where the BMRC are at ? but the CAMS date for Saturday 8th September on the Ruapuna B track is confirmed. BEARS are running on the B track on the 9th so there's 2 days (well the BEARS is a half day) Bucket racing back to back. Ruapuna should be open for testing on Friday 7th so all the Norf Islanders can blow their two smokes up before hand :dodge: As it we did last year, CAMS will be looking at looking to make sure it's a great days racing for all who come.

Wallace wanted to try the F5 GP as well seeing as it didn't get of the ground at Taupo, however MNZ rules only allow one crack at it for the calendar year and as it was cancelled at Taupo due to lack of entries that's it for 2012.

We've got a couple of bedrooms 15 minutes from the track if any of the NI mob wand somewhere to doss down :yawn: Cheers.

[Bert]

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Wallace wanted to try the F5 GP as well seeing as it didn't get of the ground at Taupo, however MNZ rules only allow one crack at it for the calendar year and as it was cancelled at Taupo due to lack of entries that's it for 2012.

That's a real shame; I would have thought MNZ would have a little bit of wriggle room around this, especially given the fact that it was cancelled well in advance.

Maybe Wallace could try the NZ 50cc GP (not F5) slightly different rules..... but bucket racers except these things....

[Henk]

Re the F5 GP I'd ask the question of MNZ, costs nothing to pose the question and if you don't ask you have no already.

[gav]

Maybe we should see how many numbers we could attract to race a F5 class first?

[timg]

Re the F5 GP I'd ask the question of MNZ, costs nothing to pose the question and if you don't ask you have no already. Already done that :) The response was;

Hi Tim</SPAN>

Our championship year is January to December so as stated in Rule 4.10.8 it is not possible to hold the championship again.</SPAN>

Kind Regards</SPAN>

Motorcycling New Zealand</SPAN>
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/image001.png@01CD5457.D6D120D0</SPAN>

[Muzzab]

Cool. Thanks for that GAV. Not sure where the BMRC are at ? but the CAMS date for Saturday 8th September on the Ruapuna B track is confirmed. BEARS are running on the B track on the 9th so there's 2 days (well the BEARS is a half day) Bucket racing back to back. Ruapuna should be open for testing on Friday 7th so all the Norf Islanders can blow their two smokes up before hand :dodge: As it we did last year, CAMS will be looking at looking to make sure it's a great days racing for all who come.

Wallace wanted to try the F5 GP as well seeing as it didn't get of the ground at Taupo, however MNZ rules only allow one crack at it for the calendar year and as it was cancelled at Taupo due to lack of entries that's it for 2012.

We've got a couple of bedrooms 15 minutes from the track if any of the NI mob wand somewhere to doss down :yawn: Cheers.

Hi Tim,

Can I make a booking at yours for the BoB.

Cheers
Muzza
(Still working on the Levels weekend coming up)

[F5 Dave]

Already done that :) The response was;

Hi Tim

Our championship year is January to December so as stated in Rule 4.10.8 it is not possible to hold the championship again.

Kind Regards

Motorcycling New Zealand
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/image001.png@01CD5457.D6D120D0
But it wasn't held once?! Do they know that or just assume F4 & F5 were held?

Otherwise they are directly impeding motorcycle racing.

Other option would be to run an open 50cc GP like they did 3 years back:niceone:

[F5 Dave]

Have created an event on Facebook for this race now.
https://www.facebook.com/events/402490519788260/
Will add updates and news as it comes to hand on there as well. If you want to be added to the group let me know.
FB page? Sorry mate. its still for gurls.:bleh:

[gav]

FB page? Sorry mate. its still for gurls.:bleh:
And this from someone still riding a lil 50 .... :bleh:

[F5 Dave]

And this from someone still riding a lil 50 .... :bleh:

and I STILL think its for gurls ya great shirt lifter

[richban]

OK. So how many people from up north are planning on going? This year is looking touch and go for me but I am trying to get there still.

Best racing on the calender for sure. And the north island racers have some payback to try dish out. Maybe the 2 strokes will like the wide open throttle racing of B track.

[F5 Dave]

My build is based around this event. But I may be whackeled if I can't share costs. I'm sure we can get some people together.

[timg]

Hi Tim,

Can I make a booking at yours for the BoB.

Cheers
Muzza

Done

10 char

[ellipsis]

...MNZ has funding for clubs to call on, as F4 is one of the classes in the fold and it is such an important event for F4, F5 racers, maybe the NI contingent could make enquiries of the leaders and ask for some of 'their' money to assist...you lot are entitled to ask as much as any other premiere class...

[Str8 Jacket]

...MNZ has funding for clubs to call on, as F4 is one of the classes in the fold and it is such an important event for F4, F5 racers, maybe the NI contingent could make enquiries of the leaders and ask for some of 'their' money to assist...you lot are entitled to ask as much as any other premiere class...

Not to sure how MNZ would react to us Welly bucketeers. Even though some of us have MNZ licences we don't actually run under MNZ, we run under the kart club....

Would definitely be worth asking though, just best it comes from an MNZ licence holder which I think Dave and Rich may be??

[Yow Ling]

Not to sure how MNZ would react to us Welly bucketeers. Even though some of us have MNZ licences we don't actually run under MNZ, we run under the kart club....

Would definitely be worth asking though, just best it comes from an MNZ licence holder which I think Dave and Rich may be??

I guess I could apply to Rangiora is such a long way from the track

[GirrlRacer]

I've heard a rumor that there may be a possibility that there might be a truck to transport bikes if we can find a van to transport riders, share costs...

[F5 Dave]

Well Rich launched the idea. How many we would need to make it worthwhile & people to rely on keeping a commitment.

Be good to see you guys make it down. Maybe we should broach the subject on sunday racing.

[Skunk]

Victoria Motorcycle Club is making it's truck and a 12 seat van available if we can get 12 riders together.
Price will be less than $200 plus your personal ferry ticket (about $55 return). This price covers the fuel and the ferry crossing for your bike.

If you're keen on this offer contact race@vicclub.co.nz ASAP! Preference will be given to Vic Club members but I'm fairly sure we will have room for you all.

If we don't have 12 confirmed by the end of this month we will not be able to do this - so hurry up!

This is being posted on FB as well (For the gurls F5...)

[Muzzab]

Go you good thing.......it'd be a hoot to have a dozen Norfies in the mix at the BoB.

Cheers
Muzza

[F5 Dave]

Yup This sounds like a great plan, I'd be in & have sent email.

[Drew]

Hmmm, first outing on my bike would be heaps better on a track I know.

[ellipsis]

Hmmm, first outing on my bike would be heaps better on a track I know...

...you would get to know the B Track quite rapidly...

[Kickaha]

..

...you would get to know the B Track quite rapidly...

He's already had intimate contact with part of it

[Drew]

He's already had intimate contact with part of it

Only one of my crashes that I don't take all the credit for too.

B track is only one corner I haven't ridden isn't it?

[dangerous]

B track is only one corner I haven't ridden isn't it?A left off nana's instead of nana's right hand sweaper

[Drew]

A left off nana's instead of nana's right hand sweaper
Yeah, that's what I thought after watching Richards footage from last year.

Funny thing, I've done a few days on that track, and never once noticed the facility to turn left there. I'd hit you up for a bed for the weekend, but being a breeding factory now I think I'll try my luck elsewhere.

If we come down that is.

[Clivoris]

Victoria Motorcycle Club is making it's truck and a 12 seat van available if we can get 12 riders together.
Price will be less than $200 plus your personal ferry ticket (about $55 return). This price covers the fuel and the ferry crossing for your bike.

If you're keen on this offer contact race@vicclub.co.nz ASAP! Preference will be given to Vic Club members but I'm fairly sure we will have room for you all.

If we don't have 12 confirmed by the end of this month we will not be able to do this - so hurry up!

This is being posted on FB as well (For the gurls F5...)
Add me and GirrlRacer to the list Skunk. This might benefit from it's own thread? Will be great to get down there with a good VMCC/Welly representation. Might have to upgrade my licence I s'pose.

He's already had intimate contact with part of it

I'm not sure I want to ride on something that's been intimate with Drew :chase: I will end up looking like an amateur.

[Kickaha]

I'd hit you up for a bed for the weekend

I guess I could put some bikes out of the garden shed into the garage and you could sleep out there

[dangerous]

I'd hit you up for a bed for the weekend, but being a breeding factory now I think I'll try my luck elsewhere.

If we come down that is.FUCK OFF... NO more breeding here man, little darryl is very happy to stay in hi jocks for a very long tiime...
and ya more than welcome to stay, we are now 20mins from the track and thats all at 100kph so a wee way outish.

[Drew]

I'm not sure I want to ride on something that's been intimate with Drew :chase: I will end up looking like an amateur.I barely touched it! Highside, land on back, bounce off track.


I guess I could put some bikes out of the garden shed into the garage and you could sleep out thereYou're generous to a fault mate.

[Drew]

Skunk, could you pencil me in for a spot in the truck? I can't commit right now but I'm keen as a bean.

[Clivoris]

I barely touched it! Highside, land on back, bounce off track.


In that case, I'm in. Hope it's snowing.

[Drew]

In that case, I'm in. Hope it's snowing.

I've done a bit of snow riding, I will still go out if it does.

[Skunk]

Update: Looking at going down Thursday with the bikes and back Monday.
Make sure you email race@vicclub.co.nz to get your booking done - DON'T post here and expect it to happen.

Oh, and I'll need a place to stay I guess. I have a bed in the truck but that's it. :scratch:

[Skunk]

This might benefit from it's own thread? Will be great to get down there with a good VMCC/Welly representation. Might have to upgrade my licence I s'pose.

Done.



And 10 chrs if that's still needed.

[Yow Ling]

Might have to upgrade my licence I s'pose.




You only need a club license or a day license

[Clivoris]

You only need a club license or a day license

Choice news. Saves a few dollars.

[timg]

FUCK OFF... NO more breeding here man, I got a sharp axe and a nice malt .... :yes:

[gav]

OK, looks like there have been a couple of changes to the entry for the main BoB endurance race. It has been decided to limit the entry to 40 bikes, and also entry will be dictated by prelim race results, with a qualifying cutoff set at 120%. This means in a 5 lap sprint if you are lapped by the race leader you may not qualify to race the main Endurance event.
Not too sure that I agree with these changes but apparently thats what has been decided. :(

[dangerous]

Not too sure that I agree with these changes but apparently thats what has been decided. :(Yeah I dont... pleanty penalised cos the fastest riders cant be fucked obying MNZ rules like "the passing rider is resposable to do so safely"
I was inviterd to the meeting last Mon night but couldnt make it however gave my thoughts in a email.

[richban]

Yeah I dont... pleanty penalised cos the fastest riders cant be fucked obying MNZ rules like "the passing rider is resposable to do so safely"
I was inviterd to the meeting last Mon night but couldnt make it however gave my thoughts in a email.

How many people get passed in a 5 lap race by Matthew HOr Nick Cain now? If its half the field then that will never work.

[gav]

Depends how many turn up I guess, occasionally they catch me at last corner and there are usually quite a few behind me. Seems a massive over reaction due to one guy in his second ever event getting knocked off by someone who made a poor decision on how he was going to pass the rider in front.

[dangerous]

Seems a massive over reaction due to one guy in his second ever event getting knocked off by someone who made a poor decision on how he was going to pass the rider in front.... yip...

[richban]

Depends how many turn up I guess, occasionally they catch me at last corner and there are usually quite a few behind me. Seems a massive over reaction due to one guy in his second ever event getting knocked off by someone who made a poor decision on how he was going to pass the rider in front.

Probably not a good idea to work this out on the fast few. I think it should be set buy the best of the rest the guy that runs 10th maybe. Then only the really dangerously slow peep's would have to sit it out. Its not so cut and dry really is it.

[Kickaha]

It has been decided to limit the entry to 40 bikes, and also entry will be dictated by prelim race results, with a qualifying cutoff set at 120%. This means in a 5 lap sprint if you are lapped by the race leader you may not qualify to race the main Endurance event.(
Who made that decision?

[gav]

The meeting included Waldo, Paul Gooch, TimG, Tony Mac, Geoff Cain and Lachie MacDonald. A few others got invites, me included but with a 5.30pm start for the meeting I was never going to get to that, so sent my views by email as did a few others.

[ellipsis]

...sensibilities will reign on the day, mark my words...:cool:

[gav]

...sensibilities will reign on the day, mark my words...:cool:
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for Neal, anyone dangerously slow might be given a quiet word, and common sense should prevail.

[ellipsis]

too true gav...Lachie and I have put a lot of thought into this, and there's really not a lot to put thought into... there will be time to do all that is reqd for all to have a good day..as always...we are even taking the 63's and 72's off to Levels for you...there will be tired bikes and riders by the end of the day and then there's Sunday...

[TZ350]

This means in a 5 lap sprint if you are lapped by the race leader you may not qualify to race the main Endurance event.

Thought we might send Av or Nigal No Mates down and they can disqualify the rest of the field.

[Kickaha]

Thought we might send Av or Nigal No Mates down and they can disqualify the rest of the field.

Can they do 5-6 laps without blowing up or crashing?

[richban]

Thought we might send Av or Nigal No Mates down and they can disqualify the rest of the field.

Don't tell me No Mates is on the ESE team now. I thought he had well, No Mates! Anyway I don't think a lot of people from up north realize how they roll down south. Whoever you bring and whatever they ride they best bring the A game. And start getting in shape. Make's the GP look like a Sunday drive.

[TZ350]

Can they do 5-6 laps without blowing up or crashing?

Yes I got the quietly confident grin wiped off my face at Taupo, then doubly rubbed in it at Kaitoki ... :crazy: so I won't be saying much more about the BOB.

[TZ350]

Don't tell me No Mates is on the ESE team now. I thought he had well, No Mates!

Your right, it was just a bit of pre race silly talk.... :facepalm:

[Skunk]

Seems a massive over reaction due to one guy in his second ever event getting knocked off by someone who made a poor decision on how he was going to pass the rider in front.That sounds like a really, really distorted version of something that happened at Manfeild recently. But it must be something else because it's so far from any resemblance to the truth of the circumstances.

I don't think I've ever seen huge (200 kph) speed differences in Buckets... :wacko: Must be a piss poor rider on a really fast Bucket that caused an accident like that down there...

If that's how it's going to be I can't see the point in going down. I'd really like too but I don't think my Pre 89 will be ready and the Bucket won't be fast enough. Are there any races for the 'slow bastards' like me? Who do I need to email/talk to? Where are the Entry forms and Supp Regs? Do they even want out of towners there :lol:

If you want a ride in the truck speak up! Email Vic Club (race@vicclub.co.nz) soon as we don't have anywhere near enough yet.

[gammaguy]

call me old

the last time i raced a bucket was my championship winning Kawasaki KH100 at Wigram

would love to get back into it,but my current tiddler is too big...

**shuffles off to the oxygen tent**

[gav]

The details of the accident were covered in this thread http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/150719-A-unique-problem-with-SI-Buckets
Of course we want you Welly guys there, and its you guys that I think some of these rules are a bit silly.
Personally I'd like to think that all you guys who come down will be fine to start the main race, I've shared the track with most of you and all are fine in my eyes regardless of your speed, but if fast buggers want to slow down a bit that would be sweet too :lol:
Entry is on the day.

This is what the current President of BRMC has sent out to some clubs.

CAMS is hosting the BOB. They are a great club and put on excellent race meetings. Their classes are 63, 72, 82, 89, Moderns, F4 and 250/150. We are eligible for the 250/150 class which means we get 2 sprint for races every round. (250 4 stroke and 150 2 stroke)

BOB

As the BOB is a national event and we have looked to adding a few rules to improve the safety of the event and it's ongoing sustainability. It is a 55 minute race +1 lap. The major contributor to accident and human damage is due to speed differentials in the bikes. Ruapuna B circuit is a high speed circuit and most corners are taken at well over 100kph. After a really good meeting last night, the following proposal is to be forwarded to CAMS club to be included in the supplemental rules for the BOB.

All BOB entrants need to be lapping within 120% of the fastest lap time. That means that a rider is not eligible for the BOB if they are lapped by a front runner in a 5 lap race.
The maximum starting number on the grid to around 40.
The riders must have attended at least 3 race meeting this year.
Bikes to be scrutineered.

Basically if you have a good bike and are a proficient and safe on the track you will be eligible.

If there are any issues with the above, please let me know now before we get the Posters printed.

For those coming from North Island, Ruapuna can be privately hired on Friday for $50.
The BOB is on Saturday and then there is Bears on Sunday ($40). Bears have a 12:00 start, 1 practice, 2 races and if all goes well, an all in at then end.

Make this a 3 day weekend of racing. The BMRC members are more that willing to be hosts. Let us know early.

Thanks Wallace

The 250/150 class is basically 150 Streetstock and 250 Prolites and buckets.
Sounds like the Pre 62/72 class will be elsewhere too, so should be plenty of racing available on the day.

[OllyMoto]

:Oi: Just one thought, if the BOB is the main event of the day and the other racing is although important, but not the main reason for the majority of attending in buickett class. Why Not give all slow riders a yellow jacket for the "QUALIFYING" races and come to a collective community agreement to not lap anyone before the BOB so all that have made big efforts to attaned at least get to participate. Thinking outside of the box? If you cant beat the machine shen simply side step it!

This is not how i would like to see things done but in this world you do what you have to for the greater good.

If this Idea works i might add there is no reason why this same level of tolerance cant be applied to every race, not by banning lapping slow riders but by perhaps giving a little more consideration to slow riders you are lapping (if you are that fast of course).

Just a thought. Sadly i wont be there this year as the Handbrake has me sitting on a beach somewhere :weep: but i hope it all goes well and all that turn up get a good safe ride and enjoy the weekends racing. :cool:

[Kickaha]

The riders must have attended at least 3 race meeting this year.


I wont bother putting an entry in then

[dangerous]

The riders must have attended at least 3 race meeting this year.

I wont bother putting an entry in thensame... this is getting silly, as you all well may have guessed with my interest that I am ment to be attending, asked by wallace himself... Ill get back to him and get him the press to post whats what.

[Drew]

There's no chance I will have done three races by then. Looks like I'm out.

[jasonu]

:Oi: Just one thought, if the BOB is the main event of the day and the other racing is although important, but not the main reason for the majority of attending in buickett class. Why Not give all slow riders a yellow jacket for the "QUALIFYING" races and come to a collective community agreement to not lap anyone before the BOB so all that have made big efforts to attaned at least get to participate. Thinking outside of the box? If you cant beat the machine shen simply side step it!

This is not how i would like to see things done but in this world you do what you have to for the greater good.

If this Idea works i might add there is no reason why this same level of tolerance cant be applied to every race, not by banning lapping slow riders but by perhaps giving a little more consideration to slow riders you are lapping (if you are that fast of course).
:

Yes and while you are at it why not give trophys and lollypops to all that enter too.

[Skunk]

I have spoken (2nd hand) to Tony and the wording there is NOT what is intended.

The INTENT is to keep VERY slow (60-80kph max speed?) bikes out and riders who have not got a reasonable amount of skill. This is not a learner event is the meaning.

It's very badly worded is not intended to disqualify any average rider. Anyone from Wellington should have no issues with being able to race.

[dangerous]

There's no chance I will have done three races by then. Looks like I'm out.

Now look... having been to a bears meet today and spoken to wallace the bmrc pres yes they want extra slow people out BUT FFS he has worded the rules n regs concerning the BOB like he has cos he does not want confrontation at the track on the day.

ALL travelers will race ok, now I would have simply said that the right to refuse admition to the BOB is the organisers /stewards final word in stead off all this shit and enuendo.



as for skunk... thank you and people take note
I have spoken (2nd hand) to Tony and the wording there is NOT what is intended.

The INTENT is to keep VERY slow (60-80kph max speed?) bikes out and riders who have not got a reasonable amount of skill. This is not a learner event is the meaning.

It's very badly worded is not intended to disqualify any average rider. Anyone from Wellington should have no issues with being able to race.

[F5 Dave]

Yes so once all the emotional responses have petered down, lets just say there were some badly chosen words.


Of course they won't exclude people who haven't done 3 races this year (heck that would be me out & I came 4th last year).

The intention is not to be exclusionary, just to have a sensible approach to safety that gives them the right to say "C'mon, you haven't learnt to change gear yet" or your bike will barely touch 60kph.


I spoke to Tony Mac the wgtn guys will be just fine & they definitely want us to come down so please don't be put off.

. .. although we may have to slip them a $20 to exclude Drew once he's down there, -just to see what would happen:lol:. 10 min should be long enough to tell him it was a joke.



So that sorted, lets make some plans!!

[Grumph]

[QUOTE=gav;1130357468]The details of the accident were covered in this thread http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/150719-A-unique-problem-with-SI-Buckets

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The riders must have attended at least 3 race meeting this year.

I'll certify I've seen Kick and dangerous at at least 3 meetings this year....I assume neither of you want to ride at Greymouth for which of course you will have to have competed at 3 meetings.

[Kickaha]

I'll certify I've seen Kick and dangerous at at least 3 meetings this year....I assume neither of you want to ride at Greymouth for which of course you will have to have competed at 3 meetings.

:lol: I will be at Hampton downs that weekend, the rules don't state the meeting have to be done in the same calendar year anyway

[Drew]

. .. although we may have to slip them a $20 to exclude Drew once he's down there, -just to see what would happen:lol:. 10 min should be long enough to tell him it was a joke.





I'm not gonna be able to ride anyway, so it wouldn't be an issue.

[gav]

Yes, as covered above, the wording is in there to exclude a newbie who turns up and wants to race for the first time. Why the current president didnt just write something to the effect that the organisers have final say regarding competing, I'm not too sure.

I think it's time that BRMC had a new leader and hopefully after the BoB a new committee can be formed to help get the club back to where it was. And yes, I am prepared to take over the President role! :cool:

[F5 Dave]

I'm not gonna be able to ride anyway, so it wouldn't be an issue.Why not? Bike should be ready by then yeah?

[Drew]

Why not? Bike should be ready by then yeah?

Not enough money bro, same old same old.

[Kickaha]

Not enough money bro, same old same old.

You got three months to save up you big poof

[Drew]

You got three months to save up you big poof
We are coming down, but not bringing the bike. Deal with it.

[gav]

Bring ya riding gear, I'm sure we can sort you a bike ...

[Drew]

Bring ya riding gear, I'm sure we can sort you a bike ...

My reputation for crashing bikes will counter that. But I'll bring some gear just in case.

[jasonu]

. .. although we may have to slip them a $20 to exclude Drew once he's down there, -just to see what would happen:lol:.


$20 from bucket racers:killingme:killingme:killingme Now I've heard it all!!!

[Drew]

$20 from bucket racers:killingme:killingme:killingme Now I've heard it all!!!

It's not required anyway, everyone knows I'd start a fight, get my ass kicked, and then have to leave the event...lookin forward to it.

[dangerous]

I think it's time that BRMC had a new leader and hopefully after the BoB a new committee can be formed to help get the club back to where it was. And yes, I am prepared to take over the President role! :cool:
Your a hard c!@#t G.. I mean that in the nicest way ;)

Hey look I gave up this shit a year or so back but here I am helping sort it out. Wallace means well farking well every pres trys to make changes hell I did and a few hated me for it, but who bloody cears, not I LMFAO.

BRMC pres has been inlightened as far as how the NI'ers work/race and is trying his best to change the rules that were decided on last week, all I can say is take a deep breath all the BOB will rock and all will be there, Lockie the COC may ask some to drop out but I doubt it very much... relax and race ya pricks :headbang:

[Muzzab]

To get you in the mood for some Ruapuna track time here's a video from yesterdays racing.
It's from probably a B-Grade riders (might be be C grade heavens forbid) perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGEMYsTho0g&feature=youtu.be

Cheers
Muzza

[timg]

Just a reminder that the BOB is next Saturday. F4/Buckets are also eligable to run in the CAMS 150/250 class so plenty of racing. Sign on at 8am.

BEARS on Sunday.

An awesome weekend of racing :woohoo:

[F5 Dave]

Looking forward to this. Getting to this this year has involved many late nights & a lot more money than I'd hoped, so hopefully a good race meet.

[crazy man]

have fun guys .wish l could of gone but may cost me a tad to much

[oyster]

Hoogie 1st,2nd,3rd. All very close to the end. Lapped everyone else. And Matthew, the youngest, 2nd on the FXR, just to show the CBR's are no better.
CONGRATULATIONS!!

[Kickaha]

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[dangerous]

Hey there Pete, good ta see ya still about there and here... Yeah them young wee shits sure were moving, While I laped some 2-4 times they laped me 3 times, no idea were I came or even if anyone was keeping count.
Been 2yrs since I was on the track and fark am I saw, awesome effort by all (racers and organisers) and it is funny how they say "like riding a bike" cos after my absence it didnt take long before I was back in tune.

In other classes I was on a 400 Ducati (cheers AJturbo for the use) and hauled in a third (lost 2nd to a zzr4 due to a gear fuck up) and a first in a fun all in race, with a whellie as a victory lap (*reads dumb arse)
Back to reality with farking kids etc so see ya all in another 2yrs.




15 minutes into the main event... man, sorry but some one has to say it... fuck you are hard on gear, me thinks you need a Honda.

[richban]

Hoogie 1st,2nd,3rd. All very close to the end. Lapped everyone else. And Matthew, the youngest, 2nd on the FXR, just to show the CBR's are no better.
CONGRATULATIONS!!

Did Alastair pull the win again? Gutted I missed this year. Oh well next time.

[Grumph]

I'm sure Dave will explain what happened to him but he was best of the rest at the point the 100 cried enough...for the second time today.
The Hoogies were simply relentless...pressure on each other right to the end.
Very impressive.

[scumdog]

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Well done - I'm impressed!:laugh::shutup:

[timg]

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[richban]

Quick hone, bit of JB Weld and it'll be better than new :facepalm:

So did Alistair win?

[timg]

So did Alistair win? Yep. Alistair 1, Matthew 2, James 3, Hoogie trifecta

[bucketracer]

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Bummer .....

[F5 Dave]

Well here’s my sad tale, but in fact quite the opposite, strange I know.

Part 1 Saturday BOB

My day started at 2:30am sat morning when I woke & couldn’t get back to sleep, even though I needed to. Not to worry as I had to get up at 5:30 & drive into wellington to catch a plane where Skunk picked me up (ohh baby).

2 laps in & I was pushing from the far end of the track the humble push of shame. It’s a long way & I was pushing against time & I knew it.

As I got near the pits Yow Ling & Budha gestured to Ling’s spare bike & it was pushed over to my pit as I got there.

Head off & it was clear the head had been leaking.

The problem was when I’d put the bike together with different piston & destroked crank etc the stack up meant I needed to take a little off the barrel to correct things, but I don’t trust my lathe to hold the barrel so I spigoted the head, which in itself is actually a good way of positively locating the chamber, in fact my GasGas is done like that std. But it only needed 0.3mm step & when I put the head back on in the frame I must have ‘missed’. It sealed on the edge. . mostly. Worked ok on the dyno but let go with a couple of laps.

So it sucked air & seized pretty badly. The brand new piston was toast.

Sand paper the ally out took a good hour & put in the piston that I’d seized before & sanded down. This is now the most seizures I’ve had on a bike having raced for 24 years.

Put it back together with the crappy spare piston. I got out in a race on the spare bike & tried to re-learn the track. Not sure it helped.

Finally got my bike together & did an all in race to try run the piston into the heavily sanded bore which won’t be very round. Given time & some drain cleaner or acid it would have lifted the ally, but needs must. . .

It ran ok, but I was in a fluster trying to ride it. They then announced that they were running a bit late so next race would be the BOB. Oh crap.

I cheekily positioned myself on the front row with the Hoogies. I started well & got to the Hairpin braking marker first & promptly got lost. The young lads are fast & it doesn’t matter if you’re on a fast bike, you have to bring you’re A game if you’re going to beat them. I was D minus. One slipped by. Then another.

Then comes the Freddie Spencer excuse. Seriously, my left contact went walkabouts. I was blinking & blinking to try get it to come back. I seriously considered stopping then as I was a bit over the place. I just hoped the camera on the back of the tailpiece of I think Matts bike wasn’t rolling. The 3 lads gapped me but after a couple of laps my eye almost felt ok. The bike was stuttering. Oh super!

On lap 5 my eye was back to normal. I’ve raced with contacts for 24 years & never had an issue. The bike started to run a bit cleaner.

I tried to press on, I could see James bike which sticks out coming back the S’s when I was on the straight, but couldn’t make any impression. Worse he was slipping away bit by bit. I find it hard to change my riding style mid race, but at least I knew where the track went now. My plan had been in the prelims to learn the fast way out of the hairpin &, well, everywhere else.

Then the bike went off song & I was only riding to destruction so I found a path back to the pits. My watch said I’d almost made ½ way. Went to watch from the bank. Matt & James had a good tussle but Alistair had it tied up pretty well under control.

If the bike had kept running I would have been a lonely 4th (again). No chance of catching the front & no one behind that I could tell.

I then went out on the Ling RG250 TF100 they had lent me. It had felt alien the first time & slow. In fact stdish FXRs puffed it off.

But it started to click & I started to trust it. I was catching & passing bikes that were much stronger on the straights & started to have a ball. This slow old bike made my day & Thanks Heaps to Mike for lending it to me. No wonder Bren likes his RG frame. for long cct at least I'd use one, I don't think the RS was any better handing, just different.

Alistair wasn’t going to be riding sunday & he had also offered to loan me the winning CBR to race. Anyone who thinks they are ‘spoiled kids’ haven’t spent any time with them, they’re actually good guys, I was impressed as many young blokes are surly outside their usual clique.

Diesel & his Dad Stephen had a mate Garth show up & he’s the dude who does the machining for them. He kindly offered to shave the step off the head for me that night. They took the head away & called a couple of times to check details. Turns out it was a bit warped probably from being run while stuck on the edge for so long.

We went back to Tonys where we were staying again & had a few drinks & a slap up steak meal. And then probably a few too many wines. . . . Well maybe that was just me.

[F5 Dave]

Ok Sunday pt 2


I awoke surprisingly fresh but we had heaps of time as it was a Bears fun day & started at 12.

We got there 10:30 & the guys had brought back my head all flat so I put it together. Almost failed scrutineering as there was oil over the back of the bike. Wiped it off but it must have been residue from the leaking head.

The 3 Hoogies weren’t there & it was clear I could do whatever I wanted. But I started to ride better. I found a new line through the hairpin where I wasn’t off the power so long & it was working for me. The bike was running well & I was riding a whole heap better. This is how I should have turned up to the start of the BOB.

There was only a few races but it was fun passing people & letting them back past again & turning it up again.

The last race I let everyone go & was waiting till they got to about the hairpin & started off. My right footpeg wasn’t there. Arrgh, what do I do, do I pull out. . . nah there’s the folding stub & I’ve come this way so I might as well enjoy the ride. I did feel foolish as the starters must have thought what a plonker as the extra delay looking around for the peg meant I’d never catch up. But I just enjoy riding that ‘B’ track at Ruapuna.

I was later told I’d done a 1.01 which apparently is pointy end competitive but I had more left & a footpeg would have helped the confidence over the hill.

That hill is great fun & the corner following. I still need to work on being smoother but harder on the throttle there.

So it was a great trip. I will have to pay it back on the card a bit, but you only get one life & these are good times. What really blew me away was the generosity of the SI guys, ribbing aside they helped us poor hapless souls & that was probably the part that made the trip for me.

Thanks to Andrew and Leigh for organising the transport & making sandwiches etc, with my little kids I had to fly in & out sat/sun. To everyone who didn’t come, you missed a great race & should really make sure you start planning & doing rather than talking about it.

This is a far more fun race than the GP (& I’ll always do those) & is cheap entry & good times. Usually held Sept or October it is worth planning to make the trip. Just don’t leave it to poor Skunk to try organise again.

Flight back into Wellington wasn’t so fun, but what a great weekend.

[andrew a]

Bummer about the bike Dave. Well done to the hoogies. Would have loved to come down but the days didnt work for me. Was Nick not there? I'm shure Cam was missed also.
Caleb is enjoying the Gas Gas. He road A last outing. He got 4th.

[F5 Dave]

Nick has moved to Auckland, his dad rode the bike, on sunday at least. Yes there were a few #26s on the side of bikes & Cam Restart Coffee labels.

- 4th in A grade on my old Gasser? Heck the bike will be scared, I certainly could never ride it to that level.

[gav]

Brendan didn't ride either, still licking his wounds after his new bike seized and spat him off while testing.

[Muzzab]

Had a hoot on my RGV-FXR, still can't walk properly today, after all the racing Saturday and the BEARS round Sunday and then a 4 1/2 hour drive home via the Lewis pass, legs just not functioning. Really enjoying riding the bike, found a couple of folk to battle with in the sprint races, in the BoB ended up by myself for most of the race except when getting lapped by the hoogies and less often by others, but starting to trust the tyres and working on trying to hang off a bit in the corners and trying different lines and maintain corner speed.
A long race is so cool, with a 6 or so lap race you just get into the swing of it and it's over, 55 minutes is just awesome. :yes:

[richban]

Brendan didn't ride either, still licking his wounds after his new bike seized and spat him off while testing.


Please tell me it was the 2 stroke. Surly he didn't seize an FXR?

[Kickaha]

Surly he didn't seize an FXR?

Yes he did and another one did the same in practice and spat someone else off

[F5 Dave]

These 4 strokes eh?

[Yow Ling]

Yea 4 big ends in 2 weeks,(mat hoogie, hank, josh and bren) after Akunar pistons the biggest FXR killer out there.
But lets not let a good story get in the way of the truth, hes sick !

[Buddha#81]

Well like all how can ya not have a cracker day at one of these meetings. A couple of weeks back the decision was made to give the FXR donk a freshen up. The old motor was rebuilt a couple of seasons ago and as the std pistion was mint it went back in with new rings. it was a stdish rebuild and I was having to ride the wheels off the poor thing to keep up with skinnier rider or/and more powerful bikes.

Up stepped Bren and he ordered a new performance o/s piston and hot cams. The engine came apart and the cylinder went off to Mr Ling for the rebore while Bren split the cases to put the balance shaft back in to try and eliminate the tzr frame from cracking.

We reassembled the engine to a standard state of tune and i put a couple of heat cycles through it and changed the oil, last saturday bren and i went out to run thebike in and tune his........we all know the end result so I had to do KOR rd 1 without really getting it sorted. I had a few issue on Sunday and ended up riding Lings bike for most of the day.....I did get mine going for the last race and was pretty happy with the end result even though it still had some sorting.

Well other than changing the front sprocket for B track, I never had a chance to do anything to the bike for BOB so i had to ride it as is. The sprint races in the morning showed promise and i didnt seem to be losing out on anyone but the hoogies.

The BOB started for me on the 4th row and after the first few corners i could see ahead the three Hoogies were clearing out (no surprises there) with dave in hot pursuit. I latched onto the back of Hank and Chris and and let them set the pace for the 1st 10-15 minutes, unfortuatly i got balked by three backmarkers and Chris and Hank gapped me and that was them gone, I found the rest of the race a bit lonely and kept my pace by setting goals. The first was to lap Kick which I just managed before he destroyed another engine. Dangerous and Andy mac tick, Josh tick, Mr ling tick. Unfortunatly the oko carbs have a small fault in the fact that it starves for gas when the fuel level drops in the TZR tank and with 10 min to go i was having to short shift otherwise it would run the bowl dry on the back straight. This allowed Hank to lap me on the second to last lap, only to fall into the FXR crank pin failure on the last lap and DNFed. Ling passed me on the final corner and unlapped himself.
So 5th overall, same lap as Chris in 4th (great ride man!) and other than Yow Ling, I lapped everone behind me. Bloody happy for a bike that still can be developed more.

Thanks Bren and Mike for your efforts leading up to BOB

[Ghost_Bullet]

Hey, I posted some crap on another site and this is what was said.

What a cracker day it was, the body is aching...deep heat would have no show in fixing this body.
Loved it loved it, the racing appeared thick and fast.
I got me carb cable late Friday, fitted and watched plenty of you tube clips to get a jist on what I needed to do to get it right..... Once I was done with it, it was not right. REvvvvvving like a right prick. Got that bit sorted after the first couple of races, Though would only rev to around 11k unless blown by the Wester to snatch at 12k. So some work to do re the carb settings.
The race before the BOB the bloody carb cable I got done the day before gave way... I did say "FUCK", Wallace was me hero, gas soldered the thing back together and into the BOB with admittedly ginger throttle movement just in case I made it break again.
The BOB was awesome... got lapped a few times... tried diff lines, forgot what I was doing... became a little vacant, woke up and it was all over. The races after that were awesome, getting a better feel for the FXR every time I jump aboard.

Rockin' Not able to make it to the BEARS round on Sunday... but I sure feel I have had my full.

Cheers to all the peoples that did the shit that got the day to happen.

And now we are a few days past the even that was, the mammaries are awesome. Hang about memories:msn-wink:

[Sketchy_Racer]

Yes he did and another one did the same in practice and spat someone else off

Buy an FXR they said, it will be fun they said....:laugh:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/05/jorge_lorenzo_highside.jpg

[Grumph]

I've been telling some of the FXR developers that 4mm rollers in a big end are not high performance parts....

To change to either 3.5mm rollers or a plain big end will require some commitment however.
It can be done and I suppose it will eventually have to be done.

[Kickaha]

It can be done and I suppose it will eventually have to be done.

I'm not sure that it will, it'll just become a "lifed" item once someone works out how many km can be done before they die

[Buddha#81]

I'm not sure that it will, it'll just become a "lifed" item once someone works out how many km can be done before they die

well I did in excess of 4500 race km plus the racing Sketchy put on it before i owned it. The only reason the rod kit was done due to a bent valve, it was on borrowed time the cage was in bit and was ready to go. I dont think any of the replaced rod kits have failed......so the jury is out on that one.

[Kickaha]

well I did in excess of 4500 race km plus the racing Sketchy put on it before i owned it..
Think that one I bought that you didn't want had 40K + road Kms on it then I thrashed it for a couple of seasons before I sold it

Mr Ling said he hasn't seen one go twice yet

[Drew]

I'm not sure that it will, it'll just become a "lifed" item once someone works out how many km can be done before they dieI'll swap three GT125 motors for an FXR150 still.

[crazy man]

I'll swap three GT125 motors for an FXR150 still.just give me a motor:niceone:

[Drew]

just give me a motor:niceone:
Didn't I see a video recently of yours running just fine? Waddaya need another one for?

[dangerous]

I dont think any of the replaced rod kits have failed......so the jury is out on that one.Mine did, did it not, or was it a pistn failer that broke the rod, shit I cant remember...
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[crazy man]

Didn't I see a video recently of yours running just fine? Waddaya need another one for?just to build a spare motor. l can't remenber whats is lyeing in the sheds l know l have a Ls2 yammy twin 100 there l should do somthing with it one day

[Drew]

just to build a spare motor. l can't remenber whats is lyeing in the sheds l know l have a Ls2 yammy twin 100 there l should do somthing with it one dayTell ya what, since I'm such a good bastard, I'll come over and go through your shed. Then I'll do something with the stuff I take.:msn-wink:

[crazy man]

Tell ya what, since I'm such a good bastard, I'll come over and go through your shed. Then I'll do something with the stuff I take.:msn-wink:you will get lost lol

[richban]

Mine did, did it not, or was it a pistn failer that broke the rod, shit I cant remember...
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Rods really hardly ever break. Mine cut a hole though the engine but did not snap. Cheap shit pistons that may or many not tap the valve will die for sure.

[timg]

just give me a motor:niceone: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=512288269

[dangerous]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=512288269shit Tim, ya know what will happen aye? it will sell then next meeting ya engine will blow :bye:

[SS90]

I've been telling some of the FXR developers that 4mm rollers in a big end are not high performance parts....

To change to either 3.5mm rollers or a plain big end will require some commitment however.
It can be done and I suppose it will eventually have to be done.

Perhaps you can answer this for me Greg, If someone was to change from roller big end to plain metal bearings would the oil pressure then not have to be altered, I always thought white metal bearings where more sensitive to correct oil pressure, and while most people realise what too much will do on rollers, I was under the impression that plain metal required less pressure again than rollers.
Am I correct in this?

[Grumph]

Perhaps you can answer this for me Greg, If someone was to change from roller big end to plain metal bearings would the oil pressure then not have to be altered, I always thought white metal bearings where more sensitive to correct oil pressure, and while most people realise what too much will do on rollers, I was under the impression that plain metal required less pressure again than rollers.
Am I correct in this?

Still asking leading questions eh....

Yes, as Irving put it, there's an optimum amount of oil for a roller bearing, which cannot be directly related to pressure. Most roller systems run at around 2 - 5 psi but quite good volumes.
Plain bearings require much higher pressure and volume. Any plain bearing conversion would require some serious looking at oil pump rotor widths as a start. A better (more positive) feed into the crank may also be needed. It's possible and not that hard.
Having said that, British twins have survived for years on around 40psi and dodgy feed arrangements...

There's at least one rod out there with a 30mm pin and 3.5mm rollers though - just a lighter roller bearing would probably lengthen big end life significantly. But I suppose given the choice between longer big end life or the possibility of revving it harder, most would use more revs and accept a component life similar to current use.

[ajturbo]

Hoogie 1st,2nd,3rd. All very close to the end. Lapped everyone else. And Matthew, the youngest, 2nd on the FXR, just to show the CBR's are no better.
CONGRATULATIONS!!

these guys lapped me every 5-6 laps :facepalm:

[timg]

shit Tim, ya know what will happen aye? it will sell then next meeting ya engine will blow :bye: If people do what they say they will there'll only be a KTM in my shed by the end of the week and I don't think an FXR engine will be much help it that blows :eek:

[bigreddog]

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[Muzzab]

Thanks for posting up the pic's, only ones I've seen so far.

Cheers
Muzza