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FastBikeGear
21st June 2012, 10:47
All you need to know about feeding and caring for your lithium batery

Most lithium automotive batteries on the market today are Lithium Ion batteries that use Iron Phosphate LiFePO4 e (LiFePO4) as the cathode material. In the past manny motorcycles were fitted with either lead acid batteries in recent years most lead acid batteries used in motorcycles were the maintenance free gel cell type.

Disclosure: FastBikeGear sells the Dutch made Ultrabatt Lithium motorcycle batteries. These are the same brand of batteries used by several Formula One teams for their KERs systems. I have a background in electronics (New Zealand Certificate of Engineering) and have designed several electronic accessories for motorcycles. I spent some time researching lithium batteries for motorcycles and assessed many suppliers battery technologies before we chose a brand to distribute in New Zealand. Initially this was a frustrating exercise, because while there are many advantages to Lithium batteries there are several potential and serious issues with Lithium batteries, luckily all of which can be addressed.

Lithium batteries are becoming the first choice for replacement motorcycle batteries and offer many advantages including :
- Extremely light weight! For example a typical 16 amp/hour battery weighs 5kg. A typical replacement Lithium battery weighs an amazing 0.728 kgs (complete with the built in Battery Management System).
- Very high cranking amperage. The UltraLite 400 mentioned above has a rating of 240 CCA. (By comparison the Cold Cranking Amps of a typical 14 amp/hour battery fitted to bike a Ducati 1198 is typically just 175 CCA.)
- Ability to hold a charge for extended periods of inactivity. They have a very low self-discharge. A lithium battery could sit on a shelf uncharged for a year and still be able to start the motorcycle.
- Very small size a typical 240CCA battery has a size of just 114 x 62 x81mm (LXWXH). This means the battery can be packaged in alternative locations on your bike where a normal lead acid battery would not fit.
- Very fast charging times typicall a discharge battery can be fully recharged in 1-2 hours compared to minutes! By comparison a discharged lead acid battery will take over 12 hours to charge to full capacity.
- Economics. Good Lithium batteries with built in BMS systems typically cost twice as much as good quality lead acid batteries they have predicted life spans of 5-10 years. If charged regularly with a BMS (Battery Management System system) If not the lifespan can actually be less than a lead acid battery.

As mentioned before there are several potential and serious issues with Lithium batteries,
- Potentially premature failure due to , unbalanced cell charging.
- Bricking (becoming so flat that it cannot be recharged)
- Thermal runaway, rapid and excessive temperature build up (if the individual cells voltage are not evenly balanced while being charged on the bike) ...with sometimes catastrophic results.

Thankfully the technology exists to eliminate these issues.
Why do lithium batteries need cell balancing during the charging process? With all types of batteries the faster each cell charges the hotter it gets. Charging cells to quickly greatly reduces the lifetime of any type of battery.

As each cell in a lead acid battery charges, the internal resistance of the cell increases. If one cell begins to charge faster than the others, it's higher resistance slows down it's charge rate in comparison to the other cells. Hence cells in lead acid batteries automatically limit their charge rate and balance with each other as they charge.

As the cells in a Lithium battery charge the opposite occurs, as each cell in a Lithium charges, the internal resistance of the cell decreases. If one cell begins to charge faster than the others, it's lower resistance further speeds up it's charge rate in comparison to the other cells which further decreases it resitance and further increases it's charging rate. Hence cells in Lithium batteries do not automatically balance with each other as they charge.

As the cells charge → they heat up → their resistance decreases → which further speeds up their charge rate → which means they further heat up

This thermal runaway cycle can quickly cause catastrophic and dramatic temperature induced failure. This is why lithium batteries without in-built BMS cell balancing are not legal for road use in some countries and why some radio controlled car clubs insist that Lithium batteries used to power the cars are charged in explosive prove containers at club meetings.

Most Lithium battery manufacturers recommend that if their Lithium battery does not have a built in BMS circuitry that you also purchase an external BMS charger when you purchase their Lithium batteries and that you use this to regularly charge your Lithium battery from 230V wall outlet. This plan works well if your using it on a race bike use in a total loss system to save weight (No alternator or regulator on the bike) and just recharge your bike between races with the external BMS system.

A built-in BMS systems eliminates the need for an external BMS system and can provide full protection while the battery is being used on the bike and being charged by the bikes standard charging system.

On-board BMS systems provide:

1. Cell balancing and over voltage protection: You can charge the battery safely with the bikes alternator and you will never need to balance the cells with an external BMS system.

2. Complete discharge protection: You never have to worry about the battery bricking (getting so flat that it is impossible to re charge it.)

3. Short protection: Over current protection.

With an inbuilt BMS system you are assured of much higher safety while actually riding the bike and charging from the bikes alternator, not just when you are charging it at home with a 230V with an external battery BMS charger.

Q. Why can't Lithium batteries be charged by a standard automotive workshop trickle charger?
A. As the cells in a lead acid battery charge the internal resistance of each cell increases, the current decreases and the voltage across the cells slowly rises over many hours. Lead acid batteries like to be charged slowly with a constant low current while the charging voltage is steadily increased. Automotive workshop trickle chargers and smart chargers are specifically designed to suit these charging characteristics.

As the cells in a Lithium battery charge the opposite occurs, Instead of the internal resistance of each cell increasing it decreases. By contrast to Lead acid battteries, Lithium batteries like to be charged quickly with a constant voltage and a moderately high current.


Q Can you charge a Lithium battery while riding with a standard motorcycle charging system
A: It depends: The best way to charge your Lithium battery is with your motorcycle charging system. Modern motorcycles charging system employ a constant voltage regulator that can supply a moderately high current, which as noted above is the perfect charging regime for a Lithium battery. However as we will see further on if you intend to charge your Lithium battery on your bike it is important that your battery has a built in BMS system so that you do not encounter potentially hazardous situations with thermal runaway.

Before installing a Lithium battery on your bike you should also ensure (using a voltmeter across your battery terminals with your bike running at about 3000 rpm) that your motorcycle’s regulating system is functioning correctly and its voltage output is regulated to no more than 14.7 volts.


What else do you need to know about caring for your Lithium battery?
Not a lot actually but the following should be useful and perhaps even interesting information.

Cold Cranking Amps: CCA is a measure of a batteries ability to turn your starter motor over quickly. You should select a replacement battery that has the same or more CCA as your existing battery. The CCA rating is the most important criteria for selecting a battery that will meet your requirements.

Amp Hours: Is a measure of the storage capacity of a battery or how much charge it can hold. It is of little importance unless you operate the electrics of your bike while the engine is not running and charging the battery on your bike. If your motorcycle has a higher current draw when the bike is not being ridden due to being fitted with an immobilizer system, clock, electronic dash, or other accessories that continue to consume your batteries capacity when the key is turned off then you may need to select a battery with a higher amp hour storage capacity.

Self-Discharge rate: The self-discharge rate is a measure of how quickly your battery loses capacity when it is sitting on a shelf or plugged into a motorcycle that is not drawing any current when the ignition is switched off. Ultrabatt batteries have an extremely low discharge rate of just 3% of their capacity every month. A normal lead acid battery will have a much higher self-discharge rate even when new and a lead acid battery that is half way through its service life will typically have a monthly self-discharge rate of higher that 15%-40%.

Charge time: Lithium batteries (especially those with built in Battery Management Systems) have extremely fast charge times. Typically within 5 minutes of starting your motorcycle your battery will have fully recovered the capacity that was used in starting your bike. A discharged Lithium motorcycle battery can typically be charged with the external 3 amp charger in just 1-2 hours. By comparison a discharged lead acid battery will take over 12 hours to charge to full capacity.

Cost comparison Lead Acid Vs Ultrabatt : A typical good quality motorcycle lead acid battery will cost approximately two and half times less than a good quality Lithium battery such as an Ultrabatt with a built in BMS system. Typically a lead acid battery in a motorcycle will only provide between 2 & 4 years of good service. Many riders replace their batteries every 3 years. In addition due to the high self-discharge rates of lead acid batteries and the periodic use of motorcycles most experienced motorcycle owners usually purchase a smart charger to maintain and condition their lead acid batteries. Good quality smart chargers such as the CTEK units (which FastBikeGear also sells) typically cost as much as the purchase price of the battery. However a Lithium battery with a built-in BMS provides a potentially very long service life (more than 5 years).
Many owners will discover a lithium battery will work out to be the cheapest option to own while they enjoy the benefits of extremely light weight, very low self-self discharge in between rides and fast starting.

Winter Storage: To store your battery off-season measure the voltage to make sure it is fully charged, 13.2 volts or greater - recharge if necessary. Disconnect the negative battery cable to prevent any parasitic current drain by you motorcycle - or store the battery separately from motorcycle. It is a good idea to occasionally measure the voltage of your battery while in storage. If you wish to charge you battery while in storage we recommend taking your bike for a short run or use a purpose built Lithium battery charger (Like the Ultrabatt 300). Do not use a lead acid battery trickle charger.

p.dath
21st June 2012, 11:09
I'm just thinking about the most recent regulator failure I had. It kept pumping up the output voltage as I increased the RPM.

So what actually happens if you expose these units to overvolatge scenarios, say 20V for say a couple of hours at a time?

The lightweight of the battery is obviously a big positive those trying to reduce wait, but I'm also not keen to to be engulfed in a fireball due to sudden and rapid thermal battery failure. :)

Also, what happens during a crash? Are they relatively safe from sudden explosive rupture?

bogan
21st June 2012, 11:12
Have you got info on how advanced the various BMSs are? are they microcontroller based? or just a few resistors and zener diodes? Cell temperature sensing?

If I was buying another, a significantly better BMS might make me change brands.

Edbear
21st June 2012, 11:32
Have you got info on how advanced the various BMSs are? are they microcontroller based? or just a few resistors and zener diodes? Cell temperature sensing?

If I was buying another, a significantly better BMS might make me change brands.

:spanking::spanking: :nono: :rolleyes:

FastBikeGear
21st June 2012, 11:34
I'm just thinking about the most recent regulator failure I had. It kept pumping up the output voltage as I increased the RPM.

So what actually happens if you expose these units to overvolatge scenarios, say 20V for say a couple of hours at a time?

The lightweight of the battery is obviously a big positive those trying to reduce wait, but I'm also not keen to to be engulfed in a fireball due to sudden and rapid thermal battery failure. :)

Also, what happens during a crash? Are they relatively safe from sudden explosive rupture?

p.dath, trust you to come up with excellent questions!!

Lead acid batteries produce hydrogen gas under some circumstances such as over charging. Also if you battery is getting near the end of it's life it will not come up to full voltage and the regulator will continue pumping current into it and the battery will produce hydrogen continuously.

Hydrogen is explosive to see how explosive a lead acid battery is when being over charged have a look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_TnsHu2u4c

Lithium batteries can overheat and catch fire when overcharged. This is why having a BMS built into the battery that provides over voltage protection is essential to safe use on a motorcycle.

Would I use a Lithium battery on a bike without an inbuilt BMS system...hell no!

Would I want to over charge a lead acid battery on a motorcycle ....hell no!
(Its a good idea to check the performance of your voltage regulator and the state of your lead acid battery regularly).


In an accident it is not desirable if any type of battery gets ruptured. If a lead acid battery ruptures in an accident the impact will spray sulphuric acid around and may release a small amount of explosive hydrogen gas into and environment replete with sparks...in the words of the Rena captain this environment might be deemed sub optimal!

You can see what happens to a lithium battery when it is shot multiple time by an assault rifle here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MurWC6lQKZk. It is not so dramatic as a lead acid battery exploding but it might catch fire.

FastBikeGear
21st June 2012, 12:07
Have you got info on how advanced the various BMSs are? are they microcontroller based? or just a few resistors and zener diodes? Cell temperature sensing?

If I was buying another, a significantly better BMS might make me change brands.

Bogan, yes Ultrabatt use quite a sophisticated microprocessor controlled circuit. You can see a picture of the circuit board on our facebook page here http://www.facebook.com/FastBikeGear/photos

bogan
21st June 2012, 12:21
Bogan, yes Ultrabatt use quite a sophisticated microprocessor controlled circuit. You can see a picture of the circuit board on our facebook page here http://www.facebook.com/FastBikeGear/photos

Yup, fanciest one I've seen yet! Can't see how it does the low voltage cut from that photo angle, but I guess either a big FET or relay is in there so the load (bike) can be disconnected?

FastBikeGear
25th June 2012, 10:41
Yup, fanciest one I've seen yet! Can't see how it does the low voltage cut from that photo angle, but I guess either a big FET or relay is in there so the load (bike) can be disconnected?

Bogan, sorry for the delay in answering but I wanted to confirm with Ultrabatt. Their response to your query follows....note Dutch is their first language, so the English is not perfect.

"We use innovative MICROCHIP technology no other powersports battery are using which makes Ultrabatt batteries unique and years ahead of anything else.
Following functions: Cell balancing, low voltage protection, over voltage protection, short protection, high cycle performance and safety functions.
This is why our batteries are most reliable and have longest service life.
If you would use our lithium batteries on normal day use you can use them for more than 10 years. (based on lab tests)
Low voltage protection etc. is done by the microprocessor. It uses IC control to monitor battery status and if any issue happens, IC will turn on a MOSFET or a Relay."

Ultrabatts microchip BMS circuitry is obviously proprietary intellectual property and gives them a huge technical advantage over Lithium batteries that have only basic inboard Battery Management System, circuitry or manufacturers with early 1st generation Lithium motorcycle batteries that had no in-built BMS! Consequently to protect their Intellectual Property they have not provided us with detailed circuit information, so I can't give you more detail than this. I will speculate however and say that it could be they use relays (think solenoid) to cut high current (starter motor currents) and MOSFETs to cut current draw during lower current operation (ignition system, lighting and accessories). As I say this is just our speculation.

bogan
25th June 2012, 13:52
Thanks for the response, very comprehensive, though there is one bit I still don't quite understand.


Low voltage protection etc. is done by the microprocessor. It uses IC control to monitor battery status and if any issue happens, IC will turn on a MOSFET or a Relay."

Does this bit mean you need to wire in an external mosfet or relay to deal with undervoltage issues? I'm just thinking about it from a total loss (race or electric bike application), where it would be really handy if the battery shut itself off just before dangerous levels of discharge.

FastBikeGear
25th June 2012, 14:40
Thanks for the response, very comprehensive, though there is one bit I still don't quite understand.


Does this bit mean you need to wire in an external mosfet or relay to deal with undervoltage issues? I'm just thinking about it from a total loss (race or electric bike application), where it would be really handy if the battery shut itself off just before dangerous levels of discharge.

Bogan if you keep asking these really good questions someone is going to think we are paying you! (We are not ...and no you can not have a discount!)

No!! with the second generation Lithium batteries that have built in BMS systems (Like the Ultrabatt batteries) this function is built-in to the battery. This is why the Ultrabatts are much smarter and represent such good $$$ value.

FURTHER INFO FOR THE TECHNICALLY MINDED: If you were using one of the early generation Lithium batteries that don't have a BMS system built in to the battery you could try and achieve the same functionality with an external BMS system wired into the bike. (I don't know of anyone selling one of these so you would have to design and develop your own). However doing it within the battery has two key technical advantages 1. because the BMS can monitor the voltage of each individual cell (rather than the whole battery pack) and 2. because of the way you would need to do it externally ....you would need a very high current capable Mosfet or relay/solenoid (Remember that a 2000W starter motor would be drawing in excess of a 150 amps). Doing it internally in the battery allows you to have individual cut outs between cells which mean that each cut out device only needs to handle the total current divided by the number of cells. For obvious reasons I can't confirm or deny that the individual cell cut out method is the approach taken by Ultrabatt. A huge amount of the development costs in electrical vehicles like the Prius, Volt and Mission electric bike is in the Battery Management Systems that are designed to maximimise the life of the batteries. Most of the Lithium batteries used in hybrids and electric vehicles are supplied by just 3 or 4 companies. The magic is in how you package them and in the BMS systems. One of the key problems with Lithium powersport batteries for use in Jet Skis and motorbikes is how you interconnect the cells. The traditional method is to screw or solder the connections on to the cells. Both methods are potentially problematic when subjected to vibrations and impacts and have stopped at least one Lithium battery supplier in New Zealand from supplying Lithium batteries for use in these types of vehicles. Screws work loose and soldering is just too weak. Welding would be great but in the past the heat generated in the process would damage the cells. Failure stories and caution over this issue was one of the key factors why we didn't jump into the Motorcycle Lithium battery market. Ultrabatt have addressed this issue by using laser welding technology which is extremely fast and pinpoint so that they get the benefit of welding without excessive heat soak....I am told that the technol0gy required to do this is expensive but no doubt the initial costs for this equipment funded by purchases from the Formula 1 teams using the Ultrabatts.

imdying
25th June 2012, 14:56
Yup, what he has said is true, and if you really care about size/weight and reliability/safety, then a battery with an onboard BMS is the only choice.

Power tools avoid this by exposing all of the cells via their multipin connector, as do RC toys.

THundy
17th August 2013, 16:18
Hi,

I am a frustrated owner of an 09 EFI Bonneville. I like many others have had trouble getting enough power from the battery to turn over the bike.
I purchased a $300 UltraBatt which I believe should have plenty of power.

My question really is how long to I need to run the bike to get 100% charge

The new out of the box wouldn,t start the bike, but a push start did the trick and after 10 mins , the starter would work...

Just tried to crank over again and only a tick! tick!

Help, are these lithium batteries gonna help??

FastBikeGear
17th August 2013, 16:49
Hi,

I am a frustrated owner of an 09 EFI Bonneville. I like many others have had trouble getting enough power from the battery to turn over the bike.
I purchased a $300 UltraBatt which I believe should have plenty of power.

My question really is how long to I need to run the bike to get 100% charge

The new out of the box wouldn,t start the bike, but a push start did the trick and after 10 mins , the starter would work...

Just tried to crank over again and only a tick! tick!

Help, are these lithium batteries gonna help??

Did you get an Ultrabatt UB400 or UB600?

A UB400 is rated at 240 cranking amps and a UB600 is rated at 360 CCA. You should always select a lithium battery that has the same or more cranking amps than the legacy lead acid battery it replaces. You can readily look up the CCA rating for any battery on the Internet.

The Ultrabatt's charge extremely quickly on your bike compared to legacy lead acid chemistry batteries. A flat Ultrabatt battery will fully charge on your bike in about 20 minutes... if your bike charging circuit is charging correctly.

An Ultabatt will loose very little of it's cranking amps sitting on a shelf. You should be able to take a battery that is fully charged, stick it on a shelf for a year in storage and then stick it back in your bike and still be able to start your bike with it...without the need to charge it.

If you find that your battery is loosing the ability to start your bike between rides then check your bike is not drawing parasitic power from the battery when the key is turned off. You can do this by disconnecting one lead of your battery and inserting an amp meter between the baterty and the lead and measure any parasitic current with the key turned off.

If you have any further questions please feel free to call us, the importers on 0275 985266 or 09 8346655 for free phone support and we will help you troubleshoot the issue.

Finally it is extremely unlikely that your battery is faulty but for your total piece of mind Ultrabatt's are covered by our two year warranty

Liam Venter
FastBikeGear

FastBikeGear
5th September 2013, 16:51
Lithium battery technology has moved on since I wrote the first post in this thread 14 months ago.

There have been substantial steps forward in Lithium cell and battery technology over this short period of time.

We are currently revising our "All you need to know about caring for your lithium battery' guide and a new version of this will shortly be uploaded to our web site.

The new guide will be available here (http://www.fastbikegear.co.nz/index.php?main_page=page&id=18&chapter=1)

jonbuoy
5th September 2013, 23:53
Lithium battery technology has moved on since I wrote the first post in this thread 14 months ago.

There have been substantial steps forward in Lithium cell and battery technology over this short period of time.

We are currently revising our "All you need to know about caring for your lithium battery' guide and a new version of this will shortly be uploaded to our web site.

The new guide will be available here (http://www.fastbikegear.co.nz/index.php?main_page=page&id=18&chapter=1)

Have you tried testing the Ultrabatts in an overvoltage situation yet? Does the BMS attempt to crowbar the voltage down or does it just disconnect the cells?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowbar_(circuit)

FastBikeGear
6th September 2013, 00:30
Have you tried testing the Ultrabatts in an overvoltage situation yet? Does the BMS attempt to crowbar the voltage down or just it just disconnect the cells?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowbar_(circuit)

Jonbuoy no need for me to test. But yes the test was actually done a long time ago.

I know what It does in that situation and how it is done. Yes I know what a crowbar circuit is ( and not a bad idea either). You could even house it within the battery.

Call me and I will tell you how Ultrabatt have achieved it. I am up for the next 10 minutes numbers below.

No batteries or bikes on fire
No ECU damaged by the batteries actions that we have ever heard of anywhere in the world.

jonbuoy
6th September 2013, 01:43
What was the result of the test? Erm I donīt really see a need to phone you to discuss?