On Strike

[Keystone19]

Apparently, I'm on strike for the next three hours. Well, kind of, a two hour stop work meeting followed by a one hour strike. Does this mean I can spend the entire three hours on KB :devil2: or should I accompany my fellow strikers at the stop work meeting and the picketing later on outside the University?

[WRT]

This should be a poll . . .

We all know whats in it for you if you stay and browse, but whats in it for you if you go and strike?

[SixPackBack]

Apparently, I'm on strike for the next three hours. Well, kind of, a two hour stop work meeting followed by a one hour strike. Does this mean I can spend the entire three hours on KB :devil2: or should I accompany my fellow strikers at the stop work meeting and the picketing later on outside the University?

Do you agree with the strike? if so support it, if not browse :yes:

[Lou Girardin]

Slolidarity Sister!.Up the workers and all that.

[Ixion]

A one hour strike ? That's hardly going to bring the capitalist imperialist running dogs to their knees is it ?

Demonstrate the solidarity of the oppressed proletariat. Browse KB. We're oppressed anyway, and I'm a prole.

Can I sign you up for the revolution ? While cowards flinch, and traitors sneer, we'll keep the red flag flying here.

[Beemer]

Sounds like the cue for a long and liquid lunch to me!

[Motu]

We always went to the pub when we were on strike....ah,those were the days,when Unions had the power to control the country...real working men in charge,not politians.

[bugjuice]

one word - solitare!!!! no one gets bored of that..

[Lou Girardin]

Bring back Tom Skinner!

[justsomeguy]

Well little girl unless you are hungover or sick, I suggest you go visit your kiddos teacher for an important chat about your childs future.

You know the one - the teacher who lives in Hellensville...... or was it down 22....or the local who lives on 5678 Scenic Drive.:devil2: ...(hehehe I said scenic drive:love: )

[Keystone19]

Well, a two hour stop work meeting resulted in cancellation of the strike. So, guess it's back to work for me...

Having said that, the argument is for a 5% pay rise and the formation of a MECA so that all University staff can bargain collectively nationally. I support this, however today's meeting resolved to postpone things until August 19th as apparently our Vice Chancellor has said nice things to the unioin lately. :scratch:

Still, might have to do a go slow for the next hour just to support the other Universities who are still going on strike :yes: .

[Waylander]

Just a curiosity but where do you supose they are going to get the money to give you that 5% pay raise? They certainly arn't going to lower thier own pay.

[Keystone19]

Just a curiosity but where do you supose they are going to get the money to give you that 5% pay raise? They certainly arn't going to lower thier own pay.

They will of course put up student fees to pay my salary increase.

[Waylander]

They will of course put up student fees to pay my salary increase. And suddenly the students protest refusing to pay the fee hike, the univeristy has to make cut backs in staff, and you're out of a job anyway.

[Keystone19]

And suddenly the students protest refusing to pay the fee hike, the univeristy has to make cut backs in staff, and you're out of a job anyway.

:yes: You got it! It's all a big balancing act. If the university can't pay their staff appropriately, the staff will go elsewhere, quality of teaching drops, students leave, University has no money and so on...

[Waylander]

:yes: You got it! It's all a big balancing act. If the university can't pay their staff appropriately, the staff will go elsewhere, quality of teaching drops, students leave, University has no money and so on...
Lower education means idiots get important jobs that control road safty, government finance and others. Then the whole country goes down the shitter. Sorry but you get no support from me.

[Lou Girardin]

Student loans won't accrue interest soon. So they can afford to pay higher fees.
Why doesn't your union raise their claim to 10%?

[Keystone19]

Student loans won't accrue interest soon. So they can afford to pay higher fees.
Why doesn't your union raise their claim to 10%?

I believe the claim is 16% over three years.

To be honest, I think the government needs to review funding of the whole tertiary sector. Raising student fees is the most obvious way to give staff pay rises but it is only one part of it. A proportion of University funding for staff actually comes from research funding not from student fees. It is also performance based. So, the number of publications an academic staff member has, the higher they are rated, therefore the higher the funding to that staff member's department. Less or no publications means no money. It is very interesting!

[Keystone19]

Lower education means idiots get important jobs that control road safty, government finance and others. Then the whole country goes down the shitter.

That's right, unless universtiy staff are paid better then the scenario you outline will definitely occur. Poorly paid staff means poor quality which means more idiots in the positions you talk about.

[Waylander]

That's right, unless universtiy staff are paid better then the scenario you outline will definitely occur. Poorly paid staff means poor quality which means more idiots in the positions you talk about.
Sorry but the way I was brought up, if you want to be paid more you work harder or do a better job of what you do, not threaten your boss into thinking you're more important than you are.

[Ixion]

Bring back Tom Skinner!

Bah, that traitor. Lucky he's dead, or he'd be the first up against the wall come t'revolution. He was one of those who sold out the watersiders in '51. Him and that arse licking rat Patrick Fintan Walsh, may he rot in Hell. :mad:

Jock Barnes was the man we need, though he was never a Communist. :no:

[Lou Girardin]

Lower education means idiots get important jobs that control road safty, government finance and others. Then the whole country goes down the shitter. Sorry but you get no support from me.

So that's what's happened!

[Lou Girardin]

Bah, that traitor. Lucky he's dead, or he'd be the first up against the wall come t'revolution. He was one of those who sold out the watersiders in '51. Him and that arse licking rat Patrick Fintan Walsh, may he rot in Hell. :mad:

Jock Barnes was the man we need, though he was never a Communist. :no:

I knew that, eventually, someone would say this.
Excellent, Ixion.

[Lou Girardin]

Sorry but the way I was brought up, if you want to be paid more you work harder or do a better job of what you do, not threaten your boss into thinking you're more important than you are.

So productivity in NZ has increased in the last 10 years, corporate profits like wise, but average wages haven't kept up.
Any other ideas?

[Waylander]

So productivity in NZ has increased in the last 10 years, corporate profits like wise, but average wages haven't kept up.
Any other ideas?
Sure, replace the government with one that will stop hiding tax money and might actually do something that is good for the country instead of lineing thier own pockets. In a bitter mood today, might go for a ride see if that helps.

[Ixion]

So productivity in NZ has increased in the last 10 years, corporate profits like wise, but average wages haven't kept up.
Any other ideas?

Nationalise them. Return the profits of production to the workers who create the profits. Replace the government first of course.

[oldrider]

Everyone wants something for free. Anything for free just means someone else is paying for it. As a taxpayer Im already paying for too many things that I don't want and never will want. Taxation is just standover extortion made legal by thieving political criminals. The roads have got legal highwaymen hiding around almost every corner. Think about it just think!!! Cheers John. :mad:

[Keystone19]

Sorry but the way I was brought up, if you want to be paid more you work harder or do a better job of what you do, not threaten your boss into thinking you're more important than you are.

That may well work in the private sector and I'm all for working harder to get more money. In the public sector, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference how hard I work, I still get paid the same. Sure, I can go up a few steps on the salary scale if I work really hard (read 80+ hours per week for a few hundred bucks extra per year), but sooner or later I'll reach the top and that's it. This type of system does not reward hard workers very effectively.

If workers who are in the public or private sector on collective employment agreements don't have the freedom to strike for better conditions then what kind of a democracy are we?

[MikeL]

Taxation is just standover extortion made legal by thieving political criminals.

Of course. Taxation is theft. There's no such thing as "public" expenditure. It all comes out of private pockets. Yours and mine. Money that we earned, every cent of it. Money that is rightfully ours to keep or spend as we see fit.
Why should I have to pay for services I don't use?

I've just had a brilliant thought: why not abolish all taxes? Privatise everything. User pays. Every school a private school. Every hospital a private hospital. Every road a toll road. Coin-in-the-slot street lighting. Invoices from the police if they manage to solve the burglary that you reported.

Why hasn't anybody thought of this before?

[Keystone19]

Of course. Taxation is theft. There's no such thing as "public" expenditure. It all comes out of private pockets. Yours and mine. Money that we earned, every cent of it. Money that is rightfully ours to keep or spend as we see fit.
Why should I have to pay for services I don't use?

I've just had a brilliant thought: why not abolish all taxes? Privatise everything. User pays. Every school a private school. Every hospital a private hospital. Every road a toll road. Coin-in-the-slot street lighting. Invoices from the police if they manage to solve the burglary that you reported.

Why hasn't anybody thought of this before?

Why don't we all just move to the good ol' US of A...

[SixPackBack]

Of course. Taxation is theft. There's no such thing as "public" expenditure. It all comes out of private pockets. Yours and mine. Money that we earned, every cent of it. Money that is rightfully ours to keep or spend as we see fit.
Why should I have to pay for services I don't use?

I've just had a brilliant thought: why not abolish all taxes? Privatise everything. User pays. Every school a private school. Every hospital a private hospital. Every road a toll road. Coin-in-the-slot street lighting. Invoices from the police if they manage to solve the burglary that you reported.

Why hasn't anybody thought of this before?

MikeL ........el presidente magnificant

[Waylander]

Why don't we all just move to the good ol' US of A...

Came from there, hard to believe but it's better here. Atleast the roads are fun here.

[Keystone19]

Came from there, hard to believe but it's better here. Atleast the roads are fun here.

Ahh, so you do support the possibility of collective strike action, social democracy, and high taxes... :rofl: :rofl:

[Waylander]

Ahh, so you do support the possibility of collective strike action, social democracy, and high taxes... :rofl: :rofl:
I'm anti everything except hopping on the bike and enjoying the ride. Oh and Rugby... lol

[Gremlin]

Well, being a student at UofA, I support the staff, but at the same time, fees are high enough already :whistle: How about both???

IIRC tho, uni made about $10m last year, although that figure could be out of date, or just wrong. It is certainly not a not-for-profit organisation.

That head wanker, whatshisname, to try and conduct bargaining the way he did (yeah yeah, I used to know what exactly he did, but now I can't remember), he deserves to be held accountable...