Parking infringement question

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As the driver of a car (has to be done some times), I was parked for about a minute in one out of about twelve unused disabled spaces, late one night....and got nabbed

However, I remained in the vehicle (able to move if needed) while my wife drew money from an ATM

I can't find a reference anywhere that addresses the above point. Is this a defense? - the fact that the car was not left unattended (in fact the engine stayed on)

Auckland City Council.

[jellywrestler]

tell them you are disabled, say you've got Tourettes and they can fuck off, might work?

[caseye]

No it aint and fucking good job,my father who still drives at 79 yrs young has to pay for his mobility card these days ( as if it wasn't enough that because of a drunk, 14 times convicted driver he was terribly injured some years ago) and I for one have absolutely no sympathy for your situation.
Simple, really, don't park there, they are there for a reason.Surely SS you'd appreciate it if you could legally park as close as possible to your destination, when walking any distance kills your old or damaged body???

[bogan]

Were you nabbed by a meter maid or a camera?

[short-circuit]

No it aint .... wah / wah / wah

Opinion or fact?

[short-circuit]

Were you nabbed by a meter maid or a camera?

How can you tell? Just got a notice in the post

[onearmedbandit]

Do you have a mobility card displayed in your car? If not, then you are not entitled to park there full stop.

[Virago]

Bus-stops, disabled parks - they're all the same. No parking - period.

Unless there's a sign saying "No parking - except for lazy fucks who want to make their own lame-arsed excuses for thinking they're special." But I've yet to see one of those...:msn-wink:

You took the risk and got nailed. Just pay it.

[bogan]

How can you tell? Just got a notice in the post

Well if you were sitting in the car, you would have seen the meter maid I would think. Maybe they just didn't realise you was still in the car, worth a shot to inform them of that fact, as their photo may show it.

[short-circuit]

Not moaning / seeking sympathy / presenting an argument

Just seeking factual information

If in this case it is an offense, how would it work if you drove into the space to execute a 3 point turn and in the process of changing into reverse, you pause for 2 seconds....are you considered to have parked for that perion of time?

[caseye]

LOL, SS, clutching at straws, come on you know the answer, still no sympathy, even if not solicited.

[Virago]

...If in this case it is an offense, how would it work if you drove into the space to execute a 3 point turn and in the process of changing into reverse, you pause for 2 seconds....are you considered to have parked for that perion of time?

That's not an offense because the vehicle is not actually parked.

Dreaming up fantasy scenarios doesn't really advance your cause. You were parked in a disabled park and got pinged - end of story.

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Am I parked if sitting in the vehicle or just temporarily stopped? Remember, the driver is in the car and the engine is still running. Time period: one minute, fifty seven seconds.

[Virago]

All parking is temporary. How to define - 10 seconds? 10 minutes? 2 hours?

I always get a giggle out of the occasional coverage this issue gets on the news, and watching the tossers squirm through their pathetic self-justifications. :rolleyes:

[Jantar]

Under the old (very old) traffic regulations 1965, there was a definition of "parked" that included such items as engine off, and not under direct control of a driver., or words to that effect. Check to see what the current definition of parked is. You may be lucky, but I doubt it.

[short-circuit]

All parking is temporary. How to define - 10 seconds? 10 minutes? 2 hours?

I always get a giggle out of the occasional coverage this issue gets on the news, and watching the tossers squirm through their pathetic self-justifications. :rolleyes:


http://tinyurl.com/abx942

[Jantar]

OK, I found the most recent definition.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM433619.html


parking means,—

(a) in relation to any portion of a road where parking is for the time being governed by the location of parking meters placed pursuant to a bylaw of a local authority, the stopping or standing of a vehicle on that portion of the road for any period exceeding 5 minutes:


(b) in relation to any other portion of a road, the stopping or standing of a vehicle on that portion of the road

What this means is that every time you stop at a stop sign you are illegally parked in that you have parked too close to an intersection.

[short-circuit]

Under the old (very old) traffic regulations 1965, there was a definition of "parked" that included such items as engine off, and not under direct control of a driver., or words to that effect. Check to see what the current definition of parked is. You may be lucky, but I doubt it.


According to Auckland City By laws:

Note: As at 1 January 2009 this definition of parking was:

a.In relation to a portion of a road where parking is for the time being governed by the location of parking meters or vending machines placed under the authority of a bylaw of a local authority, the stopping or standing of a vehicle on that portion of the road for any period exceeding 5 minutes;
b.In relation to any other portion of a road, the stopping or standing of a vehicle (other than a vehicle picking up or setting down passengers in a loading zone or reserved parking area, and entitled to do so) on that portion of the road.




Could I argue then on the basis of both a. and b.?

I let a passenger out while stopped temporarily with the engine running for 1 minute 57 seconds until she returned to the car. It's not really parked is it?

[short-circuit]

What this means is that every time you stop at a stop sign you are illegally parked in that you have parked too close to an intersection.

Good point

[pzkpfw]

Among all the people with the "HTFU" attitudes, I'd add my sympathy (but I can't offer any help).

(To be clear: I'm not saying "HTFU". I think it's a bit rough.)

I do get "very angry" at people who abuse disabled car parks, but your situation doesn't actually sound like abuse.

Geez, I sometimes drop my Daughter off at a local railway station. There's no temporary safe drop-off spot ("loading zone"), so I do (gasp) use the disabled parks right by the stairs. I'm in, she jumps out of the car, I reverse and I'm gone.

I'm no idiot (mostly) - I do it when it's very very clear there's no one even approaching, let alone whether they are a disabled park user or not. I do it only because I am certain I'm not causing anyone any trouble (and if I actually misjudged, it still wouldn't be much of an issue as I'd simply move my car and be out of the way in a flash - with big apologies). Anyway - there's always two empty disabled parks, and I'm only using one for the brief moment I'm there. I've never seen both in use, let alone two disabled drivers arrive at the same time.

I'd be surprised you can get off it. Rules just get applied in black and white these days.

(
I see this as similar to speeding tickets. Most of us agree that no-one should be racing around like nutters at 160 kph everywhere, so there are speed limits. Of course it does mean sometimes getting a ticket for doing 102 kph - which in context may not have been a "bad" speed anyway. Then we'd make a thread saying "geez, I got a ticket for doing 102" and someone would post "HTFU - you sped so pay the fine!". Sigh.
)

Wellington City Council has dropped their spy car.

One lady was driving along, saw it behind her so pulled over to let it past. Where she did it there was a yellow no parking line - so it took photos of her and she got a fine! There was no accident caused, it was brief, and she did it to be helpful. And got fined. Most people saw this as an abuse of the process.

[Virago]

According to Auckland City By laws:

Note: As at 1 January 2009 this definition of parking was:

a.In relation to a portion of a road where parking is for the time being governed by the location of parking meters or vending machines placed under the authority of a bylaw of a local authority, the stopping or standing of a vehicle on that portion of the road for any period exceeding 5 minutes;
b.In relation to any other portion of a road, the stopping or standing of a vehicle (other than a vehicle picking up or setting down passengers in a loading zone or reserved parking area, and entitled to do so) on that portion of the road.

Could I argue then on the basis of both a. and b.? ...

I've highlighted the important bits.

Clause (a) states that you are not deemed to be parking if you stop in an area controlled by parking meters or vending machine, if you're stopped for 5 minutes or less. You were not parked in such a place.

Clause (b) states that standing your vehicle on any other area of the road is deemed to be parking.

The picking up or dropping off of passengers does not cover sitting in the car and waiting for them to come back, for two minutes or two hours.

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Among all the people with the "HTFU" attitudes, I'd add my sympathy (but I can't offer any help).

(To be clear: I'm not saying "HTFU". I think it's a bit rough.)

I do get "very angry" at people who abuse disabled car parks, but your situation doesn't actually sound like abuse.

Geez, I sometimes drop my Daughter off at a local railway station. There's no temporary safe drop-off spot ("loading zone"), so I do (gasp) use the disabled parks right by the stairs. I'm in, she jumps out of the car, I reverse and I'm gone.

I'm no idiot (mostly) - I do it when it's very very clear there's no one even approaching, let alone whether they are a disabled park user or not. I do it only because I am certain I'm not causing anyone any trouble (and if I actually misjudged, it still wouldn't be much of an issue as I'd simply move my car and be out of the way in a flash - with big apologies). Anyway - there's always two empty disabled parks, and I'm only using one for the brief moment I'm there. I've never seen both in use, let alone two disabled drivers arrive at the same time.

I'd be surprised you can get off it. Rules just get applied in black and white these days.

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I see this as similar to speeding tickets. Most of us agree that no-one should be racing around like nutters at 160 kph everywhere, so there are speed limits. Of course it does mean sometimes getting a ticket for doing 102 kph - which in context may not have been a "bad" speed anyway. Then we'd make a thread saying "geez, I got a ticket for doing 102" and someone would post "HTFU - you sped so pay the fine!". Sigh.
)

Wellington City Council has dropped their spy car.

One lady was driving along, saw it behind her so pulled over to let it past. Where she did it there was a yellow no parking line - so it took photos of her and she got a fine! There was no accident caused, it was brief, and she did it to be helpful. And got fined. Most people saw this as an abuse of the process.


Great post. As you mentioned, absolutely no one was inconvenienced. I obstructed no one and didn't actually leave the vehicle.

For those calling me lazy, go back and reread the OP...I was saving my wife from getting soaked in a down-pour.

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I've highlighted the important bits.

Clause (a) states that you are not deemed to be parking if you stop in an area controlled by parking meters or vending machine, if you're stopped for 5 minutes or less. You were not parked in such a place.

Clause (b) states that standing your vehicle on any other area of the road is deemed to be parking.

The picking up or dropping off of passengers does not cover sitting in the car and waiting for them to come back, for two minutes or two hours.

Are you a parking warden? Is that why you live on KB? No friends?

[scumdog]

For those calling me lazy, go back and reread the OP...I was saving my wife from getting soaked in a down-pour.

I just checked the Official Book of Excuses for Parking Where or When Prohibited and that excuse was disallowed back in 1975...

[Ender EnZed]

Regardless of whether you're technically in the wrong or not you may as well write to them and explain the situation. It'd be worth a try before paying the ticket.

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I just checked the Official Book of Excuses for Parking Where or When Prohibited and that excuse was disallowed back in 1975...

Wasn't offered as an excuse, just a detail to provide context. It's easy enough to stupidly and doggedly justify the application of the "law".

My situation was hardly an 'abuse' or an 'offense' against anyone or anything.

[short-circuit]

Regardless of whether you're technically in the wrong or not you may as well write to them and explain the situation. It'd be worth a try before paying the ticket.

That's what I'm thinking - although it's almost certainly an exercise in futility when the main intention here is revenue gathering

[oldrider]

Overall it would seem to be zealous to ticket you under the circumstances but you did say you received the notice in the mail.

Maybe it was derived from a camera mounted system that cannot differentiate!

I am often parked on a handicapped park (complete with official card!) but the park is for my passenger rather than for myself ... it is his card!

I just proved the vehicle service for him to shop at the Warehouse ... he can barely walk with the aid of a walker.

When he is safely inside in the area in which he shops, I go back out and wait in the car.

I often wonder who sees me as an able bodied person using up a handicap parking spot but if it was needed I could quite easily vacate it and let a bonified user have it.

I have no doubt that you would have taken this action also, if required to.

While sitting in my car waiting I am often surprised at the number of able bodied drivers that park in the handicapped parks and just couldn't care less about it.

Maybe you are more a victim of these "offenders" rather than the zealot that sent you the notification! .... defend the notification!

[Berries]

Personally I would have let the wife get wet. But then I'm like that.

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Heartening. I actually expected way more bone headed responses in this thread.

[short-circuit]

Personally I would have let the wife get wet. But then I'm like that.

Dirty bastard

[Virago]

Are you a parking warden? Is that why you live on KB? No friends?

No. I'm not a sad fuck crying on the internet about a parking ticket either...:niceone:

[tigertim20]

As the driver of a car (has to be done some times), I was parked for about a minute in one out of about twelve unused disabled spaces, late one night....and got nabbed

However, I remained in the vehicle (able to move if needed) while my wife drew money from an ATM

I can't find a reference anywhere that addresses the above point. Is this a defense? - the fact that the car was not left unattended (in fact the engine stayed on)

Auckland City Council.

My suggestion to you, is that you direct the Auckland city council to Kiwibiker, and provide them with your username, they will, upon reading through the majority of your posts realise that you do, in fact, have a very serious mental disability, and will withdraw the fine.

short of that, No, its not a defence at all. You might whinge about disabled parking etc etc, but the reality is that, simply being disabled does NOT entitle you to use those parks, you must be disabled, then go through a lengthy process of getting doctors letters (account for cost of doctors visit) to accompany an application for a disabled parking permit. if you are successful in getting a permit, you have to pay a fee, which is frankly incredibly high for what it is, in order to get the little yellow card that entitles you to park in those spots.

so in short, pay the fee, and next time tell you wife not to be so fuckin lazy, and walk the extra 10 metres from the non-disbaled parking spaces.

[JimO]

No it aint and fucking good job,my father who still drives at 79 yrs young has to pay for his mobility card these days ( as if it wasn't enough that because of a drunk, 14 times convicted driver he was terribly injured some years ago) and I for one have absolutely no sympathy for your situation.
Simple, really, don't park there, they are there for a reason.Surely SS you'd appreciate it if you could legally park as close as possible to your destination, when walking any distance kills your old or damaged body???
fuck those disabled cunts they get all the good parks

[Akzle]

As the driver of a car (has to be done some times), I was parked for about a minute in one out of about twelve unused disabled spaces, late one night....and got nabbed

However, I remained in the vehicle (able to move if needed) while my wife drew money from an ATM

I can't find a reference anywhere that addresses the above point. Is this a defense? - the fact that the car was not left unattended (in fact the engine stayed on)

Auckland City Council.

as far as i can tell, you didn't park there.



(legislation does not define "car", it does define "driver", see if you were actually a driver in that instance...) (land transport (driver licensing and vehicle registration) act, interpretation act.)

[kevie]

As the driver of a car (has to be done some times), I was parked for about a minute in one out of about twelve unused disabled spaces, late one night....and got nabbed

However, I remained in the vehicle (able to move if needed) while my wife drew money from an ATM

I can't find a reference anywhere that addresses the above point. Is this a defense? - the fact that the car was not left unattended (in fact the engine stayed on)

Auckland City Council.

Our pet hate ...... my wife is Disabled and as with earlier comments .. the card ISN'T cheap or free..... and when you consider we live in a town where there's NO parking meters .... we are paying for the privilege of parking in a town where people park for free.

We have encountered some that say they are disabled and park there ...... still an offense if you don't display a current Mobility card. I think the fine has recently been increased to $150 and the vehicle can be towed if parked in a Disabled park without the card.

You can try writing in and explain the circumstances.

[FJRider]

According to Auckland City By laws:

Note: As at 1 January 2009 this definition of parking was:

a.In relation to a portion of a road where parking is for the time being governed by the location of parking meters or vending machines placed under the authority of a bylaw of a local authority, the stopping or standing of a vehicle on that portion of the road for any period exceeding 5 minutes;
b.In relation to any other portion of a road, the stopping or standing of a vehicle (other than a vehicle picking up or setting down passengers in a loading zone or reserved parking area, and entitled to do so) on that portion of the road.

Could I argue then on the basis of both a. and b.?

I let a passenger out while stopped temporarily with the engine running for 1 minute 57 seconds until she returned to the car. It's not really parked is it?

Neither ... (a) is parking ... controlled by parking meters and vending machines, which your park wasn't.

And (b) was reserved parking for the disabled (only) .... with no exemptions mentioned in legislation. And thus ... you were not "entitled" to park there.

[hellokitty]

I am too scared to park in a disabled park - asking for trouble..... Karma etc...
Anyway, I have fully functioning legs, so I just park elsewhere and walk... and be grateful that I can walk.

[jellywrestler]

Dirty bastard

so do you have the eftpos receipt for evidence, if you say you were there for 1.57 minutes then then they should link up pretty well time wise shouldn't they?

[Mom]

I often wonder who sees me as an able bodied person using up a handicap parking spot but if it was needed I could quite easily vacate it and let a bonified user have it.

I used to drive a friend to her hospital appointments, she was dying (it was a slow business) and had a card to allow her to park close to where she needed to go. She used to get me to drop her off and go park somewhere else and walk back to her, rather than use up a disabled park that others more worthy might need. Many times she had to get stuffed and park up close as she was too sick to be left while I parked the car.



I am often surprised at the number of able bodied drivers that park in the handicapped parks and just couldn't care less about it.

Surprised is a mild word to use. I get seriously pissed off when I see abled bodied people using disabled carparks and not give a shit. I worked for an arsehole that did that. His Mother -in-law needed one and he had it in his car for when he used to have to take her places. He used it all the time regardless.

My Mommy had one too, I used it when I took her out for whatever reason. When she died, I had the card still. I threw it out, would have come in handy when I broke my ankle I have to say :lol:

[Berries]

(legislation does not define "car", it does define "driver", see if you were actually a driver in that instance...) (land transport (driver licensing and vehicle registration) act, interpretation act.)
Isn't a car a motor vehicle?

motor vehicle—
(a) means a vehicle drawn or propelled by mechanical power; and
(b) ya de ya de ya

And the other Rule that might be of interest to the OP -

6.4 Parking contrary to notice, traffic sign, or marking
(1) A driver or person in charge of a vehicle must not stop, stand, or park the vehicle on any part of a road contrary to the terms of any notice, traffic sign, or marking maintained on or adjacent to the road by a road controlling authority and indicating that the stopping, standing, or parking of vehicles is prohibited, limited, or restricted.

[Virago]

as far as i can tell, you didn't park there...

Which is why most by-laws refer to "park or stand".

[FJRider]

as far as i can tell, you didn't park there.



(legislation does not define "car", it does define "driver", see if you were actually a driver in that instance...) (land transport (driver licensing and vehicle registration) act, interpretation act.)



But he admitted he DID ...


As the driver of a car (has to be done some times), I was parked for about a minute in one out of about twelve unused disabled spaces

[Akzle]

Holy shit! Some good thinking going on!

So a place designated for disabled parking. Does that mean an able-body cannot stand his vehicle there?

Im terms of lta, .
..so maybe he parked his motorvehicle, not his car..or did he?

And yes. He did admit it. First mistake. Tsktsk.

[FJRider]

Holy shit! Some good thinking going on!

So a place designated for disabled parking. Does that mean an able-body cannot stand his vehicle there?

Im terms of lta, .
..so maybe he parked his motorvehicle, not his car..or did he?

And yes. He did admit it. First mistake. Tsktsk.

From an auckland council website ... funny how there's no mention of any exceptions ...



Mobility Parking (Disabled Parking)

These spaces are reserved for the use of people with a disability or by those who do not have full mobility.

To use them, a vehicle must display an approved permit which can be obtained from CCS Disability Action. Either the driver or the passenger must be the person named on the permit. Vehicles found to be using a space without a permit on display can and will be ticketed.

[short-circuit]

so do you have the eftpos receipt for evidence, if you say you were there for 1.57 minutes then then they should link up pretty well time wise shouldn't they?

The time is on the ticket.

Just a refresher for all the knobs who haven't actually read the thread....

Stationary, waiting for my wife to return to the car, me the driver remaining inside (with engine running for 1.57 minutes), after shop hours in one of approximately 12 spaces set aside for disabled drivers.

Had 12 disabled drivers simultaneously arrived for a spot of "shopping" at the ATM, I could have moved immediately

[short-circuit]

From an auckland council website ... funny how there's no mention of any exceptions ...



Mobility Parking (Disabled Parking)

These spaces are reserved for the use of people with a disability or by those who do not have full mobility.

To use them, a vehicle must display an approved permit which can be obtained from CCS Disability Action. Either the driver or the passenger must be the person named on the permit. Vehicles found to be using a space without a permit on display can and will be ticketed.


The alleged 'offense' is: "Parked in area reserved for disabled persons"

The legal question I have is - under the circumstances I described, was I "parked"

The other point from a common sense perspective is - what the fuck is with KB indignant self righteousness (given the scenario described)....I didn't make anyone disabled. Hell no other cunt would even have known probably if there hadn't been a camera positioned for the council to scab some extra revenue.

[FJRider]

Had 12 disabled drivers simultaneously arrived for a spot of "shopping" at the ATM, I could have moved immediately

It is written in legislation that you can park a vehicle over a Fire Hydrant ... if a person able to move that vehicle ... remains in it. NO such legislation is so written for disabled parking spaces ... that I am aware of.

[idb]

As the driver of a car (has to be done some times), I was parked for about a minute in one out of about twelve unused disabled spaces, late one night....and got nabbed

However, I remained in the vehicle (able to move if needed) while my wife drew money from an ATM

I can't find a reference anywhere that addresses the above point. Is this a defense? - the fact that the car was not left unattended (in fact the engine stayed on)

Auckland City Council.

Common sense isn't allowed these days I'm sorry.
The way you describe it sounds like you weren't likely to inconvenience anyone but, unfortunately, that isn't the point.
It's all to do with the laws catering for the biggest wankers, but being applied to everyone.

[FJRider]

The alleged 'offense' is: "Parked in area reserved for disabled persons"

The legal question I have is - under the circumstances I described, was I "parked"

The other point from a common sense perspective is - what the fuck is with KB indignant self righteousness (given the scenario described)....I didn't make anyone disabled. Hell no other cunt would even have known probably if there hadn't been a camera positioned for the council to scab some extra revenue.

It would no doubt appear ... that in the photo, you WERE parked. You were on the parking space ... stopped. On a STOP sign ... I think a minimum of three seconds is required you must be stopped for .... you by your own admission, were stopped for just under two minutes. Otherwise you wouldn't have got a ticket. If you weren't "parked" (ie:moving) ... the photo would be blurred.

I do laugh at the KB indignant self righteous that get a ticket (speeding or parking ... and admit it in their first post) then winge and moan .. asking how they get off it.

Don't park in disabled parking spaces ... and you won't get another one ... :killingme

[short-circuit]

I do laugh at the KB indignant self righteous that get a ticket (speeding or parking ... and admit it in their first post) then winge and moan .. asking how they get off it.

Don't park in disabled parking spaces ... and you won't get another one ... :killingme

Sorry? Where was the winge? Just making an observation that plonkers from page one onwards have used the thread as some sort of opportunity to spew bile...with no justification whatsoever to do so...fill your boots cocksuckers. You people are probably the types whose votes are influenced by car crushing :baby:

[Nova.]

As the driver of a car (has to be done some times), I was parked for about a minute in one out of about twelve unused disabled spaces, late one night....and got nabbed

However, I remained in the vehicle (able to move if needed) while my wife drew money from an ATM

I can't find a reference anywhere that addresses the above point. Is this a defense? - the fact that the car was not left unattended (in fact the engine stayed on)

Auckland City Council.

Your car should be crushed. :nono:

[Berries]

The alleged 'offense' is: "Parked in area reserved for disabled persons"

The legal question I have is - under the circumstances I described, was I "parked"

The other point from a common sense perspective is - what the fuck is with KB indignant self righteousness (given the scenario described)....I didn't make anyone disabled. Hell no other cunt would even have known probably if there hadn't been a camera positioned for the council to scab some extra revenue.
Common sense would only come in to it if it was a ticket issued by an actual physical person who had had a good day, realised that due to the time of the day you were not inconveniencing anyone and kept walking. Cameras are a totally different kettle of fish. They have to pay for them somehow.

Under the circumstances, were you parked? Yes. Parked, stopped or standing, attended or unattended it is no different to stopping (or parking) on yellow dashed lines, amusingly, in light of this thread, referred to as no stopping lines. In this case it is a parking area reserved for disabled permit holders. It is a BS ticket - 12 spaces and clearly no demand at that time of night, but it is a ticket that would be hard to get out of.

The more important question is why the need for 12 reserved spaces for disabled users? It is not like you are in Christchurch.

[FJRider]

The more important question is why the need for 12 reserved spaces for disabled users? It is not like you are in Christchurch.

It must be a very popular ATM ... (among the disabled permit holders)

[FJRider]

That's what I'm thinking - although it's almost certainly an exercise in futility when the main intention here is revenue gathering

Is the main intention here revenue gathering ... or an attempt to discourage illegal parking on disabled parking spaces ...

Ask yourself ... would you do it again ??? and if the answer is yes ... be prepared for another ticket.

If the answer is no ... their plan is working.

I would imagine the most popular excuse heard by police from a "client" stopped at the roadside ... "I wasn't hurting anybody" ... (instant attitude test fail)

[idb]

Common sense would only come in to it if it was a ticket issued by an actual physical person who had had a good day, realised that due to the time of the day you were not inconveniencing anyone and kept walking. Cameras are a totally different kettle of fish. They have to pay for them somehow.

Under the circumstances, were you parked? Yes. Parked, stopped or standing, attended or unattended it is no different to stopping (or parking) on yellow dashed lines, amusingly, in light of this thread, referred to as no stopping lines. In this case it is a parking area reserved for disabled permit holders. It is a BS ticket - 12 spaces and clearly no demand at that time of night, but it is a ticket that would be hard to get out of.

The more important question is why the need for 12 reserved spaces for disabled users? It is not like you are in Christchurch.

Common sense should always apply, especially when money is being demanded of you.
It doesn't matter whether it's cameras or meter maids.
The demise of fairness and the descent towards the lowest common denominator irks me no end.
/rant

[awayatc]

big difference between parking and stopping....

big difference between common sense and nonsense...

big difference between average blokes and wankers...

fair few below average no sense wankers commenting here...

Stupid ticket, I hope you can get rid of it.

(Next time you wave at another biker, remember that some of them are just dickless twats on 2 wheels......
mind you hopefully you don't meet them on the road......they will probably not get further then their keyboards)

[unstuck]

Maybe you could try driving right up to the ATM machine next time, so you are not on the handicap parking. :headbang::headbang:

[oldrider]

Common sense should always apply, especially when money is being demanded of you.
It doesn't matter whether it's cameras or meter maids.
The demise of fairness and the descent towards the lowest common denominator irks me no end.
/rant

The multitude of this country demand mediocrity or less ..... their success unfortunately is also our demise! :facepalm:

[pritch]

A fairly simple situation.
If you had a handicapped parking card you could take it in and show them.
If you don't have the card, you can take your chequebook.

[Akzle]

...under the circumstances I described, was I "parked" if you don't know the answer yourself, you're probably going to have a hard job convincing anyone else...


i'm loving how everyones throwing up legislation and bylaws and shit. that's cool.
read between the lines bro....

[rustic101]

You could have painted your car with a slogan like 'Occupie Parks' etc and then claimed the parking as a legitimate protest and the Council would have written the Infringement Notice off??? Like they did with the damage cause by those other Occupie clowns ..

[FJRider]

Under the old (very old) traffic regulations 1965, there was a definition of "parked" that included such items as engine off, and not under direct control of a driver., or words to that effect. Check to see what the current definition of parked is. You may be lucky, but I doubt it.

Actually ... the wording in the legislation is not mentioning parking as such. The term is "to use these spaces" ... and "those vehicles using a space" ...

No "definition" of the word park is therefore needed.

Uses of the spaces may be... Parking ... Dropping off/picking up passengers ... using it as a route to a legal parking space they can use ... or as previously mentioned, a turn point for a three point turn.
This is by no means ... is a full list of what the space can be used for. But unless they have a disabled parking permit (in their name or in that of a passenger) those spaces are not allowed to be used.

Mobility Parking (Disabled Parking)
These spaces are reserved for the use of people with a disability or by those who do not have full mobility.
To use them, a vehicle must display an approved permit which can be obtained from CCS Disability Action. Either the driver or the passenger must be the person named on the permit. Vehicles found to be using a space without a permit on display can and will be ticketed.

[scumdog]

It's all to do with the laws catering for the biggest wankers, but being applied to everyone.

I know - and now thanks to that philosophy I can't drive home pissed anymore...:(

[jellywrestler]

The time is on the ticket.



you seem brain dead, I asked if you had the time on the EFTPOS receipt, got that? as i know that there will be already a time on your ticket, they do that, or at least have the odd time i've had them
So the time should match up exact should it not as you were there for less than two minutes

[idb]

I know - and now thanks to that philosophy I can't drive home pissed anymore...:(

I bet you could if you really put your mind to it.

[imdying]

I do get "very angry" at people who abuse disabled car parks, but your situation doesn't actually sound like abuse.That I agree with.

Abusing the intent of the law is one reason why pigs occasionally get the shit kicked out of them whilst groups of people stand around unwilling to lend a hand.

[scumdog]

That I agree with.

Abusing the intent of the law is one reason why pigs occasionally get the shit kicked out of them whilst groups of people stand around unwilling to lend a hand.


VERY fuckin' occassionally...like when was the last time? eh? eh?

[FJRider]

Abusing the intent of the law is one reason why pigs occasionally get the shit kicked out of them whilst groups of people stand around unwilling to lend a hand.

As I understand ... in this case, it was an initiative of the Auckland city Council, to place cameras in an attempt to reduce the abuse of disabled parking spaces.

I dont hear much about council workers getting attacked .... So there must be another reason Police get attacked.

Perhaps people know Police powers are more far reaching ... and people have more to LOSE from Police. FEAR and desperation do strange things to some peoples decision making abilities ...