ZX-10R is the fastest overall. YES!

[MentalFacility]

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/9/13481/Motorcycle-Article/2012-Superbike-Smackdown-IX-Track.aspx :eek:

[carbonhed]

So which bike won? :lol:

[AllanB]

Meh.

Top speeds and track times relative to actually riding the bikes on the road have become irrelevant unless you are purchasing the bike as a track only steed. Oddly enought I suspect the greater percentage end up on the road wearing sport touring tyres ......

[MentalFacility]

Meh.

Top speeds and track times relative to actually riding the bikes on the road have become irrelevant unless you are purchasing the bike as a track only steed. Oddly enought I suspect the greater percentage end up on the road wearing sport touring tyres ......

Its really nice for the road. I owned a 08cbr1k before, and it was awesome, but this new Zx-10R is even better. Im surprised they dont mention the relatively weak steering damper, and soft rear shock.
Mid range is fixed with a -1 front sprocket for $35. You can go even further and order a 1/5 throttle insert for $25USD and that will create enough pick up for just about anything really.

[carbonhed]

Meh.

Top speeds and track times relative to actually riding the bikes on the road have become irrelevant unless you are purchasing the bike as a track only steed. Oddly enought I suspect the greater percentage end up on the road wearing sport touring tyres ......

Spoken like a man who rides a..... oh right.... you do :bleh:

And I'll be putting my pilot Road III's on sometime this week :laugh:

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah seeing as there would only be a handful of riders in NZ who could fully exploit the limits of these bikes it's pretty irrelevant. Still good for pissing matches at the pub though.

[MentalFacility]

Yeah seeing as there would only be a handful of riders in NZ who could fully exploit the limits of these bikes it's pretty irrelevant. Still good for pissing matches at the pub though.

It speaks about chassis ability and bike potential. Ride-ability is also an important component of any fast lap. Im just laughing at how much slower the Duc is when its 3 times more expensive. And how come new bmw couldn't beat the ZX? Oh well Im bias.

[onearmedbandit]

It speaks about chassis ability and bike potential. Ride-ability is also an important component of any fast lap. Im just laughing at how much slower the Duc is when its 3 times more expensive. And how come new bmw couldn't beat the ZX? Oh well Im bias.

Unless you're racing most of that means fuck all. And on top of that it then depends on what publication you're reading. Latest FB magazine rates the BMW over the ZX.

My bike is 10yrs old, yes I've had the chassis set up and engine tuned, but that's not to make it quicker than any other bike, it's solely for 'playing around' factor. On the road who's quicker is the one willing to take the biggest risks, either to your wallet and license or your own and other road users safety. On the track, well sure then you can start splitting hairs.

[MentalFacility]

Unless you're racing most of that means fuck all. And on top of that it then depends on what publication you're reading. Latest FB magazine rates the BMW over the ZX.

My bike is 10yrs old, yes I've had the chassis set up and engine tuned, but that's not to make it quicker than any other bike, it's solely for 'playing around' factor. On the road who's quicker is the one willing to take the biggest risks, either to your wallet and license or your own and other road users safety. On the track, well sure then you can start splitting hairs.

I agree, for the road its more of an ego thing. But its only normal when ur bike is all new and shiny youd d want it to do will in comparisons like these.

[onearmedbandit]

I agree, for the road its more of an ego thing. But its only normal when ur bike is all new and shiny youd d want it to do will in comparisons like these.

Of course!!!

[Bassmatt]

As much as I hate to say it, if you read the article the highest speed recorded in the test goes to the gsxr, so not really fastest overall
:drool: for the zx10 tho.

[slowpoke]

It speaks about chassis ability and bike potential. Ride-ability is also an important component of any fast lap. Im just laughing at how much slower the Duc is when its 3 times more expensive. And how come new bmw couldn't beat the ZX? Oh well Im bias.

Hmmmm, if you're gonna post about a bike test it's probably a good idea to have a read of it...

What a shocker of a test. Some bikes had full systems, Power Commander and Q/S fitted while others were absolutely bog stock. Laugh all ya like at the Duc but fitting a full exhaust and not being able to tune for it is just bollocks, the poor thing was probably slower than stock. The BMW and MV were straight off the showroom floor with not a single mod whereas your Kwaka had a slip on (probably removing the cat), PCV and Q/S installed. So lob 7-8kg's back on the ZX10, subtract 7 or 8hp and how would things look?

I used to follow their tests, but I'm sadly disappointed in the process they've followed here. If that's how they set up the bikes prior, I'm not suprised they couldn't find a good set up on the Duc.

[sil3nt]

Fireblade always comes out either on top or in the top 3 in these tests.

[Edbear]

Unless you're racing most of that means fuck all. And on top of that it then depends on what publication you're reading. Latest FB magazine rates the BMW over the ZX.

My bike is 10yrs old, yes I've had the chassis set up and engine tuned, but that's not to make it quicker than any other bike, it's solely for 'playing around' factor. On the road who's quicker is the one willing to take the biggest risks, either to your wallet and license or your own and other road users safety. On the track, well sure then you can start splitting hairs.

These days it may also be true of track riding/racing, theone who is the bravest and doesn't crash wins. Times between the top few are always extremely close and different ridiers win on different days or even in teh next race.


Hmmmm, if you're gonna post about a bike test it's probably a good idea to have a read of it...

What a shocker of a test. Some bikes had full systems, Power Commander and Q/S fitted while others were absolutely bog stock. Laugh all ya like at the Duc but fitting a full exhaust and not being able to tune for it is just bollocks, the poor thing was probably slower than stock. The BMW and MV were straight off the showroom floor with not a single mod whereas your Kwaka had a slip on (probably removing the cat), PCV and Q/S installed. So lob 7-8kg's back on the ZX10, subtract 7 or 8hp and how would things look?

I used to follow their tests, but I'm sadly disappointed in the process they've followed here. If that's how they set up the bikes prior, I'm not suprised they couldn't find a good set up on the Duc.

I agree, it was hardly even out there.


Fireblade always comes out either on top or in the top 3 in these tests.

Yup, funny that, it is always consistently one of the best road/track bikes each year. Not taking anything away from the ZX10; Kawasaki have done real good with this model and it does deserve the accolades it's been getting around the world. It's just that as has been pointed out, modern bikes are now so good they are better than the majority of their riders.

[Fast Eddie]

Fireblade always comes out either on top or in the top 3 in these tests.

haha hell yea and its like 20 years old ;)

[ducatilover]

Hmmmm, if you're gonna post about a bike test it's probably a good idea to have a read of it...

What a shocker of a test. Some bikes had full systems, Power Commander and Q/S fitted while others were absolutely bog stock. Laugh all ya like at the Duc but fitting a full exhaust and not being able to tune for it is just bollocks, the poor thing was probably slower than stock. The BMW and MV were straight off the showroom floor with not a single mod whereas your Kwaka had a slip on (probably removing the cat), PCV and Q/S installed. So lob 7-8kg's back on the ZX10, subtract 7 or 8hp and how would things look?

I used to follow their tests, but I'm sadly disappointed in the process they've followed here. If that's how they set up the bikes prior, I'm not suprised they couldn't find a good set up on the Duc.
Don't forget the MV was having fueling issues, yet still posted 171rwhp, in anyones books that's a properly strong power fihure from a bone stock bike running, as one expects Italian bikes to run...wrong.

A good read nonetheless, but flawed in many areas.

[GrayWolf]

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/9/13481/Motorcycle-Article/2012-Superbike-Smackdown-IX-Track.aspx :eek:

YAAAAAAAAAAAWN, do I care?:yawn::violin:

[sil3nt]

YAAAAAAAAAAAWN, do I care?:yawn::violin:If you didn't care you wouldn't have posted :bleh:

You must be an MV or R1 owner :msn-wink:

[Brett]

ZX10 certainly performs really well...but fark me...I think that the front of it is UGLY!

[MD]

What a shocker of a test. Some bikes had full systems, Power Commander and Q/S fitted while others were absolutely bog stock.

Agreed us readers want a fair comparison and you have to wonder why these multi-bike comparisons throw up different results from mag to mag?
But I see on p1 the M_C testers did offer all the bike suppliers the chance to make selected mods;
" allowing each bike this year to be fitted with an aftermarket exhaust system, fuel-injection tuning module and quick-shifter. After all, those are the most popular upgrades track junkies do to their machines. Just because we opened the door to play by these rules, to our surprise, there were a few OEM’s who chose not to make these changes. Would it hurt their chances?"

[MentalFacility]

Hmmmm, if you're gonna post about a bike test it's probably a good idea to have a read of it...

What a shocker of a test. Some bikes had full systems, Power Commander and Q/S fitted while others were absolutely bog stock. Laugh all ya like at the Duc but fitting a full exhaust and not being able to tune for it is just bollocks, the poor thing was probably slower than stock. The BMW and MV were straight off the showroom floor with not a single mod whereas your Kwaka had a slip on (probably removing the cat), PCV and Q/S installed. So lob 7-8kg's back on the ZX10, subtract 7 or 8hp and how would things look?

I used to follow their tests, but I'm sadly disappointed in the process they've followed here. If that's how they set up the bikes prior, I'm not suprised they couldn't find a good set up on the Duc.

Yeah thats true. Superbike-USA really slided down in a couple last years. By modding the ZX10R they were trying to get it close to EURO spec model. US ZX-10Rs are heavily restricted at the top, a simple $200 ECU reflash will give you additional 30-35RWHP in the US, the difference is MASSIVE. In EURO ZX-10R has even more top end then the BMW, but BMW overall has a better power curve in low end - mid end.

On top of everything they also have the most retarded grading system in the world.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/9/1349...onclusion.aspx

Going by their table Max Lean Able is of the SAME significance as the FASTEST LAP. And their riders really talk about of their asses.

U can pay for PR to journos, but you can never buy the top time unless the bike is seriously capable.

[MentalFacility]

Fireblade always comes out either on top or in the top 3 in these tests.

Ive head an oil burning 08 for a few years, and I recon it has the best, most precise handling of any bike Ive readen.
If the engine in that thing was at least moderately reliable I would have kept it.

That said, Im glad that Ive ended up with a ZX-10R. In my opinion it is overall a better bike then a honda.

[MentalFacility]

Here is a test from Motor Trend (Motor Cyclists).

It is MUCH more detailed as the one on superbike-usa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqRE7hfw44w&list=PL45DFF3B80447C44E&index=6&feature=plpp_video (Japanise Bikes)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6M0O4yXqUY&feature=youtu.be (Euro bikes + ZX10R)

[GrayWolf]

If you didn't care you wouldn't have posted :bleh:

You must be an MV or R1 owner :msn-wink:

nope I own a Sakakrapi ZZR1100, oh; and a Yamaha MT-01... now that's the 'real fun bike' of the 2 :yes::scooter:

[SPman]

Always interesting as a read, but, it comes down to, for most people, which one suits ME best for the road - a bit like helmets - most are good, but some are gooder than others for a particular shaped head - so too, sports bikes. I'd prefer a Bimota Tesi 3D over all of them, but then, I'm weird like that. (and slow)

[MentalFacility]

Always interesting as a read, but, it comes down to, for most people, which one suits ME best for the road - a bit like helmets - most are good, but some are gooder than others for a particular shaped head - so too, sports bikes. I'd prefer a Bimota Tesi 3D over all of them, but then, I'm weird like that. (and slow)

I really like that bike too. But Ive heard that owners end up pushing them more then riding. Not a very reliable bike. It also doesnt have a slipper clutch, not a massive deal, and it can be changed\upgraded, but since they source drive train components from ducati, why the hell they opted out for a cheaper clutch? Maybe some other components on the bimotas are not as top notch as they want people to believe.

[Gregonz]

Yeah seeing as there would only be a handful of riders in NZ who could fully exploit the limits of these bikes it's pretty irrelevant. Still good for pissing matches at the pub though.

I just brought one of these off TM because it seemed good value for a lateish model sport bike ($7.5k) ???http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=492013037

Cheaper than the gixers/cbrr etc.....but time will tell if its good value....even if I only win a pissing contest at the pub with it...:killingme:killingme

oh ....and I know I will never use it anywhere near to its potential, but the bit I do use will be fun....

[onearmedbandit]

I just brought one of these off TM because it seemed good value for a lateish model sport bike ($7.5k) ???http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=492013037

Very good value I would think.



oh ....and I know I will never use it anywhere near to its potential, but the bit I do use will be fun....

Same here. I love what I can use of my thou.

[Fast Eddie]

saw some other bike comparison last weekish on facebook.. that put the s1000rr at the head of the pack lol...

just buy any bike, if anyone says theirs is faster than yours. punch them in the cock

[cs363]

Talking of ZX10's not sure if this has been posted before, but I got emailed the link today. Pretty damn impressive....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGsTcmLG7dU&feature=player_detailpage

Compare this time to what I think may still be the fastest car time around here (may have been bettered by now as this was two years ago) at 6.47.50 which was the Pagani Zonda R a circa $2 million supercar!
Link to that vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPd0ATqvoJM

[ducatilover]

just buy any bike, if anyone says theirs is faster than yours. punch them in the cock
I do this, works wonders.

[macka77]

yep would love to test them all but who wouldnt and seriously who gives a shit which is fastesst they go oooo thous are the way to go anything less is for pussies

[98tls]

Yeah seeing as there would only be a handful of riders in NZ who could fully exploit the limits of these bikes it's pretty irrelevant. Still good for pissing matches at the pub though.

Means fuck all these days mate,motorcycles are like womens handbags,when the fat chick buys a new one she actually believes it comes with the ability to look like Heidi Klum.Awhile back took a wee ride from Oamaru through to Duntroon via Naseby ie backroad nice and twisty with real world hazards,caught up with a guy on real late model Honda fast as fuck down the short straight but almost at a crawl every time the road wasnt viewable more than 50ft in front of him,felt sorry for his brake light to be honest:eek5:When i arrived at the Duntroon pub i grabbed a pint and walked outside as he was pulling up i gave him a wave but he changed down a cog or 2 and off he went.Guess the old TL wasnt up to his image.

[onearmedbandit]

yep would love to test them all but who wouldnt and seriously who gives a shit which is fastesst they go oooo thous are the way to go anything less is for pussies

They see me trollin'...

[skippa1]

I just brought one of these off TM because it seemed good value for a lateish model sport bike ($7.5k) ???http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=492013037

Cheaper than the gixers/cbrr etc.....but time will tell if its good value....even if I only win a pissing contest at the pub with it...:killingme:killingme

oh ....and I know I will never use it anywhere near to its potential, but the bit I do use will be fun....

That is a lot of bike for not much money.....very good buying:clap:

[Gregonz]

That is a lot of bike for not much money.....very good buying:clap:

Picking it up off the ferry in Wellington tomorrow morning. There are some great buys out there at the moment. Sold my Moto Guzzi Griso and brought this bike and a cruiser http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=492808904 for a few extra $$$. :banana:

[SVboy]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=492808904 Honda guy saying his 'wife' putting the pressure on for a sale-they havent legalised gay marriage yet!!!

[Gregonz]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=492808904 Honda guy saying his 'wife' putting the pressure on for a sale-they havent legalised gay marriage yet!!!

Love it....

Cant belive how many adds say the wife is making me sell it????? The guy that brought my moto guzzi had just seperated and the first thing he did was buy a motor bike?? Can't understand the link between woman and bike ownership?

[Owl]

Can't understand the link between woman and bike ownership?

Cause in this fucked up society, women have got too big for their skirts. They now wear the trousers and men use words such as "compromise" and "sharing".:facepalm:


:p

[ducatilover]

Cause in this fucked up society, women have got too big for their skirts. They now wear the trousers and men use words such as "compromise" and "sharing".:facepalm:


:p

More like men have become soft plonkers. I'm not giving my bikes up for a bit of skirt.

[numbersixteen16]

But the Honda wins after the votes are tallied on the last page, its funny that the new model bikes never seem to be the best, but the refined ones allways come out on top.

[ducatilover]

But the Honda wins after the votes are tallied on the last page, its funny that the new model bikes never seem to be the best, but the refined ones allways come out on top.

It's only been that way since the newer shape Honda was released. In 2005 the Gixxer K5 was let loose and it fucked up the competition (still my favourite Gixxer actually)