Air filter oil options?

[fridayflash]

whats the cheapest filter oil options men?
i still use engine oil, yet people who are used to
consumer packaged stuff insist its the only way to go
im not convinced and am happy enough with 30 wt
ive heard of others using atf, canola, vegetable cooking oil
the list goes on............

how say you gents?

[fridayflash]

hi all
ive posted this up in the adventure threads where i lurk
but essentially its a general offroad question............
whats the cheapest option for air filter oil?
i still use engine oil (30wt) yet guys who are used to
consumer packaged stuff insist thats the only way to
im not convinced, ive heard of others using atf, canola
chainbar oil, vegetable cooking oil, gear oil etc

whats your thought gen'lmen?

[scott411]

i have and always use bel-ray, elf or other brand genuine foam filter oil, its not cheap, but its way cheaper than any engine parts that dust destroys when it gets past,

and always wash filters in petrol, then in hot soapy water,

[barty5]

use to use elf spray on and spray sides of air box as well in sandy dusty places filter wont clog up as quick that way castrol in a bottle is shit as with k&n all runs to bottom of filter to quick and leave it almost dry as if you didnt put any on

[cheese]

Notoil is the best and so easy to wash out.

[davem_nz]

I agree ... No-Toil does the trick for me and is easy to wash out.

[monchopper]

Notoil is the best and so easy to wash out.

+1

Washes out in water

[pete.ktm]

notoil's nice and easy but not exactly what you'd call _cheap_, which is what the guys after.

if you want something a little better than motor oil just get the cheapest "air filter oil" you can find.

[Nova.]

if you can't afford $13 for filter oil, you need a new job...

[Grubber]

I use Mobil 4T racing oil and get my filters from USA. I use Purelater filters @ about $5 each. Pretty good filters according to the experts.
I buy about 8 at a time to save on postage.
My Mobil oil is around $65 from a rather good outlet, that i'm not telling any of you fellas about.;)

[Stylo]

Engine oil will work but it tends to pool in the airbox and distributes itself unevenly - it can also be sucked through the intake tract if you overdo it. Speciality air filter oil has additives blended with the oil to solve these problems by being tackier.

I usually clean my filters with kerosine , petrol tends to clean the oil out very well but it attacks rubber grommets , seals and glues because it is so aggressive - it will also degrade the foam over time.

And, agree they should always then be washed with hot soapy water , I normally use washing machine powder dissolved in a bucket , remember to rinse it out really well too.

[ktm84mxc]

A simple test is to dip your fingers into the filter liquid of your choice , remove your hand allow 2-3 minutes to drip dry , now open and close the fingers like making a shadow puppet.
You'll soon see strands of liquid between your fingers looking like spun sugar this is what is staying in the filter trapping the dust particles. A engine oil is not designed to become sticky as it would soon block the oil ways.

[Nova.]

http://tracktion.co.nz/product.php?id_product=485 - Small bottle (16 oz) $16.50
http://tracktion.co.nz/product.php?id_product=486 - Big bottle (67.5 oz) $60.95

[scott411]

I have had plenty of customers use no toil, but never used it myself, one problem we did have is if you are going from using a petrolum based product to no toil or similar make sure you get all of the old stuff, incl the kero or petrol you used to get rid of it out of the old filter, i would reccomend at least 2 water and detergent washes,

[raglanash]

I have had plenty of customers use no toil, but never used it myself, one problem we did have is if you are going from using a petrolum based product to no toil or similar make sure you get all of the old stuff, incl the kero or petrol you used to get rid of it out of the old filter, i would reccomend at least 2 water and detergent washes,

Definitley do that ^^
And also make sure you rinse the filter right out with clean water after cleaning, if you leave any no toil cleaning agent in there it does not oil up properly.
Seems to be quite easy on the filters too, the glue seems to last well.
I have used no toil on last 3 bikes, 140hrs on the latest 450 and valves are still in spec.

[Pornstar]

Engine oil will work but it tends to pool in the airbox and distributes itself unevenly - it can also be sucked through the intake tract if you overdo it. Speciality air filter oil has additives blended with the oil to solve these problems by being tackier.

I usually clean my filters with kerosine , petrol tends to clean the oil out very well but it attacks rubber grommets , seals and glues because it is so aggressive - it will also degrade the foam over time.

And, agree they should always then be washed with hot soapy water , I normally use washing machine powder dissolved in a bucket , remember to rinse it out really well too.

What he said bro, jeez, motor oil. No.

[CRF119]

Notoil is the best and so easy to wash out.

No Toil must be used on No Toil filters, The red No Toil (Fast dry) oil has a high solvent content which can damage other filters causing filter failure and damage to your engine. No toil filters are designed for the oil they make.

Also very important to run grease or No Toil rim seal around the edge or sealing point of the filter.

I would not use engine oil on a air filter its not worth the engine cost.

My CRF450 has 180 hours on factory set valves with no problem and it has by no means been nanered around on.

Also you can buy a flame proof No Toil filter and do away with the mesh in the cage.

[caspernz]

Hairspray maximum hold. What is this oiling a filter nonsense youz fellas are talking about?

[Nova.]

I find that feces works much better then air filter oil.

[caspernz]

Sorry I shoulda mentioned that only the Wella Maximum Hold Hairspray in the silver can will do. None of this no frills stuff for me...

[flyingcr250]

Ive used motul super sticky golden syrup oil for as long as i can remember, petrol and compressed air cleans it out pretty good

[Jay GTI]

I also have used Motul gloop since forever. Have tried others, but they don't spread as easy (so you use more) or go as sticky. The filter has to be oiled at least the day before to let it "cure" but is awesome stuff.

I just wash the filter with turps.

[Ktmboy]

Personally we have had a few issues with No toil especially with really fine talcum powder dust. It also seemed to break down easily in certain conditions.

On the other hand the Belray filter oil is great but maybe too good. As in its a bastard to apply and even worse to clean a filter after.
The Elf filter oil seems to be a very good medium for all conditions. Highly recommend it!!

[barty5]

Personally we have had a few issues with No toil especially with really fine talcum powder dust. It also seemed to break down easily in certain conditions.

On the other hand the Belray filter oil is great but maybe too good. As in its a bastard to apply and even worse to clean a filter after.
The Elf filter oil seems to be a very good medium for all conditions. Highly recommend it!!

have elf gone back to a spray on version yet was great when they made it in a can

[Quasievil]

Cheap Oil Filters tend to break down quickly and pass the debris into the engine, Im talking about the paper / Card components, once this happens the oil will be affected as will the performance of the engine, other issues can occur including blockages etc.
Good Oil and a good filter, spend for quality

[scott411]

have elf gone back to a spray on version yet was great when they made it in a can

not seen if for a while, bel-ray does one tho,

i am not a fan of spray on stuff, i like to pour il into the inside of the filter and work it to the outside, then you see where you have missed and can put some more on, i would rather take some extra time and do it right, esp on dusty MX tracks like Taupo, or in the sand anywhere,

[ktm84mxc]

If your budget is tight my Grandad did this during the War years , next time you change the engine oil save it and put it in a pot now add a heaped table spoon of vaseline per 500mls , warm till the vaseline in dissolved, strain through a nappy liner and Hi presto oil-filter oil can also be used for chain lube, the vaseline gives it the sticky parts you need. Now mix with 2 parts oil to 1 part solvent to make a CRC type spray.
Yep my Grandad was a Scotsman so tight he squeaked when he walked, and always said never throw away anything you'll always find a use for it.

[Flicks]

I also have used Motul gloop since forever. Have tried others, but they don't spread as easy (so you use more) or go as sticky. The filter has to be oiled at least the day before to let it "cure" but is awesome stuff.

I just wash the filter with turps.

+1

Motul air filter oil and turps.

Clean the filter with turps,
Pour filter oil into an ice-cream container and submerge the filter into it, take it out and squeeze the filter out. Pour the oil back into the bottle so you dont waste any, Put grease around the edges of the filter where it joins the airboot. And dont start the bike for half a day so you let the oil go tacky and it doesnt suck any residue/fumes into the engine.

[oldguy]

TwinAir..... filter, oil, and filter wash:niceone: