High Court rules search of Dotcom's mansion illegal

[mashman]

Oh dear (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/14076890). Does that mean NZ is gonna be out of pocket?

[Akzle]

lmfao.

who'd'a thunk.

i'm not even going to start on this. ><
if it wasn't our money, i'd like to see the police pay for this. big time. fascist fuckers acting at the whim of the US.

[mashman]

lmfao.

who'd'a thunk.

i'm not even going to start on this. ><
if it wasn't our money, i'd like to see the police pay for this. big time. fascist fuckers acting at the whim of the US.

Awwwwww, not the police, they just do as they're told... however, and with lashings of irony, the justice department may have a few questions to find lies for

[Nova.]

Kims the fucking man, hope he fucks up the po-po's and leeches millions out of them for being absolute fuckwits.

[Road kill]

There's gonn'a be some funny as fuck back peddling over this one.
Not that I could really care one way or the other,,,but I do await Mr Keys next smart arse comments :lol:

[Oakie]

Kims the fucking man, hope he fucks up the po-po's and leeches millions out of them for being absolute fuckwits.

Well he leeches millions out of various companies by ripping off their copyrighted materials so why not...?

[onearmedbandit]

Did he rip them all off? Must've been a busy man stealing all those programs etc.

[Virago]

Well he leeches millions out of various companies by ripping off their copyrighted materials so why not...?

I assume you've got evidence to back up that claim?

[bogan]

Good shit, hope the useless pricks who okayed the raid all lose their jobs.

[Oakie]

I assume you've got evidence to back up that claim?

This is KB. I don 't need evidence!

Fairly obvious if he is faciliating people sharing the latest Warner Brothers epic with other people via his websites and that he has become a multi-millionaire through doing so ...

[Virago]

...Fairly obvious if he is faciliating people sharing the latest Warner Brothers epic with other people via his websites...

Much like Suzuki facilitate law-breaking by building fast bikes? Should they be prosecuted too?

[mashman]

Does that mean we're gonna see megabox? (http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/kim-dotcom-meets-with-woz-restarts-launch-of-megabox-music-sharing/)

[bogan]

Much like Suzuki facilitate law-breaking by building fast bikes? Should they be prosecuted too?

Nah, thats a bit different, the provide the equipment, not the service. A better analogy would be, we should prosecute all them fullas that keep our roads useable.

Unless you mean they should be prosecuted for crimes against style... :whistle:

[98tls]

Nah, thats a bit different, the provide the equipment, not the service. A better analogy would be, we should prosecute all them fullas that keep our roads useable.

Unless you mean they should be prosecuted for crimes against style... :whistle:

:mad:Seen Ducatis latest offering?Would put you off your Latte.

[bogan]

:mad:Seen Ducatis latest offering?Would put you off your Latte.

The Panigale, or is there a new one? Either way, the Panigale gives me the horn :drool:

[Nova.]

Did he rip them all off? Must've been a busy man stealing all those programs etc.

you mean hosting a domain where people can upload DUPLICATES of various things and share them?

[tigertim20]

I imagine there will be a few appeals to this, it will drag out in some way for quite some time I expect.

I assume you've got evidence to back up that claim?
probably not - the Police dont anymore either, at least, not anything thats admissible in court!:killingme

This is KB. I don 't need evidence!

Fairly obvious if he is faciliating people sharing the latest Warner Brothers epic with other people via his websites and that he has become a multi-millionaire through doing so ...

thats like saying the pilots of the 911 planes are as guilty of terrorism as the ragheads who took over the planes

[onearmedbandit]

you mean hosting a domain where people can upload DUPLICATES of various things and share them?

Exactly. Just like Bogan said, following that logic the NZ Govt. (as whoever is in power, they are the providers of the road) should be prosecuted for provide a place for people to commit crime.

[Madness]

I hope he runs in the next election. Kim Dotcom for PM!

[Swoop]

It is incredibly pleasing to see this latest development.

[oneofsix]

Sorry to say I liked the herald's cartoon on it
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It does kind of pick on the whole police department and not include the politics, should have thrown in a few government official.

Also amused by the Dom item that it is not over yet DotCom could face new search http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/7189682/Extradition-still-on-the-cards-for-Dotcom.
What's left to search, the FBI have it all and wont give it back. Shouldn't it be that the NZ Police might serve warrants on FBI? :-)

[wharekura]

The FBI are the winners. They have got what they want and that is the hard drives with all that wonderful data - kindly provided at the Kiwis tax payer expense.

[SimJen]

NZ shouldn't be doing any dirtywork for the US simple as that.
We should have told them to fuck off!
Just like Warner Bros, holding us over a barrell with the Ghey Hobbit movie!! We'll take it offshore if you don't give us tax breaks....

[avgas]

Very sad this had to happen at all. I hope .com is man enough to simply not accept any recompense and move on with his life.
2 wrongs don't make a right - and it will only be the NZ tax payer who loses if there is a payout, cops fired etc.
At the end of the day there was a hidden agenda and some people got screwed. All these people can land on their feet comfortably if the whole thing is dropped right now and not pursued any further.

[scott411]

Nah, thats a bit different, the provide the equipment, not the service. A better analogy would be, we should prosecute all them fullas that keep our roads useable.

Unless you mean they should be prosecuted for crimes against style... :whistle:

i think a another analogy would be renting out stolen cars, or maybe owning the park and sell caryard and letting stolen cars be sold off it,

the truth is none of those are really the same, and the laws they are trying to get him on are not really up to it either,

their is a big shift, I know if i had spent millions making a movie i would not want people giving it away for free, so i can understand that, but the youtbe generation has changed the market somewhat, and people are not willing to pay $20 at the movies anymore, so what is the answer, do not make the movies in the first place?

i have no idea if Mr Dotcom will go back and face the charges, or fight them as long as he can back here, but its is sort of interesting to watch it all happen,

i think the only true winners, will be the lawyers that he employs,

[SimJen]

unfortunately the big corporates have interfered too much in this case, it now looks like the US Government is acting out of a vested interest!
I doubt he will screw NZ for the money, he certainly doesn't need it. But something will have to be sorted either monetary or apology wise if he ends up being released.

[CookMySock]

[....] it will only be the NZ tax payer who loses if there is a payout, cops fired etc.
At the end of the day there was a hidden agenda and some people got screwed. All these people can land on their feet comfortably if the whole thing is dropped right now and not pursued any further.You miss the one and only point that really matters ;

This is our country, our government, and our police force, and it's all being used to bully ordinary citizens for commercial reasons - the goverments' commercial reasons.

If this doesn't stop, there will be revolution. People are completely fucking sick of it and very quickly they are starting to learn the real truth, and ALSO there's no fucking way people are going to "drop this right now and move on".

The police better be well-armed, or well-advised, or both. Now people are angry.

[scott411]

You miss the one and only point that really matters ;

This is our country, our government, and our police force, and it's all being used to bully ordinary citizens for commercial reasons - the goverments' commercial reasons.

If this doesn't stop, there will be revolution. People are completely fucking sick of it and very quickly they are starting to learn the real truth, and ALSO there's no fucking way people are going to "drop this right now and move on".

The police better be well-armed, or well-advised, or both. Now people are angry.

if the people rise up against the machine that is goverment, it will not be on the back of this, but kiwis are not really the revolutionary type, see our history if you disagree,

thier is way bigger problems in NZ, than one fat rich guy trying to avoid facing a trumped up charge in the USA,

[Buyasta]

This is our country, our government, and our police force, and it's all being used to bully ordinary citizens for commercial reasons - the goverments' commercial reasons.


You appear to be letting your anti-government crusade get the better of you, the reality in this case is far worse - they aren't even bullying on behalf of our government, they're bullying on behalf of the US government, who are in turn just a sock-puppet for big media companies who'd rather spend their time extorting and suing their entire customer base than actually evolve their business model and delivery systems to a point where they work in the modern world.

[oneofsix]

You miss the one and only point that really matters ;

This is our country, our government, and our police force, and it's all being used to bully ordinary citizens for commercial reasons - the goverments' commercial reasons.

If this doesn't stop, there will be revolution. People are completely fucking sick of it and very quickly they are starting to learn the real truth, and ALSO there's no fucking way people are going to "drop this right now and move on".

The police better be well-armed, or well-advised, or both. Now people are angry.

Wrong about it being the governments' commercial reasons. It is overseas businesses commercial reasons. People are slowly waking up to this and realising it is also a pointer how NZ's economy is not being run for the benefit of resident kiwis. They are also realising that it has nothing to do with the original purpose of copywrite and does nothing for the artists, just gives the corporates an a legalised protection racket.

[caseye]

The sooner the NZ Govt, Police and Justice system wake up to the fact that they've been used by the FBI to get stuff that they should not have had a hand in getting for them the better.
We/New Zealanders should be camped out at Dot coms place to make sure that no one else goes in there looking for stuff that never was theirs in the first place.
As New Zealanders we should be Livid that the USA sent their bully boys down here and that our own GOVT allowed them to use BULLSHIT tactics and paperwork to get what they wanted.
NZ should be totally and utterly RED FACED about this and absolutely determined to never allow any other foreign agencies to operate their way here in OUR Country ever again.
We should have gone to WAR with France over the Rainbow Warrior.
We should now cut all ties, diplomatic, military and economic with the USA until they come back with their bloody tails between their legs and publicly apologise for making a monumental Cock Up here in our place.
Whats more I hope Dot com gets everything back and then sues the pants off the US and our Govt's for everything he can get.
Smelt bad from the start this one did.

[Akzle]

Very sad this had to happen at all. I hope .com is man enough to simply not accept any recompense and move on with his life.
2 wrongs don't make a right - and it will only be the NZ tax payer who loses if there is a payout, cops fired etc.

i know i said i wasn't going into this. but fuckit:

police fines/ sanctions against govt: no, because it's citizens' stolen("taxed") $$ anyway.

IMMEDIATE job losses for cops, whoever signed off the warrant and any politician that had a hand in this pie: emphatically yes. today is good.

force some resignations.


hands up anyone who didn't have a twin-deck tape player hooked up to their turntables....?
(if yes, then GTFO of this argument immediately)

you can bet your a55 it wasn't for the benefit of playing one tape after another. (fancy that, a record button.... maybe they should have labelled it a "pirate this shit" button)
it's not a new game that's being played. if the corporates can't keep up, they should step down.

type "download illegal/pirated movies/music/games/software" into google, you'll get your stuff.
google is facilitating this shit as much as dotcom was...
whea dem google raids huh 'merica?
(so too, any search engine, cloud servers or hosting sites etc etc.)

here's an idea america: sue the internet!
sue sony for making writable tapes, CDs, DVDs... sue every ISP for knowingly allowing access to this content... sue, world-police, sue sue!

but nnooooooo. previously eccentric fat previously hackers are a much cushier target.


dotcom had ONE server in america (and a dozen more worldwide) which is what the US ("criminal") litigation is based on. result= worldwide shutdown.
dotcom IS NOT/WAS NOT responsible for USER's content.

america can suck my balls.

funny, when my brother was travelling through the middle east and africa, one of the first thing the guides taught them to say in native-speak was "i'm not american, don't shoot"
true story.

[Akzle]

We should now cut all ties, diplomatic, military and economic with the USA until they come back with their bloody tails between their legs and publicly apologise for making a monumental Cock Up here in our place. continuing to act as arrogant shitheads on a global scale
Whats more I hope Dot com gets everything back and then sues the pants off the US and our Govt's for everything he can get.
+1
i sincerely hope that the US govt, from the individual agents to the people at the very top, to the people behind the companies etc etc, get sued into poverty, then hanged.
this shit is unacceptable.

[wharekura]

...We should have gone to WAR with France over the Rainbow Warrior...
We did, I remember going to the bakeries for my daily jelly doughnut that there was a sign "We do not sell croissants"
For once, I was proud of our Police force the day they captured the frogs.

[Bald Eagle]

We did, I remember going to the bakeries for my daily jelly doughnut that there was a sign "We do not sell croissants"
For once, I was proud of our Police force the day they captured the frogs.

yep but then our govt system traded their prison time for an island holiday and a lamb export deal

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[SPman]

i have no idea if Mr Dotcom will go back and face the charges, or fight them as long as he can back here, but its is sort of interesting to watch it all happen,

i think the only true winners, will be the lawyers that he employs, Go back? He's not a yank - he's a flamboyant German uber geek residing in NZ.


NZ should be totally and utterly RED FACED about this and absolutely determined to never allow any other foreign agencies to operate their way here in OUR Country ever again. the authorities will only be red faced about their craven compliance with the US backfiring on them. It's about time the police heirachy grew some balls and stopped being so overtly and cravenly political in their actions. A police force should be totally neutral in it's dealings with the public, and act on the law of the land in which they reside - not jump to every political whim of whatever government is currently in office! The whole Dotcom thing is about far more than so-called piracy. It's about the US, once again flexing it's muscles and trying to whip it's "allies" into line.
At least the Judiciary have a level of independace and are prepared to exercise it - not fall cravenly into line, like the police, the politicians and the media!

[scott411]

Go back? He's not a yank - he's a flamboyant German uber geek residing in NZ.

the authorities will only be red faced about their craven compliance with the US backfiring on them. It's about time the police heirachy grew some balls and stopped being so overtly and cravenly political in their actions. A police force should be totally neutral in it's dealings with the public, and act on the law of the land in which they reside - not jump to every political whim of whatever government is currently in office! The whole Dotcom thing is about far more than so-called piracy. It's about the US, once again flexing it's muscles and trying to whip it's "allies" into line.
At least the Judiciary have a level of independace and are prepared to exercise it - not fall cravenly into line, like the police, the politicians and the media!

i was under the impression he residided in the US before coming here,

as for ther warrants, they have not been found illigal in their entirety, more just the infomation gathered might have been to broad, a legal technicallity, which does not effect the charges, but does effect the court case that will be faught in the US maybe,

I agree that the US rode roughshot and rushed off with the info, but old Dotcom was a bit better than poor old Osama who they just flew in and shot,

[CookMySock]

Wrong about it being the governments' commercial reasons. It is overseas businesses commercial reasons. I'm not wrong at all - It's the same thing. Overseas commercial interests will very quickly and brutally MAKE IT our govts reasons, if compliance is withheld. There will be no non-compliance.


People are slowly waking up to this and realising it is also a pointer how NZ's economy is not being run for the benefit of resident kiwis.Then you are saying the same thing that I am saying.

It won't be long now before the people take the government back from the government - certainly if this sort of shit continues to go down and people continue to speak about it.

The main problem, is the third person in the triad with the government and the police is very persuasive. Who is this third person? The media. The trick now is to force the media to bite the hand that feeds, and that won't be easy. Perhaps this is why the govt wants so strongly to make amends with artists and broadcasters - because if they don't, the media having it's income stream being protected all this time will turn on them as their revenue dries up.

[avgas]

I'm not wrong at all - It's the same thing. Overseas commercial interests will very quickly and brutally MAKE IT our govts reasons, if compliance is withheld. There will be no non-compliance.
Google : Wallmart and Government and you will soon learn its not just our tiny little country that gets this.

Those who think governments rule the world are rather naive.
Hell google : Fonterra and Government and you will see that even NZ companies boss people around.

[Akzle]

Go back? He's not a yank - he's a flamboyant German uber geek residing in NZ.

the authorities will only be red faced about their craven compliance with the US backfiring on them. It's about time the police heirachy grew some balls and stopped being so overtly and cravenly political in their actions. A police force should be totally neutral in it's dealings with the public, and act on the law of the land in which they reside - not jump to every political whim of whatever government is currently in office! The whole Dotcom thing is about far more than so-called piracy. It's about the US, once again flexing it's muscles and trying to whip it's "allies" into line.
At least the Judiciary have a level of independace and are prepared to exercise it - not fall cravenly into line, like the police, the politicians and the media!
and the word of the day is:

craven.

P.S. (you're wrong about an independant court, we just got lucky with this bitch)

[Akzle]

Google : Wallmart and Government and you will soon learn its not just our tiny little country that gets this.

Those who think governments rule the world are rather naive.
Hell google : Fonterra and Government and you will see that even NZ companies boss people around.

google "shon key sells legislation to skycity casino"
google "national's asset sales put rights of corporations above people"
google "why can't i..." and see what comes up. =D

[SMOKEU]

There will be no revolution, because the same idiots vote for the same corrupt politicians. All JK has to say is "jump", and his devotees respond by saying "how high?". He still has more support than any other politician, and this sort of thing will become the norm because of it. People will only wake up once NZ has been sold out to China, and by that stage it will be too late.

[oldrider]

Laughing at ourselves is a NZ national pastime I.E. our politicians, our justice department, our police etc, where "our" = "us", you and me! :rolleyes:

Collectively as a nation we are a fucking basket case! :facepalm:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well he leeches millions out of various companies by ripping off their copyrighted materials so why not...?

No, he doesnt: His company provides an ability for third parties to do that. He is likely complicit by omission (in effect he does not know or want to know what files people are hosting on his servers): and he has publicly said that his sites comply with the DCMA when requested. Not sure aout that, but what is abundantly clear is that the NZ Govt, at the behest of the biggest of big brothers went of half cocked, the po po in true cowboy fashion went "Fuck yeah, we've got all these toys, lets roll" and the now the NZ Govt, its PRi Munster, uts Justus Munster, and its Pleece force come off looking like a bunch of dicks.

Not only that, but they shat all over the court order that said "the information stays in NZ": the FBI went "Screw that" cloned the drives and flitted. So much for our status as an ally and soveregn nation.

[HenryDorsetCase]

google "why can't i..." and see what comes up. =D

Why can't I own a Canadian?

Tits or GTFO

[HenryDorsetCase]

i was under the impression he residided in the US before coming here,

as for ther warrants, they have not been found illigal in their entirety, more just the infomation gathered might have been to broad, a legal technicallity, which does not effect the charges, but does effect the court case that will be faught in the US maybe,

I agree that the US rode roughshot and rushed off with the info, but old Dotcom was a bit better than poor old Osama who they just flew in and shot,

Last I heard Kim Dotcom hadn't flown any airliners into tall buildings, or tried to bomb them, or financed any terrorism. All he'd one in meant that Lars Ulrich's hairlooming had to be done in monthly rather than weekly instalments

[MIXONE]

:mad:Seen Ducatis latest offering?Would put you off your Latte.

It's got heaps more style then any suzuki I've ever seen.:rolleyes:

[Swoop]

the po po in true cowboy fashion went "Fuck yeah, we've got all these toys, lets roll"...
Have you seen the photo of the sledghammer marks on the wall of the dumbwaiter?
Classic keystone cops in action!

[maxlev]

i was under the impression he residided in the US before coming here,


No
Hong Kong
he leased/rented the top floor of a hotel for 6-7 yrs, the one Banksie stayed at

[puddytat]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/7199883/Kim-Dotcom-joins-TVNZ7-funeral

Yeah bro

[scumdog]

Hmmmm...so one judge said "Go for it, you've enough evidence for me to agree to your search warrant application"

And a second judge sez "Oh no, you DIDN'T have enough grounds to be granted a search warrant"

Weird eh??:blink::crazy::weird:

[onearmedbandit]

Hmmmm...so one judge said "Go for it, you've enough evidence for me to agree to your search warrant application"

And a second judge sez "Oh no, you DIDN'T have enough grounds to be granted a search warrant"

Weird eh??:blink::crazy::weird:

Very true SD, you have to wonder what that first judge was on eh.

[Kickaha]

Very true SD, you have to wonder what that first judge was on eh.

Probably drugs seized in an illegal police search

[Fast Eddie]

This is KB. I don 't need evidence!

Fairly obvious if he is faciliating people sharing the latest Warner Brothers epic with other people via his websites and that he has become a multi-millionaire through doing so ...

well, all he did really is provide a storage space online, so people can upload and store their files online in a remote place, and he allowed them to share things with each other too..

[rustic101]

Not arguing the policing or Legal aspect..

What I don't understand is why Megaupload was targeted and not YouTube, 4Shared, FileTube, MediaFire, and the other thousands of file sharing and storage sites?

I'd suggest thought that there are some criminal elements who will not want their material back like sexo's :sick: fraudsters etc :sweatdrop . Which is a question in its self. If Police or FBI find any evidence of criminal offending are they able to use that against an individual as its been illegally obtained??

[tigertim20]

Hmmmm...so one judge said "Go for it, you've enough evidence for me to agree to your search warrant application"

And a second judge sez "Oh no, you DIDN'T have enough grounds to be granted a search warrant"

Weird eh??:blink::crazy::weird:
My understanding was that it was more like
judge #1 said yep, you have enough evidence, heres a warrant, and
judge $2 said, hey!! the warrant you had didnt entitle you to grab all the stuff you grabbed.
maybe I have that wrong? guess it doesnt matter now anyway

Not arguing the policing or Legal aspect..

What I don't understand is why Megaupload was targeted and not YouTube, 4Shared, FileTube, MediaFire, and the other thousands of file sharing and storage sites?

I'd suggest thought that there are some criminal elements who will not want their material back like sexo's :sick: fraudsters etc :sweatdrop . Which is a question in its self. If Police or FBI find any evidence of criminal offending are they able to use that against an individual as its been illegally obtained??

as for the last part of your post, thats interesting, normaly ID say no, illegaly obtained evidence is inadmissable in court, however NEW ZEALAND said it was illegally obtained, but now its in te USA, where they dont have to recognize our judgement, so Id say they can use any of that evidence how they please in the states.

as for the first part of your post, why mega upload? Id say his history, he has a shady past and they thought that would help to contribute towards a slam dunk, easy case, which would set a precedent, and make future runs at other sites a little easier with a precedent behind them. it makes sense if they are thinking about how to play the long game. I doubt they exopected a hiccup like this from little old ENZED!

[Buyasta]

What I don't understand is why Megaupload was targeted and not YouTube, 4Shared, FileTube, MediaFire, and the other thousands of file sharing and storage sites?


Youtube is actually involved in a case on pretty much the exact same grounds - making money off users pirating content. They were sued by Viacom back in 2007, won the case in 2010, but then had that win overturned in appeals court earlier this year, so Viacom can now go for a jury trial, although I don't think they've actually announced whether or not they're continuing the legal action or not.

As for why Megaupload, it's because they were a whole lot more dangerous to the media companies than any of their rivals. They were on the verge of launching a legal free music site called MegaBox, which was pretty much aimed at putting traditional record companies out of business and providing a new music publishing paradigm more in line with modern technology. Basically it works by giving music for free, with ads on the page, and 90% of the income goes straight to the artist, rather than the record companies taking the lions share, as is the case at the moment. Dotcom has actually just said a day or two ago that he still plans on launching this service, so they haven't managed to kill that potential competition off yet.

He'd also just seriously embarrassed the media companies, having released a song a month before featuring some big name artists like Kanye West, Alicia Keys, will.i.am, P Diddy, and Snoop Dogg, basically coming out in support of Megaupload. When you spend a good portion of your time decrying Megaupload for being a haven of piracy because it harms your artists, it's pretty embarrassing when some of your top talent then comes out in support of them. To make matters worse, some moron at UMG then illegally had the video taken down using a DMCA request, which turned the whole thing into even more of a shitstorm - being caught abusing the piece of legislation you've just spent years complaining doesn't offer you enough power to take down infringing content doesn't really help your cause any.
That wasn't the first case of media companies abusing the DMCA and illegally having content removed using bogus DMCA requests, but it was much higher profile than most other cases, and attracted a whole lot more attention on the issue.

[Winston001]

... the FBI went "Screw that" cloned the drives and flitted....

Yeah but ya gotta smile at the delicious irony - the evidence stayed here, the FBI only copied. So what's lost? Nadda if we accept the "copying cannot be wrong" logic... ;)

[scumdog]

Yeah but ya gotta smile at the delicious irony - the evidence stayed here, the FBI only copied. So what's lost? Nadda if we accept the "copying cannot be wrong" logic... ;)

Indeed! Such irony...<_<

[Swoop]

Is this now a comedy show?

Keystone Cops seem to have center stage in the court.

Fook me, what a shambles.

[SimJen]

I love how they think Mr Dotcom was dangerous! all these excuses to use excessive force.
He had taken a picture of himself with a gun!!! seriously half of NZ own guns and post pics of themselves on facebook etc hunting with mates etc.
How many other times in the history of NZ has someones house been raided by Helicopter and special ops type (secret) forces! http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10825903

[5150]

How many other times in the history of NZ has someones house been raided by Helicopter and special ops type (secret) forces!

Maybe they needed a training excercise :rolleyes:

[SimJen]

another excuse is that he has fast cars and might have done a runner!
Seriously the guy has heaps of money but he's not stupid!
Just knock on the door with the correct warrant!!

[oldrider]

Kims the fucking man, hope he fucks up the po-po's and leeches millions out of them for being absolute fuckwits.

Your comment reminds me of the patients in a mental hospital banging their heads against a brick wall! :brick:

The absolute fuckwits that you speak of are, at the end of the day, you me and everyone else that call themselves Kiwis! (taxpayers)

It will be interesting to see how Dot.com behaves over this, if he demands his pound of flesh, I for one suggest that he just fuck off! :motu:

[SimJen]

Your comment reminds me of the patients in a mental hospital banging their heads against a brick wall! :brick:

The absolute fuckwits that you speak of are, at the end of the day, you me and everyone else that call themselves Kiwis! (taxpayers)

It will be interesting to see how Dot.com behaves over this, if he demands his pound of flesh, I for one suggest that he just fuck off! :motu:

I can't see it happening, the money is irrelevant to him.
Just a public apology would be enough I'm sure, can't see good ol US of A doing anything of the sort though!
He just wants to be left alone.

[bogan]

another excuse is that he has fast cars and might have done a runner!
Seriously the guy has heaps of money but he's not stupid!
Just knock on the door with the correct warrant!!

With four vans blocking his driveway, where was he going to run anyway?

[scott411]

another excuse is that he has fast cars and might have done a runner!
Seriously the guy has heaps of money but he's not stupid!
Just knock on the door with the correct warrant!!

the guy was known to have weapons, and surround himself with guards that knew how to use them, he was found in a hidden lock up room with a shotgun, shows they had the right to have some fears,

yes i retrospect that police over reacted, but i would not go in there any other way with those sorts of things hanging around, there is a dead cop from Napier that went to see someone with a similar MO, it is much easier to look back at stuff and figure out better ways to do it, hindsight is good like that,

It is similar to the Tihoe raids, it was way over the top but its not the sort of town you can just rock up in a cop uniform and ask the guys nicely to come down to the station and have a chat,

[Akzle]

the guy was known to have weapons, and surround himself with guards that knew how to use them, he was found in a hidden lock up room with a shotgun, shows they had the right to have some fears,

yes i retrospect that police over reacted, but i would not go in there any other way with those sorts of things hanging around, there is a dead cop from Napier that went to see someone with a similar MO, it is much easier to look back at stuff and figure out better ways to do it, hindsight is good like that,

It is similar to the Tihoe raids, it was way over the top but its not the sort of town you can just rock up in a cop uniform and ask the guys nicely to come down to the station and have a chat,

uhh. the shotgun was locked in a safe. he was a licenced firearm's user.

the dead cop in napier got his own dumb ass shot for exceeding his authority.

and yes, he probably would have come along if the cops knocked on the door (i can't see him running anywhere.) and it would have made the ballsed up shonk on which the whole op was based even more pathertic-a spectacle. thier asses would have been served back ot them in court directly.

[avgas]

It will be interesting to see how Dot.com behaves over this, if he demands his pound of flesh, I for one suggest that he just fuck off! :motu:
My thoughts exactly. He knows and understands that if he seeks reparations from NZ that NZer's get hurt. But I say "go forth and conquer" if he goes after the US side of this story so that he can get back to running his business. Just not at NZ's expense.

[SimJen]

the guy was known to have weapons, and surround himself with guards that knew how to use them, he was found in a hidden lock up room with a shotgun, shows they had the right to have some fears,

yes i retrospect that police over reacted, but i would not go in there any other way with those sorts of things hanging around, there is a dead cop from Napier that went to see someone with a similar MO, it is much easier to look back at stuff and figure out better ways to do it, hindsight is good like that,

It is similar to the Tihoe raids, it was way over the top but its not the sort of town you can just rock up in a cop uniform and ask the guys nicely to come down to the station and have a chat,

most kiwi farmers have weapons and know how to use them!
If you had a helicopter with special forces type ops and unmarked vans rocking up smashing down doors what would you do? Shit your pants? Perhaps run to a safe room?
NZ should not have been bullied into this full stop, and if the government had decided to do something it should have been dealt with in a normal way!
A couple of cop cars, the correct paperwork following due diligence.

This is nothing like the Tihoe raids! There was no known training in paramilitary warfare!

The guy is a family man with 5 kids, he's not about to shoot up his house! or kill anyone.
Its a complete over reaction to some other countries over reaction based on $$$ nothing more!
Its shameful that this sort of shit happens in our own backyard.
We should be standing up for ourselves and not letting the US boss us around.

[mashman]

I can see their reasoning. He's Cherman and they lost the war and he's about to be arrested for the heinous crime of breaching copyright. I know I'd strap myself with belts of bullets and wipe them out knowing that I was the best of the best on COD and claim that they drew first blood.

[tigertim20]

I for one suggest that he just fuck off! :motu:
really? why? there is not yet any proof, or conviction showing he has done anything wrong, other than inject a significant amount of cash into our economy

, he was found in a hidden lock up room with a shotgun, shows they had the right to have some fears,

,

theres a chicken or egg scenario right there. Ii I heard a helicpoter, and realised people were repeling from it into my house, and storming my premises by force I would be trying to go somewhere safe and find something to protect myself too.

If the had knocked on the door with a warrant, he would have opened the door, and had no choice but to let them execute the warrant, end of story, so really, that argument is kind of invalid

[scumdog]

If the had knocked on the door with a warrant, he would have opened the door, and had no choice but to let them execute the warrant, end of story, so really, that argument is kind of invalid

Or shot them if it took his whim.

Or maybe somebody else less controlled than Mr Blobby.

[puddytat]

John Campbell alluded this evening that something big was coming out....then the media were excluded.Whats the bet it was an admission that the FBI were calling the shots....that we wont hear them on any "tape" because they were running it from somewhere else & on that the man in the dock refused to comment...:corn:

[scumdog]

Yet another KB thread loaded with 'Monday-morning-quarter-backs':rolleyes:

[puddytat]

Pot calling kettle....depends on which team you support dont it? Yeah must suck having to get to work on time.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Or shot them if it took his whim.

Or maybe somebody else less controlled than Mr Blobby.

That's right. Guilty until proven innocent. :tugger: With the track record of corruption, evidence planting/hiding, assaults etc that the NZ police are developing, small wonder if people started arming up in self defense when the police turn up on their doorstep to arrest/rob/rape them.

[onearmedbandit]

Or shot them if it took his whim.

Or maybe somebody else less controlled than Mr Blobby.

Still winding up drongos there scummy.

[BoristheBiter]

Has anyone else noticed that when you hear dotcom speak it sounds like he is putting on a gay German accent?

Just saying

[Berries]

Has anyone else noticed that when you hear dotcom speak it sounds like he is putting on a gay German accent?
He is German which explains part of it ja?

I guess the gay bit comes from trying to fit in with the Auckland locals sweetie.

[mashman]

Has anyone else noticed that when you hear dotcom speak it sounds like he is putting on a gay German accent?

Just saying

people hear what they really want to hear... just sayin

[Road kill]

Or shot them if it took his whim.

Or maybe somebody else less controlled than Mr Blobby.

Odd that he didn't do any of that shit your mob are claiming when he had a cop vist "and knock on his door" the very day before all this crap went down.
You'd have thought "that" cop could have simply handed over a warrant,after all he wasn't shooting at that cop,or running from him,so all their "claimed fears" that he might have are looking pretty fucking flimsy to me,,,,and most other people

Just one piss weak excuse after another from you lot,and you don't even have the back bone to admit it.
No,just carry on with the same old cheap shots and earn your whole club even more distrust from the general public.
Nice shot bro,,,,got yourself right in the fucking foot that time.

BTW,,,when are you lot going to show up about the berg at my place,,it's been three years now,,still waiting.:rolleyes:

[bogan]

Just one piss weak excuse after another from you lot,and you don't even have the back bone to admit it.

He's just winding up drongos dude, nobody is stupid enough to claim it was a righteous bust unless they now have to save their own arse.


BTW,,,when are you lot going to show up about the berg at my place,,it's been three years now,,still waiting.:rolleyes:

3 years, fuck I'm surprised it hasn't melted by now...

[BoristheBiter]

He is German which explains part of it ja?

I guess the gay bit comes from trying to fit in with the Auckland locals sweetie.

No i meant like a fake one.

He lives in Coatesville there're hard working farmer type's.:innocent: only been Auckland since the super city as Len needs some money for his train set.

[BoristheBiter]

people hear what they really want to hear... just sayin

Sorry what did you say I wasn't listening.

[mashman]

Sorry what did you say I wasn't listening.

a quarter past 4.

[BoristheBiter]

a quarter past 4.

What you can't get out the door?

[mashman]

What you can't get out the door?

Nope, I've been stuck inside her for almost 30 mins now.

[zique]

Not arguing the policing or Legal aspect..

What I don't understand is why Megaupload was targeted and not YouTube, 4Shared, FileTube, MediaFire, and the other thousands of file sharing and storage sites?

I'd suggest thought that there are some criminal elements who will not want their material back like sexo's :sick: fraudsters etc :sweatdrop . Which is a question in its self. If Police or FBI find any evidence of criminal offending are they able to use that against an individual as its been illegally obtained??

I once entertained the thought that maybe those who put info/leaks on wikileaks stored their info on Megaupload and the FBI knew that and wanted those people caught.Only way to do it was target the company as a whole and filter through every bit of information and find the sources.

[avgas]

I blame the FBI, the cops, the government and Dotcom. None of this would happened if they didn't exist :lol:

[scumdog]

Still winding up drongos there scummy.

you're blowing my cover F.!

So many drongos - so little time...:devil2:

[duckonin]

Or shot them if it took his whim.

Or maybe somebody else less controlled than Mr Blobby.

SD a QUESTION FOR YOU. If you were asleep then awoke, some cunt was trying to batter your door down you and your wife were inside your house, WHAT WOULD YOU DO ?:angry:

Get a grip SD ! ONCE upon a time police were 6 foot tall plus, most were working for law and order. No 5 foot tall woman in the front line. Today most of you/ not all, are all a bunch of pricks that would tell lies to suit your cause. Helicopters battering rams, guns, Fuckwit cops screaming, on the ground on the ground, 'REAL AMERICANISED SHIT' Unortherised searching of premises then saying, 'we had permission" 'He had a gun', 'he may of shot at us'..:facepalm: Fuck you cunts have always worked on the fact 'YOU' are right'.

THERE ARE WAYS TO HANDLE ALL SITUATIONS. Most cops /ex council garderners, do not have the outgoing/ life skills, to handle SQUAT.:shit:


Sometime SD, just sometimes you are not fucken right at all. When that happens you all tell lies to save your own ARSE.:innocent: You can get away with doing that, as the PCA will back you up 100% along with the drongo Greg O'connor, AND ANY OTHER PRICK DRESSED IN BLUE.

Racism/corruption exists within the NZ police as bad as overseas.:facepalm: Yes we need the police force and we need them to be tough. At least do your home woork and be fair doing your job.

[scumdog]

SD a QUESTION FOR YOU. If you were asleep then awoke, some cunt was trying to batter your door down you and your wife were inside your house, WHAT WOULD YOU DO ?:angry:

Get a grip SD ! ONCE upon a time police were 6 foot tall plus, most were working for law and order. No 5 foot tall woman in the front line. Today most of you/ not all, are all a bunch of pricks that would tell lies to suit your cause. Helicopters battering rams, guns, Fuckwit cops screaming, on the ground on the ground, 'REAL AMERICANISED SHIT' Unortherised searching of premises then saying, 'we had permission" 'He had a gun', 'he may of shot at us'..:facepalm: Fuck you cunts have always worked on the fact 'YOU' are right'.

THERE ARE WAYS TO HANDLE ALL SITUATIONS. Most cops /ex council garderners, do not have the outgoing/ life skills, to handle SQUAT.:shit:


Sometime SD, just sometimes you are not fucken right at all. When that happens you all tell lies to save your own ARSE.:innocent: You can get away with doing that, as the PCA will back you up 100% along with the drongo Greg O'connor, AND ANY OTHER PRICK DRESSED IN BLUE.

Racism/corruption exists within the NZ police as bad as overseas.:facepalm: Yes we need the police force and we need them to be tough. At least do your home woork and be fair doing your job.


Hmm, a judgemental cynical bastard would say "There's some right paranoid drunken raving going on here" - of course you being an older person with lots of life/police experience etc this would be the wrong thing to say eh, eh?

And luckily I ain't a judgemental cynical bastard eh!:shifty:

On a personal note: I have never lied to 'save my arse, I am not racist, I am not corrupt and outside of the bedroom I have never screamed.

But I love winding up drongos, don't forget that bit!!

(And to sort of answer your first (trolling?) question? - I would say the 'cunt' trying to batter the door down would have been hollerin' "Police, search warrant" etc.

But then you knew that, eh?

[Akzle]

Hmm, a judgemental cynical bastard would say "There's some right paranoid drunken raving going on here" - of course you being an older person with lots of life/police experience etc this would be the wrong thing to say eh, eh?

And luckily I ain't a judgemental cynical bastard eh!:shifty:

On a personal note: I have never lied to 'save my arse, I am not racist, I am not corrupt and outside of the bedroom I have never screamed.

But I love winding up drongos, don't forget that bit!!

(And to sort of answer your first (trolling?) question? - I would say the 'cunt' trying to batter the door down would have been hollerin' "Police, search warrant" etc.

But then you knew that, eh?
. .

[scumdog]

. .

??!:blink:

[caseye]

He's calling your troll a C..T who's in the Police!
Least I think he is.
cynical, ewe? Neva!

[Madmax]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10827508

he has got his day in court

[oldrider]

This cunt Dot.com is costing NZ taxpayers a fortune and it's the USA that has a problem with him not us! :confused: FFS!

[HenryDorsetCase]

I have been fascinated this morning hearing and reading about the developments in the Julian Assange matter, and thinking about my New Zealander of the Year, Kim Dotcom.

[HenryDorsetCase]

This cunt Dot.com is costing NZ taxpayers a fortune and it's the USA that has a problem with him not us! :confused: FFS!

appalling, innit?

[oneofsix]

This cunt Dot.com is costing NZ taxpayers a fortune and it's the USA that has a problem with him not us! :confused: FFS!

Yeah, if only the NZ police and govt dept had insisted on the FBI following correct procedure in the first place instead of :buggerd:

[mashman]

I have been fascinated this morning hearing and reading about the developments in the Julian Assange matter, and thinking about my New Zealander of the Year, Kim Dotcom.

The SAS haven't stormed an embassy in the UK for a while... they must be overdue.

[oneofsix]

The SAS haven't stormed an embassy in the UK for a while... they must be overdue.

Maybe the Brits will need a hand when they storm the Ecuadorean embassy to capture Assange :shifty:

[scott411]

I have been fascinated this morning hearing and reading about the developments in the Julian Assange matter, and thinking about my New Zealander of the Year, Kim Dotcom.

I find the Assange case interesting, god knows how they will get him to the airport to get him out of the UK,

I would think the UK would have a stronger relationship with the US than Sweden would, not sure why they have not tried to get him straight out of the UK, the sexual assault alligations surely need to be answered tho, interesting times for sure, if he ever gets back to the states he is in for a long prison term, i can sort of see Dotcom's defence, but have no idea how Assange will ever defend posting that much stolen information up on the web,

With Dotcom, I was suprised if the US does not have a Case against him to satisify our extradison laws, they do not have to prove the case here, just show they have some evidence of the crimes committed,

[Swoop]

The SAS haven't stormed an embassy in the UK for a while... they must be overdue.
That was a terrorist seige.
This is a political matter and if Britain were so stupid to enter an embassy it would kick off a shitstorm of massive proportions.

Assange will hopefully be issued a diplomatic passport to leave Britain. Or sneak out through Harrods' side door!

[duckonin]

Hmm, a judgemental cynical bastard would say "There's some right paranoid drunken raving going on here" -

Well then the judgemental cynical bastard just got that one badly wrong, SD..:yes: Just give somethings a little more thought before jumping into the pond with concrete boots on. South island is almost perfect . Beggar all 'shit bags' to cause innocent persons trouble down there.

[oneofsix]

Well then the judgemental cynical bastard just got that one badly wrong, SD..:yes: Just give somethings a little more thought before jumping into the pond with concrete boots on. South island is almost perfect . Beggar all 'shit bags' to cause innocent persons trouble down there.

:shit: glad you clarified that, I thought he was referring to himself and his gang. After all it was them that have been told they were OTT in the way they went in, that they didn't have legal warrants etc so I figgered they were made paranoid by the FBI spin and drunk at the time. :drinkup::Police::Punk:

[mashman]

That was a terrorist seige.
This is a political matter and if Britain were so stupid to enter an embassy it would kick off a shitstorm of massive proportions.

Assange will hopefully be issued a diplomatic passport to leave Britain. Or sneak out through Harrods' side door!

Apparently there is some law from 1987 that allows the UK to remove the embassy status and make it just the 1st floor of the Harrods building.

Is he still tagged?

[Tigadee]

Kims the fucking man, hope he fucks up the po-po's and leeches millions out of them for being absolute fuckwits.

You don't pay taxes? Who do you think is going to pay for the compensation? :facepalm:

While I think it's shit that the police acted on the orders of the US just like that, it will be US (the people of NZ, the the United States) who ultimately pays for the mistakes of those who approved the raid. Bloody FBI's not gonna spare us any $ to pay off Dotcom...

And he's got millions already, in case nobody noticed his mansion, cars and stuff... It's not like the system wrongly prosecuted some poor bum off the streets and sent him off to prison for decades. He's no angel to being with, despite the silliness of the raid and flimsy rationale behind it.

[caseye]

So far he's done absolutely nothing wrong here in NZ.
If he's wanted by other countries they need only invoke our extradition treaties and he's theirs.
They didn't, they came into our country gung hoe'd to the max, fished their trophy out our pond and buggered off home having quite successfully achieved their aims.
Close down Dot Com.
Now we're left with egg on our faces because our boys and girls were USED by the pollies to do the actual raid and lies were told to get an otherwise top secret Police unit involved.
Shame on our Pollies and our Police Forces TOP BRASS for being to willing and not following well established procedures.
I feel sorry for our front liners who did the FBI's dirty work for them but can't and won't feel sorry for any pollie or senior Police personnel who's heads should roll for this damn disgrace.
So far , here in NZ DOT COM has done nothing wrong.
His money is , or should be his, if he had access to it this would be costing us nothing.
The longer we allow his enforced detention and deny access to his money the more it IS Going to cost us.
Our Fault not his, so grin and bear it guys, our people f'd up, we get to pay, why rave on about DC as the bad guy?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Apparently there is some law from 1987 that allows the UK to remove the embassy status and make it just the 1st floor of the Harrods building.

Is he still tagged?

Presumably after the Libyan embassy thing?

[Swoop]

Apparently there is some law from 1987 that allows the UK to remove the embassy status and make it just the 1st floor of the Harrods building.

Is he still tagged?
The embassy is not part of Harrods and is certainly not on the first floor.:facepalm:
Number 3, Hans Crescent. Out the back of Harrods.

[HenryDorsetCase]

And he's got millions already, in case nobody noticed his mansion, cars and stuff... It's not like the system wrongly prosecuted some poor bum off the streets and sent him off to prison for decades. .

Uh. yeah it is. It is exactly like that.

[oneofsix]

So far he's done absolutely nothing wrong here in NZ.
If he's wanted by other countries they need only invoke our extradition treaties and he's theirs.
They didn't, they came into our country gung hoe'd to the max, fished their trophy out our pond and buggered off home having quite successfully achieved their aims.
Close down Dot Com.
Now we're left with egg on our faces because our boys and girls were USED by the pollies to do the actual raid and lies were told to get an otherwise top secret Police unit involved.
Shame on our Pollies and our Police Forces TOP BRASS for being to willing and not following well established procedures.
I feel sorry for our front liners who did the FBI's dirty work for them but can't and won't feel sorry for any pollie or senior Police personnel who's heads should roll for this damn disgrace.
So far , here in NZ DOT COM has done nothing wrong.
His money is , or should be his, if he had access to it this would be costing us nothing.
The longer we allow his enforced detention and deny access to his money the more it IS Going to cost us.
Our Fault not his, so grin and bear it guys, our people f'd up, we get to pay, why rave on about DC as the bad guy?

Additional point to ponder is that thanks to the FBI people such as some of our universities and other NZ organisations have lost access to research data stored on Mega Upload, also legal apps that were downloadable from Mega Upload have gone.
Oh well guess it will all be well when some US of A University or company makes use of the data from Mega Upload to come out with their commercial versions :shutup:
I suppose it is his fault this data is now only available to the US of A even though it was taken there illegally. Who illegally stole what data :confused:

:corn:

[Winston001]

Apparently there is some law from 1987 that allows the UK to remove the embassy status and make it just the 1st floor of the Harrods building.

Is he still tagged?

Yep. Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987. It was enacted after police woman Yvonne Fletcher was shot and killed from the Libyan embassy in 1984. The police couldn't enter, nobody could be arrested, and the diplomats were expelled 11 days later. This young woman was murdered under cover of embassy immunity which is not what the Vienna Convention is for.

And yes - apparently he still has his tag on.

[Tigadee]

Uh. yeah it is. It is exactly like that.

Not sure I follow you. In my example:
Poor Bum = No money, innocent wrongly jailed, served a couple decades, rightfully awarded compensation.
Dotcom = Already rolling in millions, not-so-innocent wrongly jailed, served a few months, should be awarded compensation paid for by us taxpayers?

Are you lumping Dotcom in with the likes of Assange? He's no Ewen McDonald but he's no Assange either! If anyone should pay compensation, it should be the US, not us.

[caseye]

Not sure I follow you. In my example:
Poor Bum = No money, innocent wrongly jailed, served a couple decades, rightfully awarded compensation.
Dotcom = Already rolling in millions, not-so-innocent wrongly jailed, served a few months, should be awarded compensation paid for by us taxpayers?

Are you lumping Dotcom in with the likes of Assange? He's no Ewen McDonald but he's no Assange either! If anyone should pay compensation, it should be the US, not us.

Now I agree with you Tig.The US should be! butt won't.
He is not guilty of anything, HERE! and compensation IS Going to happen and yes we're going to be the ones paying it. Our fault, for not making sure our facts were straight and for gogoing and ga gaing when the FBI came over!
Sadly!
Hey ring me when you get chance.
at home mate.

[Winston001]

So far he's done absolutely nothing wrong here in NZ.
If he's wanted by other countries they need only invoke our extradition treaties and he's theirs.

His money is , or should be his, if he had access to it this would be costing us nothing.
The longer we allow his enforced detention and deny access to his money the more it IS Going to cost us.


Not really. With respect, the USA is using extradition treaties with NZ to bring Dotcom to the USA to face trial. A trial at which he may be acquitted.

Nobody squawked when the US captured and extradited Nai Yin Xue back to NZ to face trial and conviction for murdering his wife in Auckland.

As for Dotcom's money, he only spends that on his own legal representation. The NZ taxpayer - just like the US taxpayer - carries the cost of extradition. It makes no difference whether Dotcom is a millionaire or a pauper, the cost of law enforcement is borne by the state.

[oneofsix]

Not sure I follow you. In my example:
Poor Bum = No money, innocent wrongly jailed, served a couple decades, rightfully awarded compensation.
Dotcom = Already rolling in millions, not-so-innocent wrongly jailed, served a few months, should be awarded compensation paid for by us taxpayers?

Are you lumping Dotcom in with the likes of Assange? He's no Ewen McDonald but he's no Assange either! If anyone should pay compensation, it should be the US, not us.


Now I agree with you Tig.The US should be! butt won't.
He is not guilty of anything, HERE! and compensation IS Going to happen and yes we're going to be the ones paying it. Our fault, for not making sure our facts were straight and for gogoing and ga gaing when the FBI came over!
Sadly!
Hey ring me when you get chance.
at home mate.

Both of you I agree with your point that the US of A should pay but caseye you have also made a good point on why our politicians and police and therefore us should pay. It could be argued that for us living in NZ it is more important that our politicians and police are embarrassed by having to pay so that they are then more reluctant to pull the same stunt with less resourced NZ citizens, yeah like that would ever happen.

[Winston001]

We need to keep an even perspective here. Kim Dotcom is no angel. He is in fact a convicted criminal for credit card theft, pumping an internet share stock, and embezzlement.

Frankly he is not the sort of person our country should welcome and its embarrassing Shane Jones and the previous govt allowed him residence.

I know - he says he's turned over a new leaf and is one of the good guys now. Maybe but not many former fraudsters amass $30 million by honest means at the age of 38. Call me cynical.

[Tigadee]

It could be argued that for us living in NZ it is more important that our politicians and police are embarrassed by having to pay so that they are then more reluctant to pull the same stunt with less resourced NZ citizens, yeah like that would ever happen.

:blink: :killingme

As with petrol companies, I think the police i.e. government will just pass it on to us. WE will learn our lesson, oh yes, no doubt about that! :facepalm:

[oneofsix]

:blink: :killingme

As with petrol companies, I think the police i.e. government will just pass it on to us. WE will learn our lesson, oh yes, no doubt about that! :facepalm:

It will come out of their budgets. Yes, it will be paid from our taxes but from the taxes assigned to their budgets so there will not be a direct increase to us just as there wasn't with Arthur Alan Thomas. But what they have done is left a pile of steaming dung behind which will be thrown in their faces any other time they try to pull a similar stunt. In future they and the FBI know that they now need a bit of justification before they jump.

[SPman]

... In future they and the FBI know that they now need a bit of justification before they jump. Like.....that's stopped any of them in the past?.

[Akzle]

This cunt Dot.com is costing NZ taxpayers a fortune and it's the USA that has a problem with him not us! :confused: FFS!
why confused. that's just good business. government is all about business.

We need to keep an even perspective here. Kim Dotcom is no angel. He is in fact a convicted criminal for credit card theft, pumping an internet share stock, and embezzlement.

Frankly he is not the sort of person our country should welcome and its embarrassing Shane Jones and the previous govt allowed him residence.

I know - he says he's turned over a new leaf and is one of the good guys now. Maybe but not many former fraudsters amass $30 million by honest means at the age of 38. Call me cynical.

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he's so different from the cash swindling politicians, bankers et al. innit?
bad bad man! :nono

at any rate, he paid his dues (to key/banks) and you voted for them to make decisions for you. this is their decision. now YOU live with it.

[mashman]

The embassy is not part of Harrods and is certainly not on the first floor.:facepalm:
Number 3, Hans Crescent. Out the back of Harrods.

Fank you for the correction