Peak oil's a bust, eco fags

[carbonhed]

Do those fuckwits ever get anything right?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/02/peak-oil-we-we-wrong

[Woodman]

Either way we are fucking ourselves, so not really sure what your point is.

[Nova.]

CHEAPER PETROL WOOOOHOOOO!!! :2thumbsup

[oneofsix]

Either way we are fucking ourselves, so not really sure what your point is.

What is your point? We are dying from the moment of birth, every organism consumes that which it requires for survival it is just that humans recognise this an worry about, the dog, cat etc doesn't.

Sorry Nova, more fuel not necessarily cheaper, they need the money for fracking.

[Woodman]

What is your point? We are dying from the moment of birth, every organism consumes that which it requires for survival it is just that humans recognise this an worry about, the dog, cat etc doesn't.

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very interesting theory. Will go away and think about this.

[oneofsix]

very interesting theory. Will go away and think about this.

Thinking not fair, reaction more fun :corn:

[Tigadee]

Peak oil - Probably just a clever ruse by all the oil tycoons past to raise the prices of oil so they can have more money to develop the technology to tap into the harder-to-reach deposits, all while enjoying higher profits than ever before... :weep:

[george formby]

IIR, beyond the headlines, media bites & oh woe is us that the peak oil predictions caused, it was always stated as the easy to get oil that was running out. I can remember reading about the reserves in the Arctic & off the coast of South A Mercka when I was a nipper.

[Katman]

What is your point? We are dying from the moment of birth, every organism consumes that which it requires for survival it is just that humans recognise this an worry about, the dog, cat etc doesn't.


If dogs and cats consumed at a greater rate than they can replenish at they would soon start worrying.

[oneofsix]

If dogs and cats consumed at a greater rate than they can replenish at they would soon start worrying.

nah they wouldn't worry, they would just stop surviving but wouldn't change what they were doing. Anyhow they don't replenish their supplies, they have these stupid human animals to worry about that. :wacko:

[SMOKEU]

We will never run out of oil. Never, ever, ever, ever. Ever. Never.

[carbonhed]

Either way we are fucking ourselves, so not really sure what your point is.

Well only if you believe in Catastrophic Anthrpogenic Global Warming. I suspect they're full of shit on that one as well.

Here's a greenie who's seen the writing on the wall.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jun/15/james-lovelock-interview-gaia-theory?CMP=twt_gu

[mashman]

you suckers will believe anything woncha.

[puddytat]

So its all the Greenies/Eco freaks fault again......:facepalm:

Orrr is it just a knee jerk because when ever "they" suggest we try & do something , that it gives you an uneasy feeling in that small part of the brain (which has been proven to be shrinking in our species) that contains the centre for basic morals & ethics?

The last sentence was the crux I thought in the first link....how to look your children in the eye:weep:

[carbonhed]

you suckers will believe anything woncha.

Devastating comeback. Monbiot's going to be gutted he didn't see that one coming.

[mashman]

Devastating comeback. Monbiot's going to be gutted he didn't see that one coming.

It wasn't a comeback... Did you miss the point?

[george formby]

Seeing as it won't be long before we have our own oil & the kids are more interested in technology than ecology I'm going to buy more 2 strokes.

[carbonhed]

It wasn't a comeback... Did you miss the point?

You have a point?!?! Sorry didn't see that one coming.

[carbonhed]

The last sentence was the crux I thought in the first link....how to look your children in the eye:weep:

How will you explain away the doom laden childhoods you've inflicted on a generation when all your bullshit evaporates in front of your eyes?

[mashman]

You have a point?!?! Sorry didn't see that one coming.

Second sentence of the third paragraph.


How will you explain away the doom laden childhoods you've inflicted on a generation when all your bullshit evaporates in front of your eyes?

Aye, BAU, all's well... even though we still haven't got a true picture of what's going on and how/if we're affecting it.

[puddytat]

How will you explain away the doom laden childhoods you've inflicted on a generation when all your bullshit evaporates in front of your eyes?

I will be more than happy to be proven wrong.....time will tell.

[carbonhed]

I will be more than happy to be proven wrong.....time will tell.

Holier than thou, sanctimonious, cocksuckers don't get to be happy when they're proven wrong. Sorry.

[Usarka]

Some one needs to smoke some oil.

[puddytat]

Or "Huff" a little gas.....
Oh you forgot pompous , commie tree hugger, stoner pillowbitting poo pushing Honda rider. No doubt you could think of a few more.:scratch:
Fox is right up your alley aint it...

[Berries]

My bike runs on petrol not oil so I'm not that bothered either way.

[SS90]

My bike runs on petrol not oil so I'm not that bothered either way.

As always, some telling commets made in this thread, but the fact remains, some people are accepting this one, online article as fact.

In a nut shell, as has been mentioned, the price of oil has been jacked up to fund future endeavors, and that's about it, no matter what, the oil price will only continue to grow (just as VAT style taxes never go down, just up)

Just accept it.

Either that, or let's all stop using our vehicles so frivolously, and either walk, ride a sweat wheel or even the Bus instead of being victims to "the man" and then bitch about it.

No one puts a gun to our heads and MAKES us drive everywhere.

[carbonhed]

Or "Huff" a little gas.....
Oh you forgot pompous , commie tree hugger, stoner pillowbitting poo pushing Honda rider. No doubt you could think of a few more.:scratch:
Fox is right up your alley aint it...

Don't watch TV and prefer my insults a little punchier than that... but you show promise. Maybe less TV and more practice?

[Quasievil]

Petrol isn't expensive you just use to much

[oneofsix]

Petrol isn't expensive you just use to much

Relative to what? Compared to the price petrol used to be it is expensive, compared to what it will be ??
Makes getting to and from what expensive and it is the cheapest method, therefore it is expensive.
We talk in $/l but tend to really think in cost per journey or cost of living.

[Quasievil]

Relative to what? Compared to the price petrol used to be it is expensive, compared to what it will be ??
Makes getting to and from what expensive and it is the cheapest method, therefore it is expensive.
We talk in $/l but tend to really think in cost per journey or cost of living.

I was being tongue in Cheek mate, sorry

It is expensive I know and I appreciate the hardships some families face in respects to the pricing.
The costs associated with politics, exploration , refinement, shipping especially in this PC and H&S world have gone through the roof, couple that with the huge demand increases from markets like India China then the prices will go up.
Peak oil is when Demand outstrips supply (supply isn't from earth's resources but our refining capability)
Pricing is affected by this.

[puddytat]

Don't watch TV and prefer my insults a little punchier than that... but you show promise. Maybe less TV and more practice?

Nah I dont really do insults as Im a New Age kinda guy who is focusing on getting in touch with my feminine side whilst opening my third eye....:blink:

[carbonhed]

Nah I dont really do insults as Im a New Age kinda guy who is focusing on getting in touch with my feminine side whilst opening my third eye....:blink:

:laugh: Good for you.

[Tigadee]

Nah I dont really do insults as Im a New Age kinda guy who is focusing on getting in touch with my feminine side whilst opening my third eye....:blink:

I touched my feminine side but she slapped me and accused me of sexual harassment, and then went on a talk show bitching about me and how hard it is to live in me... Bitch! :(

[schrodingers cat]

Peak oil - Probably just a clever ruse by all the oil tycoons past to raise the prices of oil so they can have more money to develop the technology to tap into the harder-to-reach deposits, all while enjoying higher profits than ever before... :weep:

What? Technologies like seam gas extration techniques that have been in use since the 50's? And now are the new great evel.

I think you're right about the big profits. I just disagree that much was spent on developing technologies...

Actually I think the bullshit futures market has driven price up, not so much the oil industry itself

[Matt Bleck]

maybe someone should tell the yanks about all that oil they found in their own back yard! :laugh:

keep the blinkers on peep's!! :clap:

[SPman]

How will you explain away the doom laden childhoods you've inflicted on a generation when all your bullshit evaporates in front of your eyes?

- The flipside of no peak oil would be runaway climate change.
- The report Monbiot’s article is based on is a load of shit that basically predicts Iraq will stumble on endless cheap oil and we’ll all live happily ever after.
- A report from an oil executive that says production will increase by 17 million barrels a day to 110 mbd in 2020 (the executive uses a wide definition of oil including stuff with low net energy density to say we’re currently producing 93mbd, when most sources, including the authoritative BP statistical review of world energy say 83mbd, really narrow definitions say 73mbd).

- According to the report, despite world oil production having been flat for 6 years, barely budging in response to the biggest price signals for increased demand in history with oil price spikes every two years since 2008 (and one in 2005), we’re going to see a 20% increase in the next 8 years!

- The peak of conventional oil extraction was 2005 to 2006. Maintaining current production is relying more and more on unconventional extraction (fracking, etc), which is expensive and inconsistent


Monboit is also right when he says we will never reduce energy consumption to save ourselves or the planet. The more likely outcome is Malthusian collapse accompanied by endless wars for scarce resources. The winners, as always, will be the tooled up rich nations who will simply take what they need with fig leafs of justification.
I think that the environmental movement has to face the fact that their campaign objectives in relation to climate change – reduced consumption, move away from fossil fuels, population reduction – have been completly re-routed by a powerful propaganda campaign run by large corporations who have successfully taken a scientific debate and polarised and politicised it. The corporations have succeeded in making belief in climate change a matter of political persuasion.

[The Pastor]

yeah! oil! Woooo!

[flyingcrocodile46]

Peak oil production... Pffffffffffffft

We don't want to know about no stinking 'peak oil production' while riding $wiftly where and when we want with impunity
We care not for the $acrifice$ that must be made by the corporations that are here to serve us.
Nor do we care for petty concerns over the future of para$ite$ yet to be inflicted on us.

Give us our daily oil and just $hut the puck up. :bleh::bleh:

[Winston001]

One of the odd facts is we don't really know where oil comes from. Coal is the result of millions of years of plant growth compressed into layers of organic carbon and dates from 350 million years ago.

Oil is different. It is the remains of living creatures, mainly prehistoric plankton and is about 70 million years old although there are older deposits. But its all pretty much theory because microscopic organisms don't leave fossils for us to study, unlike the trees and ferns in coal.

There are other theories that the oil we draw is incredibly ancient, dating from one billion years ago and seeping up from deeply within the Earth's mantle. Or oil is created daily everywhere within the Earth's crust by the organisms which live there.

None of which means we won't use it up. Or that we won't poison the biosphere using it. Cos we are.

[Winston001]

And for the doubters regarding human industrial pollution (including burning coal and oil) Google organic carbon and inorganic carbon. Assuming you don't remember 5th form chemistry. :D

[SPman]

Peak oil production... Pffffffffffffft

We don't want to know about no stinking 'peak oil production' while riding $wiftly where and when we want with impunity
We care not for the $acrifice$ that must be made by the corporations that are here to serve us.
Nor do we care for petty concerns over the future of para$ite$ yet to be inflicted on us.

Give us our daily oil and just $hut the puck up. :bleh::bleh:

Yeah.......91 was only $1.22/l this week at our local - quick ....fill up all the 2 strokers.......

[carbonhed]

I think that the environmental movement has to face the fact that their campaign objectives in relation to climate change – reduced consumption, move away from fossil fuels, population reduction – have been completly re-routed by a powerful propaganda campaign run by large corporations who have successfully taken a scientific debate and polarised and politicised it. The corporations have succeeded in making belief in climate change a matter of political persuasion.[/I]

Wow someones drunk deep from the Koolaid!

So have you heard where they're going to be settting up the death camps? Will you be volunteering for termination for the sake of the planet, or is the plan just to keep picking on those coloured folks in the third world, whose arses you never tire of kicking?

[SPman]

So have you heard where they're going to be settting up the death camps? Will you be volunteering for termination for the sake of the planet, or is the plan just to keep picking on those coloured folks in the third world, whose arses you never tire of kicking?
Been reading Alex Jones's Prison Planet site a bit too much, methinks.

[Berries]

So have you heard where they're going to be settting up the death camps?
Lower Hutt apparently.

[carbonhed]

Lower Hutt apparently.

The Hutt's the home of the living dead... which isn't the same at all.

[schrodingers cat]

It is fair to say that that human activity (particularly the use of fossil fuels) has accelerated the natural climate cycle.

The downstream effects can be predicted generally and it is likely that a rapid rate of change in climate will put pressure on many natural and man made systems. Whilst natural systems are largely self-adjusting the availability and distribution of resources will become a challenge.

A good many, well intentioned, solutions are posited but the arguments and conflicting agendas muddy the water.

Any solution to any problem requires individuals to accept the solution (voluntarily or not) and apply the solution.

In essence - it requires RATIONAL behaviour.

And deep down, humans are not rational.

They can be - if it suits their needs. Or they cannot be - if it suits their needs

And for as many who care, there are plenty who don't give a fuck. Or, who are ambivalent in the face of the shit fight, like me.

[Swoop]

Well, there is a shit-load of oil now being kept underground AND a heap of cheap oil sitting inside ships waiting for a buyer!


12 July, 2012: The new, and more severe, sanctions against Iran have been in force for nearly two weeks, and they are hurting. Oil shipments, according to the Iranian government, are down 30 percent. Inflation, according to the government is somewhere north of 20 percent. It's actually closer to 30 percent, largely because the government just prints more money to give angry Iranians, to help offset the ever-rising prices. This just makes the inflation worse.


The U.S. made no secret of sending more mine clearing equipment to the Persian Gulf. This is one of several American responses to increasingly belligerent threats coming from Iran. The new sanctions, meant mainly to cut Iranian oil sales and smuggling efforts (in response to earlier sanctions) are hurting. Inflation and shortages of imported goods are both getting worse. This hurts most Iranians and has turned public opinion against the nuclear weapons program. The religious dictatorship that has run the country for three decades long ago lost the loyalty of most Iranians. The corruption, brutality and hypocrisy of the government has been matched by brutality and the loyalty of a quarter of the population that, for religious reasons, backs the clerics. Officially, the sanctions are meant to persuade the Iranian government to halt their nuclear weapons program. Unofficially, the sanctions will only do that if enough Iranians get angry enough to rebel, or convince the government that the long anticipated rebellion is about to happen. No sign of that yet.


Some countries have been granted temporary exemption from the Iranian sanctions. These include the major customers (China, India, South Korea and Japan) for Iranian oil, who are being given several months (or as long as needed) to line up other suppliers. Most oil sales are via multi-month contracts for huge (millions of barrels) amounts. The gives the supplier and customer certainty that makes it possible to efficiently run pumping, shipping, refining and distribution to end-users.

Normally Iran pumps three million barrels a day. But about a third of that output has already lost its customers and oil wells are being shut down to reduce production. In June, Iranian production officially shrank 150,000 barrels a day. But the reality is greater. Iran has been storing unsold oil on ships, but there are no more unused tankers for this (despite ordering 12 new ones from China and India) and Iran is hustling to expand the black market for oil. Iranian sales agents are making it known that deals can be made, to get large quantities of oil at large discounts. There is some risk, but the profits would be great. The United States is using its extensive intelligence, and oil industry resources to find these Iranian deals going down, and to inflict pain on the buyers. For this reason, selling the oil on those "storage tankers" has been very difficult. Iran, however, has a tremendous incentive (survival of the clerical dictatorship) to move the oil. Iranian smugglers have been very resourceful in the past, but smuggling oil that must be moved in 330 meter long super tankers, is much more difficult.


Iran has made it clear that if the sanctions really hurt (they already do), the Straits of Hormuz could be closed by Iranian missiles, mines and warships. This is unlikely, as this would be a declaration of war against most of the world. The threat was mainly for internal consumption, because the oil sales sanctions are hurting.

Right now, the Iranian government is facing monthly losses of $3 billion a month because of lost oil sales. The Iranian government budget is $38 billion a month, so that lost oil income is a major problem for cash-strapped Iran. Because the Iranian currency is rapidly losing value against foreign currencies, the government budget's buying power outside the country is closer to $25 billion a month. This makes it much more expensive to buy foreign goods. Much of the budget goes to aid the poor and unemployed (who got that way largely because of the corruption and economic mismanagement of the religious dictatorship).

Money must also be lavished on the quarter of the population who support the ruling clerics. Many Iranians are already feeling the pinch and they are not happy.

[oneofsix]

It is fair to say that that human activity (particularly the use of fossil fuels) has accelerated the natural climate cycle.


Only as far as it is fair to say emptying a bucket of water into lake Taupo increases its depth. One volcano dwarfs our piddly efforts at accelerating the natural climate cycle.

[mashman]

The ultimate weapon of mass destruction. Money! Fuckin western savages!

[SPman]

Only as far as it is fair to say emptying a bucket of water into lake Taupo increases its depth. One volcano dwarfs our piddly efforts at accelerating the natural climate cycle.
Bullshit! You don't read many scientific articles or papers, do you!

The published estimates of the global CO2 emission rate for all degassing subaerial (on land) and submarine volcanoes lie in a range from 0.13 gigaton to 0.44 gigaton per year (Gerlach, 1991; Varekamp et al., 1992; Allard, 1992; Sano and Williams, 1996; Marty and Tolstikhin, 1998). The preferred global estimates of the authors of these studies range from about 0.15 to 0.26 gigaton per year. The 35-gigaton projected anthropogenic CO2 emission for 2010 is about 80 to 270 times larger than the respective maximum and minimum annual global volcanic CO2 emission estimates. It is 135 times larger than the highest preferred global volcanic CO2 estimate of 0.26 gigaton per year (Marty and Tolstikhin, 1998).
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/climate.php

[schrodingers cat]

Only as far as it is fair to say emptying a bucket of water into lake Taupo increases its depth. One volcano dwarfs our piddly efforts at accelerating the natural climate cycle.

Somewhat. I think your analogy is relevant except the scaling the wrong.
Reduce the lake size, reduce the lake outflow effect and increase the size of the bucket. Now keep adding day after day after day (a little bigger bucket each day)

I'm not a global warming nut. Only those in denial would claim that massive human population and (fossil) based activity has no effect.

PS : Since I have no children frankly I don't give a rats arse if the human race destroys itself.

[Voltaire]

There was a good program a couple of weeks back on Choice about " the 7 sisters' ( aka the oil companies).
Interesting bit was the US got into an arms race with the Soviet Union who were funding it off oil sales.....the US forced Saudi to produce more and flood the market and the Soviet Union went bust.
Most of out oil seems to come from places with dodgy govts as they get personally wealthy as none of the money filters down.
Russia produces a lot and pipes it thru Syria........to the Med for Europe......so no help coming there....
Libyia on the other hand is in US and UK hands......oh.....the same UK and US who got rid of Gaddaffi.....
apparently Mr Chavez is different so the US boycotts him.
Dirty stuff oil.....

[mashman]

Only as far as it is fair to say emptying a bucket of water into lake Taupo increases its depth. One volcano dwarfs our piddly efforts at accelerating the natural climate cycle.

If that were the case, would be be happy to keep on polluting?

[blue rider]

is all normal,....weather patterns are normal.....nothing to see here, nothing what so ever.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/07/us-declares-largest-natural-disaster-area-ever-due-drought/54479/

[mashman]

is all normal,....weather patterns are normal.....nothing to see here, nothing what so ever.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/07/us-declares-largest-natural-disaster-area-ever-due-drought/54479/

I saw a story the other day that said that 2011 was the worst year on record, weather and disaster wise, in US history. It also mentioned the floods in Asia and the UK etc... aye, nothing to see at all. Natural or not, we really aren't ready for it and really don't know... too much fuckin around counting the money. Unfortunately I hope it gets worse, much worse.

[carbonhed]

Unfortunately I hope it gets worse, much worse.

The perfect measure of your "character".

[mashman]

The perfect measure of your "character".

:rofl:... coming from you that means absolutely nuffink. Tis those of a character, lack of that is, similar to yourself that leave me with the dark thoughts :yes:... other than that I'm optimism central :banana:

[Usarka]

Damn straight that is optimistism!

The potential for it to be a catalyst for major scientifica and technical advances, innovation, social reforms etc are huger than huge. Sure there might be a period of pain first. Put that mutha fuckin singularity on a mutha fuckin plane!

[mashman]

Damn straight that is optimistism!

The potential for it to be a catalyst for major scientifica and technical advances, innovation, social reforms etc are huger than huge. Sure there might be a period of pain first. Put that mutha fuckin singularity on a mutha fuckin plane!

aaaaaaaaas long as the scientists etc... have survived. WTF is the use of a bunker full of politicians and war mongers... they have a hard enough time being proactive let alone innovative. Of course a larger downside could be that the oceans will flood with the new never ending supply of oil :eek:. Still, as a wise man once said put that mutha fuckin singularity on a mutha fuckin plane... not that I know what that means, but it sounded like a bodacious, righteous and positive thing to do... but we'll all need to be singing from the same hymn sheet in order to put that idea to bed.

[carbonhed]

:rofl:... coming from you that means absolutely nuffink. Tis those of a character, lack of that is, similar to yourself that leave me with the dark thoughts :yes:... other than that I'm optimism central :banana:

Riiiiiight. It's all other peoples fault. Bit of a theme in your life isn't it?

Hoping for disaster doesn't really qualify you as being optimistic... lots of other things but optimistic not.

[mashman]

Riiiiiight. It's all other peoples fault. Bit of a theme in your life isn't it?

Hoping for disaster doesn't really qualify you as being optimistic... lots of other things but optimistic not.

I'm sorry... meh. You're right... meh meh.

[schrodingers cat]

Kapow!

You totally fucking owned him there bro

Kazam!

Smashed his pussy ass. You is da sizzle mofucker
Yea! Smashed him down. With class. With wit.
That shit earns you RESPECT and we all want to be like you. Every golden turd that drips from your mouth
Mashman for world whatever the fuck

[mashman]

Kapow!

You totally fucking owned him there bro

Kazam!

Smashed his pussy ass. You is da sizzle mofucker
Yea! Smashed him down. With class. With wit.
That shit earns you RESPECT and we all want to be like you. Every golden turd that drips from your mouth
Mashman for world whatever the fuck

aaaaaand to underline my osomeness, and especially for you (but not wholly, don't be too disappointed), meh meh meh. You're welcome.

[puddytat]

I heard somewhere that the changing climate is also effecting the migratory flights of Birds....seemingly the weather is confusing them & they are unable to decide when the time is right....& no doubt that it'll effect thier food supplies.(if weve left them any)
I think well be watching the collapse of the natural system before we see the collapse of our own. We are already in the largest extinction event since the asteroid of 65,000,000 years ago....

[carbonhed]

I heard somewhere that the changing climate is also effecting the migratory flights of Birds....seemingly the weather is confusing them & they are unable to decide when the time is right....& no doubt that it'll effect thier food supplies.(if weve left them any)
I think well be watching the collapse of the natural system before we see the collapse of our own. We are already in the largest extinction event since the asteroid of 65,000,000 years ago....

Aaaaaand... that's just a pack of lies as well.

[oneofsix]

I heard somewhere that the changing climate is also effecting the migratory flights of Birds....seemingly the weather is confusing them & they are unable to decide when the time is right....& no doubt that it'll effect thier food supplies.(if weve left them any)
I think well be watching the collapse of the natural system before we see the collapse of our own. We are already in the largest extinction event since the asteroid of 65,000,000 years ago....

Nature has been here and further before and adjusted. The only difference this time is that we humans think it is something special.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Nature has been here and further before and adjusted. The only difference this time is that we humans think it is something special.

Probably the truest thing said in this thread so far.

[Voltaire]

Probably the truest thing said in this thread so far.

I watched the Al Gore An Inconvenient Truth movie last week .......

I liked how skeptics said it was all bullshit.....and he showed the same view was taken against smoking.....

The 600 000 year old ice samples with trapped co 2 told an interesting story.

I'm doing my bit by sorting out my recyclables......:crazy:

[puddytat]

Nature has been here and further before and adjusted. The only difference this time is that we humans think we are something special.

Fixed it for you...

[carbonhed]

The 600 000 year old ice samples with trapped co 2 told an interesting story.


A very interesting story. What "honest Al" neglected to mention was that the CO2 rises lagged the temperature rise by 800 years... :lol:

[Voltaire]

A very interesting story. What "honest Al" neglected to mention was that the CO2 rises lagged the temperature rise by 800 years... :lol:

Says "Honest Who"?

At the end of the day we are all just fed what 'they' want us to know....and I bet they love the internet....another great distraction.....better than TV.:lol:

[schrodingers cat]

I'm doing my bit by sorting out my recyclables......:crazy:

Actually recycling is the 3rd preferred option.
Reduce
Reuse
Recycle

I'm doing my bit my bike by riding a 15 yr old sprot bike...

Increasing population is a fundemental driver.
Encouraging consumption is a second driver
Economic systems that require constant growth require the two proviously memtioned drivers

[carbonhed]

Says "Honest Who"?

At the end of the day we are all just fed what 'they' want us to know....and I bet they love the internet....another great distraction.....better than TV.:lol:

Here's a page that covers some of the papers published on the topic :-

http://www.co2science.org/articles/V6/N26/EDIT.php

There is also a paper recently published by Shakun that claims the opposite.

Al's movie was taken to court in the UK to stop it being shown in schools without it's flaws being explained.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3310137/Al-Gores-nine-Inconvenient-Untruths.html

[Voltaire]

Here's a page that covers some of the papers published on the topic :-

http://www.co2science.org/articles/V6/N26/EDIT.php

There is also a paper recently published by Shakun that claims the opposite.

Al's movie was taken to court in the UK to stop it being shown in schools without it's flaws being explained.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3310137/Al-Gores-nine-Inconvenient-Untruths.html

...so no one really knows for sure.... oh well once a few billion Chinese and Indians get cars it might become clearer :lol:

[Tigadee]

oh well once a few billion Chinese and Indians get cars it might become clearer

By the time they do, electric or some other alternative to combustion engine-power will be available and made mroe cheaply in those countries too, I'll wager...

[Swoop]

once a few billion Chinese and Indians get cars it might become clearer :lol:

Yup, the planet can really sustain the resources required with their driving skills.:oi-grr: