Mega bullies, dot com

[Brian d marge]

http://gizmodo.com/5923432/kim-dotcom-joe-biden-ordered-the-megaupload-shutdown
So the us of an A , doesn’t bully others to get its way

even if this is " garbage" there is no smoke without fire

Somethings amiss

oh,, and wasn’t there the sky net ruling ,

wonder what will be next , Water, Acc ,, Nuclear ,,,,,

Just a thought

Stephen

[Maha]

They said ''NO'' to two NZ Navy boats participating in the Pearl Harbour celebrations because of our no nukes policy.
I see the irony of that.

[scott411]

They said ''NO'' to two NZ Navy boats participating in the Pearl Harbour celebrations because of our no nukes policy.
I see the irony of that.

bet the Navy boys are stoked with being in Honalulu Habour is way closer to all the tourist bars and beaches anyway,

as to Dotcom, I see last night he says that the others are holding up the hearings, but his lawyers are trying to get off on every technicallity as well, if he thinks he has not done any wrong why does he trying to fight the extradition, why does he not go prove he is right in the US courts, and embarrass the US Goverment and FBI there?

he got into this country since he had a heap of cash, he had convictions that others would have been turned away with, really sick of the whole thing, he has the media wrapped round his finger and he is a master or PR, another trail by media,

[Swoop]

bet the Navy boys are stoked with being in Honalulu Habour is way closer to all the tourist bars and beaches anyway.
I was thinking exactly the same.
Shore runs will be EPIC for the crews!

The US has effectively given a gold-plated parking space to the RNZN.:niceone:

[Paul in NZ]

Well if I had a choice I wouldn't want to be tried in a US court (esp if Uncle Sam or worse, Hollywood didn't approve of me)....

Merkins can be a tad punitive on folks Hollywood don't like....

[Paul in NZ]

I was thinking exactly the same.
Shore runs will be EPIC for the crews!

The US has effectively given a gold-plated parking space to the RNZN.:niceone:

Curses - atomic weapons trumped by something far far more deadly....

[Swoop]

Curses - atomic weapons trumped by something far far more deadly....
I bet the yanks are still miffed over the Aussie sub incident in Pearl. Perhaps not though, since they have short memories.

[paturoa]

What is wrong with that?

I struggle with this whole dot com thing. Some I've talked with seem to think he is some sort of modern day Robin Hood good character. There are a lot of stupid people on this planet!

The analogy I use is....

There are a lot of criminals out there, breaking into your homes, stealing your property, your goods and your motorbikes.

If someone out there set up a business charging a fee to transport, store, and distribute this stolen property, for both the thieves themselves and to deliver to the people "recieving" these stolen goods, there would be vigilante lynch mobs at his mansion.

Now suppose you went to the popo and they essentially did nothing for years. Would you not then be assembling the vigilante mob and going to visit your local polly?

[scott411]

What is wrong with that?

I struggle with this whole dot com thing. Some I've talked with seem to think he is some sort of modern day Robin Hood good character. There are a lot of stupid people on this planet!

The analogy I use is....

There are a lot of criminals out there, breaking into your homes, stealing your property, your goods and your motorbikes.

If someone out there set up a business charging a fee to transport, store, and distribute this stolen property, for both the thieves themselves and to deliver to the people "recieving" these stolen goods, there would be vigilante lynch mobs at his mansion.

Now suppose you went to the popo and they essentially did nothing for years. Would you not then be assembling the vigilante mob and going to visit your local polly?

good way to put it,

but trademe does the same thing, at least they track and report the stolen items to the police when alerted to it, (or they used to) Dotcom's offer to take down any offending material is not really the same as assiting the police in apprehending and prosocuting the offenders,

[skippa1]

What is wrong with that?

I struggle with this whole dot com thing. Some I've talked with seem to think he is some sort of modern day Robin Hood good character. There are a lot of stupid people on this planet!

The analogy I use is....

There are a lot of criminals out there, breaking into your homes, stealing your property, your goods and your motorbikes.

If someone out there set up a business charging a fee to transport, store, and distribute this stolen property, for both the thieves themselves and to deliver to the people "recieving" these stolen goods, there would be vigilante lynch mobs at his mansion.

Now suppose you went to the popo and they essentially did nothing for years. Would you not then be assembling the vigilante mob and going to visit your local polly?

Isnt he more like storage king?

[paturoa]

good way to put it,

but trademe does the same thing, at least they track and report the stolen items to the police when alerted to it, (or they used to) Dotcom's offer to take down any offending material is not really the same as assiting the police in apprehending and prosocuting the offenders,


Isnt he more like storage king?

Retardme I believe works hard to weed out the thieves and they would be a tiny minority on there. Rather than nudge, nudge, wink, wink, come over here. Where the legit people are the minority.

I was not aware that storage king has set up its primary business model / revenue from thieves and recievers. Thinking as I'm typing this I don't recall ever seeing that businesses name in that context. Perhaps the popo should have a nosey?

[oneofsix]

Isnt he more like storage king?

He provided you a place to store large amounts of data. If you chose to store your family photos and share them from there then good for you. He provided Hollywood moguls with a method of removing any material they thought infringed their protection racket.

The NZ Police and officials were brown nosing fools, the US of A authorities took NZ for a pack of idiots and generally our authorities are trying their hardest to prove them right. A high court judge has made the NZ authorities smell the shit they stuck their noses in.

[bogan]

Yup, US government doesn't like competition with legal loopholers it seems!


as to Dotcom, I see last night he says that the others are holding up the hearings, but his lawyers are trying to get off on every technicallity as well, if he thinks he has not done any wrong why does he trying to fight the extradition, why does he not go prove he is right in the US courts, and embarrass the US Goverment and FBI there?

The US are looking for a scapegoat here, to set an example. They already showed bullying tactics taking down the site, and having NZ police raid his mansion. If it were me I'd want to stay well away from the place too!


What is wrong with that?

I struggle with this whole dot com thing. Some I've talked with seem to think he is some sort of modern day Robin Hood good character. There are a lot of stupid people on this planet!

The analogy I use is....

There are a lot of criminals out there, breaking into your homes, stealing your property, your goods and your motorbikes.

If someone out there set up a business charging a fee to transport, store, and distribute this stolen property, for both the thieves themselves and to deliver to the people "recieving" these stolen goods, there would be vigilante lynch mobs at his mansion.

Now suppose you went to the popo and they essentially did nothing for years. Would you not then be assembling the vigilante mob and going to visit your local polly?

Downloading copies of free-to-air tv shows is a little different to some wanker running off with your laptop wouldn't you say?

[skippa1]

I was not aware that storage king has set up its primary business model / revenue from thieves and recievers. Thinking as I'm typing this I don't recall ever seeing that businesses name in that context. Perhaps the popo should have a nosey?

Aw come on that is only a subjective view based on what you believe was going on. Doesnt he just provide a storage facility with a cheaper slower access door, or a pay to enter faster entrance. Storage King provide exactly the same service, I stored my bike in one for 4 months, they didnt ask for proof of ownership, a registration number or anything. Are you trying to tell me that the hundreds of storage facilities around NZ dont store stolen goods?

[skippa1]

He provided you a place to store large amounts of data. If you chose to store your family photos and share them from there then good for you. He provided Hollywood moguls with a method of removing any material they thought infringed their protection racket.

The NZ Police and officials were brown nosing fools, the US of A authorities took NZ for a pack of idiots and generally our authorities are trying their hardest to prove them right. A high court judge has made the NZ authorities smell the shit they stuck their noses in.

no argument from me. I think he is getting fucked over and I wouldnt wat to go to the US if I were him.

[Tigadee]

bet the Navy boys are stoked with being in Honalulu Habour is way closer to all the tourist bars and beaches anyway,

Heck yeah, what's the complaint, aye? :laugh: I think the US Govt is doing our boys a favour! After all, why only NZ? It's because they singled us out for favoured status...

"Thanks for your help with DotCom, here's a little something to say Thank you... We don't even do it for the Chinese and Russkies!"


as to Dotcom, I see last night he says that the others are holding up the hearings, but his lawyers are trying to get off on every technicallity as well, if he thinks he has not done any wrong why does he trying to fight the extradition, why does he not go prove he is right in the US courts, and embarrass the US Goverment and FBI there?

Because the US Govt might put him on The Biggest Loser, and he doesn't want to lose his beautiful figure?

Why not fight it here in NZ where the prisoners get milk and honey and the citizens get rock and vinegar? It's the smart thing to do...


he got into this country since he had a heap of cash, he had convictions that others would have been turned away with, really sick of the whole thing, he has the media wrapped round his finger and he is a master or PR, another trail by media,

In that case, it's a fair go for the USA vs DotCom since one has the NZ Govt wrapped around their finger and the other has the media wrapped around his...

[Akzle]

why does he not go prove he is right in the US courts, and embarrass the US Goverment and FBI there?
hahahahahahahahhaha
haha
hahah
hah.
justice in an american court.... that's probably more rare than justice in an NZ one, and harder to find than cake at fat camp.
why go anywhere, he can embarrass everyone from right where he is.
i'm glad to see he's not asking for money (it's tax $$ anyway) but i'd like to see some firings.



Now suppose you went to the popo and they essentially did nothing for years. Would you not then be assembling the vigilante mob and going to visit your local polly?
no. that would be illegal, and then the police would come after you because you're a far easier target.

[scott411]

i'm glad to see he's not asking for money (it's tax $$ anyway) but i'd like to see some firings.[/COLOR]

no. that would be illegal, and then the police would come after you because you're a far easier target.



, his lawyers have started talking about compensation yesterday,

[Tigadee]

, his lawyers have started talking about compensation yesterday,

He gets to :motu: in the face of The Man, isn't that compensation enough? :weird:

[george formby]

The fly in the ointment for me is the fact that Hollywood was given everything they needed to police what was available from Megaupload, at any time they could remove or ask megaupload to remove their intellectual property. Whether the opportunity to identify & prosecute the individuals who were using the site to share their property was available to them, I'm not sure, that would be a quagmire of privacy laws no doubt.
Any hoo, rather than be proactive & use this open door the moguls & their old boy network have attacked the individuals who offered the storage, at the cost of tax payers here & in the US.
Now call me sceptical, but I think an accountant has crunched the numbers on this & it is the cheapest way to put the wind up down loaders & protect Hollywood property. The sequestering of private information on the site is no more than collateral damage to them & I bet they know exactly what it will cost to recompense those individuals, if that ever happens.

Corporate & individual greed, Kim Dotcom may just have been batting for the wrong team.

Nevertheless, fascinating how it is panning out.

[scott411]

The fly in the ointment for me is the fact that Hollywood was given everything they needed to police what was available from Megaupload, at any time they could remove or ask megaupload to remove their intellectual property. Whether the opportunity to identify & prosecute the individuals who were using the site to share their property was available to them, I'm not sure, that would be a quagmire of privacy laws no doubt.


if a car dealer was selling stolen cars onbehalf of the thiefs, but letting poeple pick up the stolen ones when they found it, would that be ok? under NZ law no, because they have to make sure it is not stolen first, he is liable if he is advertising it,

as for the storage king argument, if storage king where charging people to look at your bike or take pictures of it, then they would be more like megaupload? would they be liable then?

[Nova.]

The difference here is that its not really being stolen, its just a copy.

[bogan]

if a car dealer was selling stolen cars onbehalf of the thiefs, but letting poeple pick up the stolen ones when they found it, would that be ok? under NZ law no, because they have to make sure it is not stolen first, he is liable if he is advertising it,

as for the storage king argument, if storage king where charging people to look at your bike or take pictures of it, then they would be more like megaupload? would they be liable then?

Megaupload doesn't make money from selling the files, it makes money by providing the network for others to share files, and most of what it makes is through advertising too.

If you want a car analogy, it would be the shipping companies. Do they open each container and examine the contents to see if they contain stolen cars before loading and shipping them? Even that isn't an ideal comparison because it doesn't address the copying part.

Quite simply, it is what it is, putting up straw man arguments just muddies the waters.

[george formby]

[QUOTE=george formby;1130352106]The fly in the ointment for me is the fact that Hollywood was given everything they needed to police what was available from Megaupload, at any time they could remove or ask megaupload to remove their intellectual property. Whether the opportunity to identify & prosecute the individuals who were using the site to share their property was available to them, I'm not sure, that would be a quagmire of privacy laws no doubt.
[QUOTE]

if a car dealer was selling stolen cars onbehalf of the thiefs, but letting poeple pick up the stolen ones when they found it, would that be ok? under NZ law no, because they have to make sure it is not stolen first, he is liable if he is advertising it,

as for the storage king argument, if storage king where charging people to look at your bike or take pictures of it, then they would be more like megaupload? would they be liable then?

I'm struggling to fit these physical analogies into the internet frame. Someone posted that the Government should be liable for accidents on the road because building the road facilitated the accident. If a stolen car is sat in pay car park bearing a valid ticket with a for sale sign on it who is liable? Not really relevant.

And the main head scratcher for me is why is it only Mega upload in this situation? Google, Youtube, Piratebay, Torrentz, Veetle etc, etc are disseminating the same media so surely should be in the same predicament.
It's all a bit off to me.
Another Neo Conservative conspiracy? The digital media version of Iraq.. An answer without a question.

[scott411]

[QUOTE=scott411;1130352143][QUOTE=george formby;1130352106]The fly in the ointment for me is the fact that Hollywood was given everything they needed to police what was available from Megaupload, at any time they could remove or ask megaupload to remove their intellectual property. Whether the opportunity to identify & prosecute the individuals who were using the site to share their property was available to them, I'm not sure, that would be a quagmire of privacy laws no doubt.


I'm struggling to fit these physical analogies into the internet frame. Someone posted that the Government should be liable for accidents on the road because building the road facilitated the accident. If a stolen car is sat in pay car park bearing a valid ticket with a for sale sign on it who is liable? Not really relevant.

And the main head scratcher for me is why is it only Mega upload in this situation? Google, Youtube, Piratebay, Torrentz, Veetle etc, etc are disseminating the same media so surely should be in the same predicament.
It's all a bit off to me.
Another Neo Conservative conspiracy? The digital media version of Iraq.. An answer without a question.

i am sure if this case gets proven, then the others you mentioned would be next in line, there is already private action against youtube,

I agree the cases i use are different, but so are the shipping companies, as they are not dupiclating the cars they ship,

[george formby]

[QUOTE=george formby;1130352163][QUOTE=scott411;1130352143]

i am sure if this case gets proven, then the others you mentioned would be next in line, there is already private action against youtube,

I agree the cases i use are different, but so are the shipping companies, as they are not dupiclating the cars they ship,

I do believe Youtube has had it's day in court & won, could be wrong, though & I'm happy to be educated. I also recall that potentially Google came under fire but it fizzled out, again, unsure of my facts.
Anyhoo, the New World order marches on. Would you like fries with that?

[Brian d marge]

my local band ( who are actually vg) are quite happy for you to copy and share their music ... As for America , and its bully boys , I hope you lose everything , ,,,,and sorry no the new hollywood block buster ,,you can keep it .Mythbusters with advertising , sure no problem

Stephen

[george formby]

my local band ( who are actually vg) are quite happy for you to copy and share their music ... As for America , and its bully boys , I hope you lose everything , ,,,,and sorry no the new hollywood block buster ,,you can keep it .Mythbusters with advertising , sure no problem

Stephen

Blur have just released two new tracks on Twitter..

[oneofsix]

I do believe Youtube has had it's day in court & won, could be wrong, though & I'm happy to be educated. I also recall that potentially Google came under fire but it fizzled out, again, unsure of my facts.
Anyhoo, the New World order marches on. Would you like fries with that?

Chilly fries?

[scott411]

my local band ( who are actually vg) are quite happy for you to copy and share their music

so because they are, does that mean the entire worldwide music industry should give everything away for free?? i would suggest since they have nothing to lose, thats why they give it away, a loss leader as such hoping to gain an audience for fame and fortune later on,

the copyright protection has changed with the advent of digital music, and file sharing, I am not sure what the answer is, but i would not want my hard work given away for free just because people dont think they should have to pay for it,

the Music and Movie companies are the evil face, but they pay thousands of people to work or contract for them, they would be a massive employer in teh US, and i can see why they would have some goverment influence, as do the major employers in NZ.

[Usarka]

music has gone back to being all about gigs. A lot of bands these days accept that they won't make huge record sales, but if illegal downloads = tickets at the gate then it's a reasonable trade off.

[bogan]

the copyright protection has changed with the advent of digital music, and file sharing, I am not sure what the answer is, but i would not want my hard work given away for free just because people dont think they should have to pay for it

As mashman would say, maybe that is the answer :shifty: It is all changing, better or worse it will always be easy to illegally download music, big music has to accept that and learn to work with it. Make it easier to get it legally would be the obvious choice I would have thought...

[george formby]

A lot of up & coming musicians & movie makers are using the net to get noticed because it is such a struggle to break into the industry & many feel they do not want the restrictions that major producers impose on their creativity. They do want dollars & recognition, though. In many ways the net is a level playing field where talent & tenacity will get you noticed.
I think the value of artists is changing too, I would guess they make more money through endorsements, guest appearances & branding than they do from music sales. To a certain extent movies too, with accompanying advertising, product placement, tie ins, merchandise etc. The movies have the big screen & 3D, musicians have the ever growing live audience & ever more spectacular concert appeal. The net cannot steal this aspect of the business, it's theatre.
It's ironic that Hollywood is whingeing about downloading when every year a movie shatters the previous box office record, same with musicians, we regularly hear that so and so has just sold more records than anybody else.
Big media speak with fork tongue...

[Brian d marge]

Red hat, canical (sp) blender ,,in fact most linux application , are doing very nicely thanks ..I had to deal with the goal posts moving when I started out as a mechanic, the bike industry is now an entertainment /hobbiest market rather than family transport
from 1500 km first big services to 24 000 km..same happened when the spinning looms got faster .....
change the business model or .......

Apple has had a go , .....

Stephen

when a market forces free trade , but lock labour movement and is very protectionist ,,,Im losing sight of that free trade ideal


so because they are, does that mean the entire worldwide music industry should give everything away for free?? i would suggest since they have nothing to lose, thats why they give it away, a loss leader as such hoping to gain an audience for fame and fortune later on,

the copyright protection has changed with the advent of digital music, and file sharing, I am not sure what the answer is, but i would not want my hard work given away for free just because people dont think they should have to pay for it,

the Music and Movie companies are the evil face, but they pay thousands of people to work or contract for them, they would be a massive employer in teh US, and i can see why they would have some goverment influence, as do the major employers in NZ.

[oneofsix]

so because they are, does that mean the entire worldwide music industry should give everything away for free?? i would suggest since they have nothing to lose, thats why they give it away, a loss leader as such hoping to gain an audience for fame and fortune later on,

the copyright protection has changed with the advent of digital music, and file sharing, I am not sure what the answer is, but i would not want my hard work given away for free just because people dont think they should have to pay for it,

the Music and Movie companies are the evil face, but they pay thousands of people to work or contract for them, they would be a massive employer in teh US, and i can see why they would have some goverment influence, as do the major employers in NZ.

:rofl: If you are a starting out artist type person not only will you give your work and all rights to it to big business for free but in fact you will be indebted to them. Any new stuff you produce will also belong to them. Their major industry is their lawyers. They also dictate what type of music or ideas will be published or played, not just by them but by anyone who wants to use their stuff, closed shop. Like a kindergarten put a picture of MM on their play room wall can and are sued.
Copyright protection hasn't changed with digital music and file share, remember cassettes. People have now been pissed off with being manipulated by sharks and are fighting back.
Regions on DVDs was a big driver, when people realised that the old PAL A vs NTSC vs Pal B etc no longer applied but the studios were still trying to dictate when you would be able to access the latest movie on DVD and that some would pay more their fair share. This all enforced by an artificial system. Then the music industry tried a similar thing but breaking the CD standard to do it although they lied and still called it a CD (and they talk copyright protect :facepalm: )

Nah Big business is still about starving the creative people, unless they are creative accountants, and feeding the sharks. They just don't like it that outsiders a grabbing a slice and also assisting their victims to escape.

[Akzle]

And the main head scratcher for me is why is it only Mega upload in this situation? Google, Youtube, Piratebay, Torrentz, Veetle etc, etc are disseminating the same media so surely should be in the same predicament.
It's all a bit off to me.
Another Neo Conservative conspiracy? The digital media version of Iraq.. An answer without a question.
torrents get around the "laws" because you're not sharing whole files, only small packets.
also, i beieve there was a legal cockup with the sale+purchase when piratebay bought their server building, they actually ended up with alloidal title to the land it was on, so they're not under the jurisdiction of america (although america thinks the planet is their jurisdiction) ie they are their own state, and can make their own laws, so not even LEGALLY obliged to not pirate things.


Red hat, canical (sp) blender ,,in fact most linux application , are doing very nicely thanks ..I had to deal with the goal posts moving when I started out as a mechanic, the bike industry is now an entertainment /hobbiest market rather than family transport
*canonical
red hat is now non-free business platform. blender is awesome. so too google sketchup.
open source is the best thing to happen to PCs.


...Like a kindergarten put a picture of MM on their play room wall can and are sued.
marilyn manson? marilyn munroe? emu emu? myanmar? eminem?

whatumean?

[Berries]

no argument from me. I think he is getting fucked over and I wouldnt wat to go to the US if I were him.
Oh I don't know. It would make him look slimmer.

[pete376403]

... why does he not go prove he is right in the US courts, and embarrass the US Goverment and FBI there...
An example of the American "justice" system http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/345-justice/12243-court-confirms-ten-year-sentence-for-lynne-stewart

[oneofsix]

marilyn manson? marilyn munroe? emu emu? myanmar? eminem?

whatumean?

Thought the simple math MM + Copyright would have given it to you especially in relation to the good ole US of A. The reason the copyright coverage was extended so far past the creators death and the reason it is nicknamed the Micky Mouse law.

[mashman]

As mashman would say, maybe that is the answer :shifty: It is all changing, better or worse it will always be easy to illegally download music, big music has to accept that and learn to work with it. Make it easier to get it legally would be the obvious choice I would have thought...

That's mashman™©1970 to you sunny jim... you're lucky the dotcom case is falling apart or you'd be next :Police:

[Akzle]

Thought the simple math MM + Copyright would have given it to you especially in relation to the good ole US of A. The reason the copyright coverage was extended so far past the creators death and the reason it is nicknamed the Micky Mouse law.

first of heard of it. ta.

[scott411]

found this, which is the basis of the Charges in teh States, it talks about why the US chased them and did not treat them like a storage facility only, interesting reading, I think if this ever gets to court, (which will take forever anyway) it will be a long boring trail, but interesting to watch from afar,



In practice, the "vast majority" of users do not have any significant long term private storage capability. Continued storage is dependent upon regular downloads of the file occurring.

Files not downloaded are rapidly removed in most cases, whereas popular downloaded files are retained. (items 7 – 8)

Because only a small proportion of users pay for storage, the business is dependent upon advertising. Adverts are primarily viewed when files are downloaded and the business model is therefore not based upon storage but upon maximising downloads. (items 7 – 8)

Persons indicted have "instructed individual users how to locate links to infringing content on the Mega Sites ... [and] ... have also shared with each other comments from Mega Site users demonstrating that they have used or are attempting to use the Mega Sites to get infringing copies of copyrighted content." (item 13)

Persons indicted, unlike the public, are not reliant upon links to stored files, but can search the internal database directly. It is claimed they have "searched the internal database for their associates and themselves so that they may directly access copyright-infringing content". (item 14)

A comprehensive takedown method is in use to identify child pornography, but not deployed to remove infringing content. (item 24)

Infringing users did not have their accounts terminated, and the defendants "made no significant effort to identify users who were using the Mega Sites or services to infringe copyrights, to prevent the uploading of infringing copies of copyrighted materials, or to identify infringing copies of copyrighted works" (item 55–56)

An incentivising program was adopted encouraging the upload of "popular" files in return for payments to successful uploaders. (item 69e et al.)

Defendants explicitly discussed evasion and infringement issues, including an attempt to copy and upload the entire content of YouTube. (items 69i-l. YouTube: items 69 i,j,l,s)

[Swoop]

... why is it only Mega upload in this situation? Google, Youtube, Piratebay, Torrentz, Veetle etc, etc are disseminating the same media so surely should be in the same predicament.
I'm pondering another aspect. With the trendy "cloud" computing becoming more mainstream (some have been doing similar things for some time), perhaps there is an angle of "encouraging" people onto the big-few systems (apple, google, etc) by closing down Megaupload?
More big-business backroom deals?

When it all comes down to it, it is all about money and who is making it.

[george formby]

More big-business backroom deals?

When it all comes down to it, it is all about money and who is making it.

Pretty much my take on it, although scott411's post shows me how much I don't know. I just don't trust em, though.

[schrodingers cat]

Pah! The US legal system is easy to beat

Big Kim needs to get to get to the gym and get buffed.
Next step some surgery so he can fit in with the 'beautiful ones'
Take the time to achieve some great sporting record and win the adulation of the masses.
The lots o money to pay fancy lawyers and buy off politico's he already has.

The only thing he needs to concern himself with is having a totally random and unexpected accident on his way to chow on a big slice of justice

[Buyasta]

And the main head scratcher for me is why is it only Mega upload in this situation? Google, Youtube, Piratebay, Torrentz, Veetle etc, etc are disseminating the same media so surely should be in the same predicament.
It's all a bit off to me.
Another Neo Conservative conspiracy? The digital media version of Iraq.. An answer without a question.


I do believe Youtube has had it's day in court & won, could be wrong, though & I'm happy to be educated. I also recall that potentially Google came under fire but it fizzled out, again, unsure of my facts.
Anyhoo, the New World order marches on. Would you like fries with that?

As I explained this a couple of days ago in another thread, I'll just quote that post.


Youtube is actually involved in a case on pretty much the exact same grounds - making money off users pirating content. They were sued by Viacom back in 2007, won the case in 2010, but then had that win overturned in appeals court earlier this year, so Viacom can now go for a jury trial, although I don't think they've actually announced whether or not they're continuing the legal action or not.

As for why Megaupload, it's because they were a whole lot more dangerous to the media companies than any of their rivals. They were on the verge of launching a legal free music site called MegaBox, which was pretty much aimed at putting traditional record companies out of business and providing a new music publishing paradigm more in line with modern technology. Basically it works by giving music for free, with ads on the page, and 90% of the income goes straight to the artist, rather than the record companies taking the lions share, as is the case at the moment. Dotcom has actually just said a day or two ago that he still plans on launching this service, so they haven't managed to kill that potential competition off yet.

He'd also just seriously embarrassed the media companies, having released a song a month before featuring some big name artists like Kanye West, Alicia Keys, will.i.am, P Diddy, and Snoop Dogg, basically coming out in support of Megaupload. When you spend a good portion of your time decrying Megaupload for being a haven of piracy because it harms your artists, it's pretty embarrassing when some of your top talent then comes out in support of them. To make matters worse, some moron at UMG then illegally had the video taken down using a DMCA request, which turned the whole thing into even more of a shitstorm - being caught abusing the piece of legislation you've just spent years complaining doesn't offer you enough power to take down infringing content doesn't really help your cause any.
That wasn't the first case of media companies abusing the DMCA and illegally having content removed using bogus DMCA requests, but it was much higher profile than most other cases, and attracted a whole lot more attention on the issue.

[george formby]

Thank you. They showed a Megabox home page on the news but it ain't doing nothing on the web.... Megabox.net is yours for a mere $1000 US.

The plot thickens.

[avgas]

Blur have just released two new tracks on Twitter..
Nine Inch Nails have released whole albums on the internet.

[Berries]

Nine Inch Nails have released whole albums on the internet.
Yeah but they're shit.

[Usarka]

The judge has "stepped down".

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/7303444/Kim-Dotcom-extradition-judge-steps-down

[avgas]

Yeah but they're shit.
Tell that to Mr Cash.

[Coolz]

People have been pirateing music since the invention of the twin tapedeck sterios in the seventies... and what about dvd burners? I've never heard of Sony or any other manufacturer being taken to court.