Car or bike?

[G4L4XY]

Sold the Hyo so I have just over 4k but realistically I'll need a loan if I was to get a 600cc bike, I want one around the 10k mark, a few years old so pretty new looking.

Is this a smart option?


I'm debating with myself weather I should just get a decent kinda car but that means I'll have no money for a bike. Could get a piece of shit car which takes up probably half of my money. I dunno :(
*sigh* decisions decisions

[kx250]

just get a loan and buy a 600. i was in same position as you as ive just bought a 600 after i sold my car, i borrowed 4k from my olds but atleast now that ive got a bike i can payback my loan by end of year were as iam a really bad saver and if i was to buy a shit box i would just endup spending the rest. but thats just me, you may be good at saving just my 2c.

i get my bike delivered today too, shud be here in couple of hours its coming from chch.

also i find prices for bikes are not as expensive as its now winter.

[G4L4XY]

Sick! What did you buy in the end? Are you keeping your 250 as well?

[jim.cox]

Forget the car - it will be a money pit that keeps you poor

Get a bike - but make it one you can afford - try to find a cheaper one you like - avoid borrowing if you can, but...

Just my nzd$0.02

[kx250]

Sick! What did you buy in the end? Are you keeping your 250 as well?

i ended up with 05 zx6r, nah i sold my 250 about a year ago but i just sold my ute to buy the bike. I was originally planing to spend about 9-10k on a 600 but i found one for about 7k mark that had done a little bit more ks then others but has been really well maintained and looked after. i also plan on doing afew track days to build my confidence on the bike so i though im better off spending 7k then 10k as im sure somepoint in my life i will probly drop it seeing its my first big bike aswel, that way i wont be as gutted as if i was to drop my really shiny and expensive bike.

If you keen for a ride sometime let me know!!

keeping in mind this is a noobs advice.

[Swoop]

... weather I should just get a decent kinda car...

Yes, that will keep you drier.

[Ender EnZed]

There are plenty of good bikes out there for $4k. Unless you're more interested in posing than riding that is...

[G4L4XY]

i ended up with 05 zx6r, nah i sold my 250 about a year ago but i just sold my ute to buy the bike. I was originally planing to spend about 9-10k on a 600 but i found one for about 7k mark that had done a little bit more ks then others but has been really well maintained and looked after. i also plan on doing afew track days to build my confidence on the bike so i though im better off spending 7k then 10k as im sure somepoint in my life i will probly drop it seeing its my first big bike aswel, that way i wont be as gutted as if i was to drop my really shiny and expensive bike.

If you keen for a ride sometime let me know!!

keeping in mind this is a noobs advice.

I am pretty noob but im always keen on going for a ride, i got a mate on a ninja he's pretty mental on it, im a bit of a pussy but sounds like a bit of fun...will have to wait till i get a bike though...does make sense to get one around the 7k mark though

[G4L4XY]

There are plenty of good bikes out there for $4k. Unless you're more interested in posing than riding that is...

It's all about image :P If I can't ride for shit I may as well at least look good...

As well I had the Hyosung for two years it was my only form of transport, I took it out in stupidly windy conditions, pooring rain so if thats not riding then I don't know what is.

[SMOKEU]

Get a bike. I sold my cars to buy bikes and have no regrets.

[DrunkenMistake]

DO NOT
I will say this once more
DO NOT
Get a loan, you will quickly realise it was a poor choice, you will be happy with the fact you have the bike you want etc, but at the end of the day you have to pay up week in and week out, the amount you loaned plus the interest.

Just save up or get something within your price range.

And fuck the car, buy one, then burn it.

[steve_t]

One of my mates had a young girl working for him that bought a car on her credit card!! $20,000 for a shitty Honda Civic with a body kit (total value probably about $7000). The interest alone at 22.95% was mind-boggling. How she managed to get such a high limit on her card was criminal. How stupid she was to buy a retarded car this should also be criminal :mad:

[Fast Eddie]

It's all about image :P If I can't ride for shit I may as well at least look good...

oh dear... what about the chance that you will pull off neither.


As well I had the Hyosung for two years it was my only form of transport, I took it out in stupidly windy conditions, pooring rain so if thats not riding then I don't know what is.

hahahaha! thats just weather bro.. it does that, does that almost everywhere.

[DrunkenMistake]

hahahaha! thats just weather bro.. it does that, does that almost everywhere.

Only in the south does it ran and blow wind on a regular basis,
Auckland has a downpour and it makes the news. :lol::lol:

[Brett]

Agree...DO NOT BORROW! Unless you're on a high wage (in which case I would guess you would have more $$ saved). Buy something within your means, if you have to borrow..make sure it is an amount that you can pay off in a few months maximum. Financial advice over...

choosing an a bike vs a car will depend on your situation. I personally tried to do only bikes for a while and found it ruined my enjoyment of riding as I had to be smartly dressed for work and business meetings, had to carry around lots of paperwork, a laptop etc all of which was made more difficult on wet days. So...I put the GSXR back in the garage and bought a car as well. (Still used the bike on days I didn't have to worry about meeting clients etc.) Relying on a bike for transport also makes track days all the more frustrating as if you stack the bike, you're up shit creek.
When I was a student, I had my ZXR250 but to keep things cheap, I bought a little Daihatsu Mira for $750 which got me around on the days I couldn't use the bike. (I had a $20k car too...but that is another story, I didn't want to use it for fear of its running costs!)
If I had a $4k budget for a vehicle, I would stay on a DECENT 250cc (like a CBR250rr or a ZXR250 - buy one that is a good runner but a bit cosmetically rough) and a cheap to run car. People underestimate how much fun those 250's can be! You don't need a 600cc or a 1000cc to have a whole lotta fun. In fact, I think I had as much fun on y 250cc as I have on 600's and 1000's.

[Asher]

Why would you condsider buying another car when you already own one? Was it that logic that lead you to buying a Hyosung?

[F5 Dave]

Sounds like a case for a SV650. A cheap one shouldn't bleed you dry & quite fun whilst within your means.

[Road kill]

Riding a $4000 bike you own is a far nicer feeling than riding a $6000 your in hock to a finance company for.
Remember that $4000 bike is yours,the $6000 bike is sort of yours but it's really going to cost you between $7000-$8000,and next year it will be worth $4000.
Don't buy a car,leathers an helmets look really out of place in a car.

[onearmedbandit]

In fact, I think I had as much fun on y 250cc as I have on 600's and 1000's.

You're doing it wrong.

[SMOKEU]

If I had a $4k budget for a vehicle, I would stay on a DECENT 250cc (like a CBR250rr or a ZXR250 - buy one that is a good runner but a bit cosmetically rough) and a cheap to run car. People underestimate how much fun those 250's can be! You don't need a 600cc or a 1000cc to have a whole lotta fun. In fact, I think I had as much fun on y 250cc as I have on 600's and 1000's.

$4000 is nowhere near enough for a semi decent bike AND a semi decent car. For that budget the maintenance of such old, worn out vehicles is going to be a hell of a lot of money.

[whowhatwhere]

4k is heaps for a bike. Spend $3.5k and spend the other $500 changing all the fluids and any creature comforts you might want to add - like fuel.

[Ender EnZed]

There are a couple of ZX6s in Auckland that fit your budget.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-492412401.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-490765635.htm

They don't look as flash as a 3-5 year old one but they'd still go way faster than you.

[short-circuit]

Fuck the car, fuck the bike - get a pram :baby:

[G4L4XY]

oh dear... what about the chance that you will pull off neither.



hahahaha! thats just weather bro.. it does that, does that almost everywhere.

*sigh* your comments don't help aye, why even bother, don't you have better things to do, well obviously not

[Old Steve]

If you must borrow, then increase your mortgage - if you don't have a mortgage then check if your parents have one they can increase. There's probably 10 to 15% difference between the rates of a vehicle loan and a mortgage. And that adds up to a lot of interest you won't be repaying.

[G4L4XY]

If you must borrow, then increase your mortgage - if you don't have a mortgage then check if your parents have one they can increase. There's probably 10 to 15% difference between the rates of a vehicle loan and a mortgage. And that adds up to a lot of interest you won't be repaying.

Yeah I understand what you're saying, my parents don't have a mortgage, nor do I. Thanks for the advice, I will try to save a lil more and if need be just get a small loan which can be paid off over a few months.

[Brett]

$4000 is nowhere near enough for a semi decent bike AND a semi decent car. For that budget the maintenance of such old, worn out vehicles is going to be a hell of a lot of money.

Depends on the vehicles and ones ability to do the work themself.

[Brett]

You're doing it wrong.

I dunno..I miss those days screaming the ZXR through the gears and really using all it had. The only time I ever got close to that with a 600cc or 1000cc was at the track...(ok I lie...I had a few rides some time back now where we let the cat out of the bag, but shit it's dangerous on the road.) I am 100kg. I had to make that ZXR work for its money, and it sure did. hit second gear on a 600cc or definitely first on a litre bike and you've already blown past the ZXR's performance.

[Ender EnZed]

$4000 is nowhere near enough for a semi decent bike AND a semi decent car. For that budget the maintenance of such old, worn out vehicles is going to be a hell of a lot of money.

I've had car and bike combinations worth less than $4k without any mechanical knowledge or ability. Generally speaking though, if you can afford to run both then you can probably afford to save up a bit longer and have more money to start with.

[SMOKEU]

I've had car and bike combinations worth less than $4k without any mechanical knowledge or ability. Generally speaking though, if you can afford to run both then you can probably afford to save up a bit longer and have more money to start with.

I've had a few old cars and bikes and in my experience those old vehicles have cost a shitload of money to maintain. It's often cheaper in the end to spend more money and buy something more modern rather than keep chasing good money after bad by maintaining a vehicle which is well past its use by date.

[ducatilover]

I built my 600 for a lot less than your budget and that's faster than I need.
If I was in your shoes, I would buy 4k worth of bike, not borrow.

I'd be getting the tidiest 400cc bike I could, still a nice step up from a Hyo in terms of power and any CBR/ZXR 400 will run rings around a Hyowhale in the corners. Properly fun bikes, I'd take the 400cc toys over the 250s any day.
My 600 is hard to enjoy in terms of its power because you're doing stupid speeds by the time you hit the limiter in third, and that's with lower gearing. Then those speeds become... normal and you end up riding like a fuck knuckle.

Or at least I did :killingme

[Ender EnZed]

I've had a few old cars and bikes and in my experience those old vehicles have cost a shitload of money to maintain. It's often cheaper in the end to spend more money and buy something more modern rather than keep chasing good money after bad by maintaining a vehicle which is well past its use by date.

I've definitely had enough of buying vehicles from the '80s. When you realise it costs $6k+ per year to run a car and a bike (~10000km) without anything going wrong it makes no sense to try and save money by getting the cheapest road legal option on TradeMe.

[SMOKEU]

I'd be getting the tidiest 400cc bike I could, still a nice step up from a Hyo in terms of power and any CBR/ZXR 400 will run rings around a Hyowhale in the corners.

Keep in mind that most 400cc bikes are around 20 years old and are worn out from abuse and lack of maintenance, so they will need a fair bit of work to keep going well. It doesn't really matter if the OP has a good mechanical knowledge, plenty of time and the right tools though.

[ducatilover]

Keep in mind that most 400cc bikes are around 20 years old and are worn out from abuse and lack of maintenance, so they will need a fair bit of work to keep going well. It doesn't really matter if the OP has a good mechanical knowledge, plenty of time and the right tools though.

Not always. My CB400 had the smoothest engine I've ever felt and seamless power delivery, suspension was nice too and had Hagon rear shocks. The CBR motors are very strong a low maintenance engines, the VFRs are a bit pricier, but also excellent engines. ZXR400s are reasonably strong bikes too. And for 4k you'd find a far better 400 than you will a 600.

[SMOKEU]

Not always. My CB400 had the smoothest engine I've ever felt and seamless power delivery, suspension was nice too and had Hagon rear shocks. The CBR motors are very strong a low maintenance engines, the VFRs are a bit pricier, but also excellent engines. ZXR400s are reasonably strong bikes too. And for 4k you'd find a far better 400 than you will a 600.

True...I had a 1988 CBR250R which I thrashed the fuck out of for the 13,000km I owned it and the only thing that broke was the fuel pump, so I had a good run out of it. At the end of last year I picked up a 1998 GSXR600 for $4k with 60,000km on it and the previous owner showed me around $2k of receipts of money he just spent on it, so there are some good late '90s 600cc bikes for that price if you look around. I'd personally go for an SRAD or a late '90s CBR600 if it were me in that position.

A late '80s/early '90s CBR400RR would be a very good bike to get for that price since they're more or less bulletproof, although things like brake discs, fork seals etc may be an issue at WOF time.

[onearmedbandit]

Nothing wrong with a loan if you are aware of all the costs and can service it.

[ducatilover]

True...I had a 1988 CBR250R which I thrashed the fuck out of for the 13,000km I owned it and the only thing that broke was the fuel pump, so I had a good run out of it. At the end of last year I picked up a 1998 GSXR600 for $4k with 60,000km on it and the previous owner showed me around $2k of receipts of money he just spent on it, so there are some good late '90s 600cc bikes for that price if you look around. I'd personally go for an SRAD or a late '90s CBR600 if it were me in that position.

A late '80s/early '90s CBR400RR would be a very good bike to get for that price since they're more or less bulletproof, although things like brake discs, fork seals etc may be an issue at WOF time.

I raped my Spada for 130,000km :lol:
I'd pay $4k for an SRAD quite happily. But finding decent ones is hard. The CBR600 would be a great idea, not the sportiest but, after a Hyosung even a dead pig would go hard.

It's cheap to do seals and brakes on the CBR400s :2thumbsup

[Ender EnZed]

This (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-487948908.htm) looks pretty tidy, it's a lot newer than most of the other 400s too.

[ducatilover]

This (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-487948908.htm) looks pretty tidy, it's a lot newer than most of the other 400s too.

I love RFs, you could get an RF6 or 900 for that money though in good shape

[SMOKEU]

I raped my Spada for 130,000km :lol:
I'd pay $4k for an SRAD quite happily. But finding decent ones is hard. The CBR600 would be a great idea, not the sportiest but, after a Hyosung even a dead pig would go hard.

It's cheap to do seals and brakes on the CBR400s :2thumbsup

I was stoked when a few weeks after buying it I found out about some extras that the previous owner didn't tell me about such as Ohlins rear suspension, Yoshi jet kit, Yoshi triple clamp etc...the thing fucking drinks like an alcoholic though, 9L/100km around town and 8L/100km on the open road without thrashing it much. I don't really care though since it's so much fun. Just had nearly $1k spent on the front brakes just before I bought it, too. New discs and pads.

[Ender EnZed]

I love RFs, you could get an RF6 or 900 for that money though in good shape

Yeah, but if I'd only ever riden a Hyosung I'd have way more fun on an RF4 than an RF9.

[ducatilover]

I was stoked when a few weeks after buying it I found out about some extras that the previous owner didn't tell me about such as Ohlins rear suspension, Yoshi jet kit, Yoshi triple clamp etc...the thing fucking drinks like an alcoholic though, 9L/100km around town and 8L/100km on the open road without thrashing it much. I don't really care though since it's so much fun. Just had nearly $1k spent on the front brakes just before I bought it, too. New discs and pads. I could do disks and pads for $500 on your SRAD, 600 if I rebuilt the calipers, tops.
That is ridiculously hungry for a 600! Mine's doing 5.5L/100k at the moment (I must ride like a pussy) :weep:


Yeah, but if I'd only ever riden a Hyosung I'd have way more fun on an RF4 than an RF9.
Very good point. YOu could get a late model ZZR400 fro that coin, another very nice bike of that type. The RF is prettier though :msn-wink:

[SMOKEU]

That is ridiculously hungry for a 600! Mine's doing 5.5L/100k at the moment (I must ride like a pussy) :weep:


It doesn't get any better than 8L/100km, even when I did a slow ride from Ashburton to Christchurch which is a long, very boring (unless you ride like a lunatic) straight road. I stuck to around 100kmh almost the whole time, except when overtaking. It doesn't seem to drink any more when I thrash it, either, so I might as well ride it hard and get the most out of my money.

[mossy1200]

I think you have 3 options.

A-buy bike at 4k
B-save till 7k and buy private and use Public transport while saving
C-get bike from dealership on 9% interest at a rate you can afford at 8k+ low km and 2007 onwards

prefer order BCA

I dont think 4k bikes are the best value on our market. They seem to be 12year old plus medium kms.

[SMOKEU]

I dont think 4k bikes are the best value on our market. They seem to be 12year old plus medium kms.

+1 to that. $7k seems to get a nice, tidy 6-7 year old 600cc sports bike with a "good" mileage.

[DrunkenMistake]

+1 to that. $7k seems to get a nice, tidy 6-7 year old 600cc sports bike with a "good" mileage.

^^
Agreed
4k will get you a..
Well a Hyo. :niceone:

:lol::lol::lol:

[ducatilover]

On second thought, stop being a girl and buy a VTR or TL1000S. Can be had for 4-5k (VTRs can be found for much less)

[Flip]

One wee rule I have learnt is don't borrow money to buy a depreciable asset (like a modern car).

I would love to add up what I have saved over the last 35+ years only buying what I can afford. I would say I am a couple of hundred thousand dollars ahead these days.

[Renegade]

if you can service a loan comfortably then i dont see the problem, spend a month or two adding another grand or two to your pot, then go buy a new ER6n they are running out at $9995

great step up from 250cc, reliable, low servicing costs, 1yr wofs for the next 5yrs and frugal on the gas, you also wont lose to much when you consider the usage you can expect to get from the bike.

my .2c

[Flip]

If you can save a grand or two on this bike then you are a grand of two ahead for the next bike, then you will be two or four grand ahead. In ten years time you will have the cash for a new Ducatti or Harley, in thirty years time enough for a new Porshe.

Why would anybody buy a 7.5k bike, pay 10k over the next 2-3 years on a bike that is only worth 5k in 2-3 years? You end up with a 10k price tag for a 5k bike!

The fat cats in the finance companies love you guys!

[skippa1]

just borrow the money and buy what you want.If you buy a piece of crap, you will end up spending the equvilant of the loan payments on R&M anyway and at the end, you will still have a piece of crap.

[ducatilover]

You can easily get a good bike for $4k...

[Fast Eddie]

*sigh* your comments don't help aye, why even bother, don't you have better things to do, well obviously not

haha sigh..

of course not it's called killing time homie. Why would I or anyone care what you do with your money. Get a loan, get a ducati.. who cares..

[Fast Eddie]

Auckland has a downpour and it makes the news. :lol::lol:

guess won't be joining us for the brass.. riding through the snow might put em off

[Flip]

Don't eat the yellow snow!

[baffa]

$4-7k buys a lot of bike. I got my fireblade for $4,500, and granted, it looks a little old, but im looking to get a full respray shortly, even if I gve the motor and suspension a basic freshen up on top of that, I'd still have spent well under $10K for a mint set of wheels.

I will second what the others say though, 250s and 400s are plenty enough power to have a ball with.

[imdying]

If you can save a grand or two on this bike then you are a grand of two ahead for the next bike, then you will be two or four grand ahead. In ten years time you will have the cash for a new Ducatti or Harley, in thirty years time enough for a new Porshe.From a fiscal point of view, that makes great sense, no shadow of a doubt.

However, it assumes he'll be alive in 10 years time. Or that he's willing to forgo the pleasures the bike will undoubtedly bring. Or that he won't have an increase in wealth that makes it a moot point in any case. Or any one of a million things that could happen in that time.

Yes, finance companies make plenty of money loaning it out, and right fully so, the provide a service, nobody considering a reasonable finance contract can begrudge them that. Basically, for the extra money, he's buying time. Time on a bike that would otherwise not exist. Given time and experience are basically priceless, can you really put a price on that? Of course you can...!

My advice would be to consider your situation very carefully, and Flip's point of view very carefully also. You can't have it both ways, although you can be careful about how you shop around for your finance, maybe consider a broker finally to see if a better deal can be obtained. Once you figure out the true cost of the loan, and how much that adds to the purchase price, decide for yourself, that time and experience, is that extra a fair price for it?

[G4L4XY]

Ok looking at buying this...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=495367359

Anything I should consider asking or be checking for the initial inspection?

[SMOKEU]

Ok looking at buying this...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=495367359

Anything I should consider asking or be checking for the initial inspection?

If possible it would pay to take it to a good bike mechanic to give it a good look at before purchase. A Yamaha dealer would be the best, but failing that, it's unlikely that anything will go "bang" in the near future since they're a very well built bike and it's too new to be likely to cause any real mechanical dramas, assuming that it has been well maintained. If it's been neglected at any stage then you could be up for some very expensive repairs, however.

[skippa1]

Ok looking at buying this...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=495367359

Anything I should consider asking or be checking for the initial inspection?

ask him why he has all those keys on his key ring scratching up the top of the triple clamp???:(

[G4L4XY]

haha yeah i had the same issue on my hyo, eventually took all keys off and jsut had the one key in...too late for the head clamp though, all fucked up n shiz

[ducatilover]

haha yeah i had the same issue on my hyo, eventually took all keys off and jsut had the one key in...too late for the head clamp though, all fucked up n shiz
One of the reasons I went for an RFID unit on the 600, ignition barrels are big and fucking ugly too.

I'd be happy buying that R6, racetech internals, if they can afford them, they can afford to service it properly.

[SILVER SUZI]

If you buy that R6, the only things you need to check are you life insurance is fully paid up, and I'm the benificary of your will.
From a Hyo to an 08 R6, you are going to die my friend, they are mentally fast. On the upside I imagine it will corner like it's on rails compared to the Hyo.

But seriously, check the original colour scheme for that bike, the black tank was the thing I initially noticed. Would have thought it should be blue.
If the tank is not original then check carefully for signs it's been "down the road", caus the first thing that gets rooted when you crash an R6 is the tank(they stick out past everything else).

Nice bike! (but then I'm biased)

[G4L4XY]

Thanks! Yeah I checked google images, they're all blue :(

Hmmm, in the ad it doesn't mention it's been binned at all, i've just asked him why it's black so ill soon find out.

[ducatilover]

It looks to me like they wanted it to look that way, the plastic under/around the rear seat should be blue, I think it looks nice.

EDIT: don't get it, has an anodised oil filler cap, fucking gayness.

[imdying]

They're not that fast, just short shift at 8 instead of wailing on the throttle till the shift light flashes madly... you'd be fine.

At least you're upgrading from a shitter to a nice handling lightweight bike with good tyres and brakes... unlike the shitters we all ended up with that were way more powerful than our learner rides, but heavy with crap tyres and brakes.

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

ca ke - best of both worlds.

[Ender EnZed]

Ok looking at buying this...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=495367359


It seems like a weird selection of bits to have replaced if it started out either black or blue, but that's a god awful colour scheme if Yamaha sold it like that.


EDIT:


I've noticed the tank is black. I thought they should be blue by default. Has the bike been crashed or the tank just been painted? g4l4xy (132 ) 1:53 pm, Tue 31 Jul
Answer: Hasn't been crashed the previous owner had two r6's and mixed the fairings around for some reason 2:07 pm, Tue 31 Jul


I can't see why anyone in their right mind would "mix the fairings" and then sell the bike like that. Unless he binned the other one so couldn't change them back but it's still a strange story.

[G4L4XY]

After getting it checked out it turns out it had been crashed, the steering block things had been snapped off and half the fairing parts weren't there, bolts missing, big gouge? (cant spell for shit) in the exhaust lol
*sigh* really wanted it too

[imdying]

No stress, plenty more bikes where that came from. Better to find out that Kyle is a lying piece of shit now than later.

[Fast Eddie]

EDIT: don't get it, has an anodised oil filler cap, fucking gayness.

phew close call!


No stress, plenty more bikes where that came from. Better to find out that Kyle is a lying piece of shit now than later.

trademes getting tough I recon, such a hassle I can't seem to buy anything legit without seeing it first before handing money over. otherwise its always in worse cond than described. curse 'em. So I only buy local now with cash on pick up. its a shame, miss out on some cool looking sh*t (prob all f*cked anyway)

[G4L4XY]

Granted bikes do fall over and/or lowslide sometimes but if a bikes been down would you stay well away would it not make a difference.

I crashed my hyo not long before I sold it but was fully repaired by insurance so everything was new and straight etc.

[ducatilover]

If it's straight and the frame isn't cracked, who cares? The frame on my 600 had been in a fairly big smash, it was straight, so I used it.

[Fast Eddie]

crashed and ride my own bikes eh... but when u crash it urself at least u know what happened. blades been down 2 or 3 times now. she still looks all good and rides well. old bike too.

but i wouldnt be paying as much for a crash repair bike as i would for a mint from new..

[RuoskaNZ]

Only use credit as a FINAL option, if there is another option such as the olds use it and probably save 2-3k.
I did that earlier this year when I upgraded, they were a bit grudging but I explained the situation they thought they may as well.
Financing it may seem like a good idea at the time, but unless you have a decent 40hour week job etc. it is a bit of a chore.

[G4L4XY]

I shouldn't have sold the hyo so soon, being transportless or more importantly, BIKELESS!!! sucks

[SILVER SUZI]

Not all crashed bikes are bad. But if the guy trying to sell it is prepared to lie his ass off you might wonder what else is wrong with it?
Lucky escape.
Bit of a bugger having no bike at all, but if you wait something nice and shiney will come along.:drool:

[skippa1]

Not all crashed bikes are bad. But if the guy trying to sell it is prepared to lie his ass off you might wonder what else is wrong with it?
Lucky escape.
Bit of a bugger having no bike at all, but if you wait something nice and shiney will come along.:drool:

+1 on that. There are plenty of nice bikes that have been down before......but if they lie about it, there may be more hiding.

[Floppy disk]

In my opinion you need a car :wacko:. You can't do serious shopping, you can't carry the TV you newly bought, and you are stuck when the weather is really bad and your clothes are already wet from the previous ride. A car is a necessity unless you have one available on demand (dad's car, mom's car, wife's car, etc). :scratch:

[ducatilover]

In my opinion you need a car

:wacko:. You can't do serious shopping, you can't carry the TV you newly bought, and you are stuck when the weather is really bad and your clothes are already wet from the previous ride. A car is a necessity unless you have one available on demand (dad's car, mom's car, wife's car, etc). :scratch:
I've never had a real need for a car.
Just be selfish like myself (no better half, no kids etc) so shopping is a bag full
Wear proper gear, I don't get wet and I live in Eketahuna for goodness' sake!
Don't buy dumb shit you can't carry? I'd rather spend my money on bikes than a TV. ;)

I have it sorted :D (I've owned more cars than bikes by the way, it doesn't make sense)

[SMOKEU]

If you buy a sports bike then the fuel tank is usually big enough to carry stuff on. My fuel tank has carried a 10kg bag of chicken feed on it, and 2 large pizzas (not at the same time though). The glovebox is also big enough to fit a few ounces of "herbs", so I'm sorted.

If you buy a bike with at least a 2oz capacity glovebox then you'll have enough room to stash your phone and a few other bits and pieces when it rains.

[st00ji]

just get shit delivered.

or get a woman with a car