Telstra clear and water

[Brian d marge]

am I missing something here ? thing ARE going to get cheaper???

I might even open a TUI

Stephen

[Maha]

Word on the street is...''no one owns water''...
Things is...actually they do.
People buy water in bottles from shops.
Some parts of the country pay water rates.
So somebody is making money from water..;)

[Road kill]

Word on the street is...''on one owns water''...
Things is...actually they do.
People buy water in bottles from shops.
Some parts of the country pay water rates.
So somebody is making money from water..;)

Who is "on one" ?

Funny name for a Maori I'd a thought.

Smoku is still a shit head.:motu:

[Maha]

Who is "on one" ?

Funny name for a Maori I'd a thought.

Smoku is still a shit head.:motu:

:eek5:...well, theres Hone one....:killingme

[FJRider]

Hydro power companies pay for "Water rights" ... that means the "right" to use that water stored in the lakes behind the dams.

Now if I could only remember who they pay the money to ... :scratch:

[Scuba_Steve]

Word on the street is...''no one owns water''...
Things is...actually they do.
People buy water in bottles from shops.
Some parts of the country pay water rates.
So somebody is making money from water..;)

ownership & profiting from, are 2 completely different issues. Just ask your neighborhood thief.

[Brian d marge]

Hydro power companies pay for "Water rights" ... that means the "right" to use that water stored in the lakes behind the dams.

Now if I could only remember who they pay the money to ... :scratch:
well it WILL go to America ....Not NZ

stand back and watch those bills go through the roof ,,, no no sorry nice man on National told me it would be cheaper !

On a lighter note I emailed Jim Mora in the afternoon , I often do , Asked about the IMF and the water ,( Which has been clearly stated AND done before in Bolivia .......)

Just raise the issue I said , so he replies , claiming ignorance, Then ignores the issue , So I point him in the direction of some noteable NZ ( Jane Kelsey ) ..oh I understand now ...says he

well go on raise the issue , this isnt a Maori party , National party thing says I ,,,,....... nope still an inter party issue as was his program ....

I think , someone has been "told "

( I mean even if I am completely wrong , WHY are there so many "noteable " people /groups saying the same thing , on his program THAT day there was a feature about people dropping out FOR the same reasons I said )

No balls

Stephen

[5150]

Word on the street is...''no one owns water''...
Things is...actually they do.
People buy water in bottles from shops.
Some parts of the country pay water rates.
So somebody is making money from water..;)

I was thinking about that my self. if no one owns water, then what is stopping me from going to my local shop and drink the bottled water without paying for it? As long as I drank it there and left the bottle, then technically I have not stolen anything as the water is not owned by anyone so I can not be prosecuted for stealing something that bellongs to all of us

Weird......:crazy:

[Asher]

I was thinking about that my self. if no one owns water, then what is stopping me from going to my local shop and drink the bottled water without paying for it? As long as I drank it there and left the bottle, then technically I have not stolen anything as the water is not owned by anyone so I can not be prosecuted for stealing something that bellongs to all of us

Weird......:crazy:

Technically you are paying for the filtering. bottling and transportation. You have to be stupid to buy bottled water in NZ anyway but thats another topic.

No one in NZ pays for water, they pay for all the associated costs of being supplied that water.

[5150]

Technically you are paying for the filtering. bottling and transportation. You have to be stupid to buy bottled water in NZ anyway but thats another topic.

No one in NZ pays for water, they pay for all the associated costs of being supplied that water.

That makes sense

[onearmedbandit]

You have to be stupid to buy bottled water in NZ anyway but thats another topic.


Well derrr paint me stoopid then. Many a time when I've been away from a tap and been thirsty and bought bottled water.

[Bald Eagle]

Technically you are paying for the filtering. bottling and transportation. You have to be stupid to buy bottled water in NZ anyway but thats another topic.

No one in NZ pays for water, they pay for all the associated costs of being supplied that water.


just like you pay your ISP for the bottling and delivering of your data, still stupid though.

[george formby]

Ha! We are talking to Vodafone at the moment about broadband & phone lines for 3 properties / businesses. I'm very interested to see what they come up with.

[Brian d marge]

Well derrr paint me stoopid then. Many a time when I've been away from a tap and been thirsty and bought bottled water.

u are paying for the convienience , and with tap water the maintanace ,,,, but under a new owner ,,,well we have seen what happens with the railways etc

Telstra clear... bought up by Vodaphone , and there wont be any price fixing

More TUI

Stephen

[Fast Eddie]

i had a storeage unit, storing an old car for a while and sometimes when I went in there, there was this guy with a unit full of couple dozen office water cooler bottles, filling em up with the garden hose.

said he made a neat little pay packet charging them for the water :D hehe

[Scuba_Steve]

Telstra clear... bought up by Vodaphone


Fuck! looks like I'm up for a new ISP soon then

[oneofsix]

Fuck! looks like I'm up for a new ISP soon then
You just got a new ISP, name is the same but the ISP is now different.

[onearmedbandit]

u are paying for the convienience ,

Stephen

Exactly. I don't mind paying for convenience, in fact I think it's one of the best uses for my money.

[Oscar]

well it WILL go to America ....Not NZ

stand back and watch those bills go through the roof ,,, no no sorry nice man on National told me it would be cheaper !

On a lighter note I emailed Jim Mora in the afternoon , I often do , Asked about the IMF and the water ,( Which has been clearly stated AND done before in Bolivia .......)

Just raise the issue I said , so he replies , claiming ignorance, Then ignores the issue , So I point him in the direction of some noteable NZ ( Jane Kelsey ) ..oh I understand now ...says he

well go on raise the issue , this isnt a Maori party , National party thing says I ,,,,....... nope still an inter party issue as was his program ....

I think , someone has been "told "

( I mean even if I am completely wrong , WHY are there so many "noteable " people /groups saying the same thing , on his program THAT day there was a feature about people dropping out FOR the same reasons I said )

No balls

Stephen

If your e-mail to Jim Mora was anything like your average post here (full of innuendo & conspiracy, light on facts, no references and/or proof of content, with shocking punctuation and bad grammar), I can’t imagine why he ignored it…

[Scuba_Steve]

You just got a new ISP, name is the same but the ISP is now different.

not yet they're gotta get approval from the commission 1st. But once that happens & they become one I'm gonna be on the lookout for a new ISP. I'd rather stay as far away from those useless muppets known as Vodafone as possible.

[Scuba_Steve]

Exactly. I don't mind paying for convenience, in fact I think it's one of the best uses for my money.

you only ever have to pay for 2 things in life... Convenience & Stupidity.
So yes connivence is the best use of anyones money

[SPman]

The understanding, when any arm of the NZ government wants to use a resource for a public purpose, is, that in the first instance, the owner of the resource will be negotiated with for that access, use, or ownership right and failing an agreement, it may be taken by the government agency under statute - and then shall be returned to the owner if it is no longer used for a public purpose. This is the core concept enshrined in the Public Works Act 1981 and its antecedents and other legislation dealing with expropriation by the State.

Q. So what happens when the original public purpose that justified the expropriation becomes a private purpose?
A. It reverts to the former owner.

It would follow that to the extent that the resource is being privatised then to that extent it should be returned to the former owners.

The government itself treats water as a commodity to be controlled, appropriated, bought and sold - they are property rights.

From the ideological mantra of 'there is no free lunch' and 'no-one owes us a living' comes "water is free"!?

Interesting how the Nats suddenly start espousing anarcho-socialism when Maori property rights are involved!


Yes John Key says, when it suits his purpose - No one owns the water! Bullshit - you can't have it both ways- if it's good enough for the government to take control of Canterbury's water for the purposes of handing out water rights to their farming mates, they haven't got a leg to stand on, without, once again, appearing to be the 2 faced hypocrites they are!

[Brian d marge]

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If your e-mail to Jim Mora was anything like your average post here (full of innuendo & conspiracy, light on facts, no references and/or proof of content, with shocking punctuation and bad grammar), I can’t imagine why he ignored it…

yours wouldn't even get a look in then ........

..no proof ...I'm ALWAYS giving you proof ...you never do , so thats rich.

As for grammar, this isnt the place , this is a new medium and a place where I can talk ( freely ) using natural speech through the written word ( its a new concept , just like the printing press was when you were a lad , and spelling and Grammar started to be formalized, not that you would know why we use such rules , just following them is enough )

, oh and by the way , he never ignored the email, just wont raise the subject

So , your water bill wont go up? you Telephone lines wont be one of the most expensive , least usable in the western world ?

your electricity prices wont go up ? , the police are not being run as a private business ... Acc is cheap at half the price , oh don't forget to pay your student loan off

and Mr key is doing his best for us and the Olympics is still an amateur sporting event .......

Stephen

I know its hard , but unfortunately time have changed , I know you don't like it , but there you go ........( men can even fly , in the sky , I know I couldn't believe it myself … its true)

[Oscar]

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yours wouldn't even get a look in then ........

..no proof ...I'm ALWAYS giving you proof ...you never do , so thats rich.

As for grammar, this isnt the place , this is a new medium and a place where I can talk ( freely ) using natural speech through the written word ( its a new concept , just like the printing press was when you were a lad , and spelling and Grammar started to be formalized, not that you would know why we use such rules , just following them is enough )

, oh and by the way , he never ignored the email, just wont raise the subject

So , your water bill wont go up? you Telephone lines wont be one of the most expensive , least usable in the western world ?

your electricity prices wont go up ? , the police are not being run as a private business ... Acc is cheap at half the price , oh don't forget to pay your student loan off

and Mr key is doing his best for us and the Olympics is still an amateur sporting event .......

Stephen

I know its hard , but unfortunately time have changed , I know you don't like it , but there you go ........( men can even fly , in the sky , I know I couldn't believe it myself … its true)

In a word - bullshit.
Just because you make some sort of reference to the IMF and Bolvia doesn't make it a fact - let's see your source.

As for "new medium" - gibberish is gibberish in any medium.

[Brian d marge]

In a word - bullshit.
Just because you make some sort of reference to the IMF and Bolivia doesn't make it a fact - let's see your source.

As for "new medium" - gibberish is gibberish in any medium.

again I have provided , more than enough , try Google for yourself ( selfish and bad mannered is one who doesn’t give to a conversation )

hint try trying Bolivia Imf , just a long shot .....

Gibberish is only gibberish if you the reader cant make sense of it ....others may ( then it ceases to be gibberish )

or try the time honoured kiwi put down , your an idiot ( usually because the speaker doesn’t understand ...) its an oldie but a goodie , save a lot of typing

Nice try , I know you feel scared with all these changes , don’t we all , but the world is changing ...sorry not my doing

Stephen

[Oscar]

again I have provided , more than enough , try Google for yourself ( selfish and bad mannered is one who doesn’t give to a conversation )

hint try trying Bolivia Imf , just a long shot .....

Gibberish is only gibberish if you the reader cant make sense of it ....others may ( then it ceases to be gibberish )

or try the time honoured kiwi put down , your an idiot ( usually because the speaker doesn’t understand ...) its an oldie but a goodie , save a lot of typing

Nice try , I know you feel scared with all these changes , don’t we all , but the world is changing ...sorry not my doing

Stephen

More gibberish.
Post your argument or dribble on some more, I don't really care.

[Brian d marge]

More gibberish.
Post your argument or dribble on some more, I don't really care.

you know Im right ,,,,but you could have stood your ground a bit more

Stephen

but on a serious note , I may be completley wrong ...bouncing off the walls nutty ...but there is too much evidence , "smoke" , ,as in smoke without fire ...... if I have at least got you to question , im more than happy , if not Im sad

[Usarka]

Stephen you're not saying that our ex-head of foreign exchange at merryl lynch prime minister is sympathetic with the movers and shakers in the international monetary cricles are you?

[Oscar]

you know Im right ,,,,but you could have stood your ground a bit more

Stephen

but on a serious note , I may be completley wrong ...bouncing off the walls nutty ...but there is too much evidence , "smoke" , ,as in smoke without fire ...... if I have at least got you to question , im more than happy , if not Im sad

On a serious note - if you simply post a comment linking the sale of Mighty River Power with the IMF and Bolivian Water and don't bother with a source or a skerrick of proof...what is there to be right about? Mashman makes more sense.

[Brian d marge]

On a serious note - if you simply post a comment linking the sale of Mighty River Power with the IMF and Bolivian Water and don't bother with a source or a skerrick of proof...what is there to be right about? Mashman makes more sense.

I was hoping yoou would reply , so you didnt open a new tab , and type in imf , bolivia ,,,, because the second hit you would have got is a report by the new york times

If you dont regulate sometimes you WILL get people cutting corners and an unhealthy society

Keep typing my friend , your just highlighting my point

Stephen

[oneofsix]

I was hoping yoou would reply , so you didnt open a new tab , and type in imf , bolivia ,,,, because the second hit you would have got is a report by the new york times

If you dont regulate sometimes you WILL get people cutting corners and an unhealthy society

Keep typing my friend , your just highlighting my point

Stephen

But in NZ no one owns the water, the PM said so so we must be safe to at least collect the rain water, right? Oh no that's right, you have to own the rights to the water before you can use it, darn.

:corn:

[Brian d marge]

Donna will help us

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Stephen

[Brian d marge]

But in NZ no one owns the water, the PM said so so we must be safe to at least collect the rain water, right? Oh no that's right, you have to own the rights to the water before you can use it, darn.

:corn:

yup ..and its protected

Stephen

[Oscar]

I was hoping yoou would reply , so you didnt open a new tab , and type in imf , bolivia ,,,, because the second hit you would have got is a report by the new york times

If you dont regulate sometimes you WILL get people cutting corners and an unhealthy society

Keep typing my friend , your just highlighting my point

Stephen

I'm quite aware of the situation in Bolivia.
However what it has to do with Mighty River Power is still a figment of your imagination.
You're grammar is improving though (almost to a point where it's not interfering with your message).

[Brian d marge]

I'm quite aware of the situation in Bolivia.
However what it has to do with Mighty River Power is still a figment of your imagination.
You're grammar is improving though (almost to a point where it's not interfering with your message).
Thank you , just wait and see all will become clear , I HOPE i dont get to say I told you so ,

Stephen

[oneofsix]

Thank you , just wait and see all will become clear , I HOPE i dont get to say I told you so ,

Stephen

Told him what? He will have forgotten and of course its right to pay some big company for the water, right? As long as they get their gramma correct.

[Oscar]

Told him what? He will have forgotten and of course its right to pay some big company for the water, right? As long as they get their gramma correct.

I don't pay anyone for water.
BTW - spelling "grammar" incorrectly makes you look pretty stupid...

[Brian d marge]

I don't pay anyone for water.
BTW - spelling "grammar" incorrectly makes you look pretty stupid...

You might be in time to march in protest againt asset sales

Stephen

[mashman]

Govt body looking at market for all water (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/14232091/govt-body-looking-at-market-for-all-water/#)

"And is one of the ways you could do that allowing them to buy and sell, not the water itself if you like, but the right."

"We've been going since 2008 in building that process where we're all sitting at the table, to share each other's aspirations in relation to water, but also to have the hard discussions<"...

My aspirations for water are for private (or part private for that matter) businesses to leave it the fuck alone and I'd like us to save some so that people don't have to suffer hose pipe bans. You don't own it, but you have rights to it. What's the difference if the transfer of money is concerned?

[puddytat]

John Key is going to say he's not going to capatalise water becuse its all tied in with the TransPacificPartnership steal...sorry deal.
When thats sorted it'll all come out in the wash & 10 years after sale when there is no discernable kiwi shares of any consequence left if "we" try to control or use it for "us" then the international lawyers will have our guts for garters.
I want a black beret....

[mashman]

John Key is going to say he's not going to capatalise water becuse its all tied in with the TransPacificPartnership steal...sorry deal.
When thats sorted it'll all come out in the wash & 10 years after sale when there is no discernable kiwi shares of any consequence left if "we" try to control or use it for "us" then the international lawyers will have our guts for garters.
I want a black beret....

The TPP, what's that all about then? Isn't that just another free trade deal? Wonder why we don't hear much about it on the news. Is it because it's boring and doesn't really affect anyone? What's with the international lawyers thing? Surely you don't mean that international law will prevent our govt from being able to protect its people from foreign corporate interest? Nahhhhh, it'll never happen.

[puddytat]

The TPP, what's that all about then? Isn't that just another free trade deal? Wonder why we don't hear much about it on the news. Is it because it's boring and doesn't really affect anyone? What's with the international lawyers thing? Surely you don't mean that international law will prevent our govt from being able to protect its people from foreign corporate interest? Nahhhhh, it'll never happen.

I realise mashy that you say that with tongue in cheek, but for those that dont know the TPP is secret trade negotiations that wont be revealed until 4 years after the "deals" are done.....
Like other WTO negotiations it will allow Companies to sue for loss of income if the state or councils deem it not to be a good idea....
Or, if they say we'll just let in one corporation or an industry into an area then you have created a precednt & that if another outfit is denied then they have international trade agreement laws to use against our poor broken arses .
Also with John fiddling with the RMA, say for example Shell or Oceania decided to to frack or prospect in sensitive areas, then no longer will we have the might of the Govt. lawyers & beauracracy to challengre them....it'll be left to your local councils to do that. Fat chance they'll have fighting a multi billion dollar company that makes more per year than that council . In that councils domain with the only direct tax benefit will be from Joe Averages income tax/Gst contibution,whilst the overseas company pays 4/5ths of fuck all as its registered overseas.....
Then they'll fuck off when its all gone & leave us to clean up the mess.
Which'll add another several % to my rates...

[mashman]

I realise mashy that you say that with tongue in cheek, but for those that dont know the TPP is secret trade negotiations that wont be revealed until 4 years after the "deals" are done.....
Like other WTO negotiations it will allow Companies to sue for loss of income if the state or councils deem it not to be a good idea....
Or, if they say we'll just let in one corporation or an industry into an area then you have created a precednt & that if another outfit is denied then they have international trade agreement laws to use against our poor broken arses .
Also with John fiddling with the RMA, say for example Shell or Oceania decided to to frack or prospect in sensitive areas, then no longer will we have the might of the Govt. lawyers & beauracracy to challengre them....it'll be left to your local councils to do that. Fat chance they'll have fighting a multi billion dollar company that makes more per year than that council . In that councils domain with the only direct tax benefit will be from Joe Averages income tax/Gst contibution,whilst the overseas company pays 4/5ths of fuck all as its registered overseas.....
Then they'll fuck off when its all gone & leave us to clean up the mess.
Which'll add another several % to my rates...

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. Why would anyone do anything like that to their own country? You make it sound like we'd be powerless to defend ourselves against the wishes of overseas entities. Perhaps it is because they believe in a world without borders? Surely that's a good thing? Much easier to manage the global budget and resources i.e. collaboration (tui), from a central position? Would that make JK the final PM of NZ :shifty:?

[puddytat]

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. Why would anyone do anything like that to their own country? You make it sound like we'd be powerless to defend ourselves against the wishes of overseas entities. Perhaps it is because they believe in a world without borders? Surely that's a good thing? Much easier to manage the global budget and resources i.e. collaboration (tui), from a central position? Would that make JK the final PM of NZ :shifty:?

I doubt it mate....

Its not a theory bro, its a fact.These are international agreements backed by international laws.Thats why at every WTO meeting you get thousands protesting.
I agreee with you though on a world without borders &/or a World Govt. Most of our problems dont recognise borders.
But would we be willing to let in bulk immigrants/refugees...cant see the right liking that idea.Though often its the immigrants who know what its like to really struggle who make better more conscentious employees than your typical drug fucked /chip on thier shoulder kiwi who doesnt no how fucking lucky we are mate.
The problem with a world Govt is that it'll be like the U.N where seemingly a group of 5or 6 countries have more "right"s than the rest & can veto & thus make any initiative a no goer....especially when its all about business all the time.

[Usarka]

I suspect he's being sarcy. Sadly most people don't believe our govt would do this to us.

You could argue that proves we're dumb enough to deserve it.

[mashman]

I doubt it mate....

Its not a theory bro, its a fact.These are international agreements backed by international laws.Thats why at every WTO meeting you get thousands protesting.
I agreee with you though on a world without borders &/or a World Govt. Most of our problems dont recognise borders.
But would we be willing to let in bulk immigrants/refugees...cant see the right liking that idea.Though often its the immigrants who know what its like to really struggle who make better more conscentious employees than your typical drug fucked /chip on thier shoulder kiwi who doesnt no how fucking lucky we are mate.
The problem with a world Govt is that it'll be like the U.N where seemingly a group of 5or 6 countries have more "right"s than the rest & can veto & thus make any initiative a no goer....especially when its all about business all the time.

But you don't have any physical proof as to their intentions, so it must be conspiracy.

So the professional protesters and conspirators turn up to protest because they're jealous that they don't have the money that these people have well and truly earned. They're not economists and likely have absolutely no idea how the world really works, so why would they be listened to as a voice of concern? Bloody lefty greeny hippy tree hugging socialist bludging fags.
So if it's a good thing, where's the problem with us negotiating the TPP if it's in the best interest of everyone? Surely you wouldn't go as far as to say that the TPP is being put into place so that govts couldn't legally rescind the private shareholding of public assets and the access rights that come with it?
I would have thought the right would positively love the idea as immigrants who have suffered on $1 per day for decades would be willing to work for less than native NZers? Having the effect of allowing business in NZ to be more competitive with their global counterparts? Surely that's good for the NZ economy? so it's only the drug fucked that have a chip on their shoulder and a bad attitude?
Wouldn't that go against the theory of a truly democratic process? I mean surely it's one country one vote and the majority wins? Isn't that what the UN country's stands for, stand by and promote as a requirement in every country?


I suspect he's being sarcy. Sadly most people don't believe our govt would do this to us.

You could argue that proves we're dumb enough to deserve it.

I'm banking that he picked that a post or two ago... just playing :devil2: until those seeking concrete proof arrive.

I guarantee that there are those who think that very thing.

[Brian d marge]

John Key is going to say he's not going to capatalise water becuse its all tied in with the TransPacificPartnership steal...sorry deal.
When thats sorted it'll all come out in the wash & 10 years after sale when there is no discernable kiwi shares of any consequence left if "we" try to control or use it for "us" then the international lawyers will have our guts for garters.
I want a black beret....

I was selling sandals a while back , one thing if we have free trade , why not free movement of labour ? oh I just cant imagine why

Stephen

[scumdog]

I don't pay anyone for water.
BTW - spelling "grammar" incorrectly makes you look pretty stupid...

Maybe he was taking about his grandmother??:wacko:

[Brian d marge]

here u go , ok a bit sensationalist , but basically true , its happening in canterbury ( if they let the coca cola plant be built )


http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-world-without-water/

Stephen

NOW , we waste a lot of water with mono cultures ( single crops ) and we dont recycle waste water ( I pay each month for my water here in Japan, and have just built a new house , I failed to used a waste water system , I just didnt think ,,,water is affordable for me at the moment

Stephen

[mashman]

here u go , ok a bit sensationalist , but basically true , its happening in canterbury ( if they let the coca cola plant be built )


http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-world-without-water/

Stephen

NOW , we waste a lot of water with mono cultures ( single crops ) and we dont recycle waste water ( I pay each month for my water here in Japan, and have just built a new house , I failed to used a waste water system , I just didnt think ,,,water is affordable for me at the moment

Stephen

Will give that a watch tomorrow... but it's ok, that nice Mr Key has provided a $400 million water fund project for irrigation (http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/7169274/TrustPower-plans-to-sell-water-to-CPW). Oh dear, that was the wrong document :shifty:... that nice Mr Key has provided a $400 million water fund project for irrigation (http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/4981213/CPW-hails-Govt-plan-for-435m-water-fund)... there's plenty of water, enough to be able to channel it to where it's needed most. Wonder how much a desalination plant would cost... naaaaah, those things would be fuckin useless given Canterbury's location and why the hell would you want to tap into a persistent and plentiful year round source of newly converted fresh water when there's plenty of the stuff flowing off the hills when it rains :blink:. Technology is so fucking useless.

I'm still waiting for some smart arse to figure out how to keep hot water at the nozzle of the hot water tap. I get fed up with hearing the water running until the hot water comes through.

[puddytat]

And the nice Mr English bailed out the very farmers that'll profit the most out of it with the loan guarantee thing to the tune of 1.7 bill....who promptly went out & borrowed more.:banana::killingme
Connor was in on it too.
Its who you know eh....John Keys next job I bet will be with the world bank or IMF.

[Brian d marge]

I'm still waiting for some smart arse to figure out how to keep hot water at the nozzle of the hot water tap. I get fed up with hearing the water running until the hot water comes through.

Install the system system we have , nice young lady tells when me bath is full and play some light classical music , then the water is filtered and reused and kept hot , untill u switch it off , then is used by the washing machine , the weird part is there are no taps just one green button

must cost a fortune in electricity ,,,,,

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Its who you know eh....John Keys next job I bet will be with the world bank or IMF.

i reckon , how many from NZ already have ,

Stephen